I thought this was an animation festival? Not some podium for showcasing your homosexual tendencies? Why is this even worthy of a post in it’s official page?

don't you see the french at the bottom?

>>7604050
Most French people aren’t like that. It’s some bullshit perpetuated by the Anglosphere since France was their number 1 rival throughout history.

>>7604050
He is a German national but he seems to be half Indian since Raman is a Hindu name. His surname is a dead giveaway too. He looks very white as well.

>>7604047 (OP)
>want to be a 2d animator but
>while the japanese animation industry is pretty good they don’t pay you well and the language is a very strict barrier for communication. The work culture is also bad
>while in the west you will be paid more but the works they put out are literal trash and you are expected to work with severely mentally ill individuals like in OP’s pic
What do?

>>7604079
Make an animation and upload it to youtube. If people like it, they'll watch it, if not, they won't.
Honestly, this is how all pilots for television shows should be done, not hinging on the decisions of out of touch money bag Losers.

>>7604090
It doesn’t work that way because the algorithm will sabotage you unless you are uploading videos on a regular basis but good animation takes time.

>>7604090
yt animations are always ether garbage or dead on arrival, there's no way around manpower in animation

>>7604093
>the algorithm will sabotage you
Somewhat true, for sure. However, there's plenty examples of things being successful without pandering to the algorithm, so I don't see that as a reason to completely dismiss uploading to a pilot to youtube.
Alternatively, you can just have that be one distribution method, and then go through more traditional outlets as well.

>>7604094
I see successful youtube animation that I quite enjoy all the time - speaking of the algorithm, perhaps you're just being suggested pure shit?

>>7604105
You can only become somewhat successful on Youtube if you had a large enough following on some other platform to begin with though. It’s impossible to generate a fanbase with just animation on YT.

>>7604090
And then what? Youtube rates are adjusted for constant output, as an animator your 20 minute animation that took months is on equal footing with a 20 minute asmr video or nostalgia baiting video game essay that gets pumped out in a couple of days, meaning you need tens more times viewers and that's assuming you don't need to pay voice actors. That's okay if you're a thirdie, but untenable for westerners.
Partridge has a million subs and still can't get starbarian of the ground after 15 fucking years when he gets 150k views within a day of releasing his tiny animations that still take ungodly amounts of time.

>>7604090
>Make an animation and upload it to youtube
Can you make a living from this?

>>7604167
you can in myanmar

>>7604111
>>7604167
The point isn't to get money from producing the animation, it's to use it to show off your skills to many people. That demonstration of value will mean that some would undoubtedly prefer you continue to make more instead of starving or working a wagie job.

If you're good enough it will balance out to be a better life.

>>7604259
You have to be 18 to post here.

>>7604584
>tfw I have been using 4chan for almost that many years

>>7604665
So where's your successful youtube animation channel?

>>7604713
>ad hominem
>the domain of midwits who avoid attempting to refute the actual point
Independent animators get paid the same way any other artist does.

By people who want them to keep making art.

Deny this at your own angst-ridden peril, for doing so will drive your potential fans and clients away.

>>7604745
That's not what ad hominem means, ESL-kun

>>7604769
>ad hominem: 1. Attacking a person's character or motivations rather than a position or argument.
nta

>>7604775
>nta
You are him.
>Attacking a person's character or motivations
Now explain how asking the person handing out advice on being a successful animator about his success in animation is attacking his character or motivation, ESL-kun

>>7604047 (OP)
Chuddies be like
>Oh my Trump, is that a gender non-conforming transfemme heterosexual??? Grr, I'm going to post this on /ic/ - Artwork/Critique!!!!

>>7604780
1st: I'm not an ESL.
2nd: That other anon really isn't me, picrel
3rd: You are ngmi if you think only people who already made it can give good advice, and/or blindly trust the advice of people who already made it. Many are terrible teachers, many give out bad advice out on purpose to filter the competition.
4th: You still have yet to refute the point. This isn't about a nebulously-defined "succes", this is about the mechanistic action of obtaining money as a result of making animations.

Other anons (rightfully) noticed that the income from video-based ads is too small to matter for anyone who isn't a thirdie.
The answer is, like every artist nowadays, that you monetize YOURSELF, not your videos. Your videos are an expression of your ability to create, the value in the fact that you can, do, and will continue to create them.

>>7604090
>>7604259
/ic/ has a way of bringing out new levels of retardedness I could've never fathomed

I truly pity you

>>7604053
honestly anon, from someone who lives in it the french art industry is quite faggy, especially animation and bande dessinée, whether in the themes or the students and workers. It doesn't mean it always produces shit tho, I'd say the gobelins is probably the best animation school in europe

>>7605076
gobelins has an AI course now so, nah

>>7605078
MIT has a degree course on theater arts, doesn't mean its engineering dept is bad

>>7604745
>>7604775
that's not an ad hominem, retard
imagine a homosexual giving you advice on sex with women
>billy, you're gay
not an ad hominem
>shut up, jew
ad hominem

>>7605082
No, some indian with a degree in fish market being able to replace MIT engineers means their engineering department is bad

>>7605082
that's not really an applicable analogy, theater arts isn't threatening thousands of engineering jobs, nor has there been an industry-wide decrying of the concept of it.

>>7605177
correct
>>7605231
also correct, it was hyperbolic. the point is that the existence of a retarded course under the same roof doesn't actually say anything about the quality of the one we're talking about. judge the animation course on its own merits, not in association with other courses at the school

>>7604109
>It’s impossible to generate a fanbase with just animation on YT.
Again, I see animators who are successful on youtube, and are really only on youtube, so I can't agree with you there buddy.

>>7604111
I stated in my initial comment that it was about using it to pitch your series. I'll be honest, making a decent animated series AND making a living would be difficult - it can be, and is, done by many different artists, but they're making compromises through their production in some manner (at the very least in length).

However, if your pilot animation is somewhat successful on youtube, the doors that would normally only be open to people with connections or who are already on the inside will be open for you as well, AND you have evidence of how successful your series can be if shown on the right platform (since youtube is oversaturated, it'd be likely be more successful on most other places especially with marketing). If it's already doing very well, you barely need to justify anything.
Of course, while I said this bypasses the suits, I should have said it only waters down their shitty opinions - there are still amazing and successful pilots that were pitched and weren't picked up because of the lack of taste dickheads in these places (Becky Prim anyone?).
This said, I think putting your pilot on youtube is still important, especially now, when media producers seem more skittish and unadventurous than ever, and only playing safe bets - success on youtube can show that you are a safe bet.

>Partridge
I'm not sure if he's ever pitched star barbarians? In a way, it's his own fault for sticking to only one idea, that's been rejected, rather than developing new ones. Though I'll also say Star Barbarians is great, and producers have no taste, but that'd be redundant at this point.

>>7604907
Second post isn't me, and I don't think you understood what I was advising anyway.

>>7605355
>it's his own fault for sticking to only one idea
If you test an idea by animating it and putting it on youtube, proving it's a successful, popular idea, and STILL need to come up with a different idea that some suit will approve instead, your initial premise of the audience vetting animation instead of "hinging on the decisions of out of touch money bag Losers" holds no water in the first place.
There's a difference between SOME projects getting off the ground a certain way and that being a worthwhile endeavor in general. Basically this is firm handshake tier advise

>>7605430
>your initial premise of the audience vetting animation instead of "hinging on the decisions of out of touch money bag Losers" holds no water in the first place.
Already addressed that;
>Of course, while I said this bypasses the suits, I should have said it only waters down their shitty opinions - there are still amazing and successful pilots that were pitched and weren't picked up because of the lack of taste dickheads in these places (Becky Prim anyone?).
But as I said, it opens the doors to being able to pitch, and increases the chances of being picked up.

>There's a difference between SOME projects getting off the ground a certain way and that being a worthwhile endeavor in general.
When does a pattern move on from just being a series of coincidences?
At the very least, if you make a pilot/pitch and post it to youtube, it's not going to damage you in any way, so you might as well.

>Basically this is firm handshake tier advise
Any advice you get from this site should be considered that, at best. In fact, all advice should be considered such - if you can't use your own noggin' and think about what's being advised to you critically, and decide whether or not it's useful, you're just sleepwalking through life.

>>7605173
Billy being gay or not does not have bearing on his advice. The advice is either correct or incorrect independent of the source. It's still an ad hominem because you are attacking the person rather than the argument.

>>7605630
So you take drawing advice from cris, I take it?

>>7605630
hehe ad HOMOnem

>>7605630
>hurr durr surely sex advice coming from a virgin is as valid and useful as that coming from a gigolo btw I'm retarded

>>7605630
>t. gives """crits""" to pros despite being /beg/ because he has le developed critical eye and demands to be taken seriously

>>7605633
Cris's advice would be bad even if KJG posted the same shit onto /ic/ from his deathbed as a final act of crabbing.

But he may luck out and say something profound one day, you may never know. (It's just not worth the time and energy investing in that gamble, scratchoffs would give more returns.)

>>7605639
>>7605644
So do you just blindly follow what a "credible" person says and ignore anything someone who "isn't credible" says?

>>7605675
I don't think you know what "blindly follow" means, retard. Filtering advice based on relevant skills of the one handing it out is the opposite of blindly following.

>>7604057
I made art like that when I was beg. His style is beg buy makes it look pretty with light,shade, and color.

>>7604093
>>7604094
>>7604109
>>7604111
>>7604167
>>7604178
>>7604584
>>7604713
>>7604907
>>7605430
Hazbin Hotel, Hellavaboss, and Amazing Digital Circus and Murder Drones prove all you faggot retarded wrong.

>>7605746
None of them started off as YouTubers, you absolute retard.

>>7605738
But are you a hyper social faggot who takes up in the ass? That’s how you make it in the industry these days.

>>7605754
Didn't glitch studios start out making parody animations of mario on youtube?

>>7605746
>the way to become the ruler of germany is to get rejected from the vienna academy twice
>that's stupid
>OH YEAH WILL HITLER SAYS OTHERWISE

>>7605746
foregoing the question of whether those are good animation, what percentage of youtube animation would those be?

>>7605738
>I made art like that when I was beg
no you didn't. That guy is prob better than you are now.

>>7605858
>what percentage of youtube animation would those be?
Well, firstly your question is probably just a bad question, statistics wise.
First, we need to know the percentage of youtube animations that actually ARE intended to be picked up as some sort of series. Next we need to know the percentage of the creators of those animators actually go to pitch their series, and then finally, we check which number of those pitches actually get picked up.

I suppose we should also have consideration for those who were picked up, and dropped before release, or other such shenanigans, as well as those who were hired for other productions based on the work from their pilot.

And are we considering people who just make their living off of youtube animation, such as jayden animations, as well?

If so, I'd say the numbers are still not in the positive, which you'd be stupid to think they'd ever have been, but I think they'd be more decent than you think.

>>7605878
>blablabla it's low
k thx

>>7605888
Not as low as your IQ, Debby Downer Sydrome.

>>7605907
>reddit "wit"
give a number then lmao

>>7605746
Don't forget Double King, ENA, and the guy who made the animation for Starship Velociraptor.

>>7605923
>N-n-nice humour, did you get it from plebbit?
It drives me up the wall that so many of you faggots use that exact same line, every time someone insults you.
Just a crumb of originality and personality, please! Seriously, who are you retards to insult anyone's "wit" when you read off the same script as every other unoriginal piece of shit on this site?
Want a number for how low your IQ is? I can't give you an exact, but you missed that I misspelt Syndrome - in an insult that insults your intelligence - so that's how fucking stupid you are; you let a perfect opportunity slip through your greasy cum covered fingers, just so you didn't have to use your brain and threw out the tired old reddit line.
Fuck you, mouth breather.

Also, the fucking gall to judge anyone's comebacks or wit when you just tried to "K thx" me, like a sassy teenage girl. Being this retarded, AND a hypocrite, nice combo.

>I just wanted a number of successful animators on youtube ;(
And how exactly should I go about doing that? Do I go through every user to see if they make animations, and then see if they're making a living through animation?... and why the fuck would I waste my time like that for a mouth breathing dickhead on 4chan? It's much more fun to just insult him.
Besides, I'm giving as much evidence as you're giving to the contrary, we're both just giving our anecdotal opinions based on what we're seeing - and I see a pattern of successful animators.

>b-b-but you said the chances were low
Yeah, like the chances are low of becoming an artists, or becoming a musician, or an actor, or a writer, or a videogame developer.. should one just not try?
Well a retard like you should just give up, but everyone else has the right to follow their dreams at least.

>>7606434
didn't read but sounds like cope

>>7606476
>didn't read
>but sounds like
Contradicting yourself in so few words, what an achievement.

Good luck competing with myriad of AI jeets on youtube

>>7606487
who are you quoting

>>7606490
What do you mean?

>>7606497
cope

>>7606499
Wha? Who are you responding to right now?

oh he mad

Oh he vague posting.

>>7606434
Holy based response.
This kills the crab.

>>7604111
>video game essay that gets pumped out in a couple of days
What kind of video game essays were you seeing? Are you talking about stream cut-outs or something?
Video essays take MONTHS to make, maybe a month if you're doing this full time.
Source: I make them myself, while working a full-time job.
Depending on the topic it can take even longer.
One time it even took me 4 months to make a video that's only 10minutes long.(it got 12 views btw)
Some random talking for 40 minutes with 10 cuts as his editing is not a video essayist.

>>7606986
lol
imagine being this guy

>>7606986
Yea that guy's a moron. There's video essayists who put a video out once a fucking... quarter? Less?
6 or 7 digit views, lol

>>7607177
there're "artists" who upload once a quarter too

>>7606986
>>7607177
>autists getting butthurt
There are dweebs putting out 2-3+ hour videos every month too, and the payouts for those and your animation share the same rate, which is the point of that post. You're posting shorter videos less often, meaning less adviews and less premium watchtime, meaning less money. The baseline for Youtube is animation, it's whores and nerds talking and you're producing a fraction of what they produce.
>Some random talking for 40 minutes with 10 cuts as his editing is not a video essayist
Any retard sniffing his farts in his "retrospective" or "literary analysis" video of any length is a video game essayist, redditard
>essay
>noun
>/ˈɛseJ/
>1. a short piece of writing on a particular subject