Are they right? In order to become good at art, is it necessary to suffer both physically and mentally?

>>7618762 (OP)
just draw

>>7618762 (OP)
That twittertards point made me realize that I dont hate ESLs because of their broken english, I hate them because of their stupidity.

>>7618762 (OP)

No. You got it muttled.
What makes a good artist
Is one who records the stages of
Cognitive development using
Creative mediums.

Development in this case
Can be defined by experience.
In our own experiences often we encounter suffering both physically and
Mentally. A good artist will ceaze these moments with a paint brush.

>>7618775
michelangelo was esl. he wrote poem. tutti fruti put you language in you're butti

>>7618762 (OP)
I think the guy he's replying to is far more correct - people are distracted and aren't really thinking, but have their thoughts constantly populated by others' work and media. Not to mention the popularity of more cartoony stylised work, which can hardly produce truly 'divine' art (in my opinion, though show me something that may challenge this opinion), and it just means that people have neither the headspace nor skill to really match those ye olde artists.
Add to this, that people these days aren't really trying to make such great pieces of work - when's the last time you've heard of someone purposely trying to make their magnum opus (or a work so great that it's dedicated to god, I forget the proper term fort this mindset)?

Not to say artists are trying to, or even ARE making shitty art - I actually think we have the most talented artists around at this time than any other time in history - but their goals are no way near as lofty, and who could blame them? The church (and others) isn't hiring people to make life changing art anymore, they're spending their money on buying the pope another stupid golden hat.

Anyway, back to the main guy in OP's pic; he's essentially equating suffering as a quality, which is a stupid mindset. He can break his body all he wants for his art, I'll just work comfortably, thank you.
However, he is getting close to a more crucial aspect, which I think is sacrifice; so few people are really willing to make sacrifices for their art these days - the amount of comics and stories left unfinished because the artist simply 'didn't have time' to finish the work they may have previously spent years on, and building a fan base with, is mind boggling.
Artists give up on loftier ideas and ideals because it's hard, where as they should occasionally aim for the moon and make some sacrifices to do so - and even if they miss, they'll still have likely made their finest work yet. These days, artists work thoroughly in their comfort zone.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UljZmbgK_sI

>>7618762 (OP)
did sargent suffer?

>>7618838
he lived in fr*nce as an am*rican, I can't imagine a worse fate

>church
>god
>christ
imagine killing yourself for these jewish concepts lol

>>7618965
>christ
>imagine killing yourself for these jewish concepts lol
When you're antisemitic, but also don't know anything about jews.

>>7618762 (OP)
my art has improved a lot more since I stopped struggling with life stuff. The suffering artist is an annoying, self defeating stereotype.

>>7618762 (OP)
no just draw

getting commissioned by pope himself is probably more motivating than drawing inflation porn for some random furry pedogooner on the internet

>>7618762 (OP)
a common misconception among edgelords

>>7619005
Actually, what percentage of the 'great' pieces of art would have been commissioned or patroned by the church or the nobility? I suspect their guidance towards particular themes and subjects, and demands for certain qualities (as it'd effect their standing), may have played a good part in the level of output from the artists.

>>7619005
the two are the same

>>7618762 (OP)
We've replaced silence and boredom with banality and white noise, so no, they aren't right.

>>7618762 (OP)
Nigger you are drawing anime girl at best, the only thing that suffer in your body is your dick because you keep staring at someone else drawing of anime girl, get erection, and beat your meat over it

i'd be annoyed by some guy constantly telling me how he suffered for 20 years. if it's so bad just don't do it. god literally never asked you to do it.

It's always the people who don't draw with strongest beliefs about how you should draw, isn't it?

>>7619135
Yes. Same with music and other hobbies.

>>7619135
>>7619139
More or less. Let me root around and see if I can find an excerpt from a certain book on music regarding this very phenomenon.

>>7618762 (OP)
The post about phones and consooming is correct. Boredoom breeds creativity. That's why I drew so much more as a kid, I was bored AF and did not have constant, unfettered access to computers and the internet. So what do you do when you've got nothing to do? Create.

>>7618838
Absolutely. His compulsion regarding spicy foods earned him the name John Singer.

>>7618975
it's a bit like the Bell curve meme and you are in the middle.

>>7618762 (OP)
Michelangelo was great before he got that commission; him being great is WHY he got it. He hated painting, though, and considered it a woman's art. That's why he complained so much. I'm sure it was painful painting on his back, but think of how hard it was to chisel away at a block of marble without any power tools. Everything was painful back then.

>>7618762 (OP)
Easy: Find the biggest, meanest guy you can find in the street, grope his dick, and when you wake up at the hospital 2 weeks later (for one reason or the other), see if you've become a master of artistry.

>>7618762 (OP)
Run in front of a bus, if you survive, check if you're a master at drawing.

>>7618775
It was never about the langauge ability. The problem with ESLs is the baggage they bring with them from growing up in a third world country. They have nothing in common with american posters but they try to fit in regardless.

>>7618762 (OP)
yes, if you want to be a great artist you have to slam a car door shut on your dick, go do it

>>7619601
>They have nothing in common with american posters but they try to fit in regardless.
Living in a third world country is the common ground.

>>7619565
>He hated painting, though, and considered it a woman's art
He said that about OIL painting specifically, not painting. Someone prepped a wall for oil in an effort to get him to use oil over tempera and Michelangelo lost his shit, cut all ties with the guy, tore the whole thing down and had it prepped for tempera instead. People combine the incident with the poem where says he's not a painter (meaning he was in unfamiliar territory and struggling to get the job done) and turn into disdain for painting, which was never true. He just saw oil as beneath him, a medium for women and the feebleminded.

>>7619616
america is third world NOW but in the 90s at least which is where most good posters grew up, they had a decent time, and posting about the state of games and anime and cartoons on 4chan is dependent on these shared experiences.

>>7619691
This is /ic/, nigger.

>>7619691
>grew up in the 90's
>comes to the art board to "post about the state of games and anime and cartoons"
>good poster
lol
shouldn't you have a family and be creating your magnum opus by now?

>>7618762 (OP)
No. He's assuming just because he had to suffer everyone else also had to

>>7619704
I'm talking about 4chan as a whole

>>7619706
you're describing "good posters" as balding soifaced plebbitors posting about their "backlogs" and licensed plushie collections lmao
inane shitposting about consooming media is what's ruining the site
get the fuck out

>>7619690
Ah, that's right, thanks for the correction. But didn't he also say he was a sculptor and not a painter?

>>7619732
Like I said, that was the poem. That wasn't
>I hate painting, it's for women
it was
>why the fuck did I take this job, I don't know what I'm doing, I should stick to what I know

>>7619691
i hate you crusty millenials so goddamn much

>>7619937
Don't even attempt to connect with me intellectually if you didn't experience TwinBee 3: Poko Poko Daimao in your formative years, you crypto-thirdie.

>>7618762 (OP)
No.

>>7618762 (OP)
No this is just someone who heard an interesting story about Michelangelo and shat out some contrived thesis on art based on it. Most artists then were just making forgettable paintings for the church or some rich patron, but those aren't the stories that get passed on so we have a view of the past that's only the most interesting stories of the most dedicated artists.

>>7619616
We're not talking about europoors here.

>>7620784
That's what he said

>>7618762 (OP)
This is just glorification of pain, just like far too many people admire if someone is willing to work without taking breaks, or refuse to retire.