Thread 7621938

How do you approach being an artist and having (relatively) controversial political opinions? Secrecy seems futile in the long run, maybe even a bad idea since you'll end up with a lot followers who'd hate you and always being one leak away from the biggest shitstorm of your life. At the same time I don't wanna make myself a target for lunatic activists by being open about politics.
Why must there be so much bullshit attached to sharing your art online?

>>7621938 (OP)
Just don't mention "them", and you will be fine.

>>7621938 (OP)
post your work first so we can decide it even matters to give you advice on this

>>7621938 (OP)
Trust the process. The only threat are theives. They're the guys who cause huge shit storm.
Stolen unfinished work is like being framed for something.
This is what drives me underground.


I realize. Since art is never finished. You may as well invest years and years into a project.

>>7621938 (OP)
You need to regularly perform purges on your audiences with small controversial things so that the ones who would throw a shitfit never gather large enough numbers. If they are a small % of your audience, then anything they get mad over will have other people telling them to fucking leave if they don't like it.

You should not be in a position where you fear your audience. That's basically a sword of damocles over your head if you get there.

I have a friend who quite brazenly talks about sam hyde and other schizo shit and he's doing well for himself, and another friend who oopsie woopsie cultivated an audience of sensitive babies and now is stalled out because he is afraid of growing past his current numbers because he doesn't want to fuck up and get burned.
Me myself, I'm worse than both but I make it abundantly clear that I'm not a conformist retard. I draw completely irreverant shit every now and then, shitpost in places where I may be seen but which aren't my ART locales, and I don't give a fuck about half of the twitter controversies to the point my response to many of them is either "this isn't worth getting mad over, you don't understand how XYZ works at a fundamental level if you get upset over this because it's not new" or picrel.

I even tell people that I like 4chan and try to be as morally and ethically consistent as I can be, which is a really good filter.

All that and I still have plenty of people who are like "PLEASE I WANT TO COMMISSION YOU"

>>7621943
I don't believe in jew conspiracies however I think men have penises and women vaginas. I think mass immigration is a bad idea and that women are extremely privileged (and also retarded).
For Joe Shmoe these opinions aren't that wild but for an online artist I reckon they are
>>7621947
Skill is only weakly correlated to popularity. I'm aware if you're a nobody you'll get away with a lot more. Maybe I should aspire to be a nobody for peace of mind.
>>7621948
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Your work getting leaked and claimed by someone else?
>>7621950
I reckon this could be a viable strategy however mixing my art with politics is not something I feel enthusiastic about. How much do you do it?

>>7621953
I'm the last anon you replied to.
I don't mix my art with politics strictly. I just do occasional memes or edgy things. And I am morally and ethically consistent which is why I am even bothering to talk to you. Even if we'd not see eye-to-eye on many things, I still want to support other anons/artists in being able to make what they want so that everyone has their own little places and groups.
>men have penises and woman vaginas
Explicitly put "Futa/Herm/Trap/Shemale/Cuntboy/Trans" on your commission sheet under your "will not draw" part. Using every word that people could see as a 2015+10 "slur makes them leave out of seeing it as a red flag. If you don't do NSFW art then this is a bit harder.
>Mass immigration
Realistically doesn't need to come up as it should be unrelated to most art anyone would do.
>Women opinions
This + the first point can also be achieved via drawing shit like the tradwife wojack (in your style not the original style) getting aggressively plowed and then "instant win" with some kind of nice cuddle/dinner scene after. Just general "happy idealized normal couple" stuff.

If you're a SFW or trad artist, old school frazetta, pulp, or superman-esque "manly man rescuing his fair lady" stuff can work.

The general themes and vibes of the art you make should appeal to you, not just in a political sense but an aesthetic and deeper one.

For my own art I do like, the occasional 9/11 joke, pro-piracy meme, or similar. My own takes are rather lukewarm in isolation, I'm just irreverent to group pressure and the people who I filter some concepts from (because I'm not an idiot) are way more controversial and kind of schizo-seeming. So moreso I try to kick out people who are of the guilt-by-association types, the kind who run around demanding "solidarity", or who get offended by edginess.

Most artists don't share their hot takes on their art accounts. Most of them don't even talk. Don't make this about yourself. That's not what your followers want to see. I immediately unfollow artists the moment talk about absolutely anything unrelated to art.

>>7621953
I was talking about them reptilians, but whatever.
That "women" bullshit of the later times is the worst crap ever. Let women be women, they should be annoying and whiny, and quirky, and "SPECIAL". That's why they are "women". Fucking retards nowadays, I don't know what the fuck they want, to turn women into "buddies", or some shit. Open the door for them, gave them your sit, and let them give you shit for that, that's why you're a fucking man, because you're build to take shit, specially from them bitches. It's natural selection, women won't chase a whinny bitch who can't take some shit, or a slap in the face. Woman slap, men PUNCH. You don't punch a woman you punch other men.
This generation man, I don't know what they did to their fucking brains.
America's morals and values are destroyed. If you can't respect women, then you can't have a nation. This is a nation of pussies, running away from women. A fucking disgrace. Saddened to be alive to witness this faggotry.

I should add on a bit >>7621978
>The general themes and vibes of the art you make should appeal to you, not just in a political sense but an aesthetic and deeper one.
By this I mean "make whatever you want" not what you think you "should". You just shouldn't resist making something because of "how will people see this?" Basically give less of a fuck, and when the opportunity for something that makes you smirk or giggle with "oh man this will really get some people mad but they won't be able to articulate why without looking unhinged" just do it too.

Don't preach with your art though, that's cringe.

>>7621938 (OP)
Are you an artist yet? Worry about that first

>>7621979
>Most artists don't share their hot takes on their art accounts.
Yes, 100%. Any of the goofy stuff should be done in other places. Feel free to yap in discord servers, argue in youtube comments, whatever. Just don't do it in your business location.

Your art account is your "company" account, not a personal one. Don't use it for anything that you would fire a social media manager for doing. That includes bookmarking random shit or following random people or so on.

>>7621978
>>7621983
See all I wanna do is draw cute furry guys so I figure my "target audience" will be difficult to deal with.
>>7621979
But I don't wanna end up with 10 000 trannies lynching me the moment i refuse drawing a zippertit frankendick
>>7621989
I don't treat art as a business. I don't have a commercially viable style, I hate fotm pandering bullshit and I dont wanna waste energy drawing other people's ideas. I don't wanna turn my passion into a job.
>>7621981
>you gotta respect woman because... you just have to okay????
Look my entire family is women and I'm perfectly fed up with their bullshit. I know their ins and outs and I hate it all. If I somehow could avoid all further interactions with women I'd do it. I don't want a single woman more in my life than I already have. Much less pander to one.

>>7622018
>See all I wanna do is draw cute furry guys so I figure my "target audience" will be difficult to deal with.
>I don't wanna turn my passion into a job.
You can still put a comm sheet down with high-enough prices that seem ridiculous (like 500 USD if you're not all that good) and expressly say that you don't do commissions normally, this is just if someone REALLY wants something and is willing to pay for the stress of doing it.
At that point you have
>DO:
>My usual stuff. Cute furry guys.
>DON'TS:
>Human
>Female
>Futa/Herm/Trap/Shemale/Cuntboy/Trans

Stuff like that. It can be an "ironic commission sheet" that still gets the message across, and if lucky you might get someone willing to pay you a game console's worth for a comm.

>>7622018
>Look my entire family is..
Goddamn, didn't expect to be so right. That's exactly what I mean. You're just a little weak zoom zoom faggot. Those women should adore you, they should serve YOU, and if they don't, that's because you're one useless little bitch. I'm seeing that everywhere nowadays. Women respect a male of worth, weak men today spoil women around. I don't see any solution for you all, but to man up, though I don't see that happening in these times. I will call this new gen, Generation KEK.

>>7621938 (OP)
If someone says
>Waaaahh why you no put lgbtqbraap racial minority on the paper!
Pretend they don't exist

>>7622031
That's an interesting idea. Maybe I'll try it.
>>7622038
lmao it's my family I'm talking about not some anime harem
>>7622042
I mean ignoring people is easy enough but i still wanna be able to interact with others somewhat casually without having to self-censor everything I say and do

>>7622018
Just draw Zipperti Frankendick already, you nazi.

I just get banned lol

>>7621953
You sound like a massive faggot that still hasn't proven that he even knows how to draw in the first place by posting your work, so honestly I'd just call it at this point

>>7622240
You'd be too autistic to appreciate my genius

>>7622246
pyw, retarded frog

>>7622250
I can assure you I have declined a variety of offers from both western and foreign studios since none of them lived up to my standards.
I'd be a top patreon earner if I ever wanted to but as I said, I don't pander to the lowest common denominator. Which is why it'd be pointless showing you anything of mine.

>>7622252
>I can assure you
No, you can't.

>>7622255
No need to get jelly little crab, grind enough boxes and I'm sure you'll get to where I am one of these days.

>>7622252
>>7622257
Okay you made it too obvious with these bro no one is "reaching out" to you lmfao you probably have like 20 followers on your main account (and that's being generous)

>>7622287
Whatever helps you sleep at a night. Just know 99% of /ic/ would give up an arm or a leg to get a crit from someone as accomplished as me

>>7622287
just assume any howie thread without work posted is bait and hide them.

>>7622291
That's probably good advice, thanks

>>7622291
>>7622293
>now they entered full cope mode
Poor crabs...didn't mean to humiliate you this hard

>>7621938 (OP)
Just don't sperg out and talk about it all the time or include your politics in your work in a self-righteous way. People don't like it when libtards do it either.
>I don't believe in jew conspiracies
You should.

>>7621938 (OP)
I'm confused - why exactly can't you just not include politics in your art? If you feel the need to post your opinions about such things, make a separate account just for shit posting, and have your art account be devoid of anything like that.

If you really think that's impossible, then what were people complaining about when they were arguing against 'woke' media? The idea is that your work shouldn't have to be so political as to become unpalatable to the average person.
You don't even need to make your work explicitly apolitical, people often point to Ghibli's work being very much greeny environmentalist bullshit, but it's made with such care that even the biggest climate sceptic could scarcely care - just don't shove your politics down people throat.

>>7621948
yo mr esl, if typing in english is so hard, use a fucking translator. theres no excuse anymore. you talk like you're rocky after being beat to a pulp

>>7621938 (OP)
>At the same time I don't wanna make myself a target for lunatic activists by being open about politics.
That's the best part, it's free marketing.
I make sure to piss off feminists, I read up on all their complaints on redd*t and I create nasty porn designed to make them feral.

>>7621953
>women are extremely privileged (and also retarded).
They have a smaller brain on average so it makes sense.

>>7622038
>>7621981
Nice try fujoshi but you'll never be a real man.

>>7621938 (OP)
>How do you approach being an artist and having (relatively) controversial political opinions?
Nothing is controversial anymore. Liking Hitler is mainstream now. Just do whatever you want. But you also can be political in more subtl ways. If you only draw white character for example, this is also a political statement.

>>7621938 (OP)
How about you learn not to care about what others people think about you and just draw and share your opinions, if the boomers, gen x and other retards wants censorship, you ignore them, what they going to do, make you care about their censorship? No, you create and you don't care. That is it, you get banned for your opinions, good, they are the retards, because in the market of free flowing ideas, you are the champion, you are your own captain in the sea of chaos, you are the artist, you are supposed to be on the light in the unknown, you are suppose to be on top of the zeitgeist, you feel their presence, you understand them and you express it. If you have to hide and pretend, you will channel energy and effort to pretend instead of create. I will make this bold claim that most of the great artists are unvax, because they are on top of the zeitgeist, they feel something is off and they follow their gut, they don't follow the retards, or maybe I am wrong, they are all as easily tricked as the next person. Time will tell. Most importantly, be yourself, can't believe I need to tell zoomers this. The sooner you become yourself, the better your art will be.

>>7623998
Smaller brain means it takes less time for neurons to activate and transfer signals. Men brains are sluggish

An actual artist doesn't conform to the status quo. It's why people like Kanye West are more important for culture and art than retards realize. Without people pushing the envelope on what is allowed, we end up culturally stagnant. It really pisses me off that people will praise things like "Piss Jesus" for bravely going against dominant Christian culture in one breath while shitting on Kanye West for being "antisemitic" in the next. They can't recognize why you need BOTH sides of the conversation to push back against what is allowed. If one side prevails culture dies. It's an ebb and flow of rebellion and conformity.

Seriously, in about 3 years people will think it was absolutely retarded that people were so up in arms about Kanye saying tweeting "I'm a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I'm going death con 3 On Jewish People". It already sounds retarded to think he was "canceled" for saying that.

>>7624017
Smaller brain and have an average of 15% less neurons which means women are not good at spatial understanding, reasoning, logic, decision making and executive functions. It doesn't make women less valuable, I will say it makes women 15% more adorable and attractive. It's like looking at a woman struggling with a simple task, it's cute and when you help her, the light in her eyes, the surprise, gives men a dopamine kick.

>>7624021
Provide a source that says its 15% less?

It's simple.

Create a profile. Different name from everything else, different password from everything else, no personal data.

Keep business interactions strictly business and professional.

Emphasis: Keep your professional life separate from your personal. I use FB, I have no personal pictures, I have no information about my work...everything is over decade old.

People, when I say something they don't like, think I'm a russian bot because my profile is locked down so hard.

Could my identity be found out? Absolutely by someone determined enough and with enough knowledge...but those people are not nearly as common as people think, and a lot of people you're going to piss off are too lazy to really dig.

But if you keep your artist profile completely separate, it's probably going to be as secure as you can make it...like air-gapping is for computer security. Sure, someone could walk in and pull stuff off your drives, but what are the odds?

>>7624221
This is good if you want privacy, you think artists of today, they want privacy? Hell no, they want attention. The balance isn't to hide yourself either, you will be in a echo chamber, a bubble and your ideas will not be great, it will be reinforced by the same retards. Be yourself at all cost. Because nothing else matters. Do you want to live as a clone and NPC your entire life? If so go ahead. You are free to do that, it's your choice.

I immediately unfollow you if you start posting politcal opinions instead of art, either side of politics. I come for your art, not your retarded opinions on things I don't care about. Likewise I apply this to myself too when posting art, I just want to draw cute girls and cool dudes.

>>7624246
Based artists should make this exact opinion heard.

>>7624246
This is correct but you have to be a little bit edgy (in ANY way, doesn't have to be political just obviously irreverent) such that you don't accidentally have too many people who see politics everywhere suddenly lying about you and trying to get your means of income cut off

... because they decided that you (or someone else you are friendly with - guilt by association!) drew some subject matter that was off limits for no reason other than to act as a shibboleth. Thus it means you failed the test and are treated as worse than an enemy: a traitor.

Ensuring enough unfollow you, or never follow you in the first place, means they can't drum up enough likeminded support to sway those who just go with what's popular.

>>7624282
You made your choice and I understand your anxiety. If you let someone you deem as a threat to stay within your circle. It can be used against you. Your income might be affected if they judge you, and you lose your audience, it is exactly this fear, this anxiety that is stopping you from growing. Here is why, you hit a million followers who are not as opened minded, you will be living in hell, you will hate your own audience, you will hate the fact they want you to be something that you don’t want. You will become depressed on the long run, you will try to find ways to make yourself happy and that creates opportunities for bad choices in life. Being popular online gives you money, being yourself is eternal. You then have to make choices to balance this out. It is all about how much power you have over your audience, you want them to accept you and whoever you associate with. Not the other way around. If you push away people that you like because of the opinions, you will be lonely, because you will surround yourself with people who loves you but don't even like you, they love you for what you represent. Its the choices you made along the way, do you want people who ride or die, people who wants you to succeed, wants you to win, and hope you can take over the world. Which is more important? Popularity that fund your comfort life style, or a chance at greatness, to risk your life on earth for a slice of legacy? In terms of art, and art history, the potential is limitless, eternal glory, think Leonardo davinci, think of Homer, think of Shakespeare, ultimately it's about great work. Great work only comes from being yourself. Popularity is an opportunity for greatness. It's a shot in the dark if you are an artist, you are alone in that exploration of the unknown unknown. Good luck, may the God and the muses show you the way.

>>7624209
Chat GPT ain't a source, and even if you want to use AI as some kind of source, it say the individual variation is huge.

>>7625155
The more you use LLMs the more you realize prone they are to confidently hallucinating bullshit and the less you actually trust them. I was asking gemini pro for help with a blender compositor setup I wanted to make and it tried gaslighting me about me being in the incorrect area. Its information was just outdated for 4.3.2, but it would continually press me for being wrong and telling me to double check I'm in the right area.

They're absolutely helpful and almost like magic in some instances, but should really only be used as springboards for your own research more than anything. I always press gpt and gemini to cite their sources now when looking for factual information and they almost always retract or change their initial answers once forced to double check themselves against actual sources. Sometimes their sources are also really shit so their points are invalid or dubious.

>>7625155
>it say the individual variation is huge.
Just means it is still more or less neurons than women. Objectively true.

>>7625155
>>7625160
Since you think it is not true because of chatgpt, I have used Google to find the exact source. It just means men are better at executive functions. Most women are better than men at giving birth. It's biology, truth is hard to avoid.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9215725/

>>7625251
huh? I didn't read further up the comment chain so I have no idea how this relates to women lmfao

>>7621938 (OP)
just draw.
I know an artist irl. She's cute and her art is really good, but her constant (politically leaning) crash outs make sure I'll never see her as anything more than a child.

Just draw.

>>7624209
If they count black men as men, ofc there would be overlap with women.

Who tf does even know studies on this. Women are a joke. The economic damage they cause is massive.

>>7625404
>economic damage they cause is massive
This is untrue, whores in particular generates a lot of wealth and they use their wealth for art and culture. Here is why, back then when men were mining for gold or coal, they will move to remote areas, and soon after they set up shop, women move in and build brothels and taverns, bars, for the working class man to have a drink and a fuck. Then the money they made draws in more facilities, the mail, the tailor, bakery, clinic and on and on, till a small town is established, and those town are usually built by men funded by the whores or business savvy people who saw the need to have those necessities.

Women of today however, the cost through pink tax is unironically on women themselves, while there is no umbrella term to talk about the cost of creating first world women, I will invent one, and here is my current term for it, Women Deficit, this deficit is a global phenomenon, rising first world women or developing nations to first world women, have this deficit and the corporations and governments consider this cost as part of their strategy, it is the cost of doing business. The women vote have been used to control government and men since their inception. Since world war 2, when the surviving men decided to fix the war mongering government, instead they were hit by the women's vote and that pandora box(jar) is opened now. Evil is let loose and we are now all experiencing the sins of the father. The overhead to brainwash girls from birth to grave with feminism, which is paid by the corporations who uses pink tax on the same women. This cost is not a joke, nor should it be used as a snark remark to put down women. This cost is strategic to those in power. The cost of changing this corrupted system, will be the death of multiple good men, and is unacceptable, because those good men are the seeds of the patriarchy, most good men have zoned out, because they know they can't fix the corrupt. The cycle continues.

>>7621938 (OP)
Unless you're posting in one of the very few plataforms that can keep your blogs separate from your drawings it's better to section off things in different accounts. Nobody likes trying to view art by sifting through 9285483 schizoposts and game screenshots
>but what if i get made fun of?
Then just don't leave everything in the same place, unless you have a compulsion for doxxing yourself on your art blog and stormfront at the same time there will always be plausible deniability

I'm really feeling this now I'm officially a leftist with herodox (AKA 'Cancelable') views. Sucks donkies' balls.

>>7625449
If woman brain small, why average woman better at art and socialization?

>>7621938 (OP)
3 approaches:

1. Just draw your male furry art. Say nothing controversial. If you want attention for your political opinions start a podcast or something. Like someone else says, separate your art from your politics.

2. Draw based art. Draw edgy shit and comics that represent your political views

3. Draw so, so so so extremely well and deliberately incorporate your agenda that people change their minds. "Well, gassing jews is bad but my favorite artist is into it so maybe there's a point."

It sounds like you care too much about people's opinions of you as a "good" artist (rendering or cute or uncancellable or whatever) so you're going to cultivate a fan base that wants you to shut up and draw furry pretty boys. If you draw based and edgy shit from the beginning, then your audience will know that's just who you are. Or go all in and make a masterpiece, like Evangelion, or Nausicaa, or the Great Gatsby or Madoka.

It sounds like you're too pussy to go all in on your political views. Or to make thoughtful political pieces that matter (I make commentary and comics which are well received) it sounds like you want to be one of those influencer types who tweets brainless adages like "free palestine" and "BLM" which you won't be canceled over but will draw in a very witchhunting kind of crowd. If you actually have something thought provoking to say, say it with your chest out. If your political opinion matters that much to you, it should matter more than the livelihood you get from art - which is why I have a day job, so that I can continue to be as based as I want in my art. It sounds like your art isn't good enough for option 3 either, where you're so good you actually inspire people.

>>7630374
Because smaller brain does not mean they can't be good at a task. Women are still humans. Wouldn't go as far as to say better at art, most of the top 1% are men in all fields, maybe in exceptions like music industry. Women do excel in language and child birth. Women with gilded tongues are amazing, they just know how to say the right words at the right time. Such women they say things with ab elegance. That is why every strong man have such a powerful woman. She whisper dreams and desires that lift his spirit so he can reach greatness and excellence.

>>7630377
>a whole novel full of retarded inferences
Look guy I'm not interested in spamming edgy political shit or convincing anyone of anything. I'd just like to have an occassional opinion without triggering a full blown shitstorm and getting targeted by obsessive, terminally online autists. However to me this seems like an impossible prospect in the current social climate. Were you totally to clam up the bigger the fallout you can expect the day you slip up and say something that's haram.
In this day and age one has to have a strategy for this. The bigger of a following you amass the more pressing an issue it becomes.

>>7630377
Futhermore, the better you get at drawing the more people would like tear you down were you to trigger their ire in some way.
People appreciate skill sure, so long as it remains disembodied. Generally they don't like to be made aware it is possessed by an actual human of flesh and blood, with their own life, views, flaws and opinions.