Was Norman Rockwell a shitter? - /ic/ (#7622490) [Archived: 672 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:53:46 PM No.7622490
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Look at the fucked up proportions of the dad. Tiny head, long ass arms.
All the characters are stiff as fuck with forced gestures.
Nauseatingly bright and blown out color palette, no contrast to speak of.

Was he really just a glorified render monkey of his time?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:20:19 PM No.7622511
This board is pathetic.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:27:07 PM No.7622514
>forced gestures
stealing that one
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 3:48:50 PM No.7622529
>>7622514
i think OP means it lacks authenticity, which is a valid critique for this piece, although the mannerism and campiness was pretty intentional and a trademark of the era
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:00:12 PM No.7622536
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>>7622490 (OP)
The stiff feel is just the wholesome 50s vibe . The proportions can't be off though. Bro was a tracer.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:11:20 PM No.7622547
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>>7622490 (OP)
>>7622529
>>7622536
For some people it may feel uncanny valley because the expressions are often subtly exaggerated, but not enough to the degree of a caricature. This is compounded by the fact that he typically puts almost everything in-focus and with loads of hard edges everywhere, which can be disorienting. If the OP image were recent you'd think it was actually painted over a photobash of multiple unrelated portraits. The detail and texturing of the cat is noticeably different from the dogs, and you can clearly see all the lines on each person's face. Oddly, the son's far hand has what looks like more clear detail than his near hand, despite it being in shadow and further away.

This isn't really to knock him, as this WAS indeed a thing that was popular in his time. He was indeed highly skilled and has plenty to learn from. The technique required to make all the textures look super real - the cloth look like you could reach out and touch it for example - and the individual expressions being well-pulled off.

Most importantly, you can learn that even for a great like him, he had many stinkers that we are only aware of because he was so prolific, did so much art for clients who kept archives, and much of his work was preserved as a result.
I'd argue that the ones shown here >>7622536
are better examples of Rockwell's art than the OP image, but there are loads of even better ones out there. The main contention is really just the composition of the OP, all things said and done.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:39:34 PM No.7622568
>>7622536
I feel like he traced the father and son from two separate refs. Because they genuinely don't look like they are on the same plane. The dad somehow looks miniaturized.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:12:37 PM No.7622600
i used to not like rockwell as much then i learned more and realized how wrong i was
he's a bonafide art genius, probably the best illustrator, better than leyendecker, cornwell, all of them
he also shit on de kooning which was funny
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:28:54 PM No.7622614
>>7622490 (OP)
PYW
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:38:02 PM No.7622622
rockwell edit
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>Nauseatingly bright and blown out color palette, no contrast to speak of
License to murder all begs
I'm not even a Rockwell fan, I find his shit schmaltzy, but you're just speaking nonsense after watching and misunderstanding some Proko tutorials. Look at this. You can reduce it to so few values and it's still perfectly readable. He was an illustrator, and he understood graphic appeal.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:05:01 PM No.7622645
corny ass coffee ad shit
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:05:34 PM No.7622646
>>7622511
well said
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:30:59 AM No.7623192
>>7622490 (OP)
Norman Rockwell is great.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:12:09 AM No.7623242
>>7622645
He is pure white bread trad Americana. 4chan chuds beat off to Norman Rockwell
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:49:04 AM No.7623276
>>7622490 (OP)
Not is for niggers
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 6:20:31 AM No.7623335
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 6:21:32 AM No.7623336
>>7622622
what filter did you use to get this
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 7:21:09 AM No.7623387
Posterization_example
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>>7623336
It's posterization. Standard tool in image editing software and art programs.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:34:05 PM No.7623567
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>>7623335
tfw left the fucking stove on
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:51:21 PM No.7623573
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>>7622490 (OP)
Always hated his art, I think he stuck to his references too tightly which gave them that stiff posed feeling, but dug the wholesome Americana vibe he was going for.
And he does have at least a few cool paintings/illustrations, even if you want to be critical of the guy.

But if I had been around at that time, and hiring an illustrator, there'd be dozens of people I'd choose before Norman Rockwell.
On another note, are there any illustrators these days that are well known in a way that is comparable to Normal Rockwell? I feel like the last 'rock star' illustrator was/is Jamie Hewlett, and he's likely famous moreso for being attached to an actual rock star (Damon Albarn) rather than his illustrations itself.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:59:45 PM No.7623579
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Mogged by Leyendecker
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:43:28 PM No.7623599
/ic/ want a no-crabbing circlejerk board where every gooner scribbler is accepted for who they are, while talking the utmost amount of inane bullshit lol
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:53:41 PM No.7623605
>>7623599
It's okay because Norman Rockwell is dead, and is therefore free for the crabbing.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:03:11 PM No.7623645
>>7623599
You just gotta understand the board culture which has become straight up retarded in the worst possible ways, unsurprisingly coincides with when zoomers left high school
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 7:27:27 PM No.7623746
>>7622490 (OP)
"For Israel, any father would sacrifice his first begotten son"
"Happy to do it dad"
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 7:35:36 PM No.7623757
>>7623242
You are still a gook so who cares.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 7:40:10 PM No.7623765
>>7622529
I he actually captures the culture and values of the time pretty well, dismissing his art has bad because of how its created is completely over looking the fact of how his paintings are a distillation of the idealistic American lifestyle during that time. He was very much in tune with the heart beat of society.

Imo a render monkey just creates art with no real purpose or influences outside of itself.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 7:48:43 PM No.7623770
>>7622536
A tracer!? I got shit on when I showed my traces to /ic/ and yet you worship this guy?
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:54:44 PM No.7623822
Rockwell did a lot of white satire, it was the political correctness of that time, today black people do not understand, they appeal to woke neo political correctness, Rockwell painted very well, he was very hyperrealistic, today he is superior to most of the proliferating shit, in fact Loomis and others of that time had similar styles, hyperrealistic and satirical art was highly valued, the artist at that time was highly valued commercially because they were used for advertising, something similar to what happens in Japan today, in the West today most of the untalented idiots starve to death and beg for alms on patreon.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 3:27:13 AM No.7624162
>>7622490 (OP)
how many followers could he get on twitter?
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 3:28:51 AM No.7624164
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>>7622536
>amazing values and rendering
>look inside
>its just tracing
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:22:45 AM No.7625357
>>7622490 (OP)
The proportions are fine, I think you're just getting tricked because the ancient boomers used to wear their pants really high which makes it look weird.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:26:18 AM No.7625359
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>>7623579
>Leyendecker
Mogged by AI based on wakkawa's art.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:31:31 AM No.7625364
>>7622490 (OP)
Colors are gorgeous, not everyone has heroic idealistic bodies and his posing and proportion fit the tone of his work
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 7:09:50 AM No.7625579
>>7625359
Giving brown people access to the internet was a mistake
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:34:16 PM No.7625780
>>7625359
You are indian
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:55:33 PM No.7625792
>>7624164
None of that is traced you stupid nigger, get your eyes checked, it's obvious even on first glance
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:58:01 PM No.7625793
>>7622536
>Accurately copying and stylizing from photo references and models is tracing now
Tell me that you're/beg/ without telling me you're /beg/, PYW
Sage
6/29/2025, 1:01:03 PM No.7625797
Horrible bait
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:49:20 PM No.7626046
>>7622536
>using reference is tracing!
Why do permabegs still think they deserve to have opinions
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:00:53 PM No.7626057
>>7626046
I've heard the allegations that he was an outright tracer a few times now, including anecdotes about him being highly insecure and depressed over his inability to make work without references or tracing - I think they're just that, anecdotes, with little factual evidence beyond us having some of the photos his taken for his work.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:48:40 PM No.7626373
you're right he wasn't tracing, he was just forced to copy references 1:1 to draw anything and couldn't draw anything from imagnation
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:54:31 PM No.7626382
>>7622490 (OP)
This board is fucking useless. Every single one of you faggots would rather tear down every *actual* artist in sight before even bothering to learn how to draw anything yourselves.
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 1:13:04 AM No.7626588
>>7623579
Gay man mogs everyone
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 1:40:52 AM No.7626616
>>7622490 (OP)
he paints photographs,so the proportions are from a real person. you are a shitter for being an absolute beg retard.
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 2:14:38 AM No.7626658
>>7626373
but they're clearly not 1 to 1
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 10:56:35 AM No.7627011
>>7624164
>>7623770
Basquiat copied every single thing in his work. The symbols came from just a couple of pages of a book of symbols he found. Henry Darger and lots of incredible art is made from tracing. Requiring skill at drawing the human figure in the AI era especially is like dismissing race car drivers because they can't engineer and create an engine from a CNC machine. It's meta skills and contexts that matter.
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 11:22:56 AM No.7627015
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>>7622490 (OP)
>/ic/ taking the most obvious bait as always
Go "trace" to this ref instead
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 8:22:35 AM No.7628382
>>7623242
>trad
you know Rockwell was a leftist, right?
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 8:59:22 AM No.7628406
>>7628382
Yesterdays leftist is today's conservative. Who do you think his paintings appeal to these days?
The Ovaltine window, and the Horse's Shoes theory, and all that.