Why don't they make art as good like in the 60s to 80s? Why is it in the 80s there's birth iconic artists? Is Andy Warhol peak? Why made them work better? Even the 60s cars are built better and more reliable. Why is it the things today so shit, is it because China and planned obsolescence?
>>7624546 (OP)My English no good ใใใใญ
>>7624546 (OP)>planned obsolescenceWell, this is the big one for products, sure. Why have someone buy something once, when you could have them buy it over and over again?
Supposedly they had worked out how to make a light bulb that will never blow some time ago, but simply never released it, because that would mean less sales after everyone in the world fills their homes with them.
People blame this greed on capitalism, but I disagree, you find this kind of immorality in any kind of system, or are they really going to say there wasn't a wealth divide in communist countries?
As for art, that's for a plethora of reasons - photos becoming more high quality and cheaper, the need for the illustrations to be made quickly, the budgets for the art shrinking, the changing tastes of society (in part, thanks to people like warhol), and the overly competitive market exacerbating all these issues...
I'm sure there's plenty more reasons.
If we're talking about traditional art, and not commercial art, that's kind of a different beast, but I think mostly comes down to the artists not being held to any sort of standard. Previously, the public was more invested, and the art critic had some power in influencing the direction of the art world; however the art critic seemed to have gone completely against the public and their sentiments, and instead decided to showboat just how broad minded they were, but accepting anything as art - now we live in a world where anything can be art, including (literal) shit in a can.
I think there'll eventually be a push back to more classical style art, in terms of aesthetics and tastes, but who knows when that'll happen.
>>7624571You give many good reasons, I think China capitalism bad, bad products everyday, no good at all spoil easy because China cut cost. Planned obsolescence change culture, bad products, bad actors, bad culture. Is Andy Warhol the fault or artist holding mirror? English no good ใใใใญ
For peeing pot also become art, because artist signature, very good art because critical at the time, critique about artist signature, but now cannot work already, is one hit wonder. I miss good art, when is culture ready for good art? I don't know.
She rather die, art is very nice, very comic, by Roy Lichtenstein, probably not call she rather die hehe powerful woman, one of my favorite of Roy
>>7624546 (OP)I think postmodernism killed art. But I don't mean that in the chud pomo bad kind of way.
Fads don't stick around long enough nowdays to ever be refined into a movement. In the past art movements, lasted for decades and built off and bounced off eachother. But now everyone feels the need to obsess over being a unique little special snowflake. Someone like Warhol can never be relevant, because anti-culture requires a culture to oppose. The muddying of waters has caused art to lose all context, and it's increasingly meaningless as time goes on.
>>7625511>Meaningless as time goes byif you let the post modernists ideas in, that is what you will believe. Everything you do can be a hit or miss. It is hard to achieve eternal glory my friend. You will think someone like Warhol is not relevant, I think you are wrong, Warhol just became a different identity all together, advertising. He is advertising now, the repetitive ads, you see, he is living in the background, that's what most people don't see. Those advertising cucks are just Warhol offspring, it takes a certain kind of evil, well mostly money, to embrace yourself in advertising, you are either doing advertising for corporations who are selling shit and sus products or helping government so propaganda, that's essentially their job right now, remember it was the advertisers who came up with shit like smoking is a feminist right. Pure fucking evil that's what they are. Yeah they made history, the kind that cause continuation of death, the unintended consequences of advertising can be still felt today and very much shaped our fucked up corrupt culture. Imagine a bunch of highly intelligent people doing art and copy for a messaging so successful that decades even people are still dying from cigarettes. If you ask me, that is the dark side of Warhol, he like Muhammad didn't have a successor and the power gap he created when he die, was replaced by these fucked up advertisers. I worked as one before and I learn their fuck up ways, even if you give them the benefit of a doubt, the best take you could give them, they are still selling their soul doing something they probably don't feel good, in fact they often are in conflict with each other, the sad part is they are creative people being used by corporations and governments to do the more insidious shit of manipulating the masses. And they know it works because they have metrics for it. Part of me blame Warhol for not thinking ahead, but part of me also understand he hated the society.
>>7625612Nah, I get what you mean but you're missing the point. It's not that I don't think that people aren't following Warhol's ideas, of course they are.
I think that the breadth of ideas is too wide for there to be any kind of common-consciousness. And I think that's a bad thing both for mainstream and counter-culture. We have a million tiny micro-cultures. There's no big statement to be made anymore because everything is housed in small groups. Any critique or insight you might have is only relevant to an smaller and smaller slice of society, and only has a shelf life of a few weeks at most before the fads change and the groups morph into something else, rendering your statement irrelevant.
>>7625623There's no need for common consciousness or even consensus, Andy Warhol ideas have become advertising, that makes him undeniable, without him, advertising won't become what it is today. That is what I call living in the background. Just as there is a persian Muslim in every algorithm, the word itself, al means something even if you do not understand it, even if you are not conscious about it. A Persian Muslim live in that entity, that persian creates something in his mind, and now part of him is living in the background. Greatness and glory is eternal. Do not disregard the idea of Greatness, you are young, you have limitless potential for greatness and excellence. Being relevant isn't as important than greatness. Because relevance is temporary, like youth and a woman's beauty, glory is eternal, understand this and open your mind to the limitless potential, dominate the world with your art. You can make an art movement if you so choose. It's not easy, glory is never easy, but it is achievable, if you already given up then you already failed because you cannot envision it. If your mind is closed to the possibility, then it is impossible. Open your mind, don't let the post modernists do you in. Fight.
>>7625511Postmodernism good art too, chud pomo good too, if you want art movement, you find real friends, make art movement together, together make great art, together strong no lose, no defeat, monkey strong together. Monkey never cramp, art never die, because banana. English no good ใใใใญ
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Jackson Pollock art is good, messy and abstract, very special, he was funded by CIA, cultural campaign in art, very interesting story too, is that why art shit today, no CIA funding, maybe not, America win culture war, no need good art anymore?
>>7624546 (OP)Forget dead internet theory, call it dead society theory.
>>7627002Why dead, no true, what true is, if no live to began with, how to dead? Internet is no live, so no dead.
strong woman stop children, Richard Hamilton is very nice, cool collage art, his energy I like, good energy, capture his time.
Tadanori Yokoo art, showing butt hole to the sun is peak japanese art
>>7624546 (OP)Based Laura Branigan appreciator. She was so beautiful, bros.
>>7624571>Supposedly they had worked out how to make a light bulb that will never blow some time ago, but simply never released it, because that would mean less salesIf I remember right, it was actually really dim and only useful as an indicator lamp in dark areas because you could barely see it.
There's a lot of rumors about such "solve a problem for forever" tech but they're rarely as true as they get meme'd to be, usually in bad faith by the kinds of commies you described as a way to try to point at how greedy capitalists are ruining everything.
Much of your post is correct though. A small quibble is that the "shit in the can" is from the period OP refers to, and that much of the "high art" world is intentionally supposed to be inaccessible to the plebians.
Current tech means that when any fine work can be reproduced in stunning quality on a screen or in print, then such works are accessible to everyone. So much of the contemporary art in galleries is "inaccessable" in other ways. It's all set up as an "IYKYK" situation for rich people.
>>7625511>art movementsThose were only ever cronyistic little groups that pulled each other into prominence when one or more caught the eye of some rich people. They were never all that widespread outside of commercial art and architecture or art history courses until print improved and digital became a thing. You had to physically travel to such works or find expensive prints.
Nowadays we have the multiplicity of things, and as such revealed there never was a true singular "culture", just a lot of variations and then different countercultures. Everyone can find "their people" who share their aesthetics now, you just have to look around with an open mind. It's pretty good.
>>7625623>and only has a shelf life of a few weeks at mostThings that are shallow get discarded. Anything that doesn't is latched onto by one of those sub/micro cultures and forms a new thing. There are still people whose favorite genre is Pony music.
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Cherry on spoon, very big, suppose to be a bridge? I no sure, like it very much, cherry nice, Claes Oldenburg art.
There's a book full of old cartoon drawings and it's called "Cartoon County" if you're interested in that sort of thing
>>7630570war drawing? Very cool
Jasper Johns, looks like captain america shield, maybe inspire, very cool, red and blue.
Lanai, 1964. Oil on canvas. 5' 2" x 15' 6" (157.5 x 472.4 cm) [62โ x 186โ]. Private Collection
Very nice, HUGE to be honest, looking at the screen do no justice, too bad in private collections
Jiro Yoshihara art, in 1960s, he paint rings, he create group, called Gutai, a failed art group, gone in 1971, their slogan is "Don't copy anyone." I like his slogan.
It is LOVE! 1966 sculpture by Robert Indiana, very nice, blue and red, very sexy.
Zap comic alumni, S Clay Wilson.
(And people call my stuff too busy!)
>>7635497>S Clay Wilson.Very Busy, Very Ugly, but also very good.
Tom Wesselmann, art, sexy lips with cigs, very sweet, very toxic.
>>7635500He was.
You can look at his stuff for hours.
>>7637071Do you like the context of his drawing?
>>7637223Subject matter,you mean?
His work is full of strange niche stuff:Captain Pissgums the gay Pirate,Ruby the Dyke the biker, aliens and demons. I need not participate in a fetish to be amused by reading of it.
>>7637258Yes, subject matter, I English no good. Very strange, unique, you like the unique? Different?
Yayoi Kusama, her dots, very dazzling, eyes watering if you look long time, very feminine, organic forms, she mentally ill, but drawing dots make her whole again.
>>7630564Do you have a pdf of it or a mega? Can you upload it?
>>7637280Yup.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zap_Comix
Rosalyn Drexler's art, cool slap, very funny, kind of the slap of the time.
>>7641510Oo very cool design, very nice. Octopus eel, so cool.
Marjorie Strider art, 3D painting of pin up girls, in 1963, very creative, painted on masonite, built with wood, make look 3D, fun and colorful, easy to look at.
>>7641558He is another Been Around since the 70s comic artist known for Those Annoying Post Brothers and Kief Llama, and was very into the local music scene too.
This is a random page from a comic I had lying around.
And since I am digging in my comic collection, I present Kim Dietch.
>>7641575>>7641669This thread is getting interesting, a mix of highbrow art and comics which is the cheapest and most accessible form of lowbrow art.
The CIA killed art in the 1950s. Abstract expressionism was forced upon the American people and culture which gave birth to movements like Warhol's literal assembly line commodification of art.
>>7642387I have a bunch of comics to show,all 20+ years old. I will post a couple more tomorrow. Looking for stuff online to post has been a low rezz crap shoot.
>>7642393Art can no forced, same as love can no forced.
>>7642746A sociopath can convince another that they are in love with the idea of what they are presenting as. I get what you're saying, and I like the spiritual transcendent aspect of it about how true love and true art are not forced, they are only discovered, but that's not reality.
There are many people in relationships that have been stockholm'd into believing that being beaten is how they mans express they loves. Likewise, the relationship between art and culture is so closely related, that if you begin campaigns to push certain art into the mainstream, people will begin to believe, that this is what is considered art.
A perfect example? The US is in a war with China for AI superiority. How will we see our culture change to reflect this? Why, we're already getting a taste, AI art will begin to be pushed everywhere, either through challenges or memes, the modern equivalent of the cultural stamp of approval. Soon, it will begin to pop up in fine art galleries as avant garde with the prompt and a snippet of a story about how an 'artist' came up with the idea, grants given by the government to encourage its use, before you know it, the zeitgeist will have shifted, and AI art will be widely accepted, even celebrated by normies, because the conversation was rewritten through things like astroturfing, memes, cultural integration. With that cultural acceptance, pushing for deregulation and investments to win against China becomes far easier. Cultural manipulation is a tried and true strategy by the government.
>>7642746yes it can, retard, that's why we had a bunch of art of nobles and jesus and not hot peasants fucking and why we today have a lot of art of niggers and ugly women
nothing changes, money says what gets pass the filter
modern art was so repellent to everyone from the plebs to the ruling class that glownigger had to switch to pushing it in secret and they still pushed it through
>>7643060>Soon, it will begin to pop up in fine art galleries as avant garde Already did in 2023
>>7643077Both are art, but me no like, no force me like, no force me love, no love, no like. No power over me.
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>>7643101yeah independent thinkers will always be indifferent to the mainstream, but the point is, that you don't need to sway the opinions of people like you or me, just the majority. You convince the majority, the opinions of people like you and me get lost in the noise.
>>7643113Covid 19, many people tricked, make made choice, jab jab, in the end, people learn...
Atsuko Tanaka also one of the Gutai, a failed art group, she made this in 1964, paint on floor, very expressive, action based, very random.
Patrick Nagel was taken from us too soon. Very expressive despite the simplicity. Lots of "girl in void" artists could learn to elevate their works from studying his art
>>7643453This very sexy, too sexy, ero ichi, many sex thought looking at this art.
>>7627002it only means this isn't the first time a society has become decadent and corrupt, not that such decadence is normal.
Eduardo Paolozzi Art, very colorful print, cheap to make, mixing low art with high art, in 1971.
David Hockney art, 90 million, wow expensive, female not included, very rococo, pastel colors, feels soft and feminine, different shade of white on white, blue on blue, green on green.
Vaughn Bode.
Looking through a window into another world.
>>7652463So much soul,drug related art?
>>7652476Oh,sure. His readers,most certainly.
Mea culpa!
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This was in my feed tonight.
A Vaughn Bode interview!
https://youtu.be/yRZZhTUCV7I?si=YiH0IVXgLNZ8IYNz
>>7626943I think it was a conversation about Pollock with 20 somethings that made me realize that new generations are talking chicken. They would say
>this is now the time to represent emotionsyeah because representational art = no emotions, if you represent reality it's just a technical exercise. It just cannot happen that you communicate with human beings this way. Emotions are only delivered through abstract scribbles. Every single one of them agreed about this, I imagine because that's what they were taught in school. These were all people deeply interested in art btw
Uniornically muh children. Muh kids draw like this because they're made of emotions... It's not like children draw like shit because they can't draw well, lmao your emotional paragon is someone who shits himself crying because he got a shorter french fry than the other kid
I fucking hate normalniggers and young people so fucking much it's unreal
