At what point should a person throw in the towel for their artistic dreams and write them off as wishful whimsy that'll never truly come to pass? Is it more over for some people than others?

I realize now that my life wasn't truly my fault and anything prior to 16 or 17 years of age could not have the blame ascribed to me. Unfortunately this might mean that since I've no social support, no connections, no place in the world, that it may be impossible to achieve anything in the end. Even after all the time sunk into drawing and my sunk cost fallacy carrying, I am still just a useless eater.

Post your drawings

>>7628442 (OP)
Some of you definitely need to get a job and then come back with some perspective, because god damn do you think like a loser.

I dunno man, probably just the point at which you can no longer commit the time to trying. It's not like drawing is the only hobby in the world. Just do something else with your time. This shit is like acting like you're gonna be alone forever just cos you got rejected one time. There's other fish in the sea.
If you like drawing, do it for fun, but don't torture yourself with this shit. It's not even a good job to have so you're pretty much dodging a bullet anyway.

holy shit that comic is awesome tjankd op

>>7628444
Trips checked, unfortunately it's subpar and permabeg
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>>7628447
I've unfortunately had plenty of actual jobs and none of them have ever gotten close to providing me the lifestyle or needs that I have. I flew across the world and am currently sitting in my room rotting after a wacky late night adventure throughout the red light district

>>7628442 (OP)
If those dreams are getting in the way of the other more important parts of their life.
If you have a family dependent on you, and you artist money isn't cutting it, and you could make more by putting more hours into other work - do that.
If you are feeling depressed from 'not making it', then stop trying to make it and get a normal job.

Ultimately, it's only a bad thing, if you see it as a bad thing. If you are happy, and it's not effecting anyone else, who cares if you are only scraping by?

>>7628454
Anon just what kind of lifestyle and needs to you expect doing art as a job will fulfill? It's not really any better than a standard white collar job and with far less security. You're still just sitting there all day fiddling with shit you don't really care about anymore, if you ever did. Even if you got it, you still wouldn't be happy. That I can promise you.

>>7628442 (OP)
whats wrong with being a useless eater?

>>7628454
In general, they are better and more finished than when you first started making these kinds of threads. So there's that

>>7628442 (OP)
Throw in the towel on what ? Drawing or trying to make it drawing? 2 very different things

>>7628491
Stop larping as some kind of wise expert. It’s annoying as fuck.

>>7628454
Have you tried drawing *actual* anime and trying to make it look as good as you can? This is just lazy slop.

>>7628454
>le quirky colored background
pretty good ngmi indicator.

>>7628515
>draws on eye scorching white
also a good ngmi indicator. I draw on dull yellow/orange hues myself.

>>7628464
NTA but if doing art here means employing yourself, it's infinitely better than the standard humiliation ritual of an office job. Just being able to work from anywhere is invaluable, especially as most office workers are actual slaves that can't even do remote. Then the benefit of removing the mental overhead of having to kiss some managers ass and the forced buddying up with coworkers that are similar failures that don't have leverage to be doing something else with their lives. You can also build a brand and create compounding value instead of creating that value for your boss for a flat rate forever. Can go on and on. Though some people like that "security" (secure to never progress), I noped out straight after an internship having seen enough

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>>7628521
Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing pro Japanese illustrators draw on anything but white. Seems like a good pleb filter.

>>7628527
https://x.com/navigavi/status/1939994030336610390
There you go, now can claim to have seen such a thing.

>>7628460
I have no family, fuck a family, nothing good ever came from it as a concept
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>>7628469
Snail improvement is almost worse than none. I don't know, I just expected something else out of life. I am in Thailand right now and it is pretty nice though, arguably better than the states in many ways. I am still a virgin in spite of the many massage parlors but I spend several grueling hours a day doing muay thai followed by drawing in my room. I even made some friends! It isn't too bad, I wish I could keep something like this forever.
>>7628497
Is there a significant difference between doujin bimbo whores and conventional anime? I want to draw like my favorite doujinshi artists, they have the best appeal. I still struggle drawing without reference, this is about the best I can do
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>>7628521
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>>7628562
I went with the different color since I thought it would be easier on my eyes, should I switch back for better gains? I have gotten used to it by now.

>>7628588
You are cope-drawing. Your work looks nothing like doujins, it's lazy and not trying to emulate any sophisticated aesthetic. I'm the guy who gave you the original challenge by the way. I knew you'd still be playing around after all this time. Now is your last chance to show your full strength attempt at a copy of either: 1) an illustration in your favorite style, 2) an anime settei or you will be permabeg'd forever.

>>7628523
Never forget that the grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side of the fence. No matter what.
We're posting in a schizo thread anyway.

>>7628608
brootal mogging. In that case I am a truly failed artist. Perhaps I should invest more time and energy in trying for a fight career then. I will oblige and draw the best imitation I can muster, but it will likely be as if a 45 year old virginal man tried to finally lose it with a hooker, only for it to be too little too late with his flaccid member failing to erect and perform, and truly not even wanting to at that point in the first place.
>>7628645
I am not schizophrenic, unless you mean schizoid, which I am. Or do you mean it is impossible for me to make it?

>>7628451
Which is it? Is it a clowes comic? I recognize it but can't place it

>>7628681
You are not necessarily a failed artist. You merely had wrong ideals that lead you down a wrong path. What you did would never work for anyone so it's not necessarily reflective of a personal flaw, but a worldview flaw. If you want to be a legit anime artist you need to - refine your tastes and be part of the culture, watch anime, read manga, read VNs and LNs, listen to anime music, watch interviews and other adjacent content. Otherwise you're just flailing around in the dark, hoping that your pen strokes somehow hit the aesthetic developed through countless hours of purposeful refinement. It's like learning a language but never engaging with native texts and being content to speak in some pidgin ebonics variant of it.
>I will oblige and draw the best imitation I can muster
I'm awaiting it.

>>7628515
what a stupid thing to bring up

>>7628442 (OP)
I don't get it.

>>7628442 (OP)
What's the sace of the OP image?

I don't care about your whining, I just find the pic funny.

>>7628527
Why do weebs think they know anything about japs?

>>7628496
My advice is really good though

>>7628442 (OP)
You gotta find out. You can only find out by giving it real effort. It's a long road but if you find your "why" you'll figure the "how" out as you go.

Get inspired, find art and artists you really look up to, deconstruct and pick appart, spend time dreaming and allow yourself to be immersed in that creative realm.

When you've honed in on your personal aspirations it's time to work on how to get there. You'd be surprised at how much studying the pros do. At some point they were scribbling too.
Just make sure you don't burn out on studies and that you study things that are relevant to the areas you want to improve.

I started taking art seriously years ago and I've progressed so much more than I did all those years I spent directionless, half-assing doodles. At some point I just told myself "fk it. I'll do it."

For me I want to find out if I have it in me. To see wether I can reach the potential I can see in my own mind and that drives me forward. Don't have many people who believe in me but luckily for me I don't need their validation.

Guess you just have to find a reason and truly commit to find out. I imagine if you won't then that in itself could be just as- if not more painful. Looking back at all that wasted time and wondering how things could have panned out if you made that conscious choice all those years ago.

Also if you're in your 20's then gogogo. Even late 20's. It's not too late and far from over.

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>>7628454
here's the plan....use paintool sai to draw line art.... Set the brush to s4. Keep drawing,.

>>7628454
Where people fail with art nowadays is they forget the golden rule:

"Always keep them clucking."

>>7628442 (OP)

desu as long as there are people trying to demoralize artists I have all the reason to continue if only to spite them

>>7628442 (OP)
NEVER EVER! I've been here on this board for 10+ years, since i was an underage summerfag and now i'm in my mid 20s. 90% of my artwork is shit, my god, i should have been good by now, i practically draw every day! sometime when the stars align, I create something that shocks me at how decent it looks, it's still /beg/ work, but it's amazing my mind. i can taste sweet success in my mouth, but like my 9th grade math teacher used to tell me, so close, yet so far. i'm so dam close to breaking the curse.

Just keep drawing. eventually it will hit you, you will start to get things. you just got to keep drawing, we all picked up the pencil for a reason, the biggest dishonor you can make right now is to put it down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgz1KNVMaUU

>>7628588
>I spend several grueling hours a day doing muay thai followed by drawing in my room.
I dub you IRON FIST

honestly? what do you do when you've tried it all?
the economy is shit
no relationships
art just feels more and more of a pipe dream
the day job brings no meaning, and i'm not sure if i can find one that will
going back to school just feels like it'll go nowhere

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>>7628731
Arigato gozaimouse for humoring my histrionic behaviours. I had a borderline psychedelic experience last night and realized I have been treating my life somewhat poorly, and living it somewhat inauthentically. I realized I must try harder and commit harder to following through on things, whether it's combat sports or drawing. I realized I just need to keep putting one foot in front of the other and to keep chasing my ideals like a retard because I'm too hopelessly romantic to be a cringe cubicle cuck like a normie. I will do my best going forward, and also try to be more accepting of my flaws when I do mess up.

By the way, does anyone have that vertical screencap of Kim Jung Gi (RIP) talking about perseverance and how art should be like a steadily rising stock investment?

>>7632735
That's the spirit! Happy to have maybe played a small part in you coming to that realization.

And yeah definitely relatable. 9-5 people in general are draining company to say the least. If I had to structure my life around them I know from prior experience that I would again lose my sense of self and go down the path of self destruction. The monotony of their inner worlds, no higher aspirations, superficiality, jealousy and hyper-competitiveness. I've seen what it does to people and I can't stand it. I'd rather compete with myself instead of being in the midst of whatever that is..
I'm in a very similiar boat myself. It's the sunk cost fallacy coupled with having a troubled past and having fewer and fewer social connections. You're definitely not alone in this.

Very much agree with not being too hard on oneself. All of these hypotheticals and our own inner critic can be very loud at times. Especially for artists.
Before bed, late at night, when my energy is low is when I usually start spiraling into self-doubt. At that point I just tune out, do some scribbling, play games, guitar, youtube. Just allowing myself to be a consumer or drift without a clear goal for a while. Tuning out essentially.
I've learned to cope with my own ambivalent feelings by understanding that whatever I feel about it right now will change if not today then tomorrow. Usually within the hour I see things differently again. Allowing myself to experience those emotion but not identifying with them/ being sceptical to their validity and being open to what comes next.

Being a creative is not easy but it's also rewarding. Especially when you're actively immersed in it. Can almost feel like fate or that you're exactly where you're supposed to be. It's in those moments of clarity where you can feel and see the possibilities laid out before you.
The world will find a thousand ways to bring you down and poke holes in those dreams but don't let it. Good luck out there.

>>7628442 (OP)

i've pretty much figured out that i'll always suck, but that doesn't mean i stop drawing and trying new things. 3D modeling is great if you suck with your hands because blender is all just technical knowledge and there's plenty of help on youtube and with ChatGPT.

you can always have a day job (i recommend it unless you're god-tier), and you can always commission artists if you have the cash. in fact, commissioning art online has really taken off the pressure i put on myself for "doing good" because i know that my performance won't stop me from getting my ideas made.