>people keeps saying you should use references when drawing to make your work look better
>drawabox says not to use references if you're not sure how something looks
Fucking which one is it

>>drawabox says not to use references if you're not sure how something looks
where does it say this

>>7632747 (OP)
>drawabox says not to use references if you're not sure how something looks
no he doesn't, you must have misunderstood him

>>7632750
>>7632755
>Can I use reference during the 50% rule time?
>Like everything else with this rule, it comes back to your intent. Are you reaching for reference because you're afraid of drawing something inaccurately, or wrong? If the motivation behind it is fear, then no. Face your fear, draw it without reference.

>>7632747 (OP)
>>7632768
Don't listen to Irshad

>>7632768
Your reading comprehension is very poor. I hope for you own sake that you are trolling.

>>7632768
>Like everything else with this rule, it comes back to your intent. Are you reaching for reference because you're afraid of drawing something inaccurately, or wrong? If the motivation behind it is fear, then no. Face your fear, draw it without reference.

>If however you wouldn't have any issue drawing without the reference, and are just looking to have more tools at your disposal to play with, then go for it. Just make sure that what you're drawing is not in its entirety, just a copy of a reference image. That would be a study, and would fall into the study portion of the 50% rule.

>A good strategy is to first roughly sketch out your idea without reference, so you're forced to make all the decisions as to what goes where, how it's laid out, and so forth. Then, using this sketch, find suitable reference and then redraw it. This will help ensure that the reference itself is not deciding for you what you should be drawing. The control should be in your hands, and the choices should be yours.

>At the end of the day, there is nothing wrong with using reference in general — what the 50% rule focuses on however is breaking down the barriers we put in our way because we're afraid, because we're anxious, and because we don't want to make mistakes.

he's saying you shouldn't strictly copy a reference when you're drawing from imagination or doodling or whatever so you can apply what you learn in your studies
like if you're drawing a portrait of a character you should be able to put features and proportions of the face down without a reference, then you can check reference if there's details you wouldn't remember unless you've drawn the character already. separately, maybe if your goal is to be able to draw this character for a comic or some shit, you should be able to draw these details without a reference.
drawabox is extremely retarded and useless for improvement but not that retarded

>>7632789
I disagree. I think it's very good for pre/beg/s judging by how many shitty boxes I see people draw in this board. If you can't even draw a proper box, how would you expect to draw anything properly?

>>7632794
i mean yes but you don’t need 250 fucking drawings of boxes to figure that out, either way starting prebegs out with rigorous homework like that is a surefire way to kill motivation if they don’t want to apply boxes in their art

>>7632747 (OP)

the key is to use multiple references and photobash them so that your art doesn't look like a copy of any one thing. also you're supposed to copy poses and proportions, not 1:1 characters.

>>7632747 (OP)
>Follow some random site or real working artists
Fucking which one is it OP?

>>7632768
what he's saying is that you should try to draw without reference (using your imagination) before using reference

absolute beginner and newfaggot to drawing here.
this course was the best thing I did and still doing.

>>7632802
It's rigorous homework if they're stupid enough to do it all in one go instead of doing a few per day as warm up

>>7633056
it wouldn't be homework if you could do it all in one go. all i'm saying is that mindless repetition that isn't fun and doesn't teach you anything is bad, especially the kind that can take months to finish

>>7633149
It's not mindless repetition though. It's being aware of forms through repetition. That's why you check the vanishing points of your boxes after you draw them. Some /beg/s just cannot see 3D in a 2D canvas and this helps them build that intuition. You can be done with the whole thing in 2 months with a pretty relaxed pace.

>>7632768
um... thats not what facing fears is for. fear is when you feel like running away or not being there. Lets say you are walking home late at night in a not great neighborhood, and you feel imminently afraid that someone might mug you. Facing your fears is picking up a rock, preparing to attack anyone that jumps you. Immediately all the fear goes away. its weird, it flushes out of your system, and you're simply not afraid at all anymore. Makes you understand why those middle east people were still able to fight back against the americans. if you face your fear, you stop feeling afraid and become brave.

this phenomena does not apply to drawing in any way at all I don't think. who the heck is afraid or even anxious while drawing? its perfectly fine to have limitations, because there will always be things you can't do outside your comfort zone, telling people to do that... that's not facing your fears, thats telling people to continuously and always do everything you're the worst at, which is the most horrible dogshit advice you can give someone. Um, you're actually supposed to be playing to your strengths, not playing to your weaknesses. Like you're literally just sabotaging your drawings for no reason. There are just too many things you can't do, too many things you aren't even supposed to be able to be good at, its just a completely unreasonable standard.

I bet you don't even want to draw everything, you want to mainly do what you love the most, right? if you did what you were best at, you'd actually improve a lot faster, because then you'd actually be doing what you loved, and naturally will draw more, and it would be easier, and you'd actually get some success.

Its like if alexander the great chose the all worst strategies that make things more difficult for his army for "practice" reasons, like nigger, the reason why he's "the great" is because he just spammed hammer and anvil every time and won. They're actually all just playing to their strengths.

>>7632954
and then use reference to see what you got right/wrong and learn from that.

>>7637474
How much references do you need to draw a box

>>7633504
you're getting it backwards, the idea is to face your fears if the thing you want to draw is outside your comfort zone
which is reasonable tbqh

>>7642704
How fearsome a box could possibly be?

>>7632768
Is Irshad genuinely retarded?

>>7632747 (OP)
fuck drawabox read this and draw from life instead

>>7632747 (OP)
If you want to do Proko kangaroos always use reference, if not try to rely on it less.
On the first try, go without refs.
Then use it to check what you fucked up.

>>7632747 (OP)
who gives a shit just do peter han's course instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f312sDwg770