Thread 7633943

This is a thread for you to show everyone how far you have come along on your art journey.

It might also be useful for newbies to gauge how slow skill is acquired so they don't feel bad for not making instant gains.

This is a safe space for artist so feel free to share to your heart's content!

>>7633943 (OP)
>This is a thread for you to show everyone how far you have come along on your art journey.
No its not, this is a thread for laughing at the beginners and calling everything that looks remotely decent AI or fake and gay.
Fuck off.

>>7633943 (OP)
I feel like you made this thread just to laugh at that guy in the OP.

>>7633950
this

>>7633950
And?

>>7633950
its pretty funny

>>7633943 (OP)
Fuck it I'll bite

>>7633943 (OP)
A little over a years worth of progress, today was one of my off days sadly

>>7634007
Is the square eye she got goin on like a power trait or something. Either way nice progress

>>7634000
Bro where did her ass go.

>>7634012
Nah she got possessed by a demon who watches what’s going on through that eye
Also thank you dude

>>7634014
Fat transplant to Daisy

Pics art doesn’t make good collages so I’ll just post them separately. I’ve come a reallyyy long way in terms of life drawing. Pic rel is one i did at my uni during the fall semester, second is one i did about a month or so ago

>>7634000
It's kind of sad seeing someone lose their innocence like that.

>>7634030
I wont give a TMI post, but I assure you my innocence was long gone before 2013. If anything Im making more innocent art now then I ever did, but that shit is OC so I dont bother posting that stuff often. Plus pic on the right was just a /v/ request and it was convenient to post cause it reminded me I drew Peach in the past. Trust me I attempted to do the whole NSFW artist thing and I just dont have the will to do it aside from the occasional request on here to make an anons day.

I haven't drawn as much as I wanted to this year, but at least I can see improvement even if its not as much as I would like

>>7634063
How did you go from knowing how to draw hands to having no fucking clue what a hand is supposed to look like?

>>7634066
it was a direct decision to trigger you, was a long game but worth it

>>7634063
I can see you are able to push your gestures and make good use of different angles, plus you have very fun designs. Impressive, very nice.
HOWEVER, I feel you are losing your cute tummy gains that you had going on in 2024 in that last drawing right there, I would work on that again.

>>7633943 (OP)
It's been an arduous year. I have only drew seminude women until now, maybe I should start branching out.

>>7634091
You went from drawing floating heads to drawing half the body, which is good. Start drawing the whole body now

left side is 2024 (mostly), right is 2025

>>7634026
>>7634028
These are cool. You've kept your bold inky style while improving your proportions and ability to draw in perspective. :~)

I suck so much, maybe I need darker tones, 6b just doesn't do the job....

>>7634106
you actually have a good grasp of shading, but yes, you need darker colors for contrast. if 6b doesn't work try using charcoal or something
also this is totally opinion and not actually constructive but draw prettier people gawd dayum nobody wants to see fucking gary busey
the twink in the middle actually looks really good though

>>7634109
it is supposed to be cristopher lee

>>7634112
I don't want to sound like an unhelpful dick, but that doesn't look like Christopher Lee. I can see the vampire fangs but I 100% thought it was Gary Busey. His prominent philtrum is nonexistent. The depth of his brow isn't there. The good news is I genuinely believe you are capable of making a fantastic portrait of Christopher Lee. Just do it again. I would focus on proportion and shading. You are genuinely going to make it dude. Do not get discouraged.

>>7634114
I don't it doesn't look like cristopher lee, don't worry I won't quit

>>7634118
we're all going to make it, dude.

>>7634106
Don't buy anything, don't fool yourself you're unable to make to make a tonal bar.
Don't fall for the illusion that better art supplies are going to help you improve when all you have is a skill issue and an unwillingness to fucking study.

>>7634104
Thanks anon. Yeah, gotta stick to the pen. I also did lots of perspective studies in between so it’s good that it’s showing

>>7634106
Middle looks good. Work on values by establishing a value scale, and darken your darks. Get sketch paper,Study from life and study loomis.

>>7634128
Ive studied enough to understant that I need darker values, however 6b is not cutting it. All these guys on youtube use charcoal, 12b or prisma color of the darkest tones, I jstvcant achieve them with 6b.

>>7634000
Genuinely, how do people manage to get stuck at higher beg stages for 5+ years and how do I avoid this fate?

>>7634150
Keep posting on /ic/ bro, if you never draw you'll never be a /beg/

>>7634063
You got worse.

before and after finishing drawabox

>>7634100
I like the frog drawing and bird on right, but I feel like this image gives off like you aren't really focusing in your drawings, they come off as rushed and not deliberately thought out. Like the most high effort ones are the frog one and even that stinky Watamote bitch, cause as crude as she looks I can see you deliberately tring to get a likeness, whereas in that little life study drawing you did it looks half asked and your not focusing seriously which leads to subpar results. Even the portrait where I could see the effort in rendering I don't see it in the actual under drawing doesn't look that great with the generic eye shape, no hard edges on the bridge of the nose, how you cut off the portrait into one blob mass, it just feels unfocused.
It's hard to give advice to fix this cause my genuine recommendation is to do like homework. Like doing a completed drawing a day or something. It can be recreation of a piece, some figure studies, an anime character like you've done previously, but like try to make a good attempt it. Like give yourself an hour to lock into your subject. The drawings don't have to be detailed, not asking for that, but think about the mechanics of gesture and form to make more deliberate work.

>>7634063
It's better. There are many anons on this board who seem to lack object permanence and think that because you didn't draw a cutesy girl in the after pictures it means you can't draw them anymore.

>>7634168
ty u right
the lack of contrast in my portrait was the. biggest complaint, which is why in my newest drawing (the Achaemenid one) im trying to make sure I make use of stronger contrast and be a bit more BOLD and BRASH
tbf to myself the blob was just a fun little cutoff point for my upper body because I didn’t want to paint my entire chest and upper torso
thanks for the actual useful critique though I can tell it’s good faith and not some shitter random nitpick

>>7634091
getting better, i like the clothes on the last girl
>>7634100
i recognize some of your work from beg, nice progress. really like the bird on the right.
>>7634164
i dont know if youre memeing about draw a box but very nice progress, good perspective as well

as for me, started in sept last year, drawing around 4-5 hours a day has led me to where i am now. not as good as i'd like to be but at least i can make acceptable things now

I reached perfection

>>7634007
you got way better, also nice style.

>>7634063
Really nice birdview, huge jump from 2024.I'm always scared of poses like that haha.

>>7634091
That's really good progress anon, keep it up!

>>7634100
>>7634164
>>7634243
For one year it's impressive af anons. Inspiring stuff.


I'm slow at learning but it's going forward. Drawing way more than ever currently, hope it will show results soon.

>>7634095
heh, maybe in another year!

>>7634301
Thank you anon
I like your style too, you’ve made really noticeable progress

>>7634301
Thank you!
Nice to see your early work. I love your rendering now, very impressive!

>>7634243
Legitimately impressive, anything you found exceptionally helpful outside of the fucking crazy amount of drawing?

>>7634164
Sick af, I can see where your priorities lie

>>7634158
In some ways I agree, being an grown ass man with grown ass responsibilities sucks

I haven't improved much. 19 months apart.

>>7634424
>anything you found exceptionally helpful outside of the fucking crazy amount of drawing?
Personally, drawing characters I really like helped. Other than that, not much, I didn't study anything in particular or did any courses. Just copied stuff. Lately I've been trying my hand at gesture and figure drawing but I didn't do that at all when I started. Sorry I can't be of more use

Sometimes I look at old drawings and think "I wouldn't bother making this today". I guess I've become less creative in a way and definitely less horny

>>7634520
It's all good, "Drawing 4 hours a day and autism" is equally valid advice my man, I really should internalize that

:3

>>7634535
HOLY SEXOOOOO

>>7634140
In the other hand what you've showed us is that you probably don't know how to sharpen your pencils correctly or how to grip the pencil even, so I insist you must keep learning because a new pencil isn't going to magically fix your work since you have deeper basic issues that have nothing to do with the pencil you use.

>>7634588
please post blog/social i love this so much

>>7634588
Solid progress, you went from mid-beg to low-int in such a short time. Congrats"

>>7634164
i like dis


>>7634588
this looks so cool

>>7634000
I refuse to believe this is 23 years. The background and bike look good but the girl looks so fucking bad for 12 years

>>7634655
I dont see the issue
12 years arent 12 years, maybe the guy skipped a couple years
maybe he draws once a week or month until a year or two ago

I feel like everyone should be good after 10+ years of active effort but the common scenario is that those years are filled with long breaks or only doing comfort zone shit instead of doing the things that make you feel bad for actual improvement

>>7634063
Why does the 2025 guys head show a completely different skill level from his body?
The body looks skillfully done, good pose and shading but the head is not good
I feel like you should work on your heads, in the 2024 drawing the head and hat are also the weakness while everything else is pretty good altough the 2025 sketch head is the best one here so youre already doing that

not mine but I saw this on twitter is it actually an improvement

>>7634529
>Drawing 4 hours a day and autism
Never said autism but you are not wrong kek

>>7634637
Mid beg to low int? Why do you people have to crab so hard.
>>7634676
Yes, it's a much better understanding of form.

>>7634637
>>7634588
Judging by the manga panels hes already pro level, I've seen worse manga looking manga get published
And his 2022 stuff is already better than most people on /ic/

>>7634613
thank you, check @hanameru_ for my socials
>>7634692
>Judging by the manga panels hes already pro level, I've seen worse manga looking manga get published
aahh thank you that's very kind, but I'm far from being pro level even at the top of my game

>>7634676
that person is hamming it up in the description but it's better

>>7634700
any particular artists or books you'd recommend that helped you the most?

>>7634848
How does one avoid this?

>>7634864
dont get addicted to porn and push yourself to make art with subject matter outside of your comfort zone

>>7634878
how do you know they've drawn porn

>>7634588
This is amazing anon. I see that Paul Richer, huge W

>>7634684
Anons here are looking for fully rendered/painted works like pic rel because it's a culmination of all your artistic abilities. Ink and sketch cant impress people as much unless you're the next David Finch.

>>7634675
Yeah my heads suck ass, it doesn't help that I haven't really practiced any stylization either. Pic rel are some study heads, I feel like they're better than the stylized ones at least

>>7634962
thdark was an inspiration but his feed turned into one hell of a bummer. Did he ever actually start posting art again and stop sad posting?

>>7634929
its known

same character in a tabletop game ive been playing in since 2020

First drawing, drew for like 2 months then gave up. Picked up drawing again this year and pretty happy with the progress atm.

>>7635194
How much time between the two? Also nice improvement - good to see anons working on their backgrounds and not just people as well.

>>7635197
2 years or so, I was a big howie and everything was confusing, so gave up after two months. I picked up drawing again this year on Jan and started from 0, been just following the book I have without questioning much also.

>>7633943 (OP)
Not as much as I should have if I had taken studies seriously and applied myself more. Stagnated in some areas but I think I've definitely gotten better with consistency and speed. With the stuff I've drawn this year taking half or a quarter of the time as the stuff in 2023.

Hopefully in the next couple of years I can really push out of my comfort zone and apply myself better.

>>7634007
Nice work man. Really like where you've taken the style. But it feels like you've definitely made progress in rendering, linework and design/anatomy.

>>7634055
Picrel is very cute. Yours?

>>7634063
I definitely prefer 23 over 24 in terms of style. But it looks like you were really trying to push out of a comfort zone. 25 is a definite improvement tho and I'm envious.

I would love to see stuff with the skill level of the 25's with the rendering/colour style of the 23 piece.

>>7634684
Devils advocate but 'low int' really is nothbing to scoff at.

>>7635179
Very nice. You've managed to keep your style while refining it. Have you noticed much of a difference in speed?

Also I feel a little bad saying this but I prefer the rendering style of your "mid 2020" pieces over your most recent one. Not that it's bad but I just think the other style is more interesting.

>>7634091
>>7634100
Solid work guys. Keep it up!

>>7634164
>>7634588 (bloggu?)
>>7635194
I kneel, my Kings.

>>7634243
You continuing to succeed is a net benefit for me.

>>7635166
Very good progress man. Solid as fuck.

>>7634301
Thank you for posting this. I legitimately thought you started drawing like 2 years ago. Regardless you're an inspiration.

>>7633943 (OP)
i'm impressed with the legs I drew today, and starting to play with different blending modes.

kicking myself for stopping art through my 20s.

>>7634000
In 12 years, you developed a porn addiction.

>>7634975
>Did he ever actually start posting art again and stop sad posting?
he does post art and doesn't sad post much that I've seen. mostly he just posts about gundam and 80s tech

>>7634962
>>7634975
>>7635293
It's crazy how he wasn't able to leverage his skills to get an industry job.

Hell, even just finding a little indie game studio could have been his foot in the door. And if the game did well he could be set.

>>7634655
>>7634666
>>7635288
Jesus Christ right pic was just a request for some anon on /v/ why am I getting clowned on so fucking hard on for it? I didnt expect a fucking tame ass nude drawing to trigger so many of you niggers ON A FUCKING RED BOARD. I didnt know crabs were also fucking prudes too

>>7635385
>why am I getting clowned on so fucking hard on for it?
you havent shown a single sign of actually improving your art by the smallest amount in that huge amount of time, which is impressive, honestly. like you would have to try to do that bad. this isnt me saying self improvement should be every artist's end goal, but jesus lol
>fucking prudes
its not that its porn. its ugly ass porn.

>>7635385
I'd be surprised if you were the OP and not just someone stoking drama but

>>7635389
>you havent shown a single sign of actually improving your art by the smallest amount in that huge amount of time

is wrong. There's clearly improvement between the two. Like the start of "Yeah, I used to draw a bit in highchool on and off but now that I'm 20 I'm taking it seriously" kinda stuff.

>>7633943 (OP)
Tbh i don't have any finished projects yet because im learning so i draw something, save it half finished and keep learning and drawing.

>>7633943 (OP)
A little more than half a year of progress.
Feel like I've pretty much stagnated since April. Got better in some stuff, worse in other.
Tbf, I think I was just spinning my wheels these last few months, so it makes sense.
Also got way less ambitious with the things I've drawn which sucks to realize

>>7634639
Nice progress. I've seen you around a bit, any reasons for the monkey obsession?

>>7635166
Crazy progress man.

>>7635251
Speedgains are nice. Can easily compound your gains. And the poses are better as well, so I think you got better overall

>>7635416
I get it, but I'd still say there's merit to finish something from time to time. Just to have a display of your "peak" to look back on if nothing else.
Good progress though

>>7635385
>>7635404
samefag
also critique is not being a crab, that would imply that you're gmi

>>7633943 (OP)
The thread we make fun of literally autistic people minding their own business on some god forsaken website

>>7634708
for figure drawing and anatomy nothing has helped me as much as Vilppu+Scott Eaton did, as someone mentioned Paul Richer is also cool but it's kind of useless without having someone spelling it out for you.
I'm no perspective wiz but I think the best resource for it is How to Draw and it's not even close, there's this book called Space Drawing Perspective by Dongho Kim that focuses more on drawing backgrounds if you can't stand Roberson's autism but be warned, it doesn't teach anything in 230 pages than How to Draw doesn't explain in 1 chapter and better.

>>7634962
this is really good

started grinding art while I was in highschool

>>7635654
This is really cool anon! You kept your grit while improving a lot with the form in just a few years.

>>7635463
thanksies,
i just really like wukong, or rather great sages broken shell from black myth wukong
i draw other things too like hollow knight but its far less

>>7635463
Yours is better mine is mostly copying and like barely catching upon few basic shit but if you ask me i better start studying anatomy or i will hit wall soon but thanks anyway for the response im glad somebody looked at it at least.

>>7635385
Sounds like you're used to /v/, where being able to draw a stick figure will get you showered with praise. Yes, normies outside of a hobby are impressed by anything. My friends in high school thought I was literally Jimmy Hendrix for learning blues scales.

>HURR PRUDES TRIGGERED BY NUDITY
Are you retarded? Who complained about the nudity? We literally have a loli general and a sex general, among others. People are commenting because her body is fucking ugly as fuck, big time. And for 12 years it looks more like 1 drawing a year for 12 years.

>>7634975
Damn that's crazy, I've only been drawing a month and your heads look like mine. But everything else you draw is 10x better. You gotta work on that dog

>>7634091
stop drawing nothing but anime and you will improve way faster

>>7635654
I find it hilarious how fast people like you, who draw primarily men, improve. Meanwhile people who draw nothing but pinup whores take forever to make gains. You're cruising anon, you're in early pro territory

>>7635782
How fucking long is not fast if 4 years is fast for this improvement? 10 years? The existence of permabegschizo and it's consequences on gauging improvement have been a disaster for /ic/

>>7635829
>>7635782
>compliments anon's admittedly impressive growth but still makes it weirdly negative/misogynistic
>anon spergs out over the compliment, somehow getting offended by the praise portion of that post
sasuga /ic/

>>7635829
Anon that sentence structure is so poor, I have no clue what you're asking me. I guess I'll just elborate on what I said?
>>7635654
This guy improved really quickly. You can tell he draws what he finds cool and really wants to understand what he's doing. The coomer crowd on /ic/ don't have this, they draw what makes their dick hard. They don't give a fuck about getting better, unless it's a "secret fast-track" method. That's why you see so many pinups here of anime girls where the ass and tits are very well done, but everything else is just terrible.

>>7635880
>misogynistic
How is it misogynistic lmao It has nothing to do with the gender of the artist? I'm saying he improved fast because he drew men, aka things he thinks are cool, vs just drawing boobies and butts because pp hard

>>7635782
>he improved a lot quickly
true
>early pro
anon...

>>7635888
Seethe begtard, he's extremely good and from what it sounds, still fresh outta high school. I'm sorry you're still stuck on loomis in your mid 30s.

>>7635891
i'm 23. and he'd doing well, but only a beg would sincerely think that's anywhere close to pro

>>7635886
>it has nothing to do with the gender, I only said people only improve when drawing MEN and not when drawing WOMEN
(you)

>>7635888
trips wasted on pointless envy

>>7635899
do you think the only skill levels are permabeg and pro

>>7635895
>conveniently ignores the point, instead tries to force a gender issue
Trump won.
>>7635893
Only a beg would think "he'd doing well". Seethe Rajesh, he's light years ahead of you.

>>7635893
also i'm trans if that matters

>>7635908
do you think "he's doing well" is an insult? can you explain your logic?

>>7635910
Hi kman you didn't strike me as a tranny but I accept it.

>>7635782
>Meanwhile people who draw nothing but pinup whores take forever to make gains
Way to disregard some of the anons who have posted progress here.

>>7635924
How much more simple can I make it anon
>drawing with intent, SOVL, inner desire to create and express: lightspeed gains
>drawing only things that make you horny and ignoring everything else: slow gains
I'm sorry this triggers you, it was not intended to. The truth hurts sometimes believe me
>>7635912
If someone is doing something objectively incredible, yes, it's insulting to dull the "compliment" several notches down.
>fat guy loses 100 lbs
>he did well but not incredible
>musician sells 1000 copies
>yeah he's great but i mean come on he's not pro or anything

>>7635942
(intent, soul, inner desire to create and express) and (horny) are not mutually exclusive, I don't know where you got his from. If anything all of those things go hand in hand most of the time.

Also favela anon sole existence proves your whole point wrong.

>>7635942
>musician sells 1000 copies
>yeah he's great but i mean come on he's not pro or anything
so you agree he isn't pro even by your own criteria?

>>7635908
>trump won
only reply recucklicans have

>>7635908
What point? That you're unable to complement someone without injecting your weird personal politics?

here's 3 different pieces of mine 4 months apart from each other

2020 vs 2025

>>7636424
Digital can be hard. Good progress on color

>>7635471
What fucking critiques? All the replies to my pic are either psycho analyzing my character or just saying that what I drew was shit. Not even the meme "Read Loomis" shit. I havent learned anything from these interactions other then to just stop giving you fags (You)'s. Heres a last freebie one

>>7635984
You gotta post the actual time frame you drew your pics anon. Either way my advice would be to not focus on rendering and focus on the actual drawing aspect. Finish drawing your forms, what I get from looking at these two is you quickly slap on color to a rushed sketch but arent focusing on the actual form of the subject. Im gonna assume right pic is the newest one cause the rendering is better, but the same issue of it being this sort of awkward bust of a character shows you arent focusing on the actual drawing underneath. Try doing something more like pic related. Not the character itself but do simple linearts that focus on the form itself and forget rendering(but if you must cause I know color gets more (You)'s do just flat colors) cause thats where you need the improvement.

>>7636320
Your rendering and gesture/form have improved quite nicely. Id recommend if you havent already try having more then one character in a piece if you havent, spice up your composition that way.

>>7636424
Being able to have characters/subjects interact with each other is actually a real good sign of improvement anon. Very nice. Id just say try to vary your color pallete. I like the general texture of whatever brush your using but the colors themselves all lean towards the same dark tone that can make it hard to read.

>>7635265
SO V L vs soulless

>>7636732
explain

>>7636735
I wish people would also post how long they spent on each of those. If the left took 2 days and the right took 15 minutes that'd still be a pretty dramatic improvement despite them being virtually the same image, right?

>>7636734
Bro one is a kid wearing a fucking jetpack flying into adventure and the other is a representation of the sins of the flesh and how humanity will be lost in the darkness of our own making for the sake of self gratification.
For me its cool kid with a jetpack everyday

>>7636738
One is kid with jetpack because I thought it was cool and the other is a study from a prog-metal music video that I thought was cool.
I rarely draw things I don't think are cool.

>>7634864
Look at what you like about your art and see how you can lean into it. Look at what you don't like about your art and see what can be done to change it to be more like the things you like about your art.
Like your art and compartmentalize each aspect of it that you'd like to improve. Have a clearer goal that you'd like to aim towards.

>>7636734
Left one has that whimsical, nostalgic, innocent KINO DOGME 2000s deviantART S O V L, right one is a soulless, generic study. Yes, you perfected shading and lighting but at what cost?

>>7636746
Idk, I think you're reading into it a bit too much. I don't think anyone should consider a tricky figure drawing piece negatively. Thank you for saying I perfected shading and lighting though!

>>7636739
Nah yeah I get ya just horsing around is all

>>7635884
lol it was a bit choppy but if you're esl just get chatgpt to drip feed the text for you. Empty compliments help no one, it's a critique board at the end of the day. People go pro in a timespan of 4 years. Getting the figure in perspective and applying 2 tone shading is year 1 stuff if you aren't planning to take two decades to be good. Depending on goals it's fine but saying it's fast is just disingenuous

>>7635880
Learn to read context, maybe the fastness part of the post also relates to the diss on people who draw women, hmm? Rub those neurons together

>>7636867
If you're going to whine about reading comprehension I suggest you obtain some first.

>>7636889
Ahh the classic "no you" disengage. Go fuck yourself too

>>7636867
>People go pro in a timespan of 4 years. Getting the figure in perspective and applying 2 tone shading is year 1 stuff if you aren't planning to take two decades to be good. Depending on goals it's fine but saying it's fast is just disingenuous
why do begs larp like they are 50 year industry vets lmao bro you literally don't know anything

>>7636895
Mind sharing your knowledge mr industry vet?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RSdcWULcyec
>he is an outlier
not really, just well documented
>he must've studied 24/7
no he worked fulltime

any more questions?

June 25 2025 vs July 5 2025. Trying to learn again after years but I'm actually trying to do it properly this time

>>7635782
>>7635659
thanks guys, and I learned female anatomy in a span of about 2 years, was too critical with it so I was always to afraid to draw women but I just decided to quit bitching about it and start drawing anyway

>>7635893
you're right I'm not a pro brah, trying to get better still

>>7635915
that was some other dude who said that

fellas stop crabbing and make cool art, I improved because I have genuine love for the game, I'm still not at a level I want to be at. My advice is that everytime you get mogged take it as fuel to get better and study their art instead, so that you can get to their level. Only weird thing I do with art is I don't do study sheets, I try to make a sketch, scene or character

>>7636982
try the moderndayjames bridgman videos to understand linework, you don't need to study the book, I never did, just watch the videos once or twice

there are some ethan becker videos on using simple shapes for gesture and one specifically for hands, he's annoying but his videos are good

proko videos on gesture with that one dude everyone shits on, all gesture really is is how gravity shifts through the body during an action or standing pose, its mostly defining the shapes of the body in a zigzag pattern, big example of this is the connection of the knee to the shin, you can see it in all sorts of angles since the body has evolved with gravity

hands are hard to learn once you start, inner line work, using gestural shapes and understanding foreshortening should help with getting better with it, also big thing to do is to look at other art that has good hands and rip them off, my method for using reference is to not to copy 1 to 1 but draw a similar pose at a different angle or add some different aspect to it so there's something to learn

all this is just for line work, colouring is a separate branch, I couldn't help much with that

>>7637016
big thing is studying anatomy and how it functions when stretching, bending, compressing and in perspective, constantly look out for references for anatomy in places like pinterest, twitter etc and go back to it if you're doing a pose that is similar to whatever you've gathered,

perspective is another thing to learn but what you really need to know is just vanishing points, don't do the draw-a-box bullshit because its boring and puts you off drawing, try drawing hard surface things like cars, buildings, mechs, machinery, weapons, all sorts of things that are solid that you find interesting, eventually when you grasp that you can break down human form into shapes in perspective, that just goes back to understanding how anatomy looks from certain angles, like the ribcage knee, trap muscles shoulders, head, go back to looking at references when it becomes difficult

>>7637016
>>7637020
Sweet, thanks for the advice. I'm just working through basic observation skills right now, it's think I'll have a better time relearning stuff like gesture and anatomy now that I'm learning how to actually use my eyes lol

>>7637042
look out for the things I've said, when you see a human figure look out for that zig zag pattern, my advice is learn female and male anatomy at the same pace so you don't have to catch up later on, don't be overly critical of your art and draw things you like

>>7636737
Thats A whole 10 years of no improvement bro, the time it took to draw that trash doesnt matter

getting somewhere i just gotta keep on drawing

>>7637264
Long pauses?

>>7637060
Idk who tf that is but looks to me that the aim was to replicate the original instead of improving it. Any other recent art from the guy?

>>7637274
combination of burn out and having no goal or direction. I did more in 2023 and especially 2024, mostly boring stuff

>>7637264
Good progress and you maintained your appeal
>>7637066
BIg improooov on alot of things here, good work

I know I have improved, but not as much as I would have wanted to.

>>7634000
Pretty obvious that you improved a lot

>>7634075
i-is that y-yours?

>>7634588
I want to kill myself.
How do some improve so fucking much so fast in so little time?
Legit pro tier in a couple years while some fuckers just never make it out of autistic deviantart shit.

>>7635208
What book? Really did you go from prebeg to that level with just one book and a single year?

>>7638404
Bruh its a 4chan filename what do you think?
If you need a name though image search says bubukka

>>7634975
ngl you'd improve drastically by just spending a month doing value studies
your head constructions are plenty serviceable, but the shading that describes the form is muddy and lacking definite shape edges, and when you do have defined shadow shapes (top middle), they're unrefined and splotchy
all of the other small issues in construction can be fixed with perspective practice and more patience (eg pupil/eye alignments get a little wonky/look like lazy eyes) but value studies and the basics of edge control would elevate your work quickly
also, don't hatch with when you're effectively working with digital charcoal - you should consider blending out your tones for now. you can get fancier when your tonal shapes are more consistent, but the hatching marks with what look like a round brush larger than what you'd usually expect for hatching, like a pen or fine tip pencil, really add to the splotchy effect i'm describing

the last time I got tricked into posting in one of these threads people ripped into my lack of improvement so hard that I gave up drawing for months

>>7638749
if you give up because of mean comments you were ngmi anyway

>>7638757
no shit anon I had no idea

>>7638419
4chan filename bro thats a unix timestamp sob sob

>>7638412
Yeah, I have a twitter where I try to upload often and my discord with friends where I do the same. I try to find people to draw with on vc and stream on discord but no one really wants to draw lol.

The book is The Complete Guide to Drawing Manga Anime (Date Naoto). Is pretty good tho it says you can draw in 90 days but it has taken me longer because some stuff was too difficult to grasp at first and had to give it monre attempts.

>>7638829
>>7636735
Proof you should not fall for the stylization meme. Copy anime, calarts or concept art, Pick a lane and stick with it. IRL no one bothers with your art for more than 5 sec no matter how good you are.

>>7639245
stylized art exists anon you just have to learn the rules in order to break them properly

>>7635654
beautiful. we started around the same time but man, you're miles ahead of me. i gotta try harder!

It's actually painful to look at some of my old stuff.

>>7639484
Nah man dont be too hard on yourself, if nothing else its clear you had a sense of imagination and better understanding of composition as opposed to most "cute girl in void" drawings even back then
But either way obvious improvement is obvious, good shit anon. Wish you luck on future drawings

>Seeing anons improve more in 4 months than me in years
Ropemaxxing

came here to say the best thing I ever did for myself was stopped coming here. It's been like 2 years since coming to this board and it's still a worthless cesspool of crab niggers. do yourself a favor and leave.
No, I will not respond to anything after this because I'm fucking off again

>>7639560
See ya in 2 weeks

>>7639528
Whomst've

>>7639560
pyw

>>7639537
so many artists express this sort of thing unironically. it's really sad to me
>they only feel good about their work when tearing someone else down, or watching someone succumb to despair

>>7639655
Name 50 artists who do this
"artists" on /ic/ don't count

I'd consider posting my work since I think I've improved substantially, but I make about 2-3k/month currently and don't want my art associated with 4chan to potentially ruin that.
Maybe I'll draw something just for here later

>>7639661
No one cares about 4chan posts

>>7639656
ALL Artists do this.
Only the /ic/ ones are honest enough to say it to your face.

>>7639671
>ALL Artists do this.
Nice headcanon.

>>7639655
You really think people want to hear you bemoan about how bad you are?

>>7639662
Wish that were true

>>7639683
I make 4k every month and I post here and they know

>>7639684
I don't believe you

>>7639681
no that isn't what I am saying. people really hold a mentality of
>non artists shouldn't even try
>they are never going to make it and are wasting their time
>it's insulting to our craft

>>7639691
And yet you can't name one artist who does this except the artists you made up in your mind.

>>7639691
You're talking about artists like they're a race. No one enjoys it when someone tries to force them to play therapist. If you approach an artist and ask an actual art question, you'll either get help or just get ignored.

>>7639691
Idk about the last one but the first two is valid for anyone taking their skills seriously to be become a professional. Heck I remember seeing the buisness majors in my college would go to class in a suit 24/7. They wont even talk to you if you arent in the same attire. Like they're just college students, none of them have any experience operating a successful business.

>>7639722
I dont know anon, comparing wannabe salarymen to artists is a bit of a leap, not even programmers are that autistic, you might be biased.

>>7639726
Well then if you want to go that route you might as well pyw so you can put your money where your mouth is.

>>7639729
nta but what does being arrogant have to do with being good at drawing, that anon wasn't arguing about him being a good artist or saying anything about a drawing

>>7639740
Off to the pre/beg/ thread with you. Opinion discarded.

>>7639726
All I'm trying to say is that there are trash talkers regardless where you go. People put others down so they feel good or dont get replaced. It's not a thing exclusive to artists.

>>7633943 (OP)
some old stuff I found and doodles from today

>>7638577
Thanks for the feedback. I'm actually working through a perspective 'course' right now and then gonna do heads. For the value studies, do you recommend doing studies on heads or just primitives?

>>7633943 (OP)
some old stuff I found and doodles from today
>>7639761
reposting it in a better pic size

>>7639691
Going up to someone and going "oh I'm so bad I suck blah blah blah" is annoying as fuck. Nobody likes being guilt tripped. You're better off asking how do I get as good as you, many people love talking about themselves

>>7639811
"er idk just keep practicing i guess, anyways i have ibs"

>>7639711
are you heckin' implying people of one specific race are all the same???

>>7639691
who cares what they think? just go draw and prove them wrong

>>7640701
it turns out they were right and it's not that easy...

>>7642216
who is "they"? sounds like youre making excuses to continue to do nothing desu

>>7638411
How are you so mind broke
He was already at very high level back in 2022. He probably has years and years of experience

>>7637066
Top right reminds me of late 00s it even feels nostalgic for some reason. Looks great

>>7639826
unironically, why do so many artists do this when you ask them how they got good?
i'm not good but i feel like i could pretty clearly describe what i had to do to get to my current skill level

>>7642281
being good at something =/= being good at teaching it

>>7633943 (OP)
post pieces of "art" that feel like the picture that op posted, picrel

>>7642292
I refuse to accept this as anything other than bait.

>>7642292
here's one example: >>7634245

>>7642282
yeah but like, they can just say what they actually did starting out instead of some vague shi

>>7642297
unfortunately its not bait, not only that but the person who drew that is none other than puppychan.

>>7642321
>puppychan
qrd?

>>7642311
anon i dont think you understand, using myself as an example, i went from being a 1/10 to a 5/10 just by slamming my head against the wall, no study, no plan, no books, no tutorials, no compass, no nothing, just practicing and copying everything I saw and using references whenever I couldnt force my way through
how should I explain that to someone who asks me? what can I tell them other than "practice"? any other advice would be poisoned because I didnt follow it myself
im sure there are many others like myself

Sadly all my ancient stuff got vaporized along with my dA account.

>>7639655
It's not really about tearing people down. There's a certain kind of person who needs to constantly fish for compliments they really don't otherwise deserve. And it's toxic for everyone involved. It's like when someone asks you if they're ugly. It's not a real question, it's narcissism masquerading as self-deprecation. They can't stand that you're better than them at their special thing, so they guilt you into giving compliments as to bandaid their delusional self-image. Giving in just makes you an enabler of that behavior. It's better to just tell them to fuck off and be done with it.

Also, implying that things being hard makes you want to quit makes me hate you on a purely personal level.

>>7639537
>>7639655
>you're just drawing shit as usual.
>>hello mister I liked your drawing.
>>But noo hoo, I (me) could not get to this level poor ME.
>>I'm (me) SOOOOOOOO bad at drawing, I (me) would never improve in anything.
>>Because I'M (me) just a poor little faggot who can't draw wah wah.
>>You (you) make me to cut my veins because >>MY artwork is sooooooo shit in comparation.
>>I'M soooooooooooo below you
is just narcissism and attentionwhoring disguise as self-pityness

over

>>7642346
and some stuff from today

>>7642333
a cunt on art twitter who got into various drama, you could pinpoint their descent into madness by comparing their old art and their new art.

>>7642346
looks good to me, i think you just need to be more conscious on your eyes especially when drawing them at 3/4 angles

>>7642365
yeah im aware, its something i never ended up figuring out

>>7642337
damn fr? can you pyw? i guess you don't have to but i'm curious
that's fair enough though, genuinely i didn't think anyone taking art seriously could improve like that though

>>7642375
thats the thing, I dont take it "seriously", i let my love for it guide my way, i already reached the limit of how much can i improve with my "method", but i dont really care because i simply enjoy making things, even if the only one that considers them pretty is myself
i consider myself a free soul, taking something seriously takes the fun out of it, and i dont like that, even if i know thats not good if i wanted to improve, its like that with drawing, music making, writing and playing vydia, i do things because i enjoy them, not because i want to be the "best"
anyways heres something i made in a moment of particularly strong inspiration back when i made a cover for yt, prolly my best thing ever, certainly one of my favorites

>>7642371
i still feel pretty /beg/ so i'm not the best to talk about it i think, but as the head rotates the eye rotating further out of view should remain about as tall, but not as a wide, unless there's some serious perspective happening
i have a few little practice examples at the top of this picture that i hope give an idea. i think it's easier with more semi-realistic eyes compared to the typical anime-style eyes you might see that are almost like a rhombus in shape, which gets really weird when trying to alter as it rotates away from the viewer

>>7642383
Nigga you went from prebeg to low beg

>>7642404
chommang!

>>7642404
thanks for sharing

>>7643081
oh no the fetishes combined

>>7643081
What in tarnation

>>7636725
They are about two years apart.
Left pic is November 2023.
Right pic is June 2025.
Yeah, forms are important, that seems like a really useful exercise. Thanks!
This is another recent study.

>>7642383
respectfully i presumed 5/10 artist meant you could at least grasp one fundamental, if you don't think other people would find your art appealing then your case doesn't really apply to what i was saying because nobody would ask you how you got so good

>>7643158
maybe its an outside thing then, because i have been genuinely been asked that by more than a couple of people
i dont know what to think anymore man

>>7634000
Rendering could use some work and the BG seems a bit lazy. Besides those 2, nice work.

I haven't improved in 2 years. I do studies, I try different styles, I try different brushes, but in the end it all looks amateurish and the same. Any workflow tips on how to actually improve?

>>7643467
pyw

>>7643467
Do it in pieces, look at your art and look at art you like and think about what you're lacking. Maybe you think "my faces aren't cute enough." Or "my poses are weak." Pick one thing and pay special attention to it, make it your warm up and don't shy away from it when you do full pieces. And don't move on from it until you feel like you've cracked it.

>>7633943 (OP)
>>7642292

Art block has been a bitch this year and before last but I manage here and there. Feel free to say whatever you want.

>>7644759
Id personally forego the digital crap and focus drawing traditionally. Shit like thinking what brushes are good and focusing on different styles Ive found are just distractions. Just simple paper and pencil that lets you focus on stuff that actually matters like proportion, composition, character interaction is the stuff that really matters. Like look at most mangas and how stripped down they are and only focus on the elements that really matter for storytelling, rendering is a meme.
Also for my money in terms of your progress this pic is misleading cause right just looks like a basic ref sheet, and for that purpose its fine, it works. If you want to imrove more though you gotta do shit like what you did on the left, more pieces that tell a story. The more interesting story moments you come up with in your head the more it can influence your decisions on composition, background elements, use of different angles. Id say your at a point that whatever your actual goal is for making art, you should go for it. I dont know if you wanna do comics or small character pieces like pic related but you shouldnt be waiting for permission, you are only gonna get better by pushing yourself with what ya got

>>7644759
how long are you spending time to draw

blowing you zoomies out.

>>7645479
>>7645475
>>7645474
3d? Blender?

>>7645484
no these are done in zbrush,3D coat, maya, substance painter, and then rendered in UE5

>>7645509
Damn, you had UE5 in 2011?

>>7645519
the last ones are UE 5, the first ones are marmoset toolbag or vray.

>>7634100
Is that adam friedland? my bug friend?

>>7634588
can you post some of your early/first works? I'd really like to see how you started

>>7646688
Fo' sho

>>7637066
blog?

>>7643081
2023 was peak

>>7643819
great stuff man, blog?

>>7646706
really inspiring anon, thank you. I'm gonna go draw

>>7646892
mah man right here

>>7645509
I want to learn sculpting to print my own figgies but I am not getting much success with it. How did you start?

All of these are 2025, leftmost is january and rightmost is today
Not as much output as I would've liked

>>7647341
ngl, I kinda like the bottom-left ones the most

>>7634055
Do you draw allot from life ? Really looks like it’s alive good job anon

>>7647341
do you have earlier art?

>>7637016
>you don't need to study the book, I never did, just watch the videos once or twice
what's up wtih zoomers and needing videos to do anything? Video tutorials, video "essays" video reviews. It's goddamn zany

>>7638419
>4chan filename

>>7650451
Yeah, in this little collage are all my 2023 works
I used to think that this many finished pieces was a lot, lol

>>7638419
>what is 4chanX
I want tourists out

>>7642343
I was in a random art discord and there was a guy spamming extensively about how he is just so teririble and incapable of ever getting good. a lot of people tried to console him and offered to help him in any way but he shrugged it off. this escapade went on for hours before mods had to just mute him or kick him I don't recall
I added him and offered to help any way I can because I empathize with the feeling of hating yourself or feeling despair at the thought you'll never get at the level you want to be. he shrugged off my every attempt to get him to post anything he's drawn so far so I can point out what he can do better. shrugged off every attempt to get him to even pick up a pencil and start somewhere. just went on and on about how pitiful he is. eventually I just gave up replying. then he unadded me
a week later he tried to re-add me but I didn't accept. I didn't have the free time to go through that over and over

>>7647174
I learned in school before there were tutorials, and I kept gathering info as more became available and the landscape changed.

100% of the time I have no clue what I'm doing, feels like I went from -1/10 to like 1/10 inbetween huge breaks. Also my canvasses got really big.

>>7635587
did you also learn gesture from vilppu?
i want to get more into actually drawing past the neck 90% of the time so i figured i would try and learn anatomy from him, but he emphasized it always starts with gesture and if the gesture isn't good it falls apart... so i'm trying to learn that but i've always struggled with gesture

Holy fuck he looks demented

>>7634301
Inspiring timeline

>>7634639
Great improvement in under a year, nice.

>>7635166
Wow.

>>7635251
Your arts so much more enjoyable to look at now, less flat and awkward and now looks like something I wouldn't blink twice at if I saw it in a comic or game.

>>7642346
"Over"
>Shows amazing progress in just 6 years and understanding of things that take some people their whole lives to figure out
Okay buddy. Okay. If looking at the shitty faces from 2019 then at the faces in 2025 doesn't give you a self-love boner then I don't know what will.

Some years I just didn't draw at all, or only drew little doodles with my friends. (2021-2022) Was still in school around 2020 and relied on low quality art books & art youtube
The big improvements came when I took an ACTUAL art class on my own free time and figured out making the same mistakes over and over wouldn't help.

Still need to draw more and study things I don't want to.

>>7657205
Thanks man.

Insane gains in just 5 years. I kneel.

>>7657205
thanskies hihihi
you got good progress too :3

>>7633943 (OP)
Idk I fluctuate from drawings like this

>>7660161
To this

What a year, huh?

>>7650471
watching art youtubers worked for me man idk what to tell you, they condense information into simple principles you can follow

>>7660452
Amazing progress anon. I'm personally not a fan of the subject matter but I have to admit you have true talent. Keep going at it!

What if I have no progress to show?
What if I have been horrid dogshit through years with no improvement?
What then?

>>7661380
dont post in the thread then?

>>7661380
If you're not having fun then maybe it's time to try a different hobby.

Bump

>>7666087
why?

>>7666361
because more people have to give me (You)s