Is there a way to learn to draw that is not just doing a bunch of daily drills from a course or endlessly drawing from references?
I just wanna actually try creating something from the start no matter how bad it turns out but all I’ve been doing is random still lifes or trying to draw anime screenshots
Just feels like studying (which is fine sometimes!)

I’m wondering if it can be viewed similarly to learning a language via a course versus just doing a lot of immersing, if anyone is familiar with that concept
Basically just reading and watching a shit ton once you understand the basics
You’re in over your head but at least you’re doing / making something so it’s fun
Most tutorials online are just about technique but not really the process to what to do next with them

>>7635614 (OP)

>>7635614 (OP)
Start a project. No, really. Make a comic or an animation. Join an art contest. Do one of those monthly themed drawtobers with lists of ideas or the 100 day drawing challenge. Anything that requires a process start to finish, set a deadline. Get hyperfixated into a piece of media if you don't have ideas of your own and do those projects with that basis. You'll trick yourself into mileage by doing. The comic artists and animators you like learned by just doing it a lot, s'why they can draw their characters freehand because they've drawn them a million times.
Doesn't matter if it looks like shit by the end, you'll be a better artist on the other side. Study isn't gonna be useful unless you have goals to work towards.

>Is there a way to learn to draw that is not just doing a bunch of daily drills from a course or endlessly drawing from references?
just.... draw then
get a blank sheet of paper and try to draw some shit from imagination. little kids can do it so try your best and you can too

some of you are completely helpless...

>>7635642
*Eventually you will revisit those drills and studies with the goal of improvement but you should start with something to get you drawing first. Idk why this sentence got deleted.

>>7635614 (OP)
no, you have to get your fundies and drawabox down first. anime is fundamentally 3d based. otherwise you won't learn anime. don't copy too much or you'll lose your style too.

>>7635614 (OP)

>>7635614 (OP)
Basically you need something like this cycle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EefqA7epQzk

Lots of people get stuck in one of these stages. Some people draw a lot but never reflect on their mistakes so they never really improve. And lots of people study all sorts of things be never actually draw the things they want to draw or finish a real piece. Others never draw or practice, they just endlessly reflect or daydream about drawing but never actually draw.

You need a clear goal to work towards so you can filter out what will and won't help. Think about what medium, style, genre, subject matter, mood, etc. of what you actually want to draw is. Then try balancing the studying, drawing and reflecting. Something like: Finishing 1 piece a week. Analyze it and reflect on it, study what needs the most improvement. Then try applying what you learned on the next week's piece.

>>7635701
>>7635642
I think I’ll just fixate on one character / series / scenario whichever and try to get a decent drawing done per week
Or a bunch of smaller drawings ever day or two then

>>7635642
never seen "s'why", might have to add it to my repertoire

>>7635614 (OP)
kill yourself

>>7635729
Hmmm I don’t think that’s a good method anon

>>7635661
Yes but drawing what
I guess it just seems too ambiguous for my retarded mind

Yes OP that is how it can be viewed. Immersion puts you at the top of bloom's taxonomy which is one way of understanding why immersion works.

your statement on technique showcased within a tutorial is insultingly bare and I would slap you IRL for not including an example if I could.

>>7635842
My bad
But I guess I’m sort of on the right track then

>>7635780
>I just wanna actually try creating something from the start
This

>>7635614 (OP)
my girlfriend

>>7635614 (OP)
>how do I learn to draw? do I really have to draw in order to improve?
>isn't there some kind of like specific thing I can do to just get really good in like a day?
>i'm so tired of just drawing I want to be able to draw

>>7635860
Well I’ll just keep producing things towards this project I have and hope the quality improves over time then

>>7635614 (OP)
>Is there a way to learn to draw that is not just doing a bunch of daily drills from a course or endlessly drawing from references?
No one says you should grind courses and line exercises until some mysterious time where you're good enough to apply your knowledge. You should be making your own things and experimenting with what you're learning from day one.

>>7635898
>>7635970
Okay I’ll just draw more then

>>7635614 (OP)
Yeah. Make stuff. Duh.

>>7635614 (OP)
>endlessly drawing from references?
It's never a bad thing to draw for fun, if you just feel like drawing something original then go for it. But doing studies of references is how you get good. Don't neglect them.

>>7635614 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAjZoW6TvW0

I think putting drawing in the context of visual art or art in general might make a difference in your mentality. Drawing, painting, sculpture, animation, photography - all have very distinct characteristics but all deal with capturing light and space and reinforce each others logic.
Photography, manual DLSR cameras work like your eyes, and sculpture lets you literally study 3D space. Drawing is all about an illusion.
Graphic design and painting will help your understanding of color, value, and human psychology when viewing a static image.

!That lighting move from the fire nation was learned by studying the water tribe! (Studying dance, sport, music, theatre, physics, biology will help too. You just have to be observant, mindful, and even embrace all the connections. )

>>7635701

!!!!This cycle is so true!!!!!! consuming inspiration / data, studying / processing, and then actually making artwork. Creativity is all about consumption and digestion, not necessarily production.

>>7635614 (OP)
can't you just start by copying

>>7635701
>>7640191
this method only works if you have talent

>>7635614 (OP)
I taught myself English and to draw anime and I know both fine. The secret is to never give up and obsess over the things you want to learn. English and anime were my obsession since I was 12. When I not drawing I'm looking at manga pages and illustrations, trying to understand how they made it. I always reading something in English or watching a video in English or reading a book, but I'm not forcing myself to do those things. I really love doing them.
So is like learning a language by yourself like I did. If you find a way to love the process it won't be hard, but it will take time.
I'd say get a pen tablet and copy full illustrations of anime. Don't copy parts, copy full illustrations. Start with anime girls in the white background, so you will learn hair, face, clothes and body at the same time. Read " drawing with the right side of the brain" (this book helped me a lot), watch speedpaintings of anime on YouTube. Download some anime illustrations and observe them for hours. Go to a manga reading website and save some pages of a beautiful manga like "witch hat atelier" and spend the day observing the pages. Pay attention to details, pay attention to colors. Download some clamp illustrations (you find on Pinterest). Observe them, study them. Draw everyday or at least 3 or 4 times a week for the rest of your life and find joy in doing this. Get some digital artist illustrations, download them and do the same thing also do your project too even if it's not perfect. Just don't worry about the years because they will pass anyway and never ever give up. Insist, my friend, and insist it will take time but you will learn. I can't recommend a art course because I taught myself, but some say it's fine. The teacher can say some shit or influence you to give up or something. Never give up and good luck

>>7642963
Pyw.

>>7642943
define talent and why is that

>>7635614 (OP)
>I just wanna actually try creating something from the start no matter how bad it turns out
Take a pose from one pic, take a character from other pic, combine. Voila.

I can't draw, literally. I don't mean my skills are bad, but I physically can't make myself draw. I have so many ideas but I only have a finite time and need to pick only one to draw. And it might not even be good so I not only wasted my previous time on earth but I also gave up potentially better ideas.

My Creativity Grind:

https://youtu.be/1OSWR7xiQLk?si=aCQlhTy4v3SgYMyX

>>7642943
You don't need talent, just a minimum IQ to allow you to reflect on your mistakes and make a decision on how to study to improve that area.

>>7635898
okay wiseguy, how do I get better at drawing with minimal drawing? And don't say more drawing, I hate drawing.

>>7643076
talent is the ability to put your knowledge on paper. if you're talentless, it doesn't matter how much you try to study. talentless people can know everything about fundamentals, underlying structure, proportions, gesture, have 100 refs opened on the background and it will still looks unappealing no matter the amount of tries or time fixing spent

>>7644037
are people born with talent? or is it something learnt?