Thread 7640847 - /ic/ [Archived: 334 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/11/2025, 12:38:53 AM No.7640847
wtf
wtf
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>first layer
>absolute chaos storm of scribbles and wild lines with only a few signs of basic planning/construction
>fifteen layers of refinement later
>final product
Does anyone here do this? I was blown away the first time I saw this. Not because I was impressed but because I was shocked. Are there really people out there who can't just draw something, they need to have 15 different layers of built up guidelines in order to produce a product? I mean I can understand 2 or maybe even 3 layers, but the people with 10+? And I'm not talking color/light/shadow rendering here, I'm talking lineart.
>inb4 hurr durr if it works for them then mind your own business
I'm not hating I'm just asking a question out of curiosity
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 12:41:54 AM No.7640854
>>7640847 (OP)
i'm kinda like that but not to that extreme. a sloppy messy first sketch to kinda get the idea down really helps, then just refine it over time. I wish I was one of those people that just did it amazing the first time without revision
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 12:44:05 AM No.7640856
>>7640847 (OP)
I wish I could do this but idk if my brain will ever work like this. I’m the other extreme, if I draw a line that’s not a part of the finished drawing or reasonably likely to be a part of the finished drawing then I feel like I’m just confusing myself. I want to have everything hammered down right away.
Could be just a symptom of me being /beg/ but I’ve been like this for so long I doubt it’ll ever change
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 12:47:09 AM No.7640863
>>7640856
I'm this way too. I've tried the basic 2 or 3 layer rough/gesture -> refined sketch -> final lineart approach but mentally it feels extremely wrong to essentially be tracing, even if its my own work. If my first lines are so rough they need a 2nd layer I'd rather just rework it
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 12:50:34 AM No.7640868
>>7640863
I will say that I see the value in doing a sketch followed by a final layer, but mainly in the sense that it’s giving me a second chance to correct mistakes, and nail down some things that I may have just guessed on the first time. But even during the initial sketch I like to have a clear intent behind every line.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 12:59:07 AM No.7640889
I don't draw, I just make a bunch of lines and hope some of them look good.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:00:21 AM No.7640892
>>7640847 (OP)
I don't get this either, artist in OP can obviously produce very skilled artwork but I feel like if you handed him a sheet of paper and a pencil he would shit himself
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:06:00 AM No.7640905
I typically do 1 or two sketches and then erase any construction lines and refine it rather than doing traditional line-art I find it helps keep my line work less stiff
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:10:30 AM No.7640915
>>7640892
>very skilled artwork
He’s better than most of /ic/ but those hips are kinda fucked
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:13:57 AM No.7640924
>>7640915
its just girl hips they funky like that
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:15:15 AM No.7640928
>>7640847 (OP)
What he's doing in the sketch is called "searching" where instead of actually knowing how you want your lines down you use trial and error to find it. Searching is a nasty habit that leads to confusing the hell out of you and keeping things vague so you don't know how to draw. It must've been how the artist grew up and then they focused on construction and anatomy because those lines are pretty solid. I'm a searcher and refiner, I switched to only using pens it really teaches you to think things through before a stroke and go with the flow when you have a bad one(though you can cheat with ballpoint).

This technique shows there's multiple ways to get to the same result.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:17:57 AM No.7640934
>>7640928
>Searching is a nasty habit
i wouldnt put it like that
sometimes its a fun spontaneous way to get ideas flowing when you arent sure what to draw
you just start scribbling find something cool then either refine it there or start from the beginning somewhere else
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:18:11 AM No.7640935
>>7640847 (OP)
sloppy beginnings are the best imo if youre working from imagination or innovating reference
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:20:25 AM No.7640942
>>7640856
i am like this too
beg too...
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 1:25:04 AM No.7640959
>>7640934
It's a nasty habit to have, It's fun to do intentionally. No extremes here, we all enjoy happy accidents but we also want control of what we're trying to create as well. It hides a lot of mistakes in the weeds of half erased lines and usually people won't go the extra mile of refinement like op's example and wonder why they aren't improving.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 2:12:57 AM No.7641027
Sloppy starts result in shitty ends. Just because you’re sketching doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be quality, polished linework.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:06:38 AM No.7641182
tons of animators draw like this, they usually tie it down after 3-4 passes though.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:07:45 AM No.7641183
>>7641027
a prebeg typed this
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 4:09:22 AM No.7641186
>>7640847 (OP)
The secret of Japanese artists is they trace over again and again , as many layers as it takes to create the perfect line. Or until it feels right.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:32:45 AM No.7641273
Name of artist?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:42:35 AM No.7641282
>>7640847 (OP)
just fucking do it? people who add many layers maybe have complex backgrounds. Each to his or her own.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:43:52 AM No.7641284
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Gerhard,who did backgrounds for Cerebus the Aardvark, would work out the angles and such on a separate board,then use tracing paper to transfer the lines he wanted onto the final draft.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:54:30 AM No.7641288
>>7640915
Post your correction.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 5:57:09 AM No.7641290
>>7640847 (OP)
Link to source?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:24:28 AM No.7641313
>>7640959
ultra prebeg take, judging an artist based on how they start is dumb as shit. Do you think Heinrich Kley is hiding his mistakes? Don't even reply.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:05:26 AM No.7641342
>>7641313
>he's... le hiding mistakes! you're not supposed to draw like that that!
This. Gotta love how /ic/ is filled with critics incompetent at the thing they're critiquing. They don't know why the artist does it but they know it's bad.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:50:39 PM No.7641959
>>7640959
>No extremes here
i would say calling it a "nasty habit" is extreme...
picking your nose is a nasty habit, scribbling some lines on a page is not
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:54:45 PM No.7641963
>>7640847 (OP)
Yes this is how I do it, often I am surprised anything comesout the other end.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:30:36 PM No.7642010
>>7640847 (OP)
This artist comes to mind. He's a pro concept artist and does really chaotic lines for his thumbnails and keeps scribbling on top, erasing and changing it until he's satisfied. Some people just prefer to work like this and not get tied down in the planning phase.
https://www.youtube.com/live/33F1RSZSX1g
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 3:59:38 AM No.7642616
>>7641959
It’ll cripple your ability to draw nobody who scribbles will ever draw.
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 4:03:29 AM No.7642624
it's slow, but useful for people with poor visualization ability
or when you have a vague idea / feeling but don't really know where to take it
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 5:53:36 AM No.7642736
>>7641284
imagine putting all that love and care into ur craft just for the other guy in the comic to give himself schizophrenia with lsd and drown your artwork with walls of text about how women are interdimensional demons because his wife divorced him
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 3:57:22 PM No.7643136
When I start I get really messy, hell I am a mess of a person.
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 4:21:52 PM No.7643159
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>>7640847 (OP)
I do the layout trad so it's not a problem . Then ink, scan and Photoshop it.
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 2:10:08 AM No.7643815
>>7640847 (OP)
This is about what I do. Though I only usually do two or three layers before I find something. I can't really visualize what I want to draw too well so it takes several sketches before I land on something.
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:35:22 AM No.7644232
>>7640928
alright, how do you know how you want your lines down before you even know where they will be positioned on the paper
do you draw perfect lineart the first pass
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 2:24:24 PM No.7644418
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>>7640928
That is stupid as fuck. What you call "searching" is just another way of practicing. I guarantee you that once that guy gets used to drawing the same subject he won't even need to do that mess. The only difference between that and trying to draw things in one go is that in one you draw over your mistakes and on the other you simply erase them and try again. Both are valid ways of learning and both have their pros and cons. If every artist out there was forced to draw using the same technique we would miss out on a lot of amazing artists. For an art board, /ic/ is incredibly close-minded.
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 3:26:39 PM No.7644455
>>7644418
you can't draw tho
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 3:35:43 PM No.7644463
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>>7644418
>fauxanime
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:46:42 AM No.7645546
>>7644463
And?
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:10:42 AM No.7645565
>>7644418
>guy gets used to drawing the same subject he won't even need to do that mess
People learn to draw differently. Even pros do this. Althought there maybe some sort of mental disorder going on. But I suspect it might be a cultural thing since Japanese people really love to stick to their prefered routines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpRwlb8o03M