Another shituber giving bad advice. sToP doInG lIiNe ArTT. IDK why that sounds so retarded to me. Didn’t even watch the video, don’t wanna give that fucker money. What do you guys think?

>>7641240 (OP)
Pisses me off as well. Every slopper makes the same videos, regurgitating information they just learned and barely understand. The ones with real info and integrity don't do clickbait and basically call it quits after a dozen videos because they've already told everything there is to be told. Unfortunately that's bad for the algo so further exposure of the good stuff is left to word of mouth

>>7641240 (OP)
I watched the video, she just says that clean lineart isn't necessary to get a good looking drawing. Which is correct.

youtube please stop recommending me draw like a sir.

>>7641276
"Lineart is not a strict necessity" is a very different statement from "Don't do lineart". He should consider learning english followed by commiting suicide.

>>7641289
Worse still, it's even more different from "Stop doing lineart.". He should take the opportunity to rig a bomb under his house.

I think threads such as this and twitter rage bait threads where people don't even watch or read the thing they wish to discuss even when they know it's just some random opinion are shit and have made this whole site worse over time.

>>7641240 (OP)
doing lineart almost killed my art career, everything i drew looked uncanny and disgusting but i had "bro the lineart step" hammered into my head

i did a ton of mushrooms and the entities revealed to me that you can just paint on/under a sketch after delineating all the important things, and that light and value composition are the only things that matter. you can add lines wherever needed, the drawing pretty much asks for it itself.

though the real lesson here isnt "dont do lineart bro", but that you should keep things simple and free and never be burdened by any overly clinical process or workflow. maybe line art is not for you. maybe it is.

also you should have enough brainpower to realize that youtubers need to do stuff like this to pay their bills because you, the viewer, pay more attention to ragebait. see if he had a reasonable thumbnail you wouldnt be advertising him for free here. he does explain it more temperately in the video.

>>7641292
yeah you're right, these guys are discussing a youtube slop video they didn't even watch. literal slop thread

>>7641240 (OP)

>>7641240 (OP)
This...is le wrong.

>>7641348
Pikat looks like she smells really, really bad....

>>7641266
its the same with books, every new grifter teacher puts out a course or book with the same info written 200 years ago.

>>7641348
just noticed how wonky that hand is

>>7641356
a lot of ppl forget that these supposed art teachers on youtube are entertainers 1st. they arent people who succeeded as artists then went on to pass on their knowledge to the next generation, they are very average artists who just know how to make engaging content and the art is kind of just an afterthought.

they can still have decent advice but always take everything they say with a grain of salt

>>7641240 (OP)
>>7641266
A solid 95% of art videos are absolute crap
A ton of people are doing it either purely for attention, or to leap as a good artist who knows what they’re talking about, or most often to make some money from the easy views
Some of the best artists are garbage teachers

Seconding pretty much everything said itt. Even when art grifters manage to give decent or even good advice while shitting out their daily slop videos it's often presented in the most unhelpful way, possibly harming the progress of beginner artists. What >>7641301
said rings true, it took years for me to realize I was also stuck on a "stage" and never developed a workflow that suited me. Though plenty of blame can be placed on my young dumbass self interpreting everything extremly literally and barely understanding things beyond surface level, some of the art tutorials I followed tended to format their advice like "DON'T EVER DO THIS, DO IT LIKE THIS" rather than "generally it's easier to do it like this so the result looks better" which only made things worse for me. Many begs don't have a specific style they're aiming for but rather just wish to express their ideas visually at a decent level, and the classics take this into account and introduce many ways to approach illustrating and encourage experimentation. "Do's and don'ts" just seem to make up arbitary rules that steer beginners to adopt a style the tutorials creator prefers.

>>7641240 (OP)
why are you watching youtube tutorials you fucking ding dong

You're just mad they can run a successful youtube channel. You're too pussy to get on mic to voice your opinion.

>>7641348
I don’t know why anyone watches this bitch. My permabeg friend sends me her videos a lot and I just don’t click them. He watches this YouTube slop on 2x speed and honestly hasn’t improved in the 5 years I’ve known him.

>>7641348
pikat is based

>>7641693
ok yeah that's pretty cool maybe she is based

>>7641710
pikat has gotten better recently, but her videos (like any) are still dogshit

>>7641240 (OP)
the better question is what do you want from your end goal with your piece?

is it a black and white line art piece? then line art is kinda fucking necessary

is it going to be colored? then there is a valid point ot not doing the line art. line art, especially to a painter is just a construction tool that will be painted over and forgotten, if you are painting digitally, its honestly better to use an oversized brush and just block in shapes and colors and refine from there, irl you can't as easily do this, but you can take a kneaded eraser and a 1 inch graphite chunk and block in value and pull back.

I do see value in completely shifting how you do your process and see if anything works better than what you already do.

>>7641559
>>7641301
agreed.

>>7641292
>>7641335
it is.

>>7641584
this was the post that I wanted to see.

>>7641341
oh my gosh could this be the secret I've been searching for all along please give me 12 rules I bet I won't believe what happens next

>>7641240 (OP)
>StOp dOiNg LiNeArT
Every artist I see not doing lineart has the same fucking formless muddy looking shit as the end product, due to some "speedpaint" trend.

>>7641608
>permabeg friend

Not surprised at all. Imagine filling your head with a bunch of half baked opinions from clout chasing youtubers under the excuse that it's an integral part of learning.
Sounds more like he's indulging in escapism/ addiction while rationalizing it as educational and beneficial.

Nothing wrong with indulging in escapism but it should be separated from learning.
Imagine how far he could go if he genuinely committed to the craft.

The majority of these youtube gurus/ teachers have no business teaching. If you can't even simplify a pelvis and draw it in different angles then be humble enough to learn anatomy before trying to teach it or calling yourself a "master of anatomy". If all you draw is poorly constructed characters in the same position with a piece of cloth hanging from their waist then don't sell a course on "character design".
This kind of narcissistic pretentiousness is just such a gross thing to witness and it does a lot of harm not only to the community but also to the people who buy into and feed the delusions of these so called teachers.
It's ok to be intermediate but it's downright embarassing to witness when an intermediate artist deludes themselves that they're a master.
And yes if you're gonna be a teacher (especially if you market yourself as advanced or master) you have an obligation to your students to own up to that. Else you are nothing more than a scammer.

>>7642159
these "people" don't really actually care about drawing. it's means to an end (a way to pay bills funded by poor suckers)

>>7641278
you WILL watch his begtrap roadmap video and you WILL like it

>>7642159
>Sounds more like he's indulging in escapism/ addiction while rationalizing it as educational and beneficial.

You wound me, sir

It's absolutely this, when your friend is watching vids at 2x speed and constantly have one for you, your has a youtube addiction. It's a really sneaky one to have because while there are some vids that are very beneficial and can change your life, there are millions upon millions of slop vids that aren't worth your bandwidth made to make you feel accomplished while doing absolutely nothing. A lot of people talk about Tik Tok addicts but not youtube addicts, youtube has been around since the late 00's and has consumed the lives of people like that. I certainly gave youtube years of my life seeing how I was on the site since 12 I remember hearing that people didn't really watch youtube and thinking what do they do all day? The worst part is that it's passive media, at least here you're engaging with bots (though this place is horrible if you want to be anything that requires recognition ) actively conveying your opinion on there you're consuming someone else's opinion with no rebuttal and foolishly think you're smarter for it.

>>7641266
>The ones with real info and integrity don't do clickbait and basically call it quits after a dozen videos because they've already told everything there is to be told.
What would be some good recommendations for lesser known/dead channels that had videos actually worth watching?

>>7641348
I like seeing her progress online but her videos aren't great.

>>7642266
NOoooooo
>*gets forced to make slopulent flat boring art of current flavour of the month anime*

>>7641278
>it's real
Holy fvvvvvark

>>7642648
https://youtu.be/xnKtvGU_DAU?t=614
It is bewildering how much his tutorials track in terms of views and likes.

>>7641278
Is that by him

>>7641348
>>7641356
>>7641381
>>7641608
All her good info she attributes to various "art senpais" she knows but who don't actually make videos or anything. She's basically just relaying that stuff into a presentable format. Her videos are also relatable because rather than acting like a "teacher" she acts like "the person in your art course who is better than you by a lot but not some kind of prodigy and also has a warm personality".

She built a following by being with shit like the hotdog and well-endowed penguin parody commissions. She's not being an obvious shill, political shithead or annoying tourist on her accounts. Also her self-insert OC appeals to the artists who like stinky femcel characters like Hex Maniac or Tomoko Kuroki, and she has a good microphone, video editing and general presentation.

This is why she is popular, and she's still on average giving better info than a lot of art youtubers.

>>7642681
See >>7643214
>>7643394
Never watched her but I believe you. I guess her videos serves more to entertain than to teach?

Alright name 1 youtuber I should give the time of the day to

>>7644092
There are none
Stop watching other people draw and draw

>>7644097
I knew it

>>7644092
Techmoan
>BUT HE DOES'T DRAWS!!

>>7644092
The one and only

>>7641240 (OP)
for me, it's hackslop
just got recommended an AMAZING WATERCOLOR HACK video and it's literally just some dumb cunt who just found out about consistency after x years of "doing watercolor"
I don't know how these people manage to survive

>>7644092
The non-english ones. I found one to two good KR art teacher and a lot of JP ones but i'm also a weeb that draws weeb art so that's a bit more specific. If you want lessons that are fundamentally useful, Marco Bucci. I think Sinix is good too but I was too /beg/ at the time and I have to keep going back to his videos to relearn concepts as I study and got better. Everyone else is entertainment and engagement-grabbing first before actually teaching. Which isn't inherently a bad thing, sometimes you want to listen to someone bitch about the hobby because you relate. If you really want objective results you'd find a mentorship.