But /ic/ said that tracing is the only way to succeed.....

Motherfucker just draw, goddamn

ive never heard of this western slop

>>7642461 (OP)
I mean tracing is lame but "cancelling" someone over tracing seems insane

>>7642461 (OP)
can we see what was traced?

>>7642474
556 fucking chapters.

>>7642478
can we see what got them caught?

>>7642484

>>7642489
this is fucking stupid. I get tracing buildings and cars and technical things like that, but tracing expressive faces that are supposed to be iconic? What a moron.

>korean webtoon "artist" caught tracing
This should come as a shock to literally nobody

>>7642489
>Tokyo Ghoul
>AGAIN
Why is it always Ishida and Kubo lmaoo

KWAB

>>7642507
>tracing someone else's work instead of tracing AI
Ngmi

>>7642507
left, no boobies
right, boobies

VERDICT
original content, no unoriginality detected

>>7642461 (OP)
this is why I'm no longer buying these since its all fraudulent

pirating and AI is a much better option

why put the effort on learning to draw when the Mangakas you look up to are just fake and fraud

>>7642529
>when the Mangakas you look up to are just fake and fraud
nigga then you just look up to whatever mangaka they are tracing, or if they traced from AI(lmao), then look up to whoever's style the AI is copying.

I'm not even a mangafag but it's literally just as simple as that.

>>7642461 (OP)
Also, yeah, discontinuing is a bad decision.
Just strive to improve nigga, even if you have to drop the frequency of chapters in half.

Your legacy might be somewhat tainted but there should be plenty of people in it for the story and they deserve a conclusion and surely not all of your work is traced bro.

>>7642461 (OP)
Korean manhwa releases weekly in full color. Either it's a big team of slaves, asset flipping, AI slop, or outsourcing to China. Impossible otherwise. I highly suspect some of the shittier manhwa art are Made in China. They are Chinese manhua-tier.

The whole thing reeks.

>>7642518
Pretty much this. if you are going to trace might as well go with AI

>>7642748
People now don't want to put in the effort, they want all the rewards of grinding and doing the hard work without really working on themselves, they want the finished picture

>>7642755
Goodluck generating a fighting sequence to trace

>>7642750
Is Japan the last bastion of creativity aside from indie? In the west it's just shareholders torpedoing any creative vision that could be and Asia aside from Japan is just a sweatshop for the west.

>>7642489
>>7642507
So this is the power of no rules just tools, huh? I don't understand why people sperg about it though.

>>7642760
You say that but it's getting easier by the day to make a pretty rudimentary fight scene

>>7642771
I know and I dread the day that AI can piece together a story. That day is the day that the slop flood gates are truly blown open and there is no coming back. I even saw some video of a tool in development that could already do slice of life type manga and animate the individual panels. I assume it was heavily human assisted but we're getting uncomfortably close

>>7642755
Manhwa backgrounds are often AI-like. It's probably actually AI.

>>7642781
Google already has a tool that generates short manga stories anon...

>>7642495
he had to have wanted to be caught? or the thrill of it? wtf. just trace AI if you're a lazy piece of shit with muh deadlines.

>>7642785
My knowledge is limited to what the feed makes me consoom but probably nothing much more than the chatgpt comics as I haven't run into any. Anyway this was the vid, potent suicide fuel handle with care https://youtube.com/watch?v=9w32oc011Ks&pp=ygUSbWFuZ2EgYWkgZ2VuZXJhdG9y

>>7642792
That is the exact video I was thinking about yes, that guy has some pretty interesting videos showing just how far things are getting now

>>7642461 (OP)
As a loyal reader of this Korean slop the writing has been on the wall for a while. The art started off shitty but full of SOVL as the kids say. As time went on, the art got increasingly better. I'd say the whole thing is a lesson in consistency, if you keep at it on a weekly basis you will get better. However, the artist is only one person running the entire show, so shortcuts were needed. The quality lowered and all the characters began to look the same, losing their unique features. Fans began complaining wondering what happened to the art. I personally think the artist deliberately sabotaged himself as an easy way out. He had written himself into a corner introducing many new characters and no purpose for them. It was also obvious he was dragging out the story, whether for money or just not knowing how to end it im not sure. Apparently in Korea this is something they take very seriously, cancel culture is a joke in the US but it's a life or death sentence over there. I don't blame him for stopping the comic altogether because Koreans are batshit insane and probably sending death threats over this. Its a shame the author couldn't just end the fucking story and move on to something else. This is also a lesson in greed and getting too comfortable, people are going to notice eventually. If youre going to trace then make sure it's AI or 3d models, not other people's work. There's only so much "inspiration" you can take from other art.

At least the women were top tier. They're probably traced too kek

>>7642507
So this was just some shitty manhwa?

>>7642760
You can lol. But it's not going to be a 1-sentence proooompt. Majority of prompters are the former. You might say, if you'd spent 30mins-1 hour on prompting/inpainting etc to trace over you 'might as well do it yourself', but drafting your own fight scene is going to take 30mins-1hour, and you'd probably throw them in the trash when you realize it's shit afterwards.

A professional artist would do ANYTHING they can to get their artwork out on time. I've also noticed more artists started tracing over AIsloppa (you can kinda just tell based on the anatomy), and honestly, I don't give a fuck. The artwork still has that artist's feel and artstyle to it anyhow.

Now, if you go on and just proompt and then paintover it so shoddily that you can just easily tell its sloppa, then that is stupid

>>7642783
I gen'd a bunch of 'random manga' in the past (for fun, not for actual production kek). Honestly I liked it. The storyboarding is nonsensical bullshit obviously but the background coloring really does gives off the 'feel' or vibe that I wanted to. Like sci-fi with industrial/post-apocalyptic background, etc. Obviously though, I wouldn't use the backgrounds directly. I'd copy over the backgrounds that I see fitting, then either posterize it to reduce the details and then paintover the entirety of the background so that they're just general shapes that you can kinda fill in the blanks what those are if you're not squinting at it. Honestly this looks much better than tracing over 3D backgrounds and then haphazardly color them with pink blue purple random tones. You can even draft your scene in 3D software, then pull the screenshots from various angles as depth map and then try out a few generations to get some ideas rolling and when you found a few that hits the right spot, you work on from there.

AI doesn't magically make everything good. You still need effort if you want to stand out.

>>7642764
Its bleak my friend

What a bunch of retards, who cares if it is traced. Especially from expression, poses or building. What you going to do, create your own human beings. Who you going to reference to, oh, God's creatures, or if you don't believe in God, animals and insects of the natural world, you don't even create shit, you only create feelings for other retards to feel. If they feel tracing is bad, you should trace more to trigger them. Just to trigger them in fact. Also which idiot will quit over tracing, all the Manga artist trace. 3D assets over 3d Assets. God dam people are increasingly stupid.
Captcha: DYMB0I

>>7642939
>What you going to do, create your own human beings
I rotate a human being in my mind

>>7642461 (OP)
>got caught
???
by the end of the first arc they had low res renders for background they didn't even bother editing and half the characters were very obviously traced from fashion magazines, how the fuck is this news? I knew they were tracing and I haven't read it for years

>>7642977
The human being from whoes design and model? Did you invent human beings? That's right, you copied God's work or nature's design.

>>7642461 (OP)
>faggot zoomers shamelessly trace over 3D dummies
>outraged when some mangaka with inhuman deadlines traces over a Pinterest pic
Retarded zoomers are retarded

>>7642464
Type properly like a human, freak.

>>7642507
If this is “tracing” then when are you allowed to even use references at all?
I thought /ic/ said references weren’t cheating?

>>7643023
you retards don't know what a reference even is

>>7643026
Then enlighten us

>>7643063
if you stupid niggers were capable of learning, you wouldn't be in this situation in the first place
talking to dumb niggers is a waste of time

>>7643007
maybe God copied someone else's work and took the credit, you don't know.

>>7643067
concession not accepted. fuck you nigger!

>>7643306
case and point

>>7643318
its case in point retarf

>>7643324
>its

>>7642461 (OP)
Wasn't that the troon manga

>>7642507
I thought using reference wasn't cheating

>>7643355
It's not, but this guy is supposed to be professional mangaka

>>7642904
>Apparently in Korea this is something they take very seriously, cancel culture is a joke in the US but it's a life or death sentence over there. I don't blame him for stopping the comic altogether because Koreans are batshit insane and probably sending death threats over this.
Why the fuck do people get so concerned over "death threats"? You can just laugh at them, it's free dopamine. The mentally ill get to entertain you without you having to burn time looking for the internet human zoo communities they normally spend time rambling in.

Like seriously, any person blowing their lifespan to spend time wishing death on you is likely some pathetic fuck and it means you're winning if you manage to get a lot of hate mail.

>>7642939
>If they feel tracing is bad, you should trace more to trigger them.
BASED. Every artist has to filter their audience. If your fanbase gets squatted in by retards and turns into a metaphorical ghetto you have to get them to reveal themselves so you can kick them out.

>>7642502
Kubo just has a pleasing arstyle

>>7642939
holy based lol

>>7642939
nigga got booty blasted!

>>7642461 (OP)
>But /ic/,,,
> /ic/ is one person
Do the world a favor and go jump from a cliff, low IQ baiter.

>>7643023
Are you seriously inadequate to the point of not understanding the difference between tracing or referencing something?

Why cant people just trace real bodies? I dont think anyone cares if you traced a nude model or a 3d model. Tracing someone elses art is obviously a bigger problem.

>>7642461 (OP)
Why do people even care the art was traced to the point of completely canceling all artist's work?
This shit >>7642507 isn't even traced.
It's only in art that this turbo autism flies.
Popular singers openly admit they neither write nor compose their music.
Greatest movie directors outright take pride they stole something from an older director.
Writers constantly steal from each other and just call it an homage.
But if an artist is "caught" with a work that looks similar to someone else then it's a worse crime than a murder.
Instead of just giving him a label of a hack lazy fag tracer, he is complete tore down as if attacked by rabid dogs.
This shit only scares artists. Even low begs are now obsessed and go crazy over getting "called out" for tracing and record all their shitty scribbles.

Yeah anon above is right.
Why care about integrity when content is all that matters?
Oops, the world is falling apart but i don't car-- no stop stabbing me that hurts wtf aaaah they're eating me alive why do you need nourishment?! why do you care aaaaaaaaaah CARING IS CRINGE!

>>7649040
Damn, you, beat the shit out of that strawman, you are very cool and smart and insightful anon.

>>7649043
No, sir, you clearly have a very witty way with using words without even knowing their meaning.
Shoes off to you, madame.

>stop caring about plagiarism because singers have ghost writers and movie directors do an homage therefore recreating works but with a different fortnite skin is totally cool. Just stop caring and coomsoom or you are autistic cringe
Can i have your legal name and social security number, anon?

>>7649045
You clearly enjoy conversation with the voices in your head more than replying to things I wrote. So enjoy your little schizo chit-chats and don't reply to me again.

>>7649048
The voices in my head wouldn't say retarded shit like you do.

>old masters, people who actually do any kind of art and find success: "great artists steal"
>nodraws with social media drama brainrot: rreeeee you can't use reference you can't even look at other's works society is literally falling billions must die
You sound very sane.

>say the most atrociously, ignorant retarded shit possible
>"omg why aren't you replying to the absolute brain dead shit i wrote? a 1:1 copy is a ref you fucking schizo"
You really don't know the meaning of the words you parrot.
Can i interest you in suicide, Anon?

>LE GREAT ARTIST STEAL
that's how you know you got a nodraw
Post your actual work and i'll show you how a great artist actually steals

>no argument
Concession accepted. Cope, seethe, dilate etc

>runs away
>NO UR SEETHIGN COPING U CONSNEED
back to plebbit, tranny

Uncaring nigga didnt even last two posts without seething

lmao what an absolute faggot
said nothign but buzzwords like an npc and he didnt post any work when challenged
lol

Bro, like, why do you care just steal because singers who got ghost writers don't write their own songs so you should totally steal an art piece from someone else and redraw it but change a few details because "great artists steal" like the "old masters".
You can totally tell i draw and am an artist and if you don't agree you're a jealous crab schizo coping.

>he is actually a schizo and actually talks to himself
Grim.

wow like fr grim and cringe bruh
actual schizo
he probably offended to death and seething coping right now

but bro dont pyw
you actually might get btfo and lose the argument

>>7642461 (OP)
>that small negligence
He's only sorry he got caught. Good riddance

Imagine getting mogged by a genuine schizo even before posting work that you still have to try to insult him
And for what? Just because you justifiably got called a retard for saying retarded shit?
Take the L and move on (but lmao you actually got mogged by a schizo, you lost hard as fuck)

>Popular webtoon Wind Breaker has officially been discontinued from Naver Webtoon after allegations of tracing were confirmed by the platform and acknowledged by the creator, Jo Yongseok.

ahh he's korean, that makes sense. face is so important in their fucked up repressive culture, any minor mistake is basically enough to socially lynch you for life.
don't worry OP you're not gonna get cancelled for tracing as long as you live in a country that hasn't stuck its own head up its ass for the past hundred years.

>>7643381
yeah you're so cool and badass with your complete lack of empathy. whatever dude.

You know that no one's buying the whole
>tracing good
thing, right?

99% of the posts that aren't you are me

>>7649076
>>7649080
Anon, metal health is no joke. If an internet argument gets you riled up this much you go full schizo, you better visit a therapist. I am serious.

>>7649092
Argument? Schizo? Anon, wake up.
You said something extremely retarded, i took the bait, you started seething but which of course you totally aren't and you're actually just """"shitposting"""" and then you lost the social interaction because you aren't willing to actually defend your position but insist upon the magical power of buzzwords which you stereotypically don't know the meaning of.

I mean, if you were capable of comprehending the written word you'd be actually start to mildly become aware of your shortcomings, but your cop out will be that you don't care and that the world is a joke and it's not that serious and that everyone is seething and a crab.
You're not original, i invented that game.
Now post your work before i feed on your misery again.

>WAAAAH YOUR A SCHIZO MENTALLY ILL WHY ARE YOU REPLYING AND NO I WONT DEFEND MY ARGUMENT YOUR A SCHIZO BECAUSE UR NOT AGREEING WITH ME AND IM TOTALLLY BAITING YOU
hmm yummy words of hollows fill my 48 different personalities

>>7649092
Reminder that me replying to you is the highlight of your life.
It won't get any better than this and you will keep doing the retarded shit you do because you will crave the attention, and you'll keep failing to recapture this exact moment a schizo socially shamed himself this bad and gave you the illusion of superiority you desperately crave in your miserable excuse of a failed existence.
Keep calling people schizos and seething and whatever unoriginal copypasted insults you read others spam, in the end you'll end up way worse than whatever your projected image of me might be.
And no one will help and you won't ask for help because caring is cringe and you're totally based.

How is your father doing, Max?

>isn't even in the thread anymore
>keeps getting mogged by a schizo
holy obliteration

...
Damn.
Are all tracing schizos like this.

Anyway i was talking to myself the other day and the other self in my head said that one gotta be an absolute cum guzzling retard to believe tracing shit in your commercial work is a smart way to go about it.
That guy is smart.

>>7649108
Hi, other self from the other day here.
Thank you very much. You're an upstanding guy. I like our conversations.

At this point in my life people have become so boring, genuinely mentally retarded and predictable the only way to actually keep myself sane is to talk to myself.
At least i won't say dumb shit like "great artists steal" and then print pictures of copyrighted works and try to pass them as my own.
lmao

This thread really paints twitterinas who go full batshit insane over something that wasn't even traced >>7642507 as reasonable people.

>same picture
>different fortnite
>"hehehe lol lmao ppl go insane hehe r u mad? gottem!"
this is exactly why i am starting to prefer talking to myself
it's sooooo boring man
everyone does this shit it has lost any kind of edge it ever had

Imagine having absolutely no personality all you ever do is attempt to engagement bait on 4chan

holy misery

>>7649116
You are very young and frustrated. I know you are going to think this post is hostile, but on the off chance you don't... Seek counseling. Your school should have one. I am not trying to mock you and I am 100% serious. Your life and health is more important than internet arguments. Lay off social media. It's unc shit anyway. Delete social media apps on your phone and in a month you wouldn't recognize yourself from all the positive change. I am serious.

>>7649122
Yes anon, interwebs is very serious business and that's why you got uppity when your shit got challenged because you weren't heralded as the second cummin of DaVinci when you posted your hollow buzzwords.

If it ain't that serious and you don't care, why don't you post your work and let me teach you how outstanding artists steal?
But how can words not be taken literally, am i right fellow sane person?

>I SAID THE THING HOW AM I NOT RIGHT YOU FUCKING SHCZIIIO AAAAAAAAAH GET HELP UR SEETHING I AM SERIOUS
ok nigga my dick is bigger than yours

>>7649122
CALL THE COPS FAGGIT

tracecucks seething hard itt

>tracetroons btfo by one unironical schizo
best /ic/ thread in ages

tracing and the modern comforts of digital art lobotomized these people i swear. FFS havent they ever learned about still life studies or hand eye coordination excercises or anything like that in art class in middle school?? theres certain connections your brain has to make in your head to not rely on tracing (WHICH ISNT USEFUL AT ALL!!!!) i feel like if youre learning the very basics you shouldnt even be allowed to use a computer to do it. probably my most obnoxious opinion

>>7649081
>yeah you're so cool and badass with your complete lack of empathy
It's not a "lack of empathy", it's just very simple.

>Person says message saying he'll kill you
>not even "I hope you die" straight up "I will murder you if you keep doing this shit fucker"
>it's someone who you don't know
>better - it's some random ass no-name account
>better - it's some random ass account with a real name and so on and you can easily see this fucker lives on the other side of the world or hemisphere
>the threat is obviously hyperbolic, an expression of anger with no weight behind it
>laugh and disregard it

... Or are you saying I should have empathy for the people who chimp out and start sending death threats? Because no, lol they deserve to be ignored like the insects they are. Same for people who drive like maniacs but are outside of any threat range of me. Retards who are beneath me.

Or, did you mean that filtering your audience is bad, for some reason? It's better for your mental health AND business (if you aim to make money) to ensure you are reaching the people you actually vibe with, and that you aren't surrounded by people who will turn on you and backstab you the moment you do something that displeases them. Those people can pound sand.

Absolutely nothing I wrote is a lack of empathy, it's actually an excess of it. You cannot come to such an understanding without being able to position yourself in the shoes of others and really understand why someone might so such retarded threatening things. It makes you realize how little they matter.

And I wouldn't share this if I didn't think it would help someone else who is stressed out and scared.

I honestly wish people who did that to him perish in life. I would like to see you to try making a comic and deliver on time, alone, without taking any shortcuts.
You don't know how hard making a comic/manga is, people are just vile.

>Get hired by job for my skills
>My skills are fake
>Get fired by job for my lack of skills
>SAAR HOW CAN SHE SLAP?! WHY PEOPLE SPERG LIKE THIS?!

The jeets and chink mentality is becoming so proliferant that I'm convinced the fall of the west is imminent.

>>7649418
You don't even draw, why do you care?

>>7649424
Before you say it, pyw. I've dealt with fags like you before. If you're gonna make claims like that, surely (You) draw. Go on, I promise 100% I will post my work within seconds of yours.

>>7649428
No you need to post your work first (you won't)

>>7649432
Yeah, so you're a troll. I'm good.

>>7649433
I knew it lol, go on nodraw

the tracing no rules just tools faggots always get btfo all the time and would make up copes about tracing all the time. This thread is a great example and watch them come out of the woods works seething.

>>7649418
It isn't any different for other jobs, but art is the exception bcuz muh feelings or something

>>7649418
>Get hired by job for my skills
Most people are hired for their "soft skills" like the ability to work in a team, to make a good impression on the hiring manager and to cause the boss to prefer to hang around them rather than someone else when it comes time to see who to lay off.

>>7649443
You silly goose, those are personality hires. You need people who have actual skills to be able to carry the weight of those who only possess soft skills. Every manager knows you need a good spread between actual skills and community.

>>7649441
anon, it's because art isn't respected at all. Especially by non-artist. It's so bad that even some of the "artists" would defend tracing and misuse quotes like "great artist steal".

>>7649443
I don't think Japan cares that much about soft skills. That's more of a western thing, specifically American even

>>7649448
Art is not special, it's no different from painting walls, work in coal mines or being a bodybuilder, it's just another type of work

>>7649040
>Why care about integrity when content is all that matters?
This isn't even about integrity. This moreso is a culture clash. Some people think you will (or should) lose status for copying, others think you should not.

>>7649047
>Can i have your legal name and social security number, anon?
A belief that copying is fine does not come with an obligation to share all information.
It also doesn't come packaged with endorsing fraud.
>[F]raud is properly viewed as a type of theft. Suppose Karen buys a bucket of apples from Ethan for $20. Ethan represents the things in the bucket as being apples, in fact, as apples of a certain nature, that is, as being fit for their normal purpose of being eaten. Karen conditions the transfer of title to her $20 on Ethan’s not knowingly engaging in ‘fraudulent’ activities, like pawning off rotten apples. If the apples are indeed rotten and Ethan knows this, then he knows that he does not receive ownership of or permission to use the $20, because the condition ‘no fraud’ is not satisfied. He is knowingly in possession of Karen’s $20 without her consent, and is, therefore, a thief.
Therefore if you took someone's name and SSN and used it to attain assets that are intended for someone else, you would be engaging in fraudulent activities because the condition of transfer of ownership hinges on it going to "Anon" and not "Schizotard".

>>7649460
that's the point i'm making, art is just like any skill, job,etc. Fags would spit on it and saying stupid shit like pic rel.

>>7649474
lmao the actual readers really don't care, i think the "canceling" comes from other artists. i've honestly never dealt with a community that has as many jealous people as the art scene

>>7649483
>lmaooo people are jealous of cheaters in sports that's why the guy is banned and has his medals taken away
>LLmaoo people are jealous that the cheater/plagiarist got caught and kicked out of school for it
>L-lmaooo
chirst you tracing faggots are so fucking retarded.

>>7649492
Why do you think your opinion matters? He's doing for his readers and they DON'T CARE. They read for the story.
You're just an envious faggot who can't draw, can't make a story and can't even trace.

>>7649483
>le canceled le lmao
nigger, he got shitcanned because he was being a retard and putting the publisher at risk
go self publish on twitter if your entire consideration for your action is what some twitter trannies think

>>7649494
lot of nodraw accusations being made you have yet to put your balls on the table. Funny.

>>7649498
You won't pyw right?

>>7649494
>>7649483
Seethe, this will continue to happen no matter what. You will never make it and you scream "cancelling" for your actions. This happens everyday >>7646525

>>7649446
>You need people who have actual skills to be able to carry the weight of those who only possess soft skills.
Depends on the industry. A lot now are really just about projecting an image of professionalism to make number go up on the stock market. Others just need to be convincing enough to gather customer data with facade over a shit backend, so that the founders and investors can cash in selling it to some bigger company a few years down the line.

>>7649453
>I don't think Japan cares that much about soft skills
Japan and Korea both have this thing where you're expected to go to a bar after work with your boss and others. You are also expected to look like you're working even if you have no work to do. It's different soft skills but they are there.

>>7649492
>cheater/plagiarist got caught and kicked out of school for it
Plagiarism is an academic thing. Demonstrating that you can attain a result through simply using an "off the shelf solution" is not the same as demonstrating that you have acquired some skillset and knowledge. It's bad because schools are build around the idea that you go there to learn shit, and you only get the degree if you demonstrate that you learned the material to the requisite level required. The degree is the school putting their name on the line to vouch for you and say you meet a minimum level of attained knowledge and skills.
Most importantly though: The reason it is punished is because you are CONTRACTUALLY obligated to not do it while in an academic setting, because of what I already described.

>cheaters in sports
Professional sports also have rules that participants are CONTRACTUALLY obligated to follow. One reason why different leagues for various sports have ended up being created over time has been due to differences of opinion over what "should" be in the rules. Cycling is a great example of the multiplicity of what's allowed or not based on which ruleset you operate under. NJS and UCI regulations are very different.

>>7649504
>it is like it is, i don't want to think, is to much for my brain!

>>7649506
nta, provide a good reason as to why things ought to change for copying and reuse be punished in some manner (the manner and degree of which you would also need to justify)

>>7649510
I don't think it needs to be punished

>>7649441
wow, it's crazy on how right you are >>7649513

>>7649492
Yeah nigga, referencing is the same as cheating in sport, you are totally not the one who is the retarded dumbass here kek

those niggas wouldn't last a day on coding

>>7649559
very true dear sir bloody benchod donts the understanding

>>7643067
There's a difference between tracing pics you either took or commissioned yourself and tracing some shitty comic

>>7642507
>just traced the pose
>literally changed everything else
>BWEEEEEEEEHHHH HE CAN'T

>>7649601
>dumb esl nigger doesn't know what tracing is either on top of not comprehending basic english

>>7649559
as if vibe coders aren't looked at with disdain by other programmers. lmfao

>everyone knows the obvious differences between tracing and referencing and plagiarism
>anyone says it
>instant reply of "LMAO NO IT ISNT LIKE YOU SAY R U MAD R U MAD R U MAD PLS REPLY!"
>they're just showing how they wouldn't even survive a single day in the real world instead of the retarded shit they're trying to do
what a pathetic life holy shit
talking to myself really don't seem that bad now

pixelschizo really figured out the game
>makes his own threads
>just keeps posting
ngl i think he mogs any single one of you

>>7649652
Tracing and referencing are roughly the same thing, the first one just saves time. And when you need to deliver a product in time, it helps a lot. Many comic artists need to make dozens of panels in a week, they can't lose time trying to drawing from reference just because "uh... it's the right way, ok?".

>>7649690
I like you, Anon. You're fun.

>>7649690
Copying and tracing are also skills in and of themselves. Lining your own sketches is a form of tracing. Doing animation work and keeping things consistent requires tracing to a large degree, and being able to stay on-model is absolutely required if not doing a solo job.

Much of the animosity towards copying from retards is reserved for single pieces because they mistakenly think art is just some expression of a god-given talent where you are just some sort of special person with a physical equivalent of psychic powers. This means they view copying the IDEA as some form of stolen valor ("this is not from your spiritual muse, you fraud!" type of shit). People who don't know how the fuck creativity works are the most often to do this, as well as - if an artist themselves - the most likely to fall into impostor syndrome and depressive mood swings over it.

And yet, the reason the same sorts of people will respond like in that picture >>7649474
is because they take the whole comic, in aggregate, to be the creative work, even if the components are copied.

It's monumentally retarded because it's rooted in a false understanding of reality. Artists who cling to this end up never advancing very far, but artists who ditch it early rapidly get pretty damn good conceptually even when their technical skills are still really /beg/. It's one of the most limiting factors on your own ability and it's entirely in your control to remove.

Oh right one more thing to add to >>7649730
Unironically believing in the whole "talent vs untalented" bullshit is infinitely more indian than realizing everything is just fair game and learnable.

The reason pajeets copy badly is because they believe they are stuck at a certain level in life and are physically, mentally, and spiritually prevented from doing anything that will allow them to go beyond their caste. So they just wallow in it and copy just to be productive rather than to improve and push boundaries.

That's a huge difference.

>>7649474
It's almost like it was a mistake to give kids, browns and normies free access to the internet

ahahahaha traceniggers posting walls of cope nobody's reading fucking LMFAO

>>7642461 (OP)
how much money did he make?
how much money has he lost?

The thread that buck broke the tracing schizo...

>>7649793
>nobody
Nice attempt to try to force group consensus via ridicule of those who threaten you. Is that still the main clique coping mechanism in highschools?

>>7642489
>>7642507
Vilppu-Sensei said it best, there's no rules just tools so trace away anons.

>>7650061
Me, that Anon, and my other 39 personalities all agree that tracefag deserve to be ridiculed, especially when they're trying so hard to ragebait.

>>7642507
>KWAB
A fellow man of culture, I see.
Well, as much as you can call /pw/ cultured.

Why do people even try to find traced art in a random manga lol

>>7650276
It's a temporal lobe thing, you wouldn't get it.

You know, I thought the general consensus was that tracing is bad when you post it as your own. But with how far the overton window has shifted, and everything being a race to the bottom in terms of culture, politics, and money Im not surprised at all. Integrity doesn't mean much anymore when you see people getting away with it in all regards. AI is a perfect example of this, and the consooming retards who pay for it are even worse but if it pays the bills no one cares anymore.

Whoever is still trying to learn to draw is just as retarded unfortunately and it pains me to say it but drawing is pretty much a dead skill with how good AI can give you anything now. You can take anyone's style and mix and match it to get something you can pass off as your own as well. it's unironically joever

>>7650428
wow anon your post made me very heckin angery look i replied
good engagement bait
you pwnd me epic gamer style gg good game

>>7650437
theres some nuggets of truth in the ragebait

>>7650438
wow but if that is true how do you explain my feelings?
you totally got me btw
very epic

>>7650446
coping is a great way to make sure nothing changes

>>7650449
hnnng yes im coping so hard brother
troll me more please (its my fetish btw)

>>7650428
>But with how far the overton window has shifted
Pro-piracy, free culture shit is on the rise, yes. Within the art world, a chunk of millenials reacted strongly against the adopt craze's mafia tactics for trying to enforce their exclusivity, rarity and so on. Both millenials and zoomers got pissed the fuck off at nintendo and other companies stepping on fanworks and parodies. A lot of the anti-NFT side of shit was literally
>it's on the internet you can just right-click save it or redraw it or whatever

And plenty of people now realize that the world is so fucking big, the internet is so fucking big, that you can copy shit from anyone and it has 0 effect on them. You cause no harm by doing so.
Does copying make a shitty piece of art? It can. You can also do it skillfully, at which point people don't even recognize it as "copying" but as "homage" or "influenced by" or "referneced" even if you fucking traced as part of it.

The cypherpunks of the 2000s effectively won, it's just taking time for everything to fall into place.

To an outsider who doesn't know left from right, everything looks legit

>>7650456
If anything, I guess this was just the natural course of action in terms of art. The commodification eventually means it doesn't matter as long as it meets a surface level of quality. AI fits this narrative in every aspect so im not hopeful for much at this point.

>>7650455
more power to you, i like the character drawing as well fren

>>7650472
No you dumbfuck it's going in the opposite direction. The commodification got so overbearing that decoration is fucking exploding and people are instead looking for deeper shit.

It's unironically an example of accelerationism working.

>>7650477
Im not sure what world you're living in but people are consuming slop and the same general mill of the stuff things everywhere. the vast majority aren't looking for anything deeper when theyre satisfied with the decent enough quality of gen ai out there. meanwhile what would've been "deep" doesnt have a chance anymore because of the flooding. ive never seen anyone call that a success of accelerationism you sound like a peter thiel techtard

People with actual souls are craving meaningful stuff, bots and normies just consume bread and circuses i mean slop.
Always has been this way it's nothing new, just the medium changed.

this is the type of person who calls out tracing, are you guys going to consider their opinion ?
it was the kat n chat shit drama if not familiar

>>7650428
>You know, I thought the general consensus was that tracing is bad when you post it as your own
It has only been consensus after social media took off and midwits became the primary voice on society.
Terminally online zoomers and millenials are so mind broken by twitter cancel culture, they need to virtue signal and constantly invent new moral high grounds just to survive. They only feel safe if they "expose" and bring someone else down.
They have fake performative morality and pretend it's an insult to life itself to not just trace, but heavily reference something. They act batshit insane, because if some other mindbroken twitterina sniffs even a molecule of wrong think, they will be accused of the thing and tore down too.
>whaaaaaat?? you don't think that a guy who among hundreds and hundreds of own works traced 1 face and referenced 1 picture should be ripped to shreads?
>you are literally worse than Hitler! what has become of this society?? Nobody appreciates art the way I do! I am the only moral and virtuous person left... You should kill yourself!!!
It has only got that bad in the last 20 years. Social media destroyed empathy. Back then people understood that comic artists have insane deadlines and it's not big deal if a guy traces other comic artist every now and they. Of course they were viewed as lazy and a lesser artist than people who never traced. Now it takes just one slip and you will be lynched. And the people who lynched you? They will forget you even existed the next day. Just piranhas always looking for the next meal to tear apart to sustain themselves. Social media was a mistake.

>>7650500
hitler drank water
you bet i drink at least 6 liters a day

>>7650501
>you either are for tracing or youre le twitterina troon nigger virtue signal
>absolutely no attempts at a nuanced argument
Look faggot, if you trace shit you SHOULD NOT be tracing because it might get you in legal trouble and you get caught, get fucked
If you do nothing but tracing because muh deadlines, you shouldn't be doing the job because you're deceiving your consumer base
Then there is the question of WHAT you are tracing.
The fuck is the point to drawing if all you're doing is slower photshop?
If we go the route of
>y-y-yyeah but its fine if people steal shit JUST LET THEM ENJOY THINGS
then you have no right to complain when you fall victim to what you pushed because what's stopping big company from taking your shit and selling it as their own?
You want to sue them? lmao just let the multibillion company and their customers enjoy thing

fucking retard just shut the fuck up already

>>7650507
>then you have no right to complain when you fall victim to what you pushed because what's stopping big company from taking your shit and selling it as their own?
This is the number 1 thing retards don't understand when they talk about abolishing copyright

>>7650503
>>7648412
go back to your thread

>>7650508
I already expect a snarky response like
>y.y.yyeha but they already do it!!! lmao fucking outplayed!
i dunno man, trolling is one thing, but being a relentless faggot when no one is falling for it kind of makes you question if they're not actually underage and serious about the retarded ass shit they say

>>7650507
>>you either are for tracing or youre le twitterina troon nigger virtue signal
>>absolutely no attempts at a nuanced argument
Kek if you weren't so comically mind broken you'd understand the irony.
Okay, I'll explain. This is your insane interpretation and you are the one who doesn't see any nuance. You are exactly as I described - absolutely batshit insane zoomer with social media drama mind virus.
I am not even pro tracing. I think artists who trace deserve to be called lazy and viewed as less of an artist. I just don't think they should be publicly hanged and all their work cancelled. And I don't thing you should have a psychotic episode over it. Get well soon, lil bro.

What happened here lol over the span of one day?

>>7642461 (OP)
>>7642489
>expected to put out a whole chapter of this quality week after week
maybe we should just have reasonable expectations for comic creators

>>7650535
>UR HAVING LE PSYCHOTIC MELTY MELTDOWN BECAUSE LE WORDS ON THE INTERNET MAKE ME FEEL BAD LOL LMAO U ARE EXACTLY THE BOOGEYMAN I THINK YOU ARE AND U R LE MAD HEHEH KEK LMAOCOPTERING NOW STOP DISAGREEING WITH ME!!!! AND UR MINDBROKEN BTW LOOK I'LL EVEN BACKPEDAL AND CHANGE MY POSITION WHAT NOW? HEHE CHECKMATE PSYCHO!!
you sure say the exact same shit your boogeythey/them say when they are called out for their retardation
>i LE THINK
you dont think beyond the next minute nigga
shut the fuck up

Now am i mad nuclear meltdown? of course i am, because how else can you defend your hurt feefees over the internet
The internet is serious business, Anon, come kill my children in front of me, it will make for epic banter

I genuinely don't understand the argument that tracing is easier/saves time, why not just fucking draw what you want to draw? Unless they don't actually know what they want to draw and this is more of an aphantasia thing.

>>7651143
Bud, if the first thing you reply with is a buzzword babble greentext in all caps, you have nothing of worth to say. Gtfo

>>7651248
You're just showing that you can't read and have no self-awareness which make the greentext, which is a mockery of you and a pure unfiltered translation of your miserable mental state, even funnier.
>BUT I DONT FIND IT FUNNY
of course you don't
you'd kill yourself if you could read

>>7651288
If only you had intelligence to recognize sheer amounts irony in your posts. You have refused to engage intellectually with anything coming your way. All your posts are inane drivel. You can not express yourself past insults and trending meme-phrases. You sound and type like an obnoxious underdeveloped underage. But anyone older than 14 should still be able to hold a conversation. You can't. You are not worth anyone's time. This is going to be the last time I humor your worthless posts.

>>7651322
>WAAAAH U REFUSE TO ENGAGE IN MY BAIT BECAUSE I AM LE INTELLIGEN ND UR STOOPID AAAAH U FUCKING PSYCHO YOU SOUND HECKING AND MAKE ME FEEL BAD YOU CANT HOLD A CONVO AAAAAAH I AM SO SMART FUCKING CHECKMATED AND OWNED!!!!
you keep replying to me because getting replied to is the highlight of your miserable existence
You feel above me, right? Yeah, hold on to that feeling

Your """"""""arguments""""""" aren't worth engaging because you're a fucking retard and you're not """"""""""trolling""""""" anyone
lmao get shit on, nodraw

>wow just let people steal and enjoy things
>"No, stealing bad and companies will abuse it"
>AAAAAAAAAAH STOP DISAGREEING WITH ME YOU SOUND INSUFFERABLE
nigga never got told no by his daddy which still hasn't come back from buying milk

>plese abolish copyright saar
>no
>UR STUPID U SOUND IRONIC I DIDNT SAY THAT WHY R U CAPSLOCKIN SAAR U SOUND ANGRY hehe fucking outwitter redditsissters
mocking esl troons is always fun

>>7650428
>Low effort bait
You guys used to be so good at this but look at this AI jeet, this board is doomed.
Anyway Korean slop is garbage so who cares.

>>7650483
>the vast majority aren't looking for anything deeper
This has been the case for decades. What you're missing is that more and more people are DROPPING OUT of the mainstream the moment they find some other shit that tickles their fancy, because they can access it now and the divide between corpo slop and art with care is really stark now.

Yes boomers, most of genx, and a shitload of millenials and zoomers are still embroiled in the mainstream but as time goes on things are fragmenting more and more.

>what would've been "deep" doesnt have a chance anymore because of the flooding
Not correct at all. The advancement in communication has made subcultures evolve faster than was ever possible, and they frequently "infect" mainstream feeds a lot. Why do you think so many people are freaking out over cultural fragmentation? All over you see shit like
>"fringe ideas keep gaining traction wtf"
>"what ever happened to shame??"
>"I don't know how to explain to you that you should care about other people"
>"Look at all this degeneracy"
>"Society is cooked if people are able to do shit like this"

>>7650501
Much of this is correct but the conclusion is incorrect. These forms of interaction are very much how normies think, extremely aware of social hierarchies and using conformity as an existential "survival mechanism" against being exiled from a group or being socially targetted by psychos or BPD fuckers. This shit is breaking down though, there's much more talk about authenticity, truthseeking, and how mentally damaging it is to have to be masking and acting performatively 24/7 with no breaks for even normal people, not just autists.

Social media is a pain in the ass but it's one step of necessary chemotherapy on societal cancer.

>>7650508
>This is the number 1 thing retards don't understand when they talk about abolishing copyright
That's the intent. ANYONE can. Money comes from doing work, not from monopolizing an idea and sending thugs to attack any who copy it.

>>7651346
wow u sound like a bar of hard material falling unto the ground sir
please stop not agreeing with me sir
(i epic trolled you btw lol lmao kek you are stipud)

>>7650622
/ic/ is either being raided or has attracted a new schizo after cris left/died. Or one of our resident schizos got mindbroken somehow, or is off his meds.

The board gained hundreds of posts per day, all with similar poor-grammar typing styles and repeated motifs about being schizophrenic.

>in the vast enshitification of everything, we should just abolish anything that might protect a guy from making money off his own work so that third world niggers can steal it and if they don't companies can
>being able to capitalize on your work and protect it is bad saar
Niggas get shot for saying dumb shit like this
>>7651355
>epic trolls don't get replies no matter how hard they try
>be me
>be so magnanimous and give them all the (you)s they so desperately crave
>NOOOOOO STOP REPLYING AAAAAAAAAAH
nigga like no one is actually falling for the bait you uncreative faggots cast every single minute on every part of the internet because it would really be foolish of me to consider all the absolutely clinically retarded effeminate shit you post as actual serious posts

You're welcome
Also i'm probably the discord guy you're thinking i am and we're in the same server as well
also i'm a puritan having a meltdown because look how much i write because sane persons only write one word sentences insulting whoever doesn't make them feel heckin valid for saying dumb shit wich is also wrong and if they can't win the argument that means that their opposition is schizo psycho bigot twitter cris nosebro that other guy and a jealous crab

Like anon, 10 years on this board and you just keep repeating the same shit on a loop
You should genuinely kill yourselves.

Discord trannies really believe there are people on here who aren't aware of their tricks that they still actually believe that if they keep """""shitposting""""" someone who isn't aware of existing will actually take them seriously so they can argue with the usual trickery

I find it too funny to just keep waiting for fish to bite in an empty pond

>>7642461 (OP)
It's cute that some people still care about tracing in 2025.

>>7642507
this korean fag even traced the japanese katakana on the bottle KEK

>>7651350
>and they frequently "infect" mainstream feeds a lot.

are we really sure that's a good thing if the fringes of the extreme are the only things that break out and capture a sliver of the mainstream though. Not even trying to criticize but that seems like not a very good metric or standard to use

>>7651678
did this guy ever get cancelled for tracing ?

>>7651828
It's not even the fringes of the extreme, it's totally random shit.
People frequently comment on "wow the algorithm gave me some cool shit today" when a youtube video is thrown at them with 300 views in a genre they're not familiar with.
People make memes by mixing things from different subcultures, which exposes people of the main audience to others. Like putting some obscure anime music in a thing, makes people aware of that anime.

These are just simple examples. Every time someone goes "man I wonder what ever happened to [aesthetic or thing of the past]?" they can now look it up and find a thriving subculture of people who also enjoy it. For fucks sake some dude recently bought the entire Commodore computer brand and is making new ones now. There are new art subcultures popping up all the time, new aesthetic things, new music, everything. Some individual groups die due to poor standards of conduct, sure. But over time better and better practices that inherently weed out malcontents are becoming the obvious choices.

The fact is the mainstream is too slow to adapt to anything with the speed that it needs to now. The "wise old person" is a dead archetype. Parents stuck in the mainstream give shit advice to their children.

More and more people are learning that if you stay in the mainstream you will end up sick, poor, and angry that other people are becoming successful via "cheating". And "cheating" being doing shit other than what every other lemming says you're "supposed to do."

Just make what you like, regardless of whether or not you think it will be popular, and you'll probably find people who fuck with it.

>>7651848
>Just make what you like, regardless of whether or not you think it will be popular, and you'll probably find people who fuck with it.

At the end of the day, i just struggle with balancing the meaning and value I ascribe to it vs the possibility of making money from it. generative AI as a whole and implementing it and to what degree is probably something a lot of people are going to struggle with in the interim

>>7651843
>did this guy ever get cancelled for tracing ?
A bunch of popular artists like Sakimichan shat on him but a few months later nobody gave a shit about it, then he moved to Japan, got in the anime industry, worked on several anime and had a meeting with Hideo Kojima before the DS game came out so not really.

>>7651848
>Just make what you like, regardless of whether or not you think it will be popular, and you'll probably find people who fuck with it.
This advice is solid and it applies to most people, unless you're a turbo schizo that hates everything and everyone like me... Kidding aside I agree with you anon, that's a cool take on life.
You can always pivot and do multiple things too.

>>7651906
Where's that one page from a manga where an editor tells a mangaka to get his head out of his ass and start copying the poses from existing photos and other mangas already because that's what everybody in the industry does?

>>7651906
so what's stopping us from taking the tracing pill?

>>7651997
It's just an average tuesday for comic artist, gotta draw like 100 same face, and 50 different poses just for 1 chapter, not to mention backgrounds(that is fine to trace).
the loser in this thread who don't even draw gotta yap though and crash out.

>it's okay to trace if it's a comic

>>7652091
trace real life ref and not too obvious. You can cope and crash out harder though with your black and white thinking.

>>7652100
Why do you have to make it not obvious and why can't you trace other art?

>>7652102
ignorance of masses, cancel culture duh

>>7651936

>>7652102
nta
>Why do you have to make it not obvious
Because people are paying for you to have made new art and if it's too close to existing art then you aren't delivering on that. You have to add enough to cause it to become new art, then the other human who is paying to be entertained by your works is satisfied enough to throw more money and attention at you.

>why can't you trace other art?
You can. You just again have to make it non-obvious. Photographs and non-photographic art are treated almost exactly the same.

>>7652116
kek man and this doesn't even look like in 00s what date was this ?

>>7652116
this feels like the manga answer to Eltingville, lol. When Bill starts to work at that comic shop and the dickhead owner shows him the ins and outs of scamming the customers

>>7652116
holy based

>>7652116
shit, this was left to right

>>7652136
You can tell when manga is old because they hadn't invented
>STOP! You're reading from the end of the book!

>>7652116
OH NO NO NO tracing schizo is not going to like this one...

>>7652116
But no guys let me crash out for no reason, we shouldn't argue anymore just agree with my opinion that tracing bad wah!

>>7649029
I totally agree.
See >>7643067

Like WTF is this shit >>7642507
This:
>>7642939
>What you going to do, create your own human beings. Who you going to reference to, oh, God's creatures

I mean WTF? It is literally a woman holding a bottle. I'm sorry I did forget to use the humans with 9 eyes and 12 heads and the boobs on their heads for my comic

Because it is an anime woman holding a bottle! Like how many ways are there to draw this pose? Serious question!

>What you going to do, create your own human beings. Who you going to reference to, oh, God's creatures
I remind everyone of the old arguemnt that photography is not art it is theft because you create nothing you are only stealing from gods creation (actual argument made by religious people)

The same is true for 2D art you are creating nothing only stealing by making a inferior copy of gods work. If this was not true you should be able to sit in a bunker all your life and recreate all of your drawings from memory (like the sonichu comic).

2D art is so fucken toxic it is unreal
If a 3D artist perfectly recreates someone eases model everyone is congratulating him for his skill. Here the fuckers will lynch you for what everyone is doing

I can not wait for the brain dead fart sniffing argument where the good artists payed for their references however the bad artists did not or some shit.

Oh well you did not pay god for the picture of the mountain you referenced. You did not make all the clothing in the references yourself or the furniture!

The truth is that everyone uses references the difference is if some big shot wants to destroy you he calls your references "tracing"

Look here fagots >>7643067

Daily reminder
>Video games on steam
>Make a indie game
>For the videos literally trace your own cringe acting pixel by pixel, badly
>Get applauded as a genius for this.
>Get your steam game on the switch
>Make more money

WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY!

1/2

>>7652389
>>7649029
>>7642939

2/2

PS: Looks like the only thing free from tracing allegations is the sonichu comic!

1) Created without looking at any references
2) Was not traced from anything because the bodies do not conform to any human proportions!
3) Totally original

Is this what you fagots want?

WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY!

>>7652389
Post your (traced) work
Also no one gives a fuck about rotoscoping why are you even comparing the two, same with 2d > 3d, it's completely different

Honestly do you want to live in a world where every piece of 2d art is just traced off another piece?

What about the story? Doesn't anyone care a story they followed for 500+ chapters is getting cut off?

>>7642461 (OP)
Worked fine for him for 12 years

>>7642461 (OP)
Comic/manga/manhwa industry runs on tracing. Always has. There are literally only 3 ways you can go that are sustainable long term
1) You get yourself an army of assitants that do 90% of your work for below minimum wage
2) You trace
3) You are out of industry
The guy probably crossed someone among his publisher or asked for too much money or something like that. So they just kicked him out.

>>7652516
Author just wrote a summary of the final arc. Of course, people are mad in the English speaking side of the fanbase. Dunno about the Korean side. I mean, aren't they the one who turned this into a big issue

>>7649029
>Popular singers openly admit they neither write nor compose their music.
Do you know what a fucking "singer" is? It is not someone who composes music, if that was your impression.

>>7651906
He was one of the first online shitshow and I remember him having to make online excuses. Can't say if he dissapeared for a while or if his buzz died out because there was a quality drop out and he couldn't publish as regularly once he tried to not trace. He was trying to do a manga back then but I suppose that got canned because publishers (even online platforms) care about plagiarism or scandal. The controversy came back when he landed a job on the latest Ghost in the Shell show. His Motoko was very divisive, even for japs. This guy is a one-trick pony phenomena, though. Managing to make a whole carrier on the same pretty face and basic but good render skill. You'd think he would be more of an inspiration for /ic/.

>>7654146
This. It's like when Lance Armstrong got cancelled for doping then said everyone in the top 20 is doping.

>>7643067
wtf? why did the people in the bottom example look like the kid from gummo

>>7655140
So just call yourself "inker" instead of artist and trace as much as you want kek

>>7642461 (OP)
556chapters of internally dying because you need to list a billions of resources that you can trace in order to create one picture. Artist of this garbage have to be mentally retarded.

>>7655483
Nta and no. Inkers only answer to a command from an artist or a publisher and don't own the art they work on. They have permission to trace and they get money and recognition within the industry for it. Tracers don't.

>>7655782
>They have permission to trace and they get money and recognition within the industry for it
This post is worded in such a way that it carries an implication of inkers being just a fact of life that exist without people aiming to train for such a position. There is no deeper though, no consideration that this skillset requires - like every form of art - training using works you don't have permission to do, and the building of a portfolio to show your skills off.

It reminds me of the kind of person who leaves his cart in the parking lot and uses the justification that "it gives someone a job."

>>7656650
Yeah I assumed you weren't an insecure retard who think things exist in a vaccum or understand how recognition works.They work with artists and publishers and have a place in the industry... Of course they bring their skill on the table.
>tracing for portfolio
See, it all come down to how honest you are. Saying "I created this" isn't the same as "I used someone else composition but the lineart or colours are mine." Tracers are afraid of honesty for obvious reasons, especially when they moneytize their art. A Inker or colorist won't have that problem because they're selling themselve over a specific skill and are not posing as something they're not.
People aren't hating on tracers because they're tracing. It's because they're liars and posers. Majorities of tracers couldn't be inkers because they're lineart aren't good enough to begin with.

>>7657070
No one's gonna be honest about it the same way all olympic players use steroid but they tell themselves they're all natural or how most politicians and mostly leftist are grifters. It's just the way it is.

>>7657075
Yes if by no one's you mean tracers. Again, Inkers are a false equivalent to tracers. Tracers are not trying to be inkers.

>>7657070
>People aren't hating on tracers because they're tracing. It's because they're liars and posers.
Most of the hate against tracers that I've seen is actually because of them tracing.

They will yap about demanding credit but, if you do ink someone's sketch and post it publicly you may get a barrage of
>ERM DID YOU HAVE PERMISSION TO LINE THIS?
>HOW DARE YOU "FINISH" MY SKETCH WTF
>BOLD MOVE TO TAG SOMEONE YOU TRACED BUT GO OFF

Not to mention there's even insane idiots who will take the liars and posers angle to the extreme and try to claim "tracing" when a simple overlay of the images shows they're not aligned at all, just that the pose/etc was referenced closely or at most the drawing-over may have been done for early sketches before it was lined. In these cases it's more a bitchfit about copying ideas or poses or whatever. The worst seething occurs when the so-called tracer is actually producing better work than the one referenced.

Regardless, you seem to think the industry has some inherent level of prestige. It does not, that's only within a specific cultural subset. Increasingly artists are ignoring it and seeking (and obtaining) audiences without institutional approval. So they aren't beholden to the same rules and standards.
This, predictably, makes the people who do respect the industry mad as fuck.

I honestly can't tell anymore if you're all underage, desperate trolls or genuine retards
It's like, you are not even arguing, just making schizophrenic shit up about the other and arguing it be like you say because of what you believe people feel

I see this shit everywhere.
It really makes me think that Internet IDs actually are a good idea.

>>7657107
womp womp, no solution yet you think you are so special

>>7657107
Just use reddit man, not even an insult.

>>7642507
>gyaru or goth

>>7657089
>cry about getting caught
>cry about being asked to credit other works
>cry because they finished someone else rough without asking
>cry because they are attention whore who tag og artists so they reblog their stuff
Thank you for illustrating why tracers have no friends.
>you seem to think
> respect the industry
You seem to be too eager to move the goal post or too assblast to cope with the fact that having a contract and/or the explicit artist permission is why inkers are inkers. Inker is an industry job made to cut time. Independent artists can't afford or are not going to pay someone for doing something they can do. Deal with it.

>>7657595
>Say nothing and just do it and you get ripped apart by retards
>Provide credit and you get ripped apart by retards
>Ask permission to do it and you get put on blast for daring to ask something so offensive, and ripped apart by retards
>Don't even trace, just use it as a reference and you get ripped apart by retards
The problem is attempted enclosure of ideas, which has zero ethical grounding. It's the exact same mentality as people selling the build-a-bear equivalent of closed-species adoptables by classifying certain traits as "rare" and harassing those who make characters using the species without permission (ie without paying them).
>having a contract and/or the explicit artist permission is why inkers are inkers
>Inker is an industry job made to cut time
You have yet to explain why you think institutional approval is necessary, just asserted that it is. You can in fact go and be an inker-artist by just inking and finishing other peoples' sketches. Nothing stops you if the art culture you are in is not a toxic one.

Which is a greater point I'm making. The standards of what is "okay" or not vary significantly from location to location and pretending that some things that send people into a tizzy are universal when they're not is either a sign of ignorance or a brain fried by culture war-style triblistic or idpol thinking.

>>7651843
>did [FAGGOT] ever get [NOT REWARDED] for [FAGGOTRY]
anon we're almost in 2026 the world works literally the opposite way than you believe it should