>teaches art
>has no appealing or good looking art.
Any other examples?

>>7645128 (OP)
This guy’s not BAD but he’s not really good enough to be teaching either, definitely some Dunning-Krueger going on

>>7645128 (OP)
>Any other examples
95% of youtuber artists

>>7645128 (OP)
>>teaches art
>>has no appealing or good looking art.
>Any other examples?
Nearly every art teacher or professor at an institution

>>7645128 (OP)
why are you watching youtube tutorials you aboslute fucking retard

>>7645128 (OP)
>>7645130
He’s kind of a douchebag too who likes to be a hardass for the sake of being a hardass.

>>7645128 (OP)
kek this is the guy that "fixes" anime drawing right ?
You know what, I love that he exist and keeps proving that anatomyfags have no appeal.

>>7645128 (OP)
This is why you study anatomy, so you do nothing better in your life but "fix" already fine drawing

>>7645128 (OP)
If teaching art is your main gig, it probably means you failed to commercialize your art in any other way, which probably means it's unappealing dogshit
>any other examples
the drawabox cunt and proko are some low hanging fruit

He's definitely got some real mid/beg/ energy.

I think people like him get popular because beginners don't like listening to anyone who's too good. In days of yore there were people like Istebrak who was just as mediocre of an artist, and an awful teacher, but people clung to her because she speaks confidently and has art that's approachable as a beginner. You're never going to find a teacher who has amazing art because A. if they had great art they'd be making great art, not teaching. And B. Too good of art feels like magic voodoo to beginners, and they'll just tune out and convince themselves they can't understand anything.

How many more of these stupid fucking threads do we need? I get there's some youtubers that people don't like but goddamn there's like 4 of these threads. keep it all in one space or something, sheesh.

>>7645209
>beginners don't like listening to anyone who's too good
No, beginners don't like listening to anyone whose art lacks appeal like >>7645196
said.
That could be due to cultural mismatches or just it being heavily aimed at a particular segment. A lot of beginners are going to dismiss advice from artists whose work is completely different from what they want to do. Someone who is interested in painting furries with giant asses is going to have difficulty being motivated to read loomis or gurney, because he ALSO lacks the requisite knowledge of how that guy helps.

It's why a lot of these kind of "meh" artists can still get people to fucking draw and improve, because much of the time they are either hitting a niche that has little instruction otherwise, or are JUST keeping shit to the abstract basics. But a lot of art instruction is still sold on
>HEY LEARN TO PAINT/DRAW LIKE ME
rather than
>The techniques used to draw ANYTHING

It's to the point that I've been seeing instructors have to emphasize the fact that they are NOT trying to make a bunch of clones in their instruction, that they are NOT going to get on someone's ass for doing different subjects or style or whatever, but they are there to give people the tools to do what they want and so they can make their own informed choices rather than random ones or getting stuck.

>>7645128 (OP)
How the fuck do these threads stay up, I make a thread even remotely like this and boom, gone in 1 minute

>>7645231
I'm starting to think the jannies and the shitposters are the same people.

>>7645231
>>7645234
It probably depends on the time of day and what is going on elsewhere. Jannies are not board specific but some occupy themselves on specific boards.

reminder that pikat is based

>>7645241
She’s kino
And no I don’t wanna fuck her, I just think she’s based and for a mid 30s hag, she proves that it’s not too late to pick up a pencil.

>>7645241
imagine the smell

>>7645209
>I think people like him get popular because beginners don't like listening to anyone who's too good.
No, that doesn't make sense at all. Get your head out of your ass

>>7645209
I just think beginners threshhold for "good" is just "they're better than me? They're automatically good" especially when they're new and their eyes are untrained. As they learn more they start to understand that half the people they looked up to suck ass, and they move on.

>>7645273
You're more likely to listen to someone relatable than someone exceptional. It's not just an art thing, it's called Populism. People will look for any reason not to listen to experts for all kinds of things, then go ask plebbit and do whatever the top comment says. Or ignore researchers and get all their opinions from conspiracy bloggers on Joe Rogan. The advice of the world's greatest chef is no match for great grandmammy's words of wisdom. The skilled artists are all corpo sellouts and out of touch, you can't listen to them.

15 year old kids learning art don't listen to industry professionals. They listen to 15 year old kids learning art.

>>7645128 (OP)
That's like 95% of art teachers
Those cant reach, teach.

>>7645295
You don't understand populism at all if you think that's how it works holy fuck.
It's not about whether or not someone has expertise, it's about whether or not they're culturally aligned (or perceived to be culturally aligned - will elaborate on that next) with some alienated "elite" subculture that constantly shits on plebians. The reason some people get genuinely (not wagon-circling-ly) upset about populism is because there ARE grifters who create these divides through misinformation, by intentionally associating certain practices with outgroups to artificially inflate the severity of it. Associating random prosocial behaviors with white people is one example, as is calling all high ticket art money laundering or trying to imply everything is jewish or the cause of black people through spurious correlations.

It's not necessarily the information or expertise, it's the tone and relatability and "otherness" of said people. It's the fact that many institutions have grown to the point of being unable to reliably keep their noses clean and instead play whack a mole with scandals an corruption, and for a good chunk of people it's easier to just go "fuck all of them I don't have time to discern between all this shit if I have a big chance of getting royally fucked by listening to you." Rapid advances in technology and science have made strong, definite answers hard to find, and news media insists on portraying new findings as such despite everything. People have longer memories due to the persistence of information now, so they remember when a source provided bullshit. People remember their grandparents having constant heart problems during the "eggs are bad for you, eat margarine" era, which then became "oops actually the complete opposite was true sorry! eto bleh"

So when it comes to art, the "expert artists" making things professionally are doing what exactly? Working for blizzard? Wizards of the coast? Disney? And you wonder why they are called sellouts?

>>7645241
she's a dick recently calling herself not an artist. Just a good way to demotivate others, it's like those retards that tell you to study bones or just give up on art

>>7645241
She cant teach for shit howeverbeit. Her lessons are the same shallow shit that you get from most of these fucks cause shes more interested in pumping out something quick for the sponsorships then actually teaching the mechanics of drawing and design. If she didnt have a hot hag avatar no one would give a shit about her

>>7645333
she's a software engineer that use to work at riot that can draw, anon. That's the reason why.

>>7645316
Brother, all you did was make my own point back to me in more words, and for some reason make the case that it's based and plebpilled.

You really think /beg/s don't otherize talented artists?

/ic/ will argue about anything, my god.

>>7645333
No one can teach you retards anything.

>>7645241
she's a talented rat that doesn't know what being beg feels like

>>7645381
Nigger fuck off I can draw just fine, it just pisses me off that in an age where the keys to actually learning this shit are more accessible now then ever before its flooded with fucks like this that are more interested in making content and trying to be cool with nice editing and shit then they are actually teaching how this works. Like I look back on the Youtube shit that brought me in(markcrilley, Mikeymegamega, the older Jazza vids) and honestly most of these newfucks arent interested in actually teaching. Its all these quick catchphrases and surface level shit. If I were a complete noob I wouldnt be able to follow along with any of this, and with the knowledge I know now by actually doing the work the info they spit out is redundant. It helps no one.
Like I remember getting a course from Aaron Blaise, and while some courses from him are useful, I remember one vid where he was talking about the key to making good animation, and instead of explaining mechanics, he was doing a philosophy tangent for like half the vid. This does not help the fucking /beg/

>>7645196
>proko

Proko said it himself, there's no money in art (Especially in fine arts) even if you're good. You may be good at finding gold but if you sold shovels you would be a lot more wealthy because you'd take the winners and the loser's money. Proko most likely makes more money than any industry working artist today and he didn't have to go through all the BS for low reward. Talk to any industry artist and they tell you that these "Dream Jobs" aren't usually the best pay because there's high demand and the assholes are firing people then trying to recruit them as independent contractors in order to not pay them any benefits.

>>7645402
Because everyone should blindly jump into Loomis without knowing how to apply lessons? Got it.
I will never take advice from /ic/.

>>7645413
NIGGER I JUST GAVE YOU THREE FUCKING NAMES TO LOOK UP FUCKING SPEED READER

>>7645357
>You really think /beg/s don't otherize talented artists?
They don't. What you see is that there's a massive cultural gulf between different people learning art. Nobody agrees on who is actually "good" because of how many different subcultures and competing aesthetic standards there are. They aren't otherized because they're good, they're otherized because of culture clash.

Some absolute newbie /beg/ who looks up to fucking Krekk0v is not going to be interested in what Aaron Blaise has to say, one who idolizes Jack Kirby is not going to look at Bob Ross, and someone who really fucking loves the old masters won't sit thru Manben episodes. In each case the artist has to develop a greater understanding of art overall in order to gain the ability to swipe techniques and ideas from other art subcultures.

But most people when they start out just go "I want to do THAT. I ONLY want to do THAT. I want to be like THIS person. Don't give me shit for other art, they BORE me."

>and for some reason make the case that it's based and plebpilled
Nah, I gave a pretty balanced take and even explained that there are grifter. If you can't see that then you're mired in some kind of bullshit clique that considers acknowledging problems to be insubordination.

>>7645478
>They aren't otherized because they're good, they're otherized because of culture clash.
NTA, but yeah I think you're right about this

>>7645128 (OP)
Is this an ad? I checked his channel, and he can draw.

>>7645500
>he can draw
Yeah, but not very well.

>>7645259
How do you know she's mid 30s, always thought she was early to mid 20s

quite unironically and sincerely, is peter han/loomis/vilppu the only artists that has successful decades-long professional careers while also being good teachers as well?? unironically
watson/huston/proko etc. while good teachers as the above, i dont really see any noteworthy pro works from them

>>7646179
She is also fat.

>>7646179
She allegedly graduated from high school somewhere around 2008.

>>7645209
>. if they had great art they'd be making great art, not teaching. And B. Too good of art feels like magic voodoo to beginners, and they'll just tune out and convince themselves they can't understand anything.

That's not relevant in 2025. You don't need to be a teacher to teach for platforms like Coloso. You're given a template by the staff and all you gotta do is hit the record button on OBS and spit some lyrics.

There are a few times his final drawing is worse too, the one I can remember is the neck one, the video where he says you dont need creativity to make art rubed me the wrong way too

>>7646681
Lemme guess:
>Ching Chong Ching Chong fundies are infinitely more important than creativity and if you don’t spend 30 hours a day on fundies than you’re lowlife garbage Ching Chong Ching Chong

>>7645131
name 10 bitch
>not 10 that have been named in here over the last 10 years

>>7646699
He basically said that creativity and imagination are not needed to create art, then he said art are fundamemtals and blah blah ah

Ok sure, fundies are important but without creativity and imagination you are not really going to make memorable art, an example of this IMO is Murata, Murata never managed to hold a publication on his own because he is just not a creative person unlike ONE. Also you could put proko on here.

>>7646530
pics?

>>7646856
Someone with good mechanical skill needs to be able to communicate. You need to either be fantastic at communication and empathy, else there's no reason to work with you over someone else who is cheaper. This is usually how duos work - one guy is the "idea guy" who OFTEN is an artist but just not that good, while the other is the "art guy" whose ideas aren't that great but his skills are fantastic and he can make a deep personal connection with the other to do good shit.
If you're creative on your own you can do a lot of cool shit, albeit you still need to bounce ideas off other people.

If you're neither then keep art as a hobby and just make and post things you like, as many people have done for decades. It's not a necessity to chase numbers unless you aim to be a professional artist.

>>7646602
oooof
boner ruined

>>7646355
Before the mid-to-late 20th century, almost all art instruction books were written by accomplished artists.

John Gadsby Chapman, who wrote "The Elements of Art" (also known as "The American Drawing-Book"), was a successful historical and portrait painter, and was commissioned by the US Congress to paint "Baptism of Pocahantas." He also illustrated numerous books. "The Elements of Art" is a pretty important and underappreciated milestone in art instruction books, and was widely emulated by others after its publication in 1848.

Frank Howard, who authored "The Science of Drawing" and "The Sketcher's Manual" was a member of the Royal Academy and illustrated published editions of Shakespeare.

"How to Draw the Marvel Way" presents lessons from John Buscema (albeit with text spiced up by Stan Lee), one of the most prolific and admired comic artists of the 1960s and '70s.

Loomis was a very successful commercial illustrator, as were Victor Perard, Cliff Young and others. The Famous Artists School correspondence courses were designed by such elites as Norman Rockwell and Albert Dorne.

If you want to learn from people with real credentials, the resources are out there and many of them are available for free. The problem is that millennials and zoomers are allergic to reading and want everything spoon-fed to them in short, attention-grabbing videos.

>>7645386
lel

>not a single example posted all thread
no I will not go to his youtube. What the fuck happened to this place?

Nothing surprises me anymore about /ic . Stop crying, nobody owes you anything, if you don't know how to draw, just draw.

>>7646681
>you dont need creativity to be an artist
>is a youtuber larping as an artist
you can make this shit up lmao

>>7646681
>you dont need creativity to be an artist
>is a youtuber larping as an artist
you cant make this shit up

>>7648152
oh here is the first and last video I watched from his channel
Granted it's 7 months old, but he is hundreds of subs and taught for a year before this

>>7648152
I assumed it was some grifter, but it's the "A common mistake artists make" guy.

>>7646355
There's a few.
The problem is that a lot of good art instruction is locked away either as an inperson class thing, 1-on-1 instruction, or books that struggled to gain traction.

There's tons of instructional art books with no pirated/pdf copies available, which limits their reach. Most artists - yes even good artists - are fucking terrible teachers, and the artists who would benefit from said books have no emone, so gambling on even a $40+ USD book is out of the question. They have to have a solid case made before buying a thing, and typically that's done via PDF.

But few of these fuckers release their shit in PDF format, with a lot being from before computers. PROPERLY scanning books requires disassembling them, so if you want to keep a good one for your shelf this becomes insanely risky as you need 2 copies. So you need to have a buddy to straw buy another copy of the book for you or similar weird means of obtaining it, since it will seem suspicious otherwise once the author or publisher catches wind of it being pirated.
Also, a lot of artists are retardedconditional class/income-based IP-worshippers so a lot with the means to scan books won't even think to do it unless it's from someone who the think "deserves having their shit pirated" due to their income level/fame.

>>7645158
vilppu comes to mind

>>7645128 (OP)
His videos are mostly about anatomy. He clearly knows anatomy but maybe he's bad at creating visually appealing drawings. Kind of like me I consider myself pretty competent in anatomy but the drawings I make are shit because I have next to no sense for appeal especially color.

>>7645128 (OP)
I'm convinced this guys channel was focus-tested to crab begs
>"in order to draw anything you need to start with a perfect box in perspective first"
>"""fixes""" the anatomy with a box
>it looks worse

>>7645241
I would totally creampie her until her belly is swollen

>>7645128 (OP)
>REMINDER: This man gets 200k likes on YouTube.

>>7650879
An example of the art he teaches.

>>7648152
>>7649004

>>7645128 (OP)

I only accept tips from people if they draw realism/hyperrealism.

>>7645128 (OP)
Was about to make a thread on this but found this one.

I always employ the strategy of, before I start watching/reading their lessons, I always check out their artwork first. I'm nooticing a trend in which highly recommended art teachers often times make really bad art.

Low hanging fruit is Irshad from drawabox, his art is absolutely atrocious. Yet he is so highly recommended by tons of people on the internet. see picrel for an example of his art, which funnily enough is riddled with perspective errors (something he hammers in his lessons) especially on organic forms like people.

>>7655563
To further add to this, Another example is CTRL + Paint, Matt Kohr, that I see keeps getting recommended. People recommend him for digital art lessons, but one look at his artwork made me immediately dismiss those recommendations. Looking at a list of his artwork everything looks so drab and forgettable. This may be a matter of personal taste though.

>>7655570
My final hot take, which I know will anger a lot of people on this board, but I really dislike Glenn Vilppu's art.

Looking through his drawing manual book, this was immediately apparent. The guy mastered the fundamentals, but he really doesn't make appealing art. I can't sit through this book looking at figures like this.

>>7645128 (OP)
i watch this guy rather
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTAfWBAIHwU

>>7655584
IMO, unless you're in contact with the teacher for feedback, no teacher should really be taken seriously. You're not going to get better education than just watching people who are good at art draw, start to finish. Find some streams or timelapses, you'll get 100x more out of it than any tutorial. Honestly, I think this has a lot to do with why the zoomies are getting so good at drawing.

>>7655617
Well, the thing is, there does exist art teachers that make appealing art. Loomis immediately comes to mind here.

>>7655584
> I really dislike Glenn Vilppu's art.

Same, I never got the hype and feel like he's a bad teacher for beginners, I also can't stand his voice he sounds like he needs a glass of water permanently.

My hot take is that Michael Hampton while being a great place to start for construction doesn't really have appealing art. His art looks very study-brained like it's been affected from his years of using shorthands and simplifications to convey ideas making his art feel too textbook anatomy and stiff imo.

>internet "art teachers"
>despite not being that good they get thousands of views/followers
>"how is this possible?"

you are omiting something, people who watch this content. it may sound retarded but the people who watch "this method will improve your art in a month" barely touch a pencil.
in top of that, even if the old masters souls get revived and put in a single human vessel with the only purpose of teaching people art, their content would be ignored by the majority. People dont want pros teaching because they feel the skill gap is too much to handle, so they will keep watching mediocre artists they can relate to or that they think they can surpass, but in their own stupidity they dont realize that just by following artists that dont apply anything they teach they stagnate.

ALSO, notice how they have a tendency to only talk about anatomy most of the time? this is because even the worst /beg/ u can imagine, can pick loomis books and explain the first 15 pages about anatomy

>>7655692
I definitely agree with your points on Hampton. He definitely breaks down construction really well, but he doesn't make appealing art. I also nooticed that he has a ton of accuracy issues in pretty much all of his reference studies.

Look at pic rel, that head looks nothing like the reference. And because of his very blocky construction the final head looks like that.

>>7655733
Another example

>>7655744
And one more of a video I just watched. It helped me figure out some landmarks of the skull, but the skull Hampton drew looks nothing like the reference.

>>7655570
i think ctrl + paint is a case of judging technique more than taste, in terms of what you actually see in that picture the values, edges and forms read well which is what you are meant to take away from him

well /ic/
why haven't you become a sloptuber and started teaching??

>>7655757
You can tell Hampton has developed such strong muscle memory because those skulls have different perspective

>>7645402
>he was doing a philosophy tangent for like half the vid. This does not help the fucking /beg/
yeah I noticed that a lot of western artists/teachers go directly into theory (which assumes a lot of prior knowledge or experience) and if you're lucky they'll show you a little bit of how it's applied. begs don't need this- they need step by step instructions on the basics.