Thread 7650369

It's fine....

Overall i think it's fun. Most anons would make you believe that it's soul draining but i think it's not if you are creative. But people don't take your art seriously and they'll give you fake praise just to get free art from you. Other artists are not your friends too cause they're mostly female fujoshi's that will block you for petty reasons. I wish nsfw artists would be more creative instead of chasing trends. I'm not going to masturbate to a trend. Don't expect a nsfw artist to innovate. What do you guys think?

>>7650369 (OP)
it was soul draining, lasted a year doing nsfw, but it might be just commissions in general, i dont know because i rarely got sfw comms. not everyone enjoy strawberries, but some do

>>7650369 (OP)
Only true coomers should get into it. If you're not suited for it, you'll get burnt out. If you can't handle close family members finding you what kind of stuff you are into, or not knowing if payment processors or socials medias sites will suddenly ban you, you shouldn't get into it. Look at the OnlyFans girls, only certain types of women can handle that kind of life for more than a few years. Schizos, stalkers, people always trying to cancel you etc. Depending on what you draw, you can attract more or less of these people. And what is acceptable now might not be in the future.

Humanity would be better served without coom artists

in my experience, nsfw artists are either the chillest people around or complete psychos who hold petty grudges forever

I stay away from nsfw because ironically nsfw artists are extremely childish
also i have way more opportunities to make money with sfw

>>7650369 (OP)
Eh, you haven't really said much of worth, just a bunch of standard vagaries around the job. And you're asking us what we think? Think about what? About nsfw artists?

>About nsfw artists
Personally, I don't mind nsfw work at all, I see plenty of it on my time timeline, because apparently a lot of the artists I like also like drawing smut (not that I follow any artists explicitly for it).
That said I do have some thoughts on it, such as adult fan art of children's characters being somewhat immoral - because yes kids do somehow stumble onto that shit, and are seemingly more likely to do so; I wonder just how many kids saw mlp porn during its heyday. I also think that such "fan" art is more likely to have a negative effect on the kids - there's something about having this thing you know being distorted like that, that I think, gets under the kids skins and effects them more and influences their sexuality.
I'm sure many of us had our first experiences with adult content be porn ads of the Simpsons or something, and we likely still remember it, less because it was our first experience with porn, and more so because it was porn of something we knew.
This doesn't even touch upon how it effects the public's perception of that piece of media - mlp will likely forever be associated for bronies and porn - is that fair to the creators of the original media?

I think there's also something to be said for just the AMOUNT of smut that's being produced these days... we're all drowning in it, and I do worry that it's having a negative effect on all of us. This isn't an attack on porn, or any individual creator, but just on the sheer amount of it.
Coomers are living it up, but greater society is dealing with the sticky aftermath.

>>7650493
if this board still had people you'd be probably called all types of names by now while porntards tried to bait you into inane arguments

>>7650502
the board has 3x more people than it had in 2010, stop coping about nobody reading your reddit essay about drawing cartoon dicks, retard

>>7650528
He's responding to MY reddit essay about drawing cartoon dicks, retard.
You've been here how long?

>>7650536
esl pls go

>>7650538
>"Uh-oh, I've looked like an idiot on 4chan, how do I respond in the most cliche way possible?"
new script please, faggot.

>>7650493
This probably explains why a large chunk of Gen Z is some form of queer and they pride themselves upon it

>>7650539
seriously, learn english, retard

>>7650543
Ah, then (You) don't need to worry, when I say 'you are a retard'.
Don't worry, that was just a general comment thrown out into the ether, right faggot?

>brownoid unironically can't into impersonal pronouns
>seethes brownishly
lol

>Faggot btfo
>Can't respond anymore but pretends he won.
lol

>>7650536
>>7650539
>>7650548
...Why are you so viscerally butthurt about someone repudiating someone else's comment about about board traffic? You're literally making it look like you were samefagging in the first place.

>[effeminate brown seethe intensifies]
let me guess, you're a flip

>>7650553
I don't care, I'm just having fun responding.

>>7650556
Sure, buddy.

>>7650557
Thanks for believing me, buddy.

>>7650555
Honestly though, this lame bitch move of not actually responding to the person takes the fun out, so I guess we're done here.

>>7650559
i dont understand the psychology behind responding to a post without actually responding to it. it just seems petty and bitchy, like something you'd expect from a highschooler. which makes a lot of sense, seeing as how it's summer and all.

It's only soul draining if you only get commissions you don't find hot

>>7650369 (OP)
I created a thread for coom artists to better themselves, you got to experiment and this thread is the opportunity. >>7647642

>>7650369 (OP)
NSFW only sucks if you're stuck in commission purgatory, there's a reason that having a successful Patreon that you only have to update once every few days is the dream

>>7650570
>i dont understand
It's literally explained in the post you replied to, it robs the terminally online retards of their dopamine fix

>>7650369 (OP)
>Other artists are not your friends too cause they're mostly female fujoshi's that will block you for petty reasons.
Why are wamen like this?

>>7650402
>Humanity would be better served without coom artists
Humanity would be better without porn and sex so we all go instinct.

>>7650369 (OP)

It's very soul draining for me. The people who consume my kind of artwork have very high standards for it, and I'm constantly needing to mull over every detail to make sure it's actually fapworthy. I kinda wish I didn't pick this route as an artist.

>>7650493
As a millenial coom artist, if/when I ever have kids I will refuse to allow them internet access until they are of an appropriate age, and it will only be under supervision.
Many people I know are like this. I've had this stance since before I became a coom artist and nothing has changed.

>>7650540
GenZ has younger-boomer parents at the oldest but mostly GenX parents. GenX is generally seen as the generation that "built the internet and the tech industry," but this was actually just a minuscule slice of them. Most ignored computers and were blackpilled by the low-labor-demand workforce. Millenials and zoomers bitching about boomers not retiring pales in comparison to when there was hordes of boomers with half to two thirds of their career remaining before retirement was an option clogging up all positions.

So what happened is that as GenX aged, the ones who got left behind by tech but managed to have gained some form of stable employement mostly have embraced it in the most retarded consoomer manner, living beyond their means. They are the ones who buy all the smart shit and raised ipad babies with unrestricted internet, to try to catch up. Crap like Youtube Kids was a reaction to this irresponsibility, but a bunch of GenZ and probably earlier Gen Alpha is fucked up because their parents treat tech like fashion rather than tools.

>>7650528
>this board has quinputle the people it had in 1950
Yes and all those people are me.
btw even the essay is me
btw even >>7650528 is me as well
4chan is one guy

>>7650543
>wrong contextual use of words
>uses the absolutely wrong source to try and somehow keep face on fucking 4chan
>call others illiterate esl
sasuga zoom zoom trooner chink fr no capping with dem ebin bantz lolxp tiananmen square massacre type sh*t

>>7650493
>Coomers are living it up
Sure shows by the amount of unhinged misery they display when anyone dares to even allow themselves a mild non-positive slight directed in the general direction of adult content

They're junkies and parasites that have infested every facet of society who simply should have their opium taken away from them because they can't handle it.
It's the same shit with alcohol and nations who have culture around drinking; so many people want to drink but they can't handle it and addiction to alcohol keeps increasing every year.
It's not the thing's fault, it's just that people need to be gatekept hard so that it doesn't get ruined for everyone else.

>>7651448
btw
same with politics
same with videogames
same with comics
same with film making
same with any job for that matter

but it's too late to fix anything because the retards who shouldn't be where they are, are in places where they get to decide despite being unfit for their positions and the only realistic way to fix everything is either societal collapse or wait until all the normies die off

This is why trannies seethe about gatekeeping, because they know if there was any kind of quality control in any industry, their less than mediocre subverting asses wouldn't be let in

>>7651448
>the amount of unhinged misery they display when anyone dares to even allow themselves a mild non-positive slight directed in the general direction of adult content
It's not misery, it's reflexivity because, while it USED to only be unhinged christcucks who went after NSFW, now you have all kinds of people across the belief spectrum acting on
>If I personally find it gross then that means it should be socially shamed. What? No the things I like are completely different.

It's actually pretty rare to see someone who goes "I don't like porn but you do you" in any kind of discussions.

>it's just that people need to be gatekept hard
This is the same philosophy as that tyrant Rosseau:
>“Everything is good as it comes from the hands of the Maker of the world, but degenerates once it gets into the hands of man”

>>7651454
The solution is to just allow people to discriminate and fragment. "General society" is too big. There never was a unified monoculture, people just didn't have the ability to travel fast enough or communicate across great enough distances to see how different they really are from even their own COUNTYmen, much less countrymen.

>>7651465
>It's actually pretty rare to see someone who goes "I don't like porn but you do you" in any kind of discussions.
I like big anime titties as much as the next guy but i will still criticize what needs to be criticized.
And then a guy gets told they're a puritan who hates sex because they aren't praising and worshipping porn and justifying (devaluing) their criticism through emotional appeals after every sentence.
Like how many essays i read and hear that start with criticism and then followed by 5 minute sections of
>"pls gaise i love XYZ pls i love it i dont want to hate on it pls dont kill my family"
It's because the masses are allowed to move freely, when they should not.
>“Everything is good as it comes from the hands of the Maker of the world, but degenerates once it gets into the hands of man”
Pretty much.
The plebeians who do not wish to elevate their understandings beyond shallow platitudes, their own feelings or do not want to understand their enemies should not be let in charge of an army.
>The solution is to just allow people to discriminate and fragment.
Oh no but you can't do that because it's -ism and you're a xyz-ist if you dare not allow the tranny to touch your kids, i mean let pornographers upload porn on yt kids, i mean let paid critics nominate propaganda for awards, i mean let people without a shred of real personality or original thoughts when their existence is just their sexuality in charge of writing stories and characters, i mean you don't want to be a bigot and ruin investor's chances of selling product to brain dead zoomer consumer base, do you?

>>7651487
>And then a guy gets told they're a puritan who hates sex because they aren't praising and worshipping porn and justifying (devaluing) their criticism through emotional appeals after every sentence.
The thing is that you don't need to criticize it unless you have a personal relationship with a person who you have evidence that leads you to think is damaging their life through it. You can just go "yea not for me sorry" and leave.

If you go beyond that then yea you'll get pushback, same as if someone went into a bar and started criticizing drinking. What the fuck are you expecting?
>the masses are allowed to move freely, when they should not
>Pretty much
Centralized power can be used by anyone who has the keys to it. You do not want that, because it can be used against you. The idea that you can wipe out all bad things if "the right people" have a lot of power is a fantasy.
>Oh no but you can't do that because-
I mean that vegans should be allowed to refuse to give bank loans to meat-eaters and gay people should be allowed to be able to refuse to rent apartments to straights and racists can sell groceries only to people of races they like and a pornographer-friendly fire department can refuse to sell their services to puritans.

And people like you can decide that you will not offer internet service or sell cars or gas or clothes or whatever to people who are for any of the things you listed.

>>7651525
>you do not need to criticize it unless
not how it works since i am not criticizing people, as in a non-generalized manner

In the end it matters if it's true or not, not any kind of authority or personal connection over the subject.
And wait
when you say you got personal experience, then it's
>lmao ur projecting
And when you say you know someone it's
>lmao not me tho
always trying to deflect
Without fucking fail every single time, that's why any counter replies are always personal attacks and assumptions about the speakers affiliations.

>you can just go not for me sorry
yeah you can do that but it's always the old game of rules for thee but not for me
Sure, you don't go on porn sites and tell them to repent, and when they do it's trolls or just jokes
But the instant you tell them any place where porn shouldn't be present either because of common decency, because it's not a 18+ only site where porn is the focus or because it adds absolutely nothing of value to a discussion or general, they won't stop seething
Then they get banned and blame the puritans in their heads

Do you really want these animals to have free access to everything?
>centralized power
yeah anything can be abused and exploited in the extreme cases
On the other hand, the majority of people just their own worst enemies that make their own problems everyone elses.
>I mean that...
Yeah, and if i society keeps rotting on like it is now, that's coming, because again; people can't be left on their own.
And those are all identity tied examples, which is exactly what is fucking shit up right now.
Xyz is not something they consume, but they build their entire identity around it, because they are dumb cattle, and if that wasn't the case you wouldn't have orgs that protect groups from any kind of not-positive comments or demonize anyone reading statistics or have hate speech laws

Porn has become quite literally the majority of normie's personalities
And i'd take the lesser headache at this point

>>7651679
>Without fucking fail every single time, that's why any counter replies are always personal attacks and assumptions about the speakers affiliations.
Because it's a personal subject? If you go at a subjective thing treating it as if it's objective, and talking to other people as if they're just all the same - ignoring their individuality - then when their experience makes what you say seem wrong they'll of course react negatively.

>any place where porn shouldn't be present either because of common decency, because it's not a 18+ only site where porn is the focus or because it adds absolutely nothing of value to a discussion or general
I don't see shit like this occur often. Maybe you're just looking in shit places where people don't behave at all in general and are constantly trying to troll and 1-up each other.
Or maybe your standards of "common decency" are too strict. We live in a pluralistic world, you gotta just accept that what's "common decency" or "common sense" is actually culturally-specific.

>those are all identity tied examples
They're not. Most are concept-tied. If you believe something to be right-action or something else to be wrong-action then you will conflict with people who believe the opposite. Freedom of association layered over strong ethics against initiation of violent conflict helps prevent a lot of problems. People can self-sort, and they already are doing so online - including checking out from the mainstream areas once they find a good place.

The problem that occurs is that you have people who may believe similar things as you, but mistakenly think that people who are good with NSFW content are simply violating norms rather than of a completely different subcultural group. And they are MUCH more aggressive in trying to shame people, which is something that only works on ingroup members, or get content shut down or removed from the gooners' own spaces.

>>7651695
>ignoring their individuality
But that's their own issue, which brings us back to what i said before; people build their own personality on frivolous shit that they cannot even be considered people anymore.
Of course i am aware they sperg out, but how the fuck is that my problem? Ultimately they are in the wrong and should be removed from society or at least not be allowed to interact with people because they are incapable of reason.
>I don't see shit like this occur often
I do because i have no life and am online 24/7 and the only thing i can do is study and observe.
And it's not about personal beliefs eithers or what i personally consider.
If we start saying that common decency is on a a "spectrum" then why is saying that gays molest kids suddenly hate speech? Maybe it's my spectrum? Maybe i just want to go kill people? Just let me enjoy a murder spree? Maybe i want to go fart and shit myself in restaurants and masturbate on the table? Gotta be plurastistics bro.

>they not identity tied
Yes, they are, Anon.
Gay, vegan, tramssexual, straight, eating meat, playing videogames or liking porn are not personality traits that need to protected from any criticism or jokes. But normies treat them like they are, because they have no soul and just want to consume and get their dopamine fix.
You really don't want these "people" to have any say or any amount of power in any manner whatsoever because they are driven by nothing but emotions and the pursuit of personal gratification, which will inevitably lead to the scenario you portrayed.
Do i need to remind you about the christian bakery refusing to bake a gay cake?
It was only bad because the christians, which are the "bad side", refused to bow down to the "good guys".

Maybe if people get uppity that the thing they like is not being liked or praised by everyone else, maybe they don't have the intellectual and emotional maturity to be around people and should stay int their homes where they don't bother anyone?

>>7650369 (OP)
>Other artists are not your friends too cause they're mostly female fujoshi's that will block you for petty reasons.
What a weird statement. sounds like you thought you would get a GF or something and just weirded them out? Afterall why the fuck would you orbit fujo after fujo anyway?Are you a fag too? I wonder what " petty reason " entails if happened enough to deserve mentioning randomly.

>>7651728
>people build their own personality on frivolous shit that they cannot even be considered people anymore
If someone decided "hey I like this" and then you come in saying "you shouldn't like that" and present no compelling reasons as to why liking a thing is detrimental to their wellbeing, goals, or etc, then they will tell you to fuck off. If you instead press the issue then you will be rebuked.
Claiming that this is "their personality" an demonstrates an inability to mentally construct the idea of a person who has had a completely different life experience from yourself.
>Ultimately they are in the wrong and should be removed from society
Do you not understand why people would react strongly to this? Jesus fucking christ. If someone came up to you and interacted by viewing your nolife browsing as a sin and that you need to either go volunteer at a soup kitchen in your free time or be removed from society (which implies "at gunpoint") you would react the same way.

>If we start saying that common decency is on a a "spectrum"
I didn't say that, I said it's culture-specific. It's "common decency" in some places to pick up your bowl when eating and in others it's rude. Neither of these are initiation of force against other people, just like enjoying NSFW isn't, but if you go into someone's house who finds picking up your bowl to eat rude they can kick you out via revoking your permission to be there. Same with the shitting on the table example. Your other examples are not comparable because they are violating peoples' rights which makes them impermissible.
>personality traits that need to protected from any criticism or jokes
Never said they are.
>You really don't want these "people" to have any say or any amount of power in any manner whatsoever
They don't have power over me, I don't give a shit.
>Do i need to remind you about the christian bakery refusing to bake a gay cake?
I am for people being able to refuse to enter contracts with others for any reason

>>7650995
>Humanity would be better without porn
exactly

>>7651804
No anon if i say something that aims to criticize the subject and someone comes at me calling me an """"anti""", it's 100% sure they're feeling personally attacked because they make the thing their own personality.

Maybe you should stop trying to portray me as someone who is incapable of actual criticism.
>but do you not understand
I do and have said it multiple times that they make the thing their personality, which makes them NPCs, bots, cattle, normies, but again, how the fuck is that my problem? You're just asking me to repeat myself.

>he actually doesn't know what common decency is
>missing the context this hard
Common decency isn't culture, Anon.
Or do you know of some widespread culture that enables and encourages people to have sex on the street or otherwise be a nuisance to others for their own self-satisfaction and is totally seen as normal?
Just because narcissistic and egomaniacal behavior is now widespread due to social media brain rot and asylums getting abolished and society being dictated by mentally ill animals by virtue of majority, doesn't mean it's normal or sane.
>the rest
Ok?
>I am for people being able to refuse to enter contracts with others for any reason
Interesting, because that's part of what common decency is about.
You don't want to have religion or otherwise cults or ideologies forced upon you, and it's your right to not get swarmed by it in public places. That's why western schools got rid of religion classes or were made optional.
But the tone changes when this same rule is attempted to get applied to any matter of sex and sexuality, because then it's
>"le puritans"
and
>"but the puritans did it now its our turn"
If common decency was alive and well, you wouldn't have faggots making a scene because people who don't align with them didn't want to take their money.
Or the entire alphabet soup trying to force their shit everywhere and jail anyone who dares not welcome their cheeks spread wide open.

I find NSFW to be a simultaneously oversaturated and untapped market. The latter end is where the fun is. As for the former, so much of the NSFW scene is stereotypical, soulless, boring, and predictable slop. Adding AI onto the pile makes it even worse.
Pieces end up being
>Girl or faggot in void, no backgrounds or setting, 0 to 100 degeneracy
NSFW OCs boil down to
>le smug or shy femboy, bimbo, goth girl, dissatisfied housewife, ugly bastard, corrupted heroine, Adoptables
Stories devolve into
>I'm a slut lets fuck, I'm a slut let's fuck and cuck my boyfriend/husband, I'm a slut, and I hate being a slut, etc.
Not to say ALL NSFW is like this but a vast majority just likes to be edgy and degenerate for shock value. Most of NSFW is just tasteless smut, not erotica.
The community is weird, cliquey, rude, and disingenuous. The only thing you have "in common" with your followers and network, is that you share a basic primal feeling, a feeling that does not make you think straight. You will quickly discover none of your mutuals are interesting, infact they might be more boring than you are. You aren't even friends, especially if they're one of those people who follow thousands of people, you're just 1 fish out of their entire sea, and nothing special, they 9 times out of 10 only truly care about the people within their inner circle. It's the equivalent of a LinkedIn network.
>it's soul draining but i think it's not if you are creative
Commissions, can be soul draining. You are no longer in the creative seat, your client is, and it will be a coin flip on whether they're flexible or stubborn with their idea. While I dislike the community I do love the craft. I like being creative by making actual characters and stories, its a puzzle in a sense like how can I creatively get 2 characters to interact without it just going straight to sex. What settings rarely have NSFW? How can I make the sex a feature and not the entire setting? Stuff like that is fun to tackle.

>>7651857
>How can I make the sex a feature and not the entire setting? Stuff like that is fun to tackle.
Holy shit a pornfag with a brain
Now that's fucking rare.
I'm not being sarcastic btw

>>7651850
>No anon if i say something that aims to criticize the subject
Where? In what context? To who?
>have said it multiple times that they make the thing their personality
You have claimed this without substantiating it.
>Common decency isn't culture, Anon
It is. What is considered to be "decent public behavior" varies from place to place. You are using it as a cudgel to poopoo specific extreme ideas that wouldn't see traction, but you're ignoring that the base concept you are using to justify your derision it is weak.
It's not
>because of common decency, X behavior (that doesn't actually infringe on anyone else's rights) is bad
It's
>If enough people dislike X, then they will refuse to deal with people who like X, making performing X social suicide

Your problem is that you find it hard to find and associate with people who dislike X. Maybe you should be more sociable and look for a place that has people with such inclinations.
>You don't want to have religion or otherwise cults or ideologies forced upon you, and it's your right to not get swarmed by it in public places
They have no right to interfere with my property or person but if they want to try to preach without violating that then I don't give a fuck. I can simply walk away and they can pound sand if they find that upsetting.

Similar to you! You don't have to deal with this shit! You can go elsewhere. You can block people. You have PLENTY of control over who can interact with you, and you can look for people who believe in similar standards of behavior.

IF you want to avoid NSFW art, have you tried places like WetCanvas? It's full of boomers just painting and sharing their art, of rather tame things.

>>7651879
>"umm no"
>"the problem is you"
>"its all about you you you you you this you that i am litcherally in your mind"
>"how does the state of society affect you in any way mind your own biz"
Man, since the last post you are really laying it with the ad hom and strawmen.
Are you done? Because not only are you wrong, you're being a huge faggot as well.
Typical usual example of dishonest pornfaggotry.
Why do you bother going this far just? Are you actually that offended?
If anything, your behavior proves every negative stereotypes and criticism everyone else says about porn and their enjoyers.
And you cannot help yourselves, you do this every single fucking time.

>>7651857
>>7651879
>The community is weird, cliquey, rude, and disingenuous.

>>7651888
>How does the state of society affect you in any way mind your own biz
This is absolutely correct. "Society" is not one thing, it's a bunch of much smaller groups. You go where you are welcome, and other people go where they are welcome.

This is not a hard concept.

If you really want a spicy opinion: The nation-state is a failed concept.

>>7651892
>You go where you are welcome, and other people go where they are welcome.
So how about banks not allowing you to make money with porn?
Does this rule apply to them or not because it's not convenient for amateur pornographers?

>UUUHM YOU GO WHERE YOU ARE WELCOME OK?
>ok we dont want your money here
>REEEEE FUCKING BIGOTS PURITANS BAKE THE FUCKING CAKE AND LET ME POST LOLI I AM FRIENDS WITH THE MASTODON WAAAAH
sasuga

>>7651857
OP here, I'd agree.

>>7651857
I was writing a much longer post and then I fatfingered Ctrl+shift+W which closed the fucking window.

I agree with the thrust of your post (even if some of the more scathing criticisms are a bit particular to specific areas, or just "general human things".)

Part of the reason its so fucking boring is because most NSFW art is derived from concept art and draftsmanship. The picture you posted would be infinitely more interesting if she was a silhouette. There's no reason to look at it for more than a few seconds. There is no implication of anything outside of the 1856x2731 borders of the image. It's static, not a window.

Most coom artists are focusing on the wrong shit
>How do I improve my anatomy?
>Should I do smooth shading like this other artist?
>How to draw cum better?
>How do you keep up with all the trends?
>Should I use a gradient or shapes for a background?
>What characters are popular now?

They SHOULD be asking things like
>Why is the character here? What is she doing? Where is the viewer in this? Why will this/What were they doing that lead to sex?
>How can I draw the viewer into the picture better?
>This composition needs work, what ways could I adjust it to make it more balanced and interesting?
>How can I better integrate the whole scene?
>What kind of person do I want to look at this and have them instantly cream their pants? How can I intensify that?
>What mood is the main one? What secondary moods do I want to invoke?
>How can I use color more effectively to do what I want?

Just even being on the mental track where shit like that is even a possibility of being asked would improve their work so much.

>>7651873
>Holy shit a pornfag with a brain
We exist but a lot of coomer artists don't FUCKING take their art seriously. They behave like they're doing something childish or shameful, which doesn't deserve to be done well. Self-sabotage is a fucking plague. A lot are just retards who think it's easy money and vanish upon realizing it isn't.

>>7651895
>So how about banks not allowing you to make money with porn?
Banks are cancer. We have crypto now, so either that or some similar-but-better solution that lacks a centralized controller will get us around this garbage.

>>7651902
A lot of coomer artists are busy chasing after puritans and erp'ing on discord and get kids on there to actually draw.

Why do you think they constantly pull out the puritan christians religions card? Because they are very uniorinically projecting their own third world shithole culture unto everyone else.
They can't be mature or reasonable about it, hence they do the retarded shit they do.
>>7651905
cool
But have you got actual flavored bait? This shit kinda bland ngl

crypto is one cp scandal away to get neutered
glowniggers are already on it

>this is what /v/trannies are shitting themselves over
Based banks doing god's work and forcing slop to get removed

>>7651919
>Inb4 shitters start fearmongering about muh creative freedom like the youtuber is telling them to
I think i will now start making porn
God i love limitations so much it's insane

>>7651909
It's literally impossible to neuter, it's got no head. It's completely trustless and there's some like monero that are private too. It fully circumvents the entire financial system's byzantine logistics and money manipulation to just have an actual transfer. The reason people shill it as "digital cash" is because it fucking works like cash in that transfers are permanent. It's not credit.

>>7651908
>Why do you think they constantly pull out the puritan christians religions card
Because retarded fundie organizations are loudly anti-porn. So are a bunch of feminist ones. The puritan accusation is also just a generalized insult towards people who are obsessed with "purity" in some angle and use disgust as their metric for judging things.

>>7651908
>A lot of coomer artists are busy chasing after puritans
I only ever see people who are art fans, not artists, doing that.
>erp'ing on discord
Some artists do that, some artists HATE when people use their art for that. I don't know what the point is for bringing this up.
>and get kids on there
You are more likely to find kiddy diddlers in places dedicated to speedrunning than NSFW artists' communities.

>>7651919
I stopped buying shit on steam years ago. Their DRM is absolute cancer. I just use what I already have and make use of proton because it's free. If I'm buying a game it's via GOG, directly, or pirating it if there's no DRM-free version.

>payment processors don't allow every normie to make money with slop now
>now you have to actually be creative
>this will filter so many hacks out the game
it's the AI shit all over again, but with irl consequences for slop creators and slop consumers

this is great

>>7651928
Total Normie Death

>>7651928
It's only getting to get worse too especially Digital ID coming about

>>7651873
Kek. Thx. Smart perverts exist they're just a lot harder to come by compared to the common degenerate
>>7651890
Like Clockwork
>>7651902
Thank you, My harsher more specific criticisms mainly target how stereotypical some artists are, where one glance at a single piece of their art already gives you an idea of their entire gallery. It is the only art space where clones are so prevalent. These people don't apply those skills to new horizons, they just straight up copy and make near identical content to the people they're aping which creates an even more saturated and unoriginal market. I could not imagine spending years honing a craft just to be an inferior version of someone else.
>They behave like they're doing something childish or shameful
Don't forget lazy, I like backgrounds because they're difficult in a fun way and adds a layer of escapism to better grab the viewer, a void does not do that. A void just creates a subject, no scene, rarely a scenario, just a grim reminder that you're looking at a picture that just invokes basic human lust.

>>7652287
>I like backgrounds because they're difficult in a fun way and adds a layer of escapism to better grab the viewer, a void does not do that
I've been advising my buddies to try to not plan images as characters-and-backgrounds but as a whole scene, characters and objects included. I find it helps with my own work. Its something that you see wildlife/plein air painters do. Skilled wildlife painters don't paint like, the bear or mountain and then the forest around it, they paint the whole thing as one.

>>7650540
It wouldn't surprise me if that is the case. There's this webcomic I've seen floating around where a kid is watching a children's cartoon, but the kid's cartoon has inflation content, and tickling content, and a hyper focus on feet, and the kid says something like "haha, I'm sure this isn't having a dramatic effect on my sexuality!".
And while I think that comic oversimplifies how our experiences effect us sexually as we develop, it most likely is very much correct that a lot of fetishes have formed in this way - but why aren't we all inflationist foot fetishists if it was that simple? Some things click for us and others don't, so there's more to it.

But all this said, make said content actual porn of those characters we love, and I think the effect would be amplified many times over.
If a simple cartoon can unintentionally warp people's sexuality, actual porn no doubt completely bends it as we're developing.

(someone please upload that webcomic I'm talking about if they know what it is and have it.)

I was aware of that comic and the meme and truth be told, i already thought years back that if people are that easily influenced into sexual things, i guess it's right to assume that the whole sexuality thing is just the stupidest shit ever, memed by people who should genuinely not be allowed into broader society due to a critical lack of mental capabilities.
Like imagine; all the things about sexuality and fetishes is just defined by actual retards who don't even question themselves and have no amount of introspective capacity that a fucking cartoon decided their whole sexual orientation for them, as is the same with the meme of the zoomer having every fetish that trends on twitter.
I wouldn't trust those people to tell me water is wet.

>>7652324
My best guess is that aside from the stuff that traumatizes us sexually, most fetishes were latently present to begin with, but only emerge in earnest when repeatedly exposed to content/experiences in that direction. I likely never will consider feet to be sexy in and of themselves like a foot fetishist does, no matter how many masterful Blue Archive fanarts I see, but a loli on the other hand is sexy because I am naturally inclined to petite women which compounds with my history of asian partners

>>7650369 (OP)
Will you find it cringe if someone commissioned a lot of art of their OC with one of your characters? And it's mostly their headcanon too.

>>7650369 (OP)
>Most anons would make you believe that it's soul draining
literally just one

>>7651434
esl seething hard
>sh*t
jeets aren't sending their best

>>7652475
anotehr epic benger tweet feelow 4chinner
have some ad revenue

>>7650402
Diversity is better than having limited options. Simple logic.

>>7651928
>payment processors don't allow every normie to make money with slop now
>now
This has been a thing since I started drawing porn. It's nothing new.

>draw somewhat niche fetish content because I like it
>find others who are into it as well
>they buy commissions and subscribe to my Patreon because I'm the only one who draws what they want
No need to draw FOTM. Normies don't support artists. The "suspiciously rich furry" meme was true all along.

>>7651857
i like your thinking. Whats your discord?

>>7651050
>The people who consume my kind of artwork have very high standards for it, and I'm constantly needing to mull over every detail to make sure it's actually fapworthy.
>"hmmm... should I make the tits even BIGGER?... Maybe I should her ass phatter too?... God, my cumsoomers are sooooo picky."
Yeah, I'm sure you're really straining yourself to reach the peak of eroticism, buddy.
Working real hard there.
Your "bone(s)" must ache afterwards.
... dick joke.

What happens when nsfw artists lose their libido? GG.

>>7660359
>what happens when any artist gets carpal tunnel
Just don't get on the SSRI scam or into anything that could cause anhedonia and you're good, most of that shit is terrible for you anyway.

>>7652536
>niche fetish content because I like it
This is why i’ve been slowly grinding fundies and vanilla figures to git gud before branching into my fetish. I don’t even want money, I just want to contribute something of quality (emotion, depth, not slop, etc) when I have a neat idea worth sharing.

That, and i also find the idea funny of having the skills and appetite to draw fetish porn but then refusing to lewd the deltarune furries (or any fanart for that matter) because it’s cringe

>>7650369 (OP)
>it's soul draining
>it's not if you are creative
No correlation

>>7651928
Oh boy I can't wait to use my permanent non-negotiable mandatory government issued Face ID which is also attached to my Social Credit Score so I can blindly support [current thing]

>>7666454
>being this depended on consuming that you would give legal information to anyone to access content you don't need and can probably pirate or create yourself
skill issue
the moment social media would mandate me to use ID, i'd just delete it

I've been doing nsfw commissions full time since 2018.

I love drawing

The only way I've seen people be burnt out from comms is they don't treat it like the work that it is. They'll get lazy and shirk their commissioners and play video games or act like every piece of art they make needs to be beyond perfect and burn themselves out over nothing. Streamline your process and give people what they paid for.
If it takes you more than 1 day to sketch, line, and color a single pose, you should not be thinking about doing art full time

>>7650369 (OP)
>I wish nsfw artists would be more creative instead of chasing trends
Shit bait. This goes for every artist on social media
Most artists I'm friends with sfw and nsfw draw trends because they are actively playing whatever game or show is trending, it's very rare to see someone ignore the things they like and only draw fotm/trends.
Draw what you like, like everybody else does and have fun.

I only draw NSFW for myself.

>>7650369 (OP)
>>7651857
man, I wish I was more creative with NSFW works. I can find poses easily for void girls but I can't even figure out who the girls should be.

>>7650493
>I think there's also something to be said for just the AMOUNT of smut that's being produced these days
that can be said for any type of content online because everyone is trying to make it
look at music, look at youtube, instagram influencing etc etc

>>7651921
do you know any crypto service like patreon/fanbox/itch.io?

> It fully circumvents the entire financial system's byzantine logistics and money manipulation to just have an actual transfer
It depends. For example USDTs on any arbitrary wallet can be frozen by USDT organization (I forgot what's their proper name). On blockchains, where there is such possibility in the contract source code, of course.

>>7671476
Sure, but I while too many movies, or songs, or pieces of art will cause certain problems, particularly in terms of creating an overly competitive market, I don't think an abundance of any of them would create societal problems in the same way that too much porn possibly does (bar possibly videogames, but that's more so just an addiction problem rather than the variety of issues one could attribute to too much porn consumption).

I suppose we could say that the abundance of everything is an issue, and that we've lost control of our free time due to the never ending content, or something of the like, but that's a different issue, and two different issues can exist at once.

>>7650369 (OP)
Did it for a while, it was fun but time consuming and I stopped to pursue other things.
Are people still commissioning?

I've done some NSFW art but my stuff is not very degenerate, so I'm not sure I even qualify as a NSFW artist

>>7651857
>>7651873
This is something I've been mulling over. There's the issue of context being a hasty afterthought, but it's boner homicide when an alleged pussy-fuckin' story turns into a full chapter of non-erotica worldbuilding or emotional drama.
It's like foreplay, you've gotta dance around the subject while making sure all roads lead to Rome. Tantalise with some tension before the main event.
Melkor Mancin and Incase do a decent job at striking that balance.

>>7650395
>Only true coomers should get into it. If you're not suited for it, you'll get burnt out.
That sum up my experience. Drawing coom AND interacting with coomers can be soul draining if you're just doing porn because on paper it doesn't ask much of you.
>>7650493
Any millenial know that kids stumble upon porn or that it will be the first thing they look for on internet because that what happened to them or their friends/siblings. Some claim Disney's Robin Hood or Roger Rabbit and other innocent stuff re-wired their brain, so you can be sure stumbling upon porn fuck-up kids, or adults for that matter because the addiction is real for some. It doesn't help that kinks have really gotten edgier over the years and how much more accessible and normalized it had become. That said, another side of the problem is that kids shoudln't be on the internet to begin with.

>>7650369 (OP)
Its fun to draw but in my opinion it gets very boring very quickly. The best thing about it is that when you're caught in a nsfw piece you really feel energized like a salmon going upriver to breed until its scales rot off its back and it dies of exhaustion. Don't need food or water, don't even need to jack off until I poured all of this sticky horniness on the canvas.
I wish I could be that driven when I draw normal shit... Couldn't imagine it drawing that more than once in a while, or interacting with this weird kind of audience. Good for you if you can.

>>7650369 (OP)
So... You gonna pyw?

>>7672076
https://xmrbazaar.com/
There may be others, check https://monerica.com/

I've given up trying to commission NSFW artists. I've discussed what I've wanted artists to draw and they eventually refuse to draw naked characters despite the character being 18 years old and them feeling uncomfortable drawing adult characters. I asked another artist if they could draw a character naked and they said yes and then drew the character before we discussed more details and then they threatened to report me to the discord server's mods for not paying them despite me not even telling them to start drawing because we didn't finish discussing the details of the art

>>7679233
artists on discord servers are usually schizos to avoid.

>>7679233
What do you want drawn? I'm the OP of this thread. I usually draw for free since it's so hard friends with a good personality.

>>7680039
Can you draw these two characters (Makoto Yuki and Maiko) from Persona 3 at the beach together with the male naked and female character in a swimsuit and building a sandcastle? And can both of their faces be visible and also have the male character on his knees with his butt visible?

I only draw NSFW. I have one of those paraphilias that makes normal sex unsatisfying, so I need to fantasize/ look at porn/ draw porn if I want to get off. I've made some money off it, but commissions are hell and courting whales feels amoral... they probably give more money than they can afford.

For now I'm just drawing what I want and don't try to make money off it, but I have been thinking of trying to restart my Patreon and pour some effort into improving my craft. It would be a fun distraction during post BSc job seeking purgatory I have coming up.

As for the morality of it... Idk. Part of me thinks it would be better to try to distance myself from porn and just use my imagination, but from experience, I know my paraphilia won't go away, and it feels isolating to be thinking these weird thoughts without anyone else who understands at all.

>>7650369 (OP)
Is there still a reason/ market for nsfw commissions? strapped for cash and was considering it but i feel like ai has taken the most of the market, seen some guy spam post 200 images batch posting with ai making 2k usd a month, feels like I cant keep up.(i already have two "real" jobs and don't want another)

>>7680839
Get good lil bro, or a get a third job, we have to many souless porn producing hacks, make ART or LEAVE.

>>7680839
get into NSFW 2D animation ASAP, it's going to be your only chance for the next 1-2 years

>>7681183
Erm, what happens after 1-2 years?

>>7681202
AI video models getting really, really good

>>7680839
I think many people who get commissions are looking for art, but also the personability of the artist, so having appealing customer service and building and interacting with a fan-base is important, especially as AI can do the technical aspects of your job increasingly well. However, in the future AI will certainly be able to be superhumanly personable, so idk what to say really.
>>7681202
skynet