I know it comes from a nice place, but things like this are secretly /beg/ traps. Not being able to admit that your art is shit is a big reason a lot of /beg/s stagnate. You gotta be honest with yourself if you want to improve.

>>7655259 (OP)
>deliberatly make unperfect art
>likes go therou the roove

>>7655259 (OP)
the biggest /beg/ trap is posting on /ic/

>>7655259 (OP)
pyw

this is the problem with the "you're good enough, sweaty!" philosophy in general. if you're "good enough," there's no reason to try to change.

>>7655259 (OP)
improvement comes down to being smart

and if you lack that, then you're stuck on that level

just find a way to make it simple and less complicated

>>7655259 (OP)
I have mixed opinions about it. On one hand, thinking your art is good and getting praised for it even though is beg can be very inspiring. But will that person actually try to improve? Probably not, unless they are self-aware enough to see their begness and ambitious enough to try and improve. On the other hand there are places like this board. Where no matter how hard you try, is never enough. When I first came to /ic/ I was hit with the hardest reality check you could throw at someone. Many times I felt like giving up because of the brutal "honesty" of this board. But it did made me try harder. Even though I hate the culture of this place with all my guts, I hate even more the idea that all of this might be necessary. I think brutal criticism has it's place, but it needs to come with something nice too to make sure you're not just driving people away from art.

>>7655259 (OP)
if my art wasnt bad then it would get more likes, i am failing to see the issue.
when i post something and it says 500 people saw it and 0 people liked it, it means im bad at art

>>7655259 (OP)
Being able to look at your work critically is one thing, but having your opinions of your work formed by its lack of social media success is another.
So no, I agree more with the picrel.

>>7655259 (OP)
likes are only useful for commissions.
more likes = more exposure = more comms.
everything else is bunk

>>7655259 (OP)
Eww gross another artist motivation hugbox post

>>7655320
nah, you can get more than that, you're just not entertaining or draw stuff people actually like https://x.com/lowgradef/media

>>7655300
this whole "brutal" honestly is more of cover up with fags coping with their own art. It's been shown countless times you can easily get an audience with your art with many examples shown. Those fags would always go "i-it doesn't count" everytime, yes improvement is important, but it doesn't take much to build an audience as long you're drawing things people actually like.

>>7655396
At least this one is just some kid. That OC crybaby nigga was in his late 30s.

>>7655259 (OP)
being envious saps energy because its discouraging. it can give energy too, but its the frustrated kind that i don't think helps.

what you're saying is nonsense, jealousy is 100% non productive. if you do the math, tally up the feelings, jealousy is a net negative for art. it is better to learn from others without the jealousy.

My art didn't improve till I posted it on 4chan and got raked through the coals. My friends were too nice to tell me it looked like shit. In order to improve sometimes someone needs to help you recognize when something looks bad. I am also very lucky to have a better artist I am now friends with, he gives me non beg advice and redlines while I work.

>>7655435
>what you're saying is nonsense, jealousy is 100% non productive.
Who said anything about jealousy?

>>7655259 (OP)
A shitty doodle of mine got like 1k likes while a fully rendered piece barely got 200
It's all luck

>>7655448
Unfortunately the criticism that destroys you the most is what will make you better. One time a friend told me my drawing sucked. I genuinely didn't believe him and thought it looked good, so I asked for online opinion. And people online told me the same thing as him. In the end I changed my drawing because of it and it looked infinitely better. But to this day I still feel resentful about it. But it was a good thing.

>>7655423
The 30 year old was also some kid 20 years ago. If you don’t break the mindset young it just spirals.

>>7655448
Blog?

>>7655457
I am very stubborn so it took a long time for me to be able to get critique and not have some kinda inner melty over it
>>7655461
@zkabbit it's all just d&d slop for the most part

>>7655450
the bad feeling you get when you compare yourself to others is envy. sry i guess i conflated the two, its envy not jealousy, jealousy is more out of self protection.

>entire thread is full of miserable crabs
do you fuckers even like drawing?

>>7655679
>do you fuckers even like drawing?
Like, the process of it? Fuck no. It makes me irrationally frustrated and angry. I only like the end result and even then I only like it if it's not shit. And it rarely is not shit.

>spend hours polishing a turd
>see a quick doodle that looks 10000x better

>>7655448
sovl vs zest

>>7655679
i only started for attention

>>7655688
>>7655768
ngmi

>>7655423
Don't talk shit about motherfucking BlueBottleFlyer

>>7655768
Use AI instead

>>7655259 (OP)
The "hurrdurr views and likes don't count" people are just coping and seething. Visibility matters, more eyes = more opportunities.

>>7655688
>>7655768

I agree with>>7655778 ngmi
The only time Van Gogh was happy was when he was painting. Best

>>7656843
They matter but they're not an end into themselves and you have to account for niche appeal and deeper interactions rather than idle visibility. There is a point where you might as well announce you're making a new account to unfuck your algorithm. The extreme of 10 million followers and only 10 comments on any post is the obvious exaggeration but if you keep growing in follows/views but not interactions something is wrong. Most likely occurs when one only chases trends.

>>7655448
Humble bragging about his sempai again, yara yara daze. I will punish you for this

>>7656870
>They matter but they're not an end into themselves and you have to account for niche appeal and deeper interactions rather than idle visibility.
I'd say idle visibility matters even more than the loyal followers that comment on every single upload. In my case, all the big opportunities came from randoms that don't even comment, like my art or follow my account, whales don't like showing themselves in public.

>>7655688
>Like, the process of it? Fuck no. It makes me irrationally frustrated and angry. I only like the end result and even then I only like it if it's not shit.

we have a solution for that

its called AI

>>7655423
>some kid
>19
???
What's up with americans infantilizing anyone younger than 30 now?

>>7656901
Shut up rajeesh

>>7656993
I'm sorry your country puts you in the sweatshops at 13. Americans unfortunately are forced to get an education.

>>7656997
The fuck is this idiotic non sequitur?
>americans
>education
lol

>>7657001
Be patient with him, he's american.

Don't compare your studies to other peoples comfort zones. If an artist only draws one thing really well and never shares a shit drawing, then stop worrying about reaching their level. Just keep getting better and practicing

>I want to be popular though
do you want to be good and popular or do you want to be popular while still a beg?

>>7656993
Once you reach around 24, you realize that most 18 to 21-year-olds are all basically overgrown highschoolers. This is reinforced if you have to interact with them on a regular basis.

/ic/ is a mixed bag
you will consistently get criticism here, which is good for character and taste building, but i'd say more than half the criticism is unworkable advice or just flat out wrong

>>7655778
>>7656870
>ngmi
Good thing I'm not "trying to make it." Why the fuck would I want to work in the art industry in current year/environment?

>>7655289
Yes, not enough people realize that you can fake a lot of talent by knowing how to learn. You have to be talented or smart to make it in art
>>7655423
LOL if he's that young then why is anyone listening to him?
>>7655459
most people wise the fuck up, so this isn't too much of an issue
>>7656993
This isn't new at all. A lot of people stay dumb well after you're allowed to fuck them, especially if they're only children
>>7657282
I know a few 24 year olds that still act like that. It's sad seeing an adult not be able to take care of himself

>>7657352
"ngmi" doesn't only apply to industry, it refers to mental and emotional wellbeing. if you hate drawing yet are drawing just for the end result you're mentally ngmi

>>7655454
My theory is that the algorithm is based on a current topic or trend.
A doodle was likely relevant to people or the conversation. You somehow landed on a thought being shared by people at the same time. Where a fully rendered painting isnt as on topic.

>>7655688
Literally me. I know I'll stay perma/beg/ until I change my mindset and learn how to enjoy drawing in itself, but I don't know how.

>>7655266
This.

>>7655259 (OP)
>You gotta be honest with yourself if you want to improve.
That's why you measure your art against your past art to judge improvement, instead of doomscrolling and obsessing over you vs others.

>>7655259 (OP)
AI devalued high fidelity and masterful imagery. So what remains is human connection, and expressive drawing from some goober tranny account has more soul then whatever rendered image that took you 20 hours to make.

>>7655448
This sounds like co-dependence and Stockholm syndrome.

You need to learn to get better on your own instead of relying on schizios on net being brutally 'honest'. Many of them are using it as an excuse to berate someone. Take a beating for some crumb on knowledge when all you need to do is re-read or re-watch a tutorial and be honest with yourself. Not to mention there are plenty of teachers out there willing to give advice without gang stalking you irl or on the internet.

>>7657654
I've yet to see all this soul that keeps getting talked about.

desudesu, that mindset reinforces shitty emptyhead ideas even more than renderfag culture ever did.

>>7658159
What do you need to learn so you can examine yourself properly?
Seems the best way to learn is with dedicated apprenticeship with a teacher. More reliable than randos on the internet, having a consistent outside perspective.

>>7658173
Thats how its usually done. Relying on these strangers here on forums or threads is not to dissimilar from getting dopamine hits on social media platforms. People here are also not as reliable as a teacher since they're often chiming in whenever they feel like it, when its best for them. its not consistent. You might get something now and then, but its going to be very unreliable.

Anyways, the best thing if you can't find a teacher is to build solid fundies and follow one established artists work. they might not teach you one on one, but having a clear goal to reach will be better than wandering in the dark.

>>7657352
>Why the fuck would I want to work in the art industry in current year/environment?
You in fact do not "make it" by being in the industry, lmao. Shit's collapsing.
"Making it" refers to just gitting gud, being at peace with your art and having an audience that you have a good relationship with.

>>7656879
Doesn't really contradict anything. You don't want "big opportunities" you want sustainable ones. Kantai kessen is retard logic in both war and art.

>>7658159
Schitzos on the internet aren't good for real art advice but they are good for not sugar coating when your art looks bad

>>7658319
I still can’t tell if it’s good or bad to get (you)s in /beg/.

>>7655259 (OP)
>I know it comes from a nice place
it doesn't. it's social media farming

>>7655259 (OP)
This thread is retarded and OP pic is 100% right. Don't compare yourself with perfection - compare yourself with you, couple months ago. If you compare yourself with perfection, 90% of the time you're gonna think your art is dogshit and you will give up.

>>7655259 (OP)
If someone feels bad about their art being bad, it means they care about quality and want to get better.
If someone doesn't care, this message is useless to them.
Therefore the only reason to post it is to crab someone.

>>7655259 (OP)
attention hungry seekers

draw on your own pace and method or just give up if its just for likes and views

>>7657282
You are 24, aren't you? This is called being a young adult. They are not "kids". Stop that ridiculous infantilization. 8 year olds are kids. 12 year olds are kids. 19 year olds are young adults. Back in my day many people moved out to study and lived on their own at 16-17 or in rare cases even as young as 15. People at 19 are entirely capable of thinking for themselves, living self sufficiently and bearing responsibility for their choices. Kids are not. You may be as arrogant and condescending towards people younger than you as much as you want. You may call them kids as a form of endearment or as an insult or whatever. But seriously peddling the idea that we should infantilize young adults and treat them like 10 year olds is utter nonsense.

>>7657282
You're so absolutely spot on that it made the kiddies uppity.

>>7655259 (OP)
I mean they MAY be some truth here, it's a case by case basis thing. My art is honestly middling at best, but then some of my OC post pop off (Does like 10k or something) But I kinda just brush it away as 'Well I'm a porn artist so what do I expect, standards are low"

But making the blanket statement "No your artist isn't bad" is kinda rough it COULD very well be bad, don't give some sonichu level motherfucker hope.

>>7657282
They're still adults. Dumb ass adults but adults, but capable of making a living if the country we live in does its fucking job and makes it affordable. I moved out and had my own apartment at 19 holding down a 40hr work week. Its not fucking sacred knowledge turning 24 teaches you. Its something you learn from good parents, teachers and God. You're only seeing them ask kids because dumbasses didnt raise them right. Quit sucking your own dick dude, youre projecting your own idiocy.

>>7659979
>>7655259 (OP)
>don't compare yourself to others
This falls apart once you realize that everyone else compares you to others.

let me guess, 5k+ account, made in 2021?