This is a thread to discuss all kinds of digital drawing hardware

This makes most of the info redundant, but may be outdated: https://rentry.org/dtg

>Tablet news:
XPPen Magic Drawing Pad updated (now has android 14, full x3 pro pen support (2 buttons + eraser), tilt, a newer cpu, and lets you connect to a computer via usb-c to act as a normal screen tablet)
Wacom Movinkpad 11 released and is a carbon copy of the MDP but 1 inch smaller

Recommended tablets:
>Pen tablets (non display)
Wacom Intuos pro
Huion Inspiroy
Xencelab Pen Tablet
XP Pen Deco 01 v2 / Pro

>Display tablets
Wacom Cintiq pro
Huion Kamvas plus/pro
XP-Pen Artist series
Xencelab Pen display

>Mobile tablets
Xppen magic drawing pad (best drawing experience)
Apple iPad Pro (3rd gen for new pen/reduced bezel, 6th gen for hover)
Samsung Galaxy Tab (supports low end wacom pens)
Surface Pro 8/9
Kamvas studio 16

>What tablets does /dtg/ use?
https://strawpoll.com/polls/NoZrLOmrDn3

>General guidelines when picking a tablet:
- All of the recommended models are part of large lines with multiple sizes/generations available. Buy the biggest/newest in your budget. Medium-Large pen tablets or 16-24" display tablets are considered the sweet spot by most artists.
-If buying direct from xppen, sign up and put the item in your cart and wait like 30 minutes, they'll send you an additional 5% off + 5% off for being a "member"

>Recommended Software:
Clip Studio Paint
Photoshop
Procreate
Infinite Painter
Rebelle
Krita or hipaint if you're poor

>Display Calibration tools:
https://www.eizo.be/monitor-test/
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/
https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avJTz1JhkR4
(Use this guide to roughly calibrate your display if you don't want to invest hundreds into a colorimeter you'll only use a few times)

Previous thread: >>7634334

>Check out the webm to understand how normal chink tabs are now

Why you should not trust youtube shills:

Will a better processor make a difference while using CSP on a Samsung tab or is the 12 gigs of ram on the S10 FE enough? I don't wanna spend $200+ more on the plus if the processor won't give me better performance with certain brushes while drawing, and I can't test the FE in person

>>7659588
>look at his wacom review
>official wacom affiliate
>got the tablet for free
>"okay but what about his art"
>first video I see is him drawing a mummy
>50% of the video is just him AI generating a reference
>ends the video by advertising his patreon and how you'll get 31 AI generated reference images and some brushes if you join
What a bizarre journey this was.

>>7659636
>50% of the video is just him AI generating a reference
no fucking way
the wacuck is actually just a full on ai shill now?

>>7659632
drawing programs for the most part aren't very hardware intensive. If the midling shit on the mdp can run csp without issue, I'm sure samsung tabs with better cpus and more ram will have zero problem.

>>7659636
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG29reYvJJA&
holy fuck you're not joking
he spent 8 hours tracing AI and claimed it was his work drawn in his style LOL

>>7659636
>>7659648
absolute state of wacomfags

is this the TRUE and HONEST /dtg/?

>>7659699
It is /dtg/ in it's RAW state

>>7659540 (OP)
Fuck off shill this is a board for posting art

>>>/g/

>>7659886
>this is a board for posting art
>>>/i/

>>7659632
They're the same performance-wise. It's a screen size upgrade if anything.

what name apps ?

>>7660096
Maybe it's something like hipaint?

If you guys are actually serious about re-working the thread OP and juggling the autism, the Wacom Intuos Pro section could really use an <Used Buying Guide> pastebin or something similar for pricing and general instructions/shit to look out for.
>>7660096
It's MediBang Pro.

Anyone has experience with the redmagic astra + nova stylus?

>>7660234
The astra pen for it supposedly comes down later this month, so I'd wait a bit for reviews of it
Also you owe me 5$ for the sheer amount of cringe I had to endure while entering their subreddit, my fucking god

Does anyone have experience with the wacom movink or a reliable review?

>>7660323
refering to the pad btw

>>7660325
Movinkpad was literally revealed like last week, no, noone has an actual review for it yet except for maybe this demo salaryman video in Japanese.
https://www.youtube.com/live/e1Auu98rPMY?si=xYrW7Z9HzZKKM2Z4&t=1402
I'm personally waiting for any actual reviews and size comparisons to be dropped myself.

>>7660325
Nevermind I found a movinkpad review here, I'm gonna watch it now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8-YZ-QSmOs

>>7660474
Ok I think movinkpad is still better, the size comparison is shown in the review and it's not that bad, idk why that one guy kept going off about the 1 inch, when I did say it doesn't matter.
Also the xppen alternative seems to have terrible tilts and wobbles compared to movinkpad.
Apart from the specs not being as good as it's supposed to like better ram, bigger storage, actually decent cpu, etc, and maybe being 12 inch, this one atleast works as intended.
Though I'm unsure if I will buy it, I do think they will make a "pro" version next year or something and that's what I'd actually want and I'd rather buy that than the current stuff despite decent because the hardware does seem like it already is dated and will underperform in like 2 years which is pointless.

Is the MDP CPU bump noticeable?

Also I don't see any mention of a new MDP on the website. Are they just selling the existing one with the new specs?

>>7660518
>is the MDP CPU bump noticeable?
No, but I never had a problem with the last one. It feels exactly the same to me.

>Also I don't see any mention of a new MDP on the website. Are they just selling the existing one with the new specs?
They're only selling the updated version now, but 3rd party sellers like Amazon most likely still have the first gen, so I'd be careful. Biggest difference for me is android 14 since csp is ending support for 12 soon. If not for that I wouldn't have bothered "upgrading".

>>7659540 (OP)
>Recommending screenless in 2025
>When budget portables are now priced similar to a medium intuos pro

Serious question, why? This shit is boomer tech used by boomers and coping poors and the arguments they use (no hand covering display, ohh ahh le posture my arm my back) can be worked around. Adjustable table/stand isn't expensive, you can get a cheap shortcut pad, and you can even work on your fucking bed. The display is also already calibrated for you and is cheaper than buying a big art monitor to just to use your 'budget' toy. Also

>being able to work longer hours because screenless is le better for posture!!!
Why the fuck would you want to spend more time correcting your shit thanks to the hand-eye disconnect when you can just work faster if you can see the shit your drawing on? Anyone who says they can work at equal speed on both is a liar.

Screenless is objectively unsatisfying to use no wonder so many /beg/tards just give up. Who the fuck wakes up and thinks WOW I cannot wait to strain my wrist as much as possible trying to draw the fucking line where I want and fail multiple times anyway. Baffling

>>7660764
Some people prefer them

>>7660764
It's because Intuos-like screenless products go for like £75, a lot of people don't want to spend 100s for a screen tablet that can do the same job.
It exists and is a drawing tool, would rather not discriminate.

>>7660777
Then OP should recommend against buying intuos pro as the top option for screenless. The cheapest, scratched up, used intuos pros still go for $150-$200 because people are delusional about wacum products and there are plenty of these listings up clearly due to buyer's remorse. I dislike chinese products but you can't gaslight me into believing they aren't already close to catching on to wacom

>>7660815
Yeah I don't think anyone as agreed Intuos/Intuos pro is worth it's money, op can get rid of it but I don't think someone would come visit here, read the op and then just blindly spend a ton of money like that.

>>7660764
Do you have any idea how much it would cost me to buy a 27 inch 4k display tablet nigga

>>7660821
Why the fuck would you even need something that large when you don't even draw.

>>7660826
1, It can be used as a monitor in general.
2, It can be used for gaming since some of the large displays have 120 refresh rates.
3, You don't know if he doesn't draw.

>>7660764
>Serious question, why?
Because I cant stand having my arm and hand in the way of my work. And being able to set up comfy and ergonomically just feels better on my neck and back. I also do 3d sculpting, it feels way better for that too.

>Why the fuck would you want to spend more time correcting your shit thanks to the hand-eye disconnect when you can just work faster if you can see the shit your drawing on?
Did you know that juggling has hand-eye disconnect just like tablets, and you have to train your coordination to be able to do it? I wonder how clowns like yourself are able to get so good at it that they can juggle quickly, never have to spend time to correct themselves, and never drop anything? It's the same thing, bozo.

>Anyone who says they can work at equal speed on both is a liar.
You think people are always in the learning/adjustment stage, for some reason. In reality it's some hours of adjustment and practice, and then it really is the same. Just because you think you're unable to do it, doesn't mean others are.

>>7660831
>It can be used for gaming
Thanks for confirming you're a fucking nodraw beggar

>>7660764
I've been drawing on a screen tablet for 3 years now and while it's slightly easier to sketch with it the overal accuracy in my work is still the same. There is nothing I do now that I couldn't do on a screenless tablet.

The benefits are incremental and parts of me do miss the old screenless tablet.
Posture was better obviously and the hand eye cordination thing is just training.
I guess it's a personal thing like some other anon said. I wouldn't mind going back to one but am glad I finally invested in a monitor tablet.

>>7660840
>You don't draw so why would you buy a display?
>You can use it to display other things
I'm just explaining your post.

>>7660834
>Just because you like cum doesn't mean others shouldn't like poop
I too can gaslight myself into thinking it's better but you're right, fatasses do better working screenless so they don't have to look at their fat arms and hands

You can endlessly rack your brain about the OP all you like, it's still going back to the old OP next thread :)

>>7660764
>Screenless is objectively unsatisfying to use no wonder so many /beg/tards just give up.
Screen displays are so much of a hassle to setup it literally made me stop digital drawing for months because I simply could not be bothered to bring that overweight tablet out of the closet, connect it's three fucking cables and then draw on its too small screen every single day
The only way I could ever tolerate a screen tablet was if I had a big L-shaped table so I could have the tablet on one side, perpetually connected to the computer, never needing to go through the trouble of setting it up
Not that screenless is nice either, the disconnect is terrible there
Digital drawing is just fucking horrid overall, genuinely hellish no matter how you do it, traditional drawing is infinitely better

>>7660912
The new displays are quite nice in a way that there are some that just requires a usb-c to plug and play.

>>7660764
I use a tablet when sketching and switch to a screenless to paint
It's what seems more comfortable to me. Switching is not a big deal.

>>7659588
The Zionist genocidal recommended Wacom

>>7660916
It's just up to 16 inch screens as far as I can see. The big ones still need multiple cables. I'm not sure if it's just USB-C not being powerful enough or if the companies just haven't bothered updating them yet. Maybe a Thunderbolt cable would be enough? But then it would be, like, a fucking Apple product or whatever. It'd probably be good, but an Apple drawing tablet would probably make Wacom prices look cheap.

>>7660815
>see a list of recommended tablets
>hyper fixate on one and sperg about it endlessly
brother it's just a list in no particular order. Buy anything made by wacom, huion, or xppen in the current year and you will be able to draw without hinderance. this isn't complicated shit.

>>7660908
keep seething, guzzler. I'm sure 90% of shitposts here are probably you

>>7660995
I am the one who usually makes the OP, and I can tell you for a fact I have made about 15 non-OP posts in /dtg/ for the past year.
It's good to know you're still suffering paranoid delusions and bizarre psychosis. Alas, the old OP will still be restored next thread.

Which one of you did this?

>>7661000
>I am the one who usually makes the OP
So what happened, your usual bot sizzle out due to a 4chan api change or something?

>>7660989
>Buy anything made by wacom, huion, or xppen in the current year and you will be able to draw without hinderance.
Xencelabs?

>>7661007
Jesus christ stop feeding the schizo NOBODY gives a fuck about anything he does

>>7661007
I don't dedicate my life to shilling tablets on this website like you do, my psychotic, deluded friend.

>>7660989
>Already complaining about his first day on the job
Yeah I'm starting to think this isn't gonna last long

>>7659588
Why would a guy who doesn't draw recommend a tablet he doesn't use???
Answer: Jews

>>7659540 (OP)
Photoshop pirate

Expect a LOT of worthless posts itt, and for it to last 1-2 days compared to the usual like 2 weeks

>>7660834
>You think people are always in the learning/adjustment stage, for some reason. In reality it's some hours of adjustment and practice, and then it really is the same. Just because you think you're unable to do it, doesn't mean others are.
I'm sorry to interrupt your convo but this is such a bold faced lie lmfao, I can draw mid advanced level and I still struggle for hours lining up my strokes hahss
On paper, seeing my linework I have almose no problems. Some people do really need to see what they draw to properly line things up

>>7661187
People tend to either downplay how much is needed to get used to a pen tablet, or they just say it's impossible. But there are professionals who use it- Sinix and BahiJD and Lack and others, so it's clearly not. But it does really need disgusting amounts of practice. If you keep at it for a few hours a day every day for several years, you won't have any problem. Eventually your brain learns just where exactly on the tablet corresponds to the screen and you can use it automatically. But it will rape people unused to it. It's far easier to get good at drawing on a screen, no context. To justify it you must either have no money or you must really really like not having your hand obscure your work.

>>7661220
Yep, exactly.

Brainlets are unable to comprehend it.

>>7661220
You can look up Sinix and Lack has a Youtube channel where he likes to post speed drawings. An example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJCN29yGfRE

Also proof that he uses pen tablets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC7QtHwXiM8

>>7661248
And both these artists are boomers that started when the intuos was the ONLY tablet they could use at the time, for several years. Screens were a luxury then, fast forward to now and there's a gorillion options a /beg/ can easily afford and directly draw with as long as they stop gorging on DoorDash. Recommending a newcomer who can barely draw a fucking circle on paper to pick up a screenless just because it's the price of a dildo is retarded crab advice, you may as well tell them to quit

>>7661266
So I guess the boomers were just born with the ability and never started as a /beg/ shitter that had to learn to use a screenless tablet.

Nobody was even recommending just screenless tabs to anyone, some retard came in attacking people who use then. Most shit that gets recd here is screen tabs.

Just take the L and fuck off, nigger.

>>7661291
I will help translate what he said for you, because you obviously can’t read: boomers had no choice but to gitgud and use screenless because that was the only medium available to them. Now, people can finally afford screen tablets and catch up to frustrated third worlders like you in half the time because their progress isn’t bottlenecked by having to spend years getting used to unnatural drawing motions. I get this is very demoralizing for you- it must be dinner time. May I recommend ordering the maccas snack wraps this time? They’re available for a limited time only.

How come every single fucking drawing tablet is made by Asians why has the West failed me

>>7661332
bc u cant draw so why do they bother giving u the tools... :s

>>7659588
It sure was going to be a wild ride listening to him saying how the whole "tablet review vidoes" was nothing but shit and you shouldn't trust any of them to this.

>>7661266
>Screens were a luxury then
not only were screens a luxury, they were also objectively worse in a lot of ways.
The cintiqs of old had less pressure sensitivity than the same year intuos, had horrible clarity, bad parallax, inaccurate pens, got uncomfortably hot, and had burn in issues.
Today I see almost no reason to go pen tab unless you're broke as shit (even then just get an old ipad pro or galaxy tab for $100)
the posture thing people claim is complete bullshit because stands exist, I draw for like 4-10 hours daily with no back or neck problems, and your hand being in the way is the dumbest fucking shit that doesn't actually matter at all. Either have your canvas in a thumbnail window to see the full thing if you need to, or do what artists have done for millennia and just let your hand block part of your drawing that you're not even currently working on.

>got a good deal on an used 2013 wacom pro (€40) that was in near mint condition and came with the pen and everything, only caveat being that the shipping was slow
>bought a 01V3 (€36) as a temporary stopgap
>the wacom arrived a week ago and I'm not really using it because the slightly better feel and quality doesn't really make up for the loss for the drawing area size
I'm now extremely conflicted, do I keep the pen and sell the tablet and go for a large version for the 12", or do I just sell the whole thing for a generic €20~40 profit and put it towards a future screen tablet?
A screen would be nice as a treat and helpful for specific detail precision, but I feel like I'd get a lot more comfort and worth out of an even bigger area.
"Both" is obviously the correct answer, but as one could expect from this post: I am stupid AND basically-poor.

>>7661634
Why would you keep the pen?
I'd just sell the wacom or return it if they accept returns

>>7661642
>Why would you keep the pen?
I specifically meant going for a large version of the same 2013 wacom model.
Large used models without pens are cheap, Large used models that come with a pen are comically expensive.

>>7661361
Im pretty sure SchizOP is aaron.

Hey frens. Is the Wacom CTL4100 really better than the 420? Finally gonna buy one after years of drawing with a mouse.

>>7662045
I assume you mean the huion 420, which isn't even a drawing tablet, but rather one meant for OSU.
>CTL-4100
This is an extremely overpriced >>SMALL<< tablet, avoid it and every single small tablet like hell.

>>7662045
Please at least get a medium size. It can be any brand you want, anything is better than a small. Those are not even the size of an index card and are responsible for so many RSIs

>>7662045
I will be honest. since you know how to draw already I would say try investing on a bigger tablet like the other anon have aid, at least as medium so you can get a good hang of long strokes.
I guess whatever is within your budget works and since I think you are used to having the disconnect between your eye and hand. Might as might look around for a medium-large one if you have enough desk space for it

>>7661248
you can add nekojira to that list
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR_jeK33jfk

>>7662136
>>7662141
>>7662142
What the hell? I'm pretty sure I've seen people talking very well about Wacom tablets in here before. What's all this all of a sudden? Also, I just want to stop using a mouse. That's all. Wacoms seems to be the cheapest ones I can find here in the third world.

>>7662529
You're replying to a chinese shill. He is always going to angle you in the direction of buying his low quality crap.

Just get the ctl4100, it's fine.

>>7659540 (OP)
Reminder not to listen to the wacom jeet

>>7662529
>>7662535
Notice how nobody has even mentioned specifically chinese brands? They said ANY brand you illiterate, mindbroken shit eater

>>7662529
Because the non display wacoms aren't that great, cheaper alternatives are comfortably larger (medium size) and provide better specs.

>>7662529
Read nigger, they're literally saying to get a bigger drawing tablet.

>>7662557
Not yet, which is why I said you were ANGLING, my stupid friend.
We all know your chinese marketing tricks. You start off by attempting to brand Wacom as "extremely overpriced" >>7662136
>This is an extremely overpriced
Then when the target asks for another option, you will inevitably advice him to buy your chinese junk. Then it will inevitably break or have pressure response issues.

>>7662569
ok

>>7662569
Yes saar you are REALLY convincing me to buy a WACOM SAAR THEY ARE SO GOOD QUALITY SAAR ONLY BUY WACOM SAAR PLEASE

>>7662564
Okay. But I don't have the money for that.

>>7662582
Then why the fuck are you even here? Go buy your small tablet and stop asking for advice you aren't even going to take.

>>7662582
job job job get a job you lazy bum

>>7662582
Pay no mind to the aggressive chinese posters here mate >>7662584 >>7662591
They're always like this. Same on /g/.

>>7662615
>EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD IS CHINESE WAAAA
You do realize anon can also afford a wacom eventually if he really wanted to right? I swear to god the only thing you brownoids can see is yellow from being forcefed cowshit during childhood

>>7662615
These "aggressive chinese posters" is very overwhelming proof. A very genuine post by this anon. Just take the L and leave this thread, you're not convincing anyone.

>>7662701
>These "aggressive chinese posters" is very overwhelming proof
You need to work on your English skills, Xing.

>The wacom schizo is just talking to himself now

>>7662045
>>7662529
https://rentry.org/dtg
Hopefully this rentry will provide more insight than >>7662584 >>7662591
If you think a small display would be more preferable to a large screenless tablet, go for it. I know previous /dtg/ threads recommended the s6 as the cheapest/basic, not sure how expensive it would be to get one in your country though, so you may have to get a screenless anyways.

>>7662582
the CTL-4100 costs double of a CTL-472 and also costs $10 more than the CTL-672 (medium) in most stores. You are overpaying up the ass for five buttons and useless pressure levels.
You posted "420" instead of "472" in this thread, hence the confusion.
Are you actually heat seeking a small tablet for a particular reason, or is this just because of pricing?

>>7662724
Nah, your shitty little rentry is just shilling garbage.
Stop trying to scam people into buying your low quality garbage.

You should only accept feedback or advice from someone who has a tablet and has posted it in this thread btw

>>7662781
No I just wanted something within my budget. And yeah I said the wrong model. Ended up getting the CTL-672. Thanks schizos.

>>7662529
Then go buy an intuos or intuos pro medium if you want a wacom.

I said buy any brand just not a small.

>>7662815
I wonder what drives you.

What's a good mobile tablet I can buy for $700 or less that can replace my Surface Pro 4, and supports Clip Studio Paint?

>>7662981
You can get Galaxy Tab S8/S9 Ultras when discounted.

Does the particular apple pen affect the pressure/smoothness of the work? I have an old apple pen so I'm curious if a new one would make a difference.