Thread 211582194

do. the. work.

>What language(s) are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>List of trackers for most language‐learning packs:
https://files.catbox.moe/nmrn8x.txt
>Ukrainianon’s list of commercial courses from rutracker.org:
https://archive(dot)is/R2feT
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

FAQ:
>How do I learn a language? What is the best way to learn one? How should I improve on certain aspects?
Read the Wiki.
>Should I learn lang Y so I can learn lang X?
No.
>What is the most useful language?
Check the PLI:
http://www.kailchan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Kai-Chan_Power-Language-Index-full-report_2016_v2.pdf
>What language should I learn?
German, Spanish, French, Russian and Japanese (in that order)

Old: >>211471767

you really should be learning russian in 2025

Fuck anki
Fuck normalfags
Fuck duolingo
Fuck conlangs

Hypothetically; if I got a Japanese pocket dictionary and just read through the Japanese learning and daily japanese threads every day, flashcarding every new word for a year, then moved on to 2ch and read 50 posts a day flashcarding new words, how literate could I become in Japanese (assuming I read/reference Tae Kim as needed).

Buenos días.
Odio a las mujeres.

>>211582709
>just read through the Japanese learning and daily japanese threads every day
Not viable due to low amount of content, with the majority of it being boring and/or schizophrenic as well as littered with slang
You would be better off reading something actually tolerable instead

anyone learning ancient languages

Language learners are gay.

>>211583018
I'm learning Akkadian.

>>211582709
Memorizing random words and reading random sentences will eventually lead to progress, but it's inefficient. Consider memorizing the most frequent words first and reading/listening to content that's at your level, where you have a high chance of encountering sentences you can understand fully.

>Apple just added live translation for phone calls
It's fucking over.

>>211583920
Jeets won't even have to learn basic English to phone scam boomers.

>>211583391
source?

>big corporations can now LIVE change what you hear from the other person
it's over

>What language(s) are you learning?
Mainly German, French and a bit of Japanese out of pure curiosity
>Share language learning experiences!
Despite belonging to separate language families, I started mixing French and German and lagging
>Ask questions about your target language!
should I focus on just one language? I need arguments for one or another
Captcha: GATAS

>Jobs
More with German, a little less but a little better paid with French. I have no idea about French and German-speaking coworkers, so it's hard to tell if they're cunts or not. The number of offers and importance of Spanish is growing, and it's similar to French and I could possibly learn it easier and faster in the future.
>Emigration
German-speaking countries pay better, but French-speaking countries are warmer. Other profitable countries have languages related to German and I could possibly learn them easier and faster.
>Women
I don't think some are better than others, guys from all countries complain about their women, but they're all similarly fucked up and great, depending on the person, just in slightly different ways. You can pick up in both French and German, because knowing both is equally impressive and both languages are either beloved or hated
>>211583920
nothingburger. Nothing can replace live interaction with a human being. But it is also an argument for learning more culturally exotic languages to be able to connect with people with whom simple translation will not help much due to mental differences.

>>211584936
You don't need to speak french or german to attract french or german women. You just have to be attractive and tall.

>>211585061
knowing the native language is really important to meeting the normal girls though. like in japan you're not getting any normal japanese girls if you don't know japanese, just the weird WMAF fetishist girls. who really goes for a tourist who doesn't even speak your language? it's just weirdos.

>>211585167
If you're attractive enough, your language skills won't matter. A so-called traditional woman wouldn't date a foreigner, even if he speaks the language fluently. I don't think traditional women exist anymore, unless she's spent her whole life in a secluded village without internet access and was homeschooled.

>>211585565
if you're attractive enough to literally have random girls drop everything and bend backward for you, you'd be a male model. if you're attractive enough, literally nothing matters.

>>211585565
I am rather a person with a beautiful soul. In general, you're right, but the attractiveness also depends on small things, and I had to look for arguments for one or the other language anyway
>>211585565
I talked about what women from these countries are like and about the attractiveness of knowing German or French language in general, not for native speakers of these languages, as two separate things. Knowledge of living foreign languages is attractive in general. And gtfo with that trad women meme based on some Puritan delusional worldview mutated with children's cartoons
ANYWAY
I am looking for other arguments for one or the other language.

>>211584728
drop all three and learn russian instead

>>211582405
And here I am trying to forget Russian

>>211586132
>meme based on some Puritan delusional worldview
It was true before modernity. If you want to marry a non-virgin you're a cuck.

>>211584161
Did you mean to quote the American?

ESLbros, how did you guys get better english pronunciation living outside a english speaking country? My accent is not terrible but I want to improve way more, especially for my career

>>211586749
*reply to

>>211586792
Not an ESL but this is just good advice for improving pronunciation
>consult IPA
>watch videos of native speakers and try to mimic their facial movements
>record yourself and listen back to check how good you sound
>make sure that voice-to-text can understand you

>>211583377
Language learning is very prestigious!

>>211586079
Yeah, and speaking whatever language won't help you in Europe if you don't meet the looks threshold. If you get no action in the states, learning french and moving to france won't help you.

>>211585167
>just the weird WMAF fetishist girls
And this is bad because..?

>>211587057
yeah but we have to talk about what we mean by attractive/looks.

if you're a white guy and you go to China or Indonesia or India, you're getting bonus points that you wouldn't get in say the UK or France, or Sweden or Russia or wherever else it's common.

>>211587249
because those girls fuck every white guy at the tourist bar and they're mentally ill. it's not cool IRL.

>>211587262
Very true. I actually think I would do better in the US because I look Nordic (blue eyes, blond hair), which Asians, Latinas, and other brown women like. But here, I only have white women, so I get no bonus points.

>>211586749
No

>>211587547
contrary to /int/ memes there are a lot of blonde hair/blue eyed people in the US and it's not exotic. nobody gets bonus points here. you need to go somewhere that no blonde hair blue eyed guy goes, like bangeladesh tier sea of little brown people

>>211587782
Really? I thought people who looked like that were mostly found in the Midwest, where Germans and Scandinavians migrated. I guess you don't have to see people like that all the time for them to seem 'common'. Here, maybe one out of ten people looks like me, so women probably see at least a dozen guys who look similar to me every day.

>>211587668
I'm not sure if you're the guy I with a while ago. But I'm going through a book by John Huehnergard (a grammar of Akkadian).

>>211586169
I know Cyrillic alphabet and some basic words and sentences, enough for me
>>211586622
I wasn't talking about virgins but about a trad girl meme
>>211587057
French could actually help him in the States. Just shouldn't be pretentious or caricature wanna be European. Besides, knowledge of any "normal" language is impressive all over the world. I bet that knowledge of German would be appreciated even by a French or Italian girl

>>211588207
Nowadays, women would probably get an ick or whatever the fuck if they found out you learned a language other than English. You'd seem like a tryhard or a nerd.

>>211588414
They don't.
>t. Talked to a girl once

>>211588414
Only if you interact with trashy girls

>>211583598
Yeah but one is fun and the other is boring. Which means I’ll probably do the former and not the latter.

I’m already formally studying Chinese so I was kind of just curious about plinking away 15-30 minutes a day of random Japanese input for fun in case I ever end up back there. I stayed for a month for work and actually already learned a lot of common words and super basic grammar. Thanks for the response.

>>211585167
>oh no haha anything but a woman attracted to my voice, accent, skin tone, hair, culture and facial features

>>211586900
I do text to speech for mandarin because I don’t understand zhuyin and my traditional keyboard only has zhuyin input. But it’s improved my pronunciation a lot lmao.

>>211588060
Before mass immigration America had the highest proportion of blue eyes AFAIK at like 50%.

I live in an area that’s 75% nonwhite in CA, but it’s rural so most of the Whites are heritage Americans and it’s a sea of straw hair and sky-blue eyes.

>>211588878
fetishizing is not the same as being attracted. it's a mental illness, and i'm not interested in fucking a girl who fucked the last 10 guys who walked into a tourist bar just because we have the same physical features.

>>211588414
What language are you learning?

>>211589363
east asians look so different from europeans i think some sort of mental illness is required to find them attractive and vice versa

>>211589228
That's interesting. Throughout my life, I've seen many anglos and they usually have light-colored eyes but brown hair.
>>211589415
German

>>211589363
I’m not interested in fucking the night I meet her at a bar. That seems like more of a problem here.

>>211589640
Well America AFAIK is also heavily scottish and irish and there’s some moderate lightening there relative to Englishmen before accounting for the Germans/Scandis/Dutch/Poles/etc.

>>211588179
I'm not

>>211583598
Serbbro, have you ever had the experience of watching one series in your TL for several months, getting really used to their voices and the way they speak, then having a sudden loss in comprehension level when you start watching a new series?

>>211592654
Sure, if the new series has characters talking in a way that I'm not familiar with or used to. Like, the way people talk in dubs and actual native series is different, the latter has a lot more slang and unique expressions that you have to wrap your head around the first time you hear them. I'd say my listening comprehension is pretty stable, but I tend to watch a lot of different content and get through it quickly. You should probably avoid sticking to one piece of content for that long.

>>211593330
Yeah, you're right. The first few series I watched were pretty long anime series, and whenever I got to the last season or so I would understand nearly 100%, but after starting the next series on my list I would notice a drop in comprehension, and repeat. Maybe I should just pick shorter series. I have an autistic urge to only watch one thing until I finish the last episode.

I (a native English-speaking bookworm) have been adding every English word I come across that I either haven't seen before or haven't retained the meaning of to an "advanced English" Anki deck with the occasional image reference and pronunciation audio.
With something like 600k words in the language, there should be something here for English learners of all levels.
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/412658911

>>211586792
If you want to match correctly a posh british accent it's strongly suggested to wear a buttplug of generous dimensions, that will improve significantly your ability.

Ive been chatting to a russian lass. Not sure what type, possibly ukrainian.
She's always asking questions. Is this normal?
I can tell she's a bit playful with some of the things she says but then she'll be super direct when she wants to know somehting

>>211582709
learn like kids do
piick up the most frequesntly used words and verbs
memorise a few basic interrrogative/informative sentence structures
then just replace words as needed

>>211596453
This may be your first time encountering a high IQ woman

>>211596602
possibly. Might be why i've been chatting to her

>>211594313
neat

Aaaagh, I'm going crazy! Help me decide
>French
Fewer but slightly better paid job offers in Poland, lower wages in Europe (still much better than in Poland), but extensive employee rights and the shortest working week, the language of culture, you sound very clever and rapid and cocky, nuclear energy, trains, planes, the press, language supremacy complex, better assimilated migrants and their descendants, their own AI, less prejudiced against Poles
>German
Slightly lower average earnings with this language but many more job offers in Poland, good wages in Europe, the country is closer, easier to learn Scandinavian languages, more people speak English, huge Polish diaspora, the largest language in Europe in terms of native speakers, nerd culture like board games, you sound phlegmatic and cold and cool

>>211598362
Soulless post

>>211598362
russian

>>211598427
Russian.

French music makes me want to learn their language

>>211582561
and fuck whyt pipo too

>>211598944
cringe

>>211598362
Sounds like you don't want to learn either one of them

>>211598362
french is heads, german is tails.

now flip a coin. if you're unhappy with the result, you now have your real answer.

learn my language

learn finnish

>>211598362
>stay in Poland/move to Germany
German.

>move to the France
French.

Does that answer your question?

I've really been struggling to find CI at my level. I tried doing shit like watching native level content with click-to-translate on the subtitles but its a giant hassle since a lot of content in the language I'm studying doesn't have target-language subtitles (only english). And the click-to-translate doesn't work very well with unrelated agglutinative languages.

Recently I've just been doing semi-intensive listening where I watch videos I like with english subtitles on but turning them on and off and rewinding a lot. So if its an hour video it'll usually take me 1.5 to 2 hours to finish. Often I'll watch a segment with subtitles and then without or vice versa. I try to keep subtitles off at least 2/3rds of the time.

I was just doing this out of laziness but I actually like it much better. I tried doing this with japanese recently (a language I haven't studied and don't know at all) and it worked perfectly fine, was able to pick up new words and structures and remember them no problem.

and its way more enjoyable
>watching stuff you want right from day 1, no boring CI
>"by native for native" content from the beginning so youre learning about target culture, not just the language
>no having to fish for transcripts or target language subtitle files
>no having to pause to look up words

this is my new input method now fuck CI fuck glosses

So why do retards claim that DeepL is better than Google if it's not even remotely true? Like wtf, Google is so much better it looks like trolling but I always see this claim.
>>211583018
Me. Standard High German.
>>211596453
>another Russian learner
>learns it to fuck the women
Like clockworks.
>>211586219
This. So much this.

>>211600642
CI is a meme if you're high IQ

I'm learning polish and Bulgarian

>100 anki cards
>1hr TL music in the car
>20 min TL "educational" (waifu) youtube
>2hr low effort inpoot like games set to TL or TL TV
Every single day. How long to reach C2 with this routine?

>>211601601
DeepL is better than Google. At least for what I use it for (French <-> English and Japanese <-> English). If you're translating from German to Russian then maybe it isn't very good. Different translators use different models and strategies for different language pairs, sometimes using an intermediary language. It just depends on the language pair. For example, Google translates from Belarusian to English using Russian as an intermediary. It'll translate Belarusian into Russian then the Russian into English. It's obviously less accurate than a translator that translates directly from Belarusian into English.
It's possible DeepL uses an intermediary between German and Russian whereas Google translates directly between the two. It just depends. Experiment with yandex, google, and DeepL, and choose whichever you think works best.
For my langs DeepL destroys Google, especially when it comes to translating idioms.

>>211602053
100 new cards each day? your reviews will stack up and you'll be spending hours reviewing and learning cards

>>211602053
depends on the language

>>211602115
100 total cards, review and new combined
>>211602120
French
>>211602096
Speaking of French, I tested DeepL out with a few things where google had fumbled previously and it nailed all tests. I wonder if I should actually use it or if I should stick with google which forces me to basically look through the words one at a time and make sure I agree with the translation choices for each.

>>211589628
to the point that you prefer them, yeah that's weird. not prefering your own group is just weirdo shit.

>>211602115
i currently do 50 new vocabulary cards per day and 35 sentence cards. Takes me about ~2ish hours on average including reviews. I have one of those little bluetooth micro controllers and the cards are all audio so I just do it with my headphones while im walking, shopping, etc.

>>211602765
cope

>>211603205
that doesn't contradict what i wrote anon

>>211603241
my own 'group' (white american gen z girls) have a 97 average iq, 40-50% risk of divorce and a princess complex. younger generations in east asia literally average 110 iq, have an 18% chance of divorce marrying western men, and are (comparatively) sweet and down to earth. its an objective assessment of superiority

i don't understand why people who are neither white men nor asian women get so upset about wmaf

>>211603306
more like you couldn't get a good one so you took the downgrade to nonwhite girls and now try to justify it with retarded shit like IQ statistics lol

>>211603354
hello bbygirl, u single?

>>211603306
t. was rejected by white girls

I haven't added new words to Anki for months. Im still stuck at like 91 percent mature words. Whats going on is this normal? Thanks.

>>211603306
>18% chance of divorce
errmmmm no dont think so, it's much higher, 离婚率 in China rn is 40%+ even with the government doing everything it can to reduce it
also if we look at the example of Chinese girls (the vast majority of East Asians), there are also several drawbacks
>bride price/dowry
>must have a house in China
>must have a car
>五金 (you have to buy her five pieces of gold jewellry to marry her)
>parental approval needed for marriage
>extended family probably won't approve
>wife manages finances long term, you as the husband just get a small allowance
>extremely high rate of cheating in marriages
>in-laws will want to live with you and control your life

There are few drawbacks to a Chinese gf but if you want to get married to a Chinese girl you will have to cross a lot of cultural boundaries

>>211604194
just sentence mine for new cards

>>211604427
taiwan/korea/japan are usually what people are thinking of first and foremost when talking about east asia

>>211600642
Yeah an old piece of wisdom I got from a boomer whose methods were all from the 70s once told me to get a text or subtitles in both languages, read the english once with the TL audio and really focus on understanding the “English meaning” once, and then never look at the English again while doing subsequent reps in the TL. And he used this for Chinese and eventually became an interpreter and professor before the internet, so you know it works.

I copied it for my textbook studies and it sped things up dramatically to just do the english once (with mandarin audio) and just trust that from then on I could pretty much figure out what a chapter or piece of input said nearly always.

It hasn’t made the learning speed dramatically faster, but it’s made it far more comfortable and easy to keep up.

>>211599733
Ég mun vilja læra það einn dag.
Vilt þú kenna mig?

it is 11 june and you should start learning russian

I want to learn too many languages but I'm already lazy with the languages I study now

>>211607681
drop all of them and learn swahili

>>211598362
>(still much better than in Poland)
somehow i doubt that if you adjust for CoL

>>211583377
>duolingo
>language learning
pick one

>aspects
>motions
>prefixes
no wonder russians are psychotic warmongers. i'd go insane too if i had to learn 20 variants of a verb for anything i wanna say.

>>211610391
learn german, retard

>>211610429
german is sòy and browncoded

>>211610452
absolute retard take

>>211610478
absolutely true take though.
there are more german speakers in turkey than in germany itself, and it's not like there are many germans left in the old country either. it's the quintessential shitskin language.

well there's french now that i think about it
but that's hardly a high bar

>>211610517
meds

>>211610572
that's not how you spell facts though

in current year doner kebab is the national german dish, mohammed is the most common german newborn name and erdogan is the most popular politician in germany
if this isnt shitskin coded i dont know what is

I listened to a podcast about Italo Calvino and now I want to learn Italian again

>>211598378
I am also open to more soulful esoteric arguments
>>211599317
>>211599644
I am dissatisfied no matter what the coin shows. I need a strong argument for one or the other because I like both very much
>>211599923
>>211609208
Second world wages, first world prices. I don't know what the future holds

I read the wiki, but give your favourite learning material for the following languages. Can be behind a paywall as long as it is not subscription based. Text form preferred. No need for listening or speaking exercises. I'm mostly interested in vocabulary and grammar with clear progression.

>French
>German
>Japanese

>>211599733
I already speak English kek
>>211607681
Find something to do that's addictive and rewarding
>>211612142
LLMs

>>211612823
I think llms are better to have conversations, but id really prefer actual learning material for the basics. School books, webcourses, apps etc

I don't feel like inputting today

>>211582194 (OP)
I learn Italian.
Plain memorizing top 1000 phrases and words using anki, then trying to make sense out of easy conversations.
So far it works great but I took a break because of exams.
I feel like it would be a miss if I don't learn Italian and Spanish since they're easy

>>211601929
Nice. Bulgarian is cool because it has no cases iirc. Easiest slavic language and after you learn it you can understand some Russian too

>>211612142
Oh! My TLs. These are my resources, all free:
>German
Pimsleur
https://www.linguno.com/
https://yourdailygerman.com/german-grammar-course/
DW Lerne
On YT: Comprehensible German
Natürlich German
comprehensible GERMANi - Natürlich deutsch
Language Reactor
>French
Pimsleur
https://www.linguno.com/
Language Transfer
On YT:
French Comprehensible Input
french pronunciation playlist of Nastya Titova or Fluent Forever for basic pronunciation
maybe Dreamimg French when they start
This playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf8XN5kNFkhdIS7NMcdUdxibD1UyzNFTP
Copy and google her essentials aroun 3:57 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n53tFT1dQv8&t=236s
Also random yt channels like Learn French with Elisabeth or with Lisa
https://www.podcastfrancaisfacile.com/ - saved but I have more resources than time at this point
>Japanese
MoeWay, Iago (phone app is like a normal course with a story and browser extension is like Language Reactor but only for Japanese), Renshuu, Tofugu website and mnemotechnic

page 10 bump. is language learning dead in 2025? this thread clearly is

>>211615518
too busy inpooting

*too busy dabbling

>>211615518
>>211615883
This entire site is dead if you haven't noticed.

>>211615899
wrong
I'm learning one language at a time and can consume some native content already

>>211615966
getting ready for the naturalization exam? de donde eres?

>>211613238
Yeah if I could speak a Romance language I would just march down the continuum from most similar to least similar since even if you abandon italian later for spanish the leg up you get will mean you don’t lose much time or effort. (At least for literacy).

>>211616104
*¿de dónde eres?

>>211612142
>German
I really liked the Dino Lernt Deutsch series of readers. It's what got me into reading and it's the perfect start after you learn your first couple hundred words. The books start off easy and get progressively more difficult.

http://lelang.su/german/adaptirovannye-knigi-na-nemetskom-yazyke/
This site has a ton of graded readers divided by level, most of them have audio so you can train your listening too. I recommend not neglecting listening, you can read alongside audio and just gradually stop relying on reading the text.

>French
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRcHmntfmJ8CnSmj4C284-a1euH518aQa
I've only found this one recently and it's my favorite resource. It's Pokémon in 11 different languages with accurate captions, including French. The later seasons don't have captions, but by then you'll get used to listening. I'm ~25 episodes in and I've already had a noticeable jump in comprehension.

>>211616514
>no mandarin
Le sigh. More 喜洋洋 for me I guess.

https://voca.ro/1ev81mIyHojy
rate my accent please bros

Italian seems interesting to learn until you actually interact with Italians and you remember how they're r*ddit: the race

>>211618002
kek

guai, dammi mezza dozzina per la camera d'albergo

>>211620372
mezza dozzina di che?

>>211620521
di quello che voglia

>>211621295
comunque se chiedi una mezza dozzina così in italiano la cosa piú probabile è che ti portino 6 uova.

J'ai un devoir de l'université, c'est un enquête de la culture belgois.

Comment est la culture dan la Brussels? Comment est que les langues affect le culture? Quelles sont sa dialects?

>>211621377
uguale in spagnolo
solo è qualcosa che scrivo in delle diverse lingue per non annoiarmi

Women can't spell for shit.

https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1749381587575541.webm

>>211621572
demande à j'ai pété

>read fifty pages of French a day to find new words
>can't speak it
>speak Irish without thinking about it
>can barely read it
>loebs cost 40+ euro
>never read the English novels on my shelf as I'm too busy inpoooting
I give up. Anglos won

>>211615518
Language learning is a solved problem. Every serious learner finds out after 10 seconds of google that they should:
>download a top 1000 word anki deck
>anki goon
>input
And the non-serious learners just sign up for duolingo until they get bored

>>211623113
it's time to give russian a try

>>211623244
Impossible for anyone that doesn't like Dostsoyevsky

I'm a fucking failure

Just bought a book on Arabic, supposed to take me to Intermediate alone.
Hopefully the sheer power of reading and not staring at a computer screen will help me focus more.

>>211624074
Don't worry Porto bro.

>>211624164
The problem with learning Arabic is that it will allow you to understand what Arabs talk about

>>211624528
Thanks Kraków friend

>>211618002
that's canadians though
like literally, not even trying to do le epic comeback here, canadians are the personification of reddit

>>211624074
You're only a failure if you don't do. the. work.

>>211623537
Pushkin alone makes it worth it.

>>211624639
Don't worry I already follow the politics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18WquzLHAps

>>211625055
Fuck it there's no giving up now I'm gonna be fluent even if it takes me 30 years and my ears fall off

>>211623113
Maybe start reading some Irish then retard. Sound out the words.

>>211623236
Practically speaking there’s not much difference between ankigooning and duolingo if you’re disciplined. Its just that it bills itself as more than a vocabulary teacher.

Someone could do very well for themselves if they seriously dedicated an hour a day to grind out Duolingo Spanish and then just switched to native CI and a reference grammar for reading.

i dont know how to say "to conflate" in spanish and i will NOT look it up

>>211626383
you can unarguably learn way more vocab through input and ankigooning than duolingo will ever teach you

>>211626383
>Someone could do very well for themselves if they seriously dedicated an hour a day to grind out Duolingo Spanish and then just switched to native CI and a reference grammar for reading.
Esto es lo que hice yo, menos lo de la gramatica. Me llevó un año aprender español pero es muy parecido al italiano.

>>211626639
Yeah so you obviously misread my post. I said duolingo + input, but you said ankigooning + input> duolingo alone, which is not what I said.

>>211627024
I was thinking more about English speakers, mainly so they can flesh out their understanding of conjugations a little more thoroughly.

>>211627240
still anki has the advantage that it lets you add the words you find while inputting so you can remember them easier

>>211627240
>I was thinking more about English speakers, mainly so they can flesh out their understanding of conjugations a little more thoroughly.
I don't know. Maybe you could recite verb conjugations like they make you do in school (io faccio, tu fai, egli fa...), maybe it will prime you to recognize the sound as correct.
This if you are interested in speaking over listening, and even then I would wait until you are pretty good at undestanding.

Also, regarding Anki, I think it's way too overrated. I'm using it for japanese and it's very hard to balance the amount of context that you put on the front. If you put nothing (like the kaishi deck everyone slobbers over) you are basically learning the language on nightmare more.
If you put too much however you risk learning the context instead of the word. It's happened to me with the word flashcard for "marriage", I learned that the context sentence "Next month, my younger sister will do XXX" with "marriage" instead of actually learning the word.

>>211627321
Yes absolutely, and it can be a lot quicker in terms of word count, so it’s 100% a superior word teacher. But Duolingo does work. I think the focus should be less on the perfect program and just encouraging people to consistently do something that exposes/reviews an adequate amount of new words.

Anki is inferior to actual physical paper flashcards

>>211627578
Pre-made physical flashcards are inferior to making your own.

>>211627525
>I learned that the context sentence "Next month, my younger sister will do XXX" with "marriage" instead of actually learning the word.
My experience exactly with the HSK decks. I just got a spoken/character reader and found when I came back to Anki yesterday that I pretty much instantly recognized anything that I had already read in the textbook, review is Anki’s real ideal purpose, not learning new words on the spot.

So basically, it’s rough at early stages to get to the point where you can hit graded readers, but then it’s an incredibly convenient SRS once you are largely reviewing words you’re seeing in texts/conversations already.

>>211627931
Yes, of course I meant making your own
Just like you are supposed to make your own Anki deck

>>211627548
i honestly dont see how duolingo could encourage anyone but children. its just childish. i guess i like anki more because its more serious or solemn or smth
>>211627578
until you break them or loose them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn8TiVd_lH4

any of you guys watch this guy? I enjoy his vids about english

>>211627578
The advantage of Anki is the SRS algorithm, you're doing less work for the same amount of benefit.

French or Russian?

>>211630170
Russian.

ипютитe

>>211625016
>n-no you

>>211630170
German

>>211621572
Crazy how i can understand pretty much all of this without ever having studied a latin language

>>211626639
i honestly dont think i know how to say it in NL either

>>211628666
interesting video. I knew about Rob Words, but not this guy

>>211630341
Is this the reason why people learn russian?

What makes Japanese hard really?
Is it really just the writing system?
Does it have any nonsensical grammar things going on?

>>211635386
+ fastest spoken language

>>211635851
>only slightly faster than Spanish
I hear Cubans talk all the time and I've heard other Hispanics complain that they speak too fast

>>211633612
its better to learn belarusian or ukrainain so you dont have to deal with ugly asiatic russoids
>t. learned russian and had to move to central asia

>>211635999
check em

>>211615518
Yes. As I've said many times, there is Zero reason to learn a language (other than english) unless you just like suffering for years on end in pursuit of a pointless goal. This makes you ultra based, but it's no surprise it's unpopular.

>>211613710
>linguno
seems based but is this little penguin going to try to make me gay like the owl did?

I didn't speak TL at the festival this year at all, unlike last year.

Any good websites or apps for learning French through writing out sentences? I have just used Duolingo at the moment and it feels too simple. Maybe a textbook would be better? Or I guess I could watch one of those show/news things and write the sentences out

>>211637827
I'm not really clear on what you're asking for here, if you want to learn by copying text then just like look up a news article and copy that all down by hand. If you mean listening exercises, hear a sentence then write what you heard, try this thing which anon linked earlier
>https://www.linguno.com/
I admit I just tried it today after his rec but the listening exercises seem great