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>What language(s) are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>List of trackers for most language‐learning packs:
https://files.catbox.moe/nmrn8x.txt
>Ukrainianon’s list of commercial courses from rutracker.org:
https://archive(dot)is/R2feT
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

FAQ:
>How do I learn a language? What is the best way to learn one? How should I improve on certain aspects?
Read the Wiki.
>Should I learn lang Y so I can learn lang X?
No.
>What is the most useful language?
Check the PLI:
https://www.kailchan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Kai-Chan_Power-Language-Index-full-report_2016_v2.pdf
>What language should I learn?
German, Spanish, French, Russian and Japanese (in that order)

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Old: >>211639870

you guys let the old one die you bastards

>>211655592 (OP)
Any resource on classical Chinese?

I want to read the Tao Te Ching

How do I restrain the urge to start Chinese before I truly get proficient in Japanese and Russian? I love learning languages so fucking much bros
>>211655846
There is a general on /lit/ for classical languages, they have links with everything you need

>>211656790
Thank you fren

What are some good things to read in Ukrainian

I WANT TO GO BACK ITS NOT FAIR I WANT GTO RETVRN TO WHAT WAS f

I sometimes know what the Mexicans are saying now

>>211656790
just do it
>>211659578
nice

I keep cheating on my Chinese with Italian and French..............
has ANYONE here EVER learned Chinese and had it opened ANY doors?

¿Dónde está el baño?

>last thread was archived at 50 posts
It's over

I'm SO good at this.
I'm gonna be native-level some day.

>>211662455
Wow cool!! Gif do you mind if I download this?

>>211662571
Save it, it's all yours my friend :)

>>211650650
It works because your mind learns to take shortcuts and takes advantage of the patterns (grammar!). You actually don't need to understand what you're hearing/seeing for it to work a little bit. And imo writing out everything is a little bit much. Just recalling it in your head is better than nothing and might be good enough for you.
And yeah LLMs are not entirely reliable but the good ones will generate grammatically correct text in German which is the main thing

I really wanna learn Tupi but no one speaks it

>>211662774
Thanks!!!! ^^

a language genie appears and offers you a gift:

you get 12 language points™ and get to spend them on languages.

A level costs 1 point.

B level costs 2 points.

C level costs 3 points.

C level with perfect native accent costs 4 points.

Make your choices.

>>211664319
P.S. you lose all current language knowledge if you accept this gift--forgot to mention that part

>>211655592 (OP)
>Porn
>Prostitutes
>Cuckoldry
>Becoming Tranny
>Men
this image was made by a tranny
who's probably a jew too

>>211664368
Then this is a shitty deal, I have around 14 points without any genie

>>211664635
Language genie is a hard nigga though, and he might take serious offense if you refuse his gift.

>>211655592 (OP)
I'm on live with a prostitute. She's good with me. She doesn't judge me and she says I'm handsome

>>211664635
>flag
safe to assume theyre all chinese

i feel empty in my country
me siento vacío en mi país
je me sens vide dans mon pays
mi sento vacuo nel mio paese
uacuus in natione mea sentio

I still keep getting confused between тaкoй and кaкoй

I have a problem where I am interested in many languages, but have trouble deciding one to actually start with. I took two years of Spanish and three years of Latin in high school and was the top student in those classes, writing stories while some were still struggling to pronounce and comprehend simple words, so I know I can learn anything I put my mind to.

>Latin
Already some experience with it. Could be useful on a trip to the Vatican, or reading ancient and medieval texts. Not spoken by many.

>French
Easy with the Latin background, amount of resources, and spoken by many people. Not a fan of the state of Paris atm but maybe it will be cleansed, and other parts of France would be nice to visit. Some beautiful girls. Pronunciation is weird and faggy compared to Latin

>Norwegian
Supposed to be one of the easiest languages for English speakers. Beautiful women and nature in Norway, although most there know English already.

>Scottish or Irish Gaelic
Muh heritage. I liked the countries when i visited before but i know they are not widespread languages. Would be interesting to be one of the few to keep it alive.

>>211665991
i wrote a big reply but i realized you're basically retarded and wouldn't benefit from the advice

>>211664319
So basically a debate between being perfect in 3 languages or advanced in 4.

Alright, I’m taking perfect Latin, Mandarin, Japanese. I can use the Latin and my new galaxy brain to just figure out Romanx on my own. Plus now I can make a living being the best Latin speaker on the planet and teach online courses from Tokyo while my perfect Mandarin boosts my day career.

>>211665991
>Supposed to be one of the easiest languages for English speakers
Factoids like this don't apply to you if you're talented. You can learn any IE language and probably lots of others
>latin
Sounds like you have bad reasons to learn it, forget about it
>french
France is definitely worth visiting, yes even paris
>norwegian
There are beautiful women in plenty of other countries
>celtic languages
Could be cool but you kinda have to go out of your way to actually find people who speak them at a high level. If you want to talk to people in rural places where there isn't much to see, go ahead. Heritage just sounds like copium desu.
If you're dead-set on one of these 5 languages, I'd say just go with French

>>211666714
no dead languages. don't try to trick language genie again...

>>211665991
I have two opinions on Latin. One is that if you aren’t Catholic you have no reason to learn it. Two is that if you are Catholic you have no excuse not to learn it.

>>211665991
Go with latin or celtic languages, french indeed sounds gay and only homos and liberal women learn it.

>>211667403
italian and french are probably the most beautiful languages. there's nothing gay about it.

>>211667452
They sound gay and annoying, I don't think they are beautiful. Imo English sounds better than them.

>>211667486
maybe that's just you being polish. idk. i used to think german was beautiful but then i actually listened to languages side by side and it's just not lol.

>>211667570
I don't know what that would have to do with anything. I don't think german sounds beautiful as well, but it doesn't annoy me, so I don't know. DESU, I don't find any language beautiful.

>>211667001
C in Latin and i’ll take A arabic then.

>>211665991
I recommend you study French and just stick with it until you can input effortlessly
Don't bother with Latin or meme languages until you've mastered a living language
Start French now

>>211666406
We don’t care
>>211666764
Yeah I don’t think any language would be too hard, mostly just interested in European languages and cultures.
>>211667005
I was baptized as a baby, confirmed in the Catholic Church in middle school. I go to church with my family or friends every once in a blue moon. I follow the rules and support it, but I don’t like going to mass alone.
>>211667403
That is a good point

learn Finnish

>>211667983
Yeah then as a monolingual American Catholic you probably get more exposure to Latin (even just a bit) than anything else.

French or Russian?

>>211667983
you're not going to learn any of them. your reasons are retarded. stop pretending you will for the dopamine hit

>>211668508
Pick one of those five and I’ll be C1 or higher by June 12th, 2026 retard

>>211668730
no you won't and writing some gay ultimatum to an anon on 4chan isn't going to make you :\

>>211668730
you need a real reason, not some gay nonsense about "hot girls" or visting the vatican for a day. the real reasons are stuff like

>i visited there once and loved it, i want to go live there on a permanent basis
>my gf/wife is native in it
>my relatives are natives in it and we're close
>i have close friends who are natives in it
>my employer wants to send me there for work
>i live in an area where there's a lot of native speakers for some reason and i run into them at the store or w/e on a weekly basis
>i'm really really into this random niche hobby/sport/thing and for whatever reason it's predominantly populated by a lot of these native speakers and I run into them/talk to them on a weekly if not daily basis

not some gay half-baked bullshit about how you're 20% irish and want to RETVRN to your ANCVSTERS, and HVNOR THVM. Get real.

>>211665991
>Latin
meme language, even for a Catholic. Learn Italian or Spanish at this point. Or French
>French
See above. You didn't mention Italian or Spanish, so French
>Norwegian
>Scottish or Irish Gaelic
lack of resources, little online content (but there is some). If you don't plan on moving there or you're not autistically interested in culture or linguistics, it's not worth it. French then.
>>211668419
French

>>211665991
that's because you don't really want to learn one. you just like the idea of knowing them and fantasize. everybody would like to know another language. there are plenty of cool ones.

>>211659578
what do they say?

>>211666764
>>211669980
>>211667830
I will learn French thank you
>>211668924
>>211669353
>>211671143
YOU are a faggot that will be tormented by the flames of Hell.

>>211671579
you literally said french sounds gay lol why would you learn it

>>211664368
>>211664368
Anything below C is worthless, and you should have at least 1 language at native level otherwise you're a retard no matter what. Assuming your "lose all knowledge" includes NL. Therefore, I am forced to spend 4 points each on English, Chinese, and the last one is tough - Spanish wins on pure speaker count but, while I have lost all existing knowledge, I can still gain new knowledge and spanish is relatively easy to learn from english. Keeping this in mind, it's advantageous to spend my last 4 perfecting a language which is both widely used and is not similar to English or Chinese. Therefore, I must go Arabic. This maximizes both utility and how many hours of study I have saved by employing the genie's magic.

>>211671579
French will make you more based, since starting learning French I have found out that the lads in /fr/ are the best posters on this entire sin-cursed website at minimum. That's worth it right there

>>211671601
With knowledge comes a new perspective. When you climb a mountain does your view on the peak not change from that at the base? I will learn it and see for myself
>>211671726
We are gonna make it

>>211672207
or you can not be a woman and have actual opinions

>>211659578
It's always cap or attacking each other for being too Mexican online and it's hilarious every time

>>211665163
Кaкoй in Japanese means cool fyi

>>211672442
cyгoй

>>211672207
#1 fact to know about learning french from english is that reading is easy, lots of shared root words and the like so you can sketch out a basic concept with minimal effort, but production is a bitch because the grammar is a lot different and listening is nightmare mode because a dozen different verb conjugations will all sound the exact same and they drop like half the letters in every word when speaking even beyond that. so tldr start listening practice instantly if you want to have hope

I don't browse /int/ ever, but this seems like a based thread. I'm fluent in English, Japanese, and Khmer, and I'm 1 year into learning Chinese. It's going very well since I've got a good support group and most of the vocab are the same as Japanese.

Just keep inputting and outputting every single day bros.

>>211673089
Stick around, there's not enough regular posters who speak anything and you may be the only Khmer poster I have seen
>inputting
ez
>outputting
suifuel, I hate feeling like a retard when forgetting basic words and grammar concepts

>>211673344
he makes progresss because he doesn't sit on here

>>211673355
He's on 4chan, just not this thread which keeps dying due to lack of posts. In your framework of understanding however this is a good sign. /lang/ is a dead general because everyone is simply spending their free time learning their TL instead of shitposting here. We are free

>>211673344
I really like outputting. But I'm an old man so I don't feel shame anymore. Plus I have confidence knowing that I have become fluent in other languages by just grinding every day. Honestly people are still laughing at my Japanese-Chinese pidgin daily, but whatever. I kind of like the attention.

>>211673391
the most chad generals are the ones that die constantly because all of the regulars are too busy living life to bother keeping it up. threads that never die are fucking embarassing

>>211664319
I really wanted to speak native Latin, since I can't I guess I'll settle for the artificial level and teach it to my children.

>Latin C

>British Native
Spoken the way Cambridge wants you to

>German A

>Italian Native
I won't abandon my Mothertongue

>>211664319
only 12 points makes this pretty hard desu

combinations:

3 native level

4 C level

1 native, 2C, 1B

6B

12A

2C 3B

1 native, 4B

>>211674419
>12A

>>211673967
Based take, I agree with this now, you convinced me.

>>211674446
What was deleted and WHY?

>>211665991
>>211672207
OP should add parasocial relationship to the image

how did i never think to read wikipedia articles in my tl

>should I study X or Y
Doesn't matter because you will never learn either of them, you spiritual Jordie

>>211676144
I'm really not convinced anyone who was unsure about what to learn ever got fluent, wishy washy thinkers do not have multiple years of daily grinding in them

>>211659249
How well do you know the language?

>>211664319
>>211664368
Well... if I keep Portuguese and English that only leaves me with about 5 points.
But also my French is already upper B level, so to keep that, I only have about 3 points left over. My German is probably close enough to B level to count as two points, so now I only have 1 point left over. And there's still a bunch of languages I dabbled in that are still A level.
So the genie is going to have to come up with a better deal for me.

>>211665073
Ich fühle mich leer in meinem Land

>>211665991
>>Latin
>Already some experience with it. Could be useful on a trip to the Vatican
The Vatican doesn't speak latin. They even made their official working language italian a few years back.

>>211665991
>was the top student in those classes, writing stories while some were still struggling to pronounce and comprehend simple words, so I know I can learn anything I put my mind to.
Lol.
Language classes and learning a language are two different things, bud.
>Latin
You should know its a dead language, nobody speaks it so what are you going to use it for?
>French
Its the easiest one you listed because it has a lot of content
>Norwegian
Way harder than you think because there's basically no content and there's no standard dialect, so its like learning to play chess if the rules of the game were changing constantly
>Scottish/Irish
Even less content than Norwegian

>>211673089
>Khmer
How?

imagine wasting your time learning russian when you couldve been learning german

>>211678410
germans speak russian, so it's not useless

>>211674674
>the most chad generals are the ones that die constantly because all of the regulars are too busy living life to bother keeping it up. threads that never die are fucking embarassing

>>211664319
Native Polish, English, and Japanese.

not too sure, so let's roll
1 French
2 Russian
3 Japanese
4 German
5 Spanish
6 Mandarin
7 Italian
8 Swedish
9-0 first reply decides

>>211680018
roll

>>211679013
Vgh truth nuke, tfw too intelligent to succeed

>>211680018
roll

did my anki before noon today
feeling like I cannot be stopped

>>211681195
not intelligent enough to use desuarchive though kek

>>211680018
Where's Portuguese?

>>211683834
that list is for dabblers only, hence why they need chance to pick for them. the decided man's choice has already picked portuguese and does not need a single number to choose in his stead

>>211680018
roll

>>211659469
Und die Polen haben irgendwie immer noch die Frechheit, Wiedergutmachungszahlungen zu verlangen.

>>211664402
I don't mind if it's a cute one.

erase russian from your brain

>>211665073
ich fühle mich innerlich leer in meinem Land.
je me sens vide pans mon pays

>>211665991
I hate this chick. Not even that hot.

Ich hasse dieses Weib. Sie ist nicht mal attraktiv.

>>211655592 (OP)
Currently learning latin and german, I began with latin 2 years ago, and I will start with german in 2 months (although I have some previous knowledge)

In the future I would like to learn greek either ancient or modern, welsh or irish and maybe french

>>211684882
weakling dabbler

>>211664319
>2: Linear A
>4: Proto-Indo-Germanic
>2: Akkadian
>4: Sumerian

>>211685613
see >>211667001

>>211664319
German
French
Russian
Japanese

all C level

I'd maybe swap Jap for Chinese.

>>211664319
>4: english
>4: german
>3: french
>1: ancient greek

>>211666714
>>211674247
>>211685613
>>211686793
there's no CEFR for dead langauges you retards. also you're all gay as fuck for having the same idea. Sad!

>>211686917
wah wah wutevva

dubs decide what i focus on this july
1-2 french
3-4 german
5-6 greek
7-8 latin
9-0 roller chooses one of the above

>>211687053
Oye, si te interesa el latín, yo llevo estudiándolo desde hace dos años por si necesitas algún consejo para empezar, y pronto empezaré con el alemán, por curiosidad, ¿de que parte de España eres?

Do Argentinians pronounce yo as sho, or am I tripping?

do not ever let anyone convince you that learning russian is a good idea

>>211687197
yeah they have that sound instead and it extends to ll

>>211687354
Are you the same Italian who's been spamming 'learn russian' for the past couple of weeks ITT?
>>211687417
Interesting. I like it, maybe I should pronounce it that way too since I'm going for the latin american pronunciation anyway. I don't want to sound like I have a lisp.

>>211687129
res est quod iam aliquatenus latinae studui, adhuc tamen comprehenesionem meliorem facere uollo, libris facilitius legendis

>¿de que parte de España eres?
baetica

>>211687481
>>211687197
Yes. This is the best pronunciation in my opinion, but in LatAm this type of pronunciation makes you look arrogant from what I heard
Ponoć działa na innych jak warszawskie tablice na resztę Polski.

The past few days I've been studying Spanish by reading the youtube comments on a video about Spanish people who moved to Germany to work who ended up hating Germany because apparently Germans are all passive-aggressive racists with unwarranted arrogance. It's great because the comments are a mixture of colloquial Spanish (since most youtube commenters are retarded) and formal Spanish (since some comments are well-written), and it's also against Germans which is great because I hate Germans.

>>211687481
>I don't want to sound like I have a lisp
Odd reason imo, but keep in mind that "latin american pronunciation" is a meme in the first place. There are a few broad similarities but southern cone Spanish is its own thing and if you speak like an Argentinian you will not be understood as easily outside of Argentina.

>>211689203
show us on the doll where the evil germans touched you

>>211689203
>NOOOO LET ME RUIN YOUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!! STOP BEING RACIST!!!!!!!!!!
stop trying to be white and demand things from white people

There is no point in learning Japanese if you never experience school life and all the clichés in Japan.
Only work, and if you are rich or work remotely and can afford more time off, then everyone else is still working and you won't establish any relationships. What's the point of doing anything that won't bring you closer to people. And wages are not that good
I just realized it

>>211688720
I'll be a tall, blonde gringo in latin america, not being arrogant would be weird.
>>211689321
I want to travel to latam and being able to communicate there is my priority.

>>211685635
Ok fine.
4: Mandarin Chinese (need to tonemaxx)
3: Japanese (Kino)
2: Arabic (just to speak it)
3: Pussian

>>211684782
Of course a Slovenian would be saying that weird stuff

>>211674444
>The ultimate indian scammer

>>211690344
Alternative if I only knew Dutch and English
Hebrew C, Italian C, Modern Greek B, French B, Arabic B. Then self study Latin-Greek and French to C

>>211687354
lel

>>211677884
The vatican has fallen... billions must pray

>>211687053
Latin.

It’s piss easy for a Spanish speaker

>>211687604
Incredibilis, deinde populares sumus quod baeticus quoque sum. Quamquam "facilitius" non est verbum latinum, capio te melior legere velle. Si melior legere voles, libros ut Winnie ille Pu vel Regulus legere debebis. Hi libri faciles sunt legendi

>>211673089
what do you do for your Chinese?

>>211692792
nempe non est latinum, aliqua "-it-" uelut aduerbium suffixumque comparatiuum neutrum interposui, cum "facilius" dicere uellim
>Hi libri faciles sunt legendi
iam quaedam ciceronis sallustique opera legere conatus sum, atque cum uocabula grammaticaque facilia ad comprehendendum sint, appellationes tamen translatae ullo sensu carent

>>211689907
>tfw you will never go hanabi viewing at the summer festival and see your middle school crush in her yukata, then give her a piggy back home because the strap on her geta's broke.
Why even live :(

>>211693567
Profecto, latine loqueries valde melior mihi, ergo sincere non puto ut adivuare te possim. In urbe ubi tu habitas, estne globus hominum qui latine loquuntur?

Ego volo linguam latinam uti cum aliis hominibus sed ubi habito nemo latine discit.

>>211692878
Talk to friends, watch videos, listen to music, do flashcards, etc. I don't use any goy textbook/course/class. You just input and output everyday and use a dictionary when you get stuck.

I'm basically native in Japanese so I don't need to learn anything about hanzi besides memorizing 1 more pronunciation and some different shapes. If you're wh*Te then yeah you will have to tackle that beast from square 1. That's the reason why I'll never try to learn a European language, the different cases and genders scare me.

>>211678020
Heritage speaker.

learn Russian

>>211694034
dont listen to this fool
learn German

>>211693800
Yes. The only thing you can have is the equivalent of those memories in your culture like your first beer, a band in your friend's parents' garage etc. but in Western culture there is also more room for that kind of thing when you are older, whereas the work culture in Japan and the cultural and language barrier is so big that you will probably end up in your expat bubble anyway. Even at work in your own culture it is easier to make friends and acquaintances because you share at least some of the common experiences and tastes shaped by the system you were raised in. And even though I experienced some anime-like things during my school life, I regret that I wasn't a weeb back then

>>211655592 (OP)
The brown women part is reasonable

>>211694300
just get more input

>>211693894
>estne globus hominum qui latine loquuntur?
nullatenus, sed nemo iudicaturus sum quandoquidem uix equidem hispanice loqui possum, semper uerba latina uel anglica uel franca utor inuoluntariter

si sicut romani loqui uis, terentium plautumque lege, quoniam uulgi dictionem in operis eorum depingere conabantur

>>211695451
>uerba...
uerbis*

>operis
operibus*

sphalmata huc non agenda...

>white man complains about no pussy

lol. You can learn literally any southeast asian/south asian/brown asian language and just show up to these countries and get infinte pussy for life

>>211695451
Capio, triste est non habere aliquem cum quo loqui, sed vero est lingua latina non est utilis nunc. Sed quamquam nemo eam utitur mihi valde placet de ea discere.

Voy a escribir esto en español porque no sé como sería en laín. Estoy en grupo de discord en el que la gente habla o al menos escribe en latín por lo que al menos por ahí puedo interactuar con gente.

>>nullatenus, sed nemo iudicaturus sum quandoquidem uix equidem hispanice loqui possum

esto no lo comprendo del todo, pero creo que es "de ninguna manera, pero nadie soy para juzgar? (no comprendo bien el iudicaturus) ya que dificilmente por mi parte puedo hablar español

También me he dad cuenta de que no usas la v sino la u. Lo cual me confundió un poco al leer de primeras jaja, ¿no crees que sería mejor usar la v?

>>211695811
Which of them have the biggest tits?

>>211696640
they're all asian so that's just not a reasonable ask

>>211696837
some filipinas are fucking stacked

>>211696073
>esto no lo comprendo del todo, pero creo que es "de ninguna manera, pero nadie soy para juzgar? (no comprendo bien el iudicaturus) ya que dificilmente por mi parte puedo hablar español
si, de lo que he leído, el participio de futuro activo se puede traducir como "para" en ese sentido

>También me he dad cuenta de que no usas la v sino la u.
ahora mismo no encuentro ningún documento que sustituya la v por la u, pero así se pronunciaba en latín clásico y escrito tiene mucha SOVL. también hay libros antiguos en español que utilizan la u en vez de la v

If you could know three of these foreign languages, which would you choose (you cannot choose your native language):
>German
>French
>Japanese
>Spanish
>Portuguese
>Russian
>Chinese
>Italian
>Dutch
>Finnish
>Arabic

>>211697550
En los libros que yo tengo si se usa la v, los de familia romana etc, De bello gallico , Historia Apollonii regis Tyri etc.

te recomiendo la editorial Rhemata, o en amazon busca la editorial hopkins, ahí los libros están en latín e inglés

La verdad es que yo prefiero usar la v, pero bueno, cada uno tiene su manera de hacerlo. Tú que prefieres, ¿ la pronunciación clásica o eclesiástica?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thYV_UvX9Ws

Kind of crazy how much german is spoken Menorca apparently

>>211698495
German, Spanish, Japanese

>>211698622
Nordic

>>211698495
>German
>French
>Japanese
>Spanish
>Portuguese
>Russian
>Chinese
>Italian
>Dutch
>Finnish
>Arabic

lets remove the ones i probably wouldn't bother with because I think it sounds ugly or has no speakers or w/e

>German
>French
>Japanese
>Spanish
>Russian
>Chinese
>Italian
>Arabic

would be pretty hard to pick 3 between these. could be random honestly.

>>211698495
French, Japanese and Russian

>>211698713
Stop..

>>211698495
German French Japanese
You make it too easy

>>211698495
German, Italian, Japanese

>>211698501
>Tú que prefieres, ¿ la pronunciación clásica o eclesiástica?
realmente no es posible pronunciar al 100% como se pronunciaba en la época clásica, pero de lo que podemos inferir, habría menos homófonos, y suena algo más solemne

>>211698495
forgot to add Polish. you can still change your mind
>>211698803
>You make it too easy
idk anon, why French over Italian or Spanish?Why Japanese over Chinese?

>>211699046
sin duda, además lo diferencia del italiano y le da una personalidad distinta

>>211698495
Chinese Arabic Japanese VGHHHH

>>211699328
>Why Japanese over Chinese?
Because I'm a weeb

>>211699720
Me too, but I'm fighting it

>>211699328
>why French over Italian or Spanish?
Spanish could be argued to be useful too, but generally speaking French has the best literature, a huge amount of speakers and has historically been very important.
>Why Japanese over Chinese
This site is full of weebs and Japan produces a lot more media in general.

>>211698495
You forgot to add English
Japanese, Chinese, English.

>>211700113
Everyone know or should know English already

Does the /lang/ discord exist anymore?

>>211663433
what?

>>211701317
yes

>>211702209
link?

>>211689997
Speaking like a Mexican might be your safest bet in that case. Everyone will understand you fine. Other countries' accents won't be understood as easily (this is especially true for southern cone Spanish)

>>211702307
Cause I opened discord for the first time in years, and I'm on a server called Language Learning with Sven, Baykus, Bifrons etc., but it seems to be dead, and the old invite to /lang/ that's posted there is dead.

>>211699546
this

Not joining trooncord

>>211702794
Hardcore

reminder not to go too fast, you don't want to crash your language learning

>>211702558
see offtopic in that server

>>211702375
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

>>211706275
>bumped the thread from page 10 with his irrelevent and unnecessary response

>>211698622
Why German over French? Why French over Spanish?

>>211694751
you're not a real chud

>>211703090
don't worry, I've been studying mandarin for 15 years and I'm still not fluent

>>211706435
Stfu
>>211706718
>Why German over French?
German is more useful to me and I don't like french and France.
>Why French over Spanish?
I didn't choose french over spanish

Reading Zeit zu Leben, Zeit zu Sterben from Remarque and it's funny how often they use pig to mean luck which I knew was slang, but I never hear it in modern speech really. Books set in WWII for reference.

Also crazy how many printing errors my copy has. My copy of all Nichts Neues im Westen from the same publisher didn't have the same problem. Always amazing that errors like that get through. Like did no one read it beforehand. Stuff like ab instead of als, wrong capitalization, and missing periods.

Why does Italian go "the my?"
Did Latin?

>>211698495
Russian
Italian
Arabic

>>211709631
>Why does Italian go "the my?"
idk, I know some other romance languages do too, like Catalan.
>Did Latin?
no. Latin didn't have articles, you'd just say meus. Ancient Greek did have a definite article though, and coincidentally uses the same "the my" construction Italian does.

Bros... do they REALLY?

>>211712215
lel

I used Française par la méthode nature and there is a chapter where the girl gets a doll for her birthday and I remember also being like wtf.

All you normalfags with lives go out on Friday night while the thread languishes on page 10. It's like you guys don't even care

>>211713998
We've all been too busy laying pipe due to our extremely based polyglot charisma. The panties drop and the thread dies.

8 days until hsk 6 exam, 85% in my last mock, feeling confident
I won't be able to post after I leave for Xinjiang, but you will hear from me when I'm back
considering starting anki for Uyghur as well, but I feel like getting audio would be a massive pain

>>211715030
Good luck. I heard that there's a writing portion in the test so I've given up all hope of passing it.

>>211715155
You can do it on a computer
It's not that hard

>>211715030
Actually I've set my VPN up on my phone properly now so I can post from XJ

>>211715207
What do you mean? I was talking about handwriting.

>>211715258
You can do a computer-based test (网考) where you can just type the writing section. You don't have to take a handwritten test. In fact I'm doing a computer based test simply because it's easier.
Also you don't have to use flowery language and complex words in the writing section, the most important part is just 复述 the text

>>211715293
I see. My friend just took the HSK 3 in Japan and apparently he was required to handwrite some hanzi. I guess that doesn't apply to every test.

>>211713998
>me playing pokemon in German last night

Bump

>>211709631
Some languages with articles do this and some don't. Possessive adjectives predate the existence of articles in IE languages so some IE languages that have articles today evolved them in such a way that possessive adjectives basically became a type of article alongside the other words that became articles while others kept them as adjectives. In French and Spanish, "mine", "yours" and so on are still strictly adjectives that need an article if used as a noun phrase which you wouldn't do in English. I mean in English you would never say "the yours is good" but you would basically say this in every Romance langauge afaik.

>>211715316
depends on the version you choose. you can choose handwritten or computer based

>download some deck in anki
>already has tons of words I know
>can't choose the order in which which cards are part of my review
>have to either brute force learning a bunch of new words just so I can review words I know or spend a good chunk just burying cards every day
>and no I won't suspend the cards because my suspend list is already for something different
why can't these things just have features like they were intended to be used by human beings?

do not learn russian

>>211720496
I won't

>>211720496
learn Spanish

>>211721944
spanish is just a degeneration of italian

>>211721976
*improvement

>>211721976
facts. spanish is just italian with brain damage and brown skin.

yep, it's immersing time.
it's hard work but somebody's gotta do it.

do learn russian though

it's time to put in some real work

>>211659469
you should try not losing every war in recorded history next time then

not even russians want to speak their language

in fact, germlings should be thankful that they're even allowed to exist at this point
the european man's greatest weakness has always been being too good to subhuman trash instead of cleansing it from the world

>>211723565
yeah i guess it's the 2nd most common language on the internet by divine intervention then

don't learn fr*nch

if you arent learning german then you're retarded

>>211723833
Give me a reason to learn it

Stop replying to italians

if you are learning german then you're brown

>>211698495
German because muh heritage (mum was German but never taught me a word)
Chinese because it's useful for business in Australia (lmao)
Arabic because Iove Lawrence of Arabia type shit and I want to be the classic Anglo-Saxon man exploring the cradle of civilization and exotic places

>>211655592 (OP)
>brown women
i unironically fell in love with a cute tunisian girl at school once, like pic related,
it was over from the start

seriously though learning russian will be the biggest mistake of your life

>>211724813
>i unironically fell in love
yeah, it was over the day you were born a vaginal gynophile bitch
for a moorish invader if that werent enough

>>211724864
you're just too brown for the white man's language, its ok

>>211721976
And yet it has almost 10x the number of speakers. Explain that
>protip: you can't
>>211719032
I think you can set it to put reviews ahead of new words, but imo you should just be making your own deck as you go along with new words you encounter anyway and you will find it much more rewarding

>>211724873
nigga you are projecting,
100% you are an african sand nigger

>>211724562
Meiner Erfahrung nach muss ich dir Recht geben, aber das gilt natürlich nicht für mich, denn ich bin von purer bayerischen Abstammung.


>>211724873
> gynophile
lmao

Schwuler geht's nicht.

>>211724953
spaniards had to go to the other side of the world because they were constantly getting buck broken by their italian betters in the mediterranean
italians, being the main characters of the world since the dawn of time, never had such a need
>>211724961
brown
>>211724965
sorry i dont speak brown

seriously if you aren't learning ancient Greek can you even be considered human and worthy of the mantle of human rights? really makes you think

rangeban italy

Petitalian started to chudding again

>seriously if you aren't learning ancient Greek can you even be considered human and worthy of the mantle of human rights? really makes you think
sorry, disregard that, i meant russian
im trans btw

>>211725005
i'm not insecure about my race unlike you mohamed, i like brown women and you're jealous i can fuck'em, learn english or better yet learn italian so you can actually larp as a white italian instead of calling out everyone as brown

virtually behead those who insult Italians and their wisdom

I need my french to be so on point that I can get the most snooty parisians to accept me

>>211725129
brown

russian is for putin loving retards

>russian is for white men fighting against the satanist forces of globohomo
yeah u really got us there brownshit

ITT you have everything you need to know about russian and germoid learners
russian learners are for the white race, against the cult of the holy vagina, for god and everything that's good and holy
germoid learners are for brown subhumans, for gynocentrism, for racemixing with shitskins and for satan
you know where to stand

moscow has the second largest muslim population in europe after paris

now do berlin

>>211723550
I can't get into it. It is not as good as used to be back in 2012. I am considering "purchasing" the old Rosetta Stone.

>>211725262
>germoid learners are for brown subhumans
lemme guess, learning swedish is for niggers?

>>211725324
duh, lmao, are you pretending to be retarded?
100% of swedish learners are a flavor of shitskin trying to live off the gibs from swedish cucks

>>211725342
nigga not every single immigrant is brown,
you should know if you were actually born in italy, i myself wish to emigrate in turk germany for a better salary since im getting cucked in here with rent, anyway i don't think shitskins bother learning swede or suomi

>>211725462
>nigga not every single immigrant is brown,
the number of non brown immigrants is risible
>you should know if you were actually born in italy
italian expats are niggers with white skin and should be deprived of their citizenship as soon as they cross the border

yeah anyways, learn russian

>>211725511
>italian expats are niggers with white skin
enjoy getting fucked by boomers with taxes and wagecucking for a pension at 74
>citizenship revoked if you move in the eu
lol it's in your rights to move anywhere in the eu italiancuck

>>211725590
Re

>>211725126
>im trans btw

that explains a lot

>>211725600
>enjoy getting fucked by boomers with taxes and wagecucking for a pension at 74
i will, thank you
a man who doesnt contribute to the national cause is no man at all
>lol it's in your rights to move anywhere in the eu italiancuck
it was a hypothetical, meaning that it shouldnt be. but i know these things are hard to grasp for brown brains.

ohhh so it was a different italian and not the italian chud who started posting against learning russian

>>211725747
all me btw

>>211725759
Yes

>>211724953
>set it to put reviews ahead of new words
That would be good I'd like to know how to do that.
Although that wasn't really the specific problem I mentioned as the deck I'm using has like 8000 words but I already know like 1000 of them. imo adding 8000 words on your own seems like a waste of time not to mention if I see a word I have no idea whether I added it or not already (whether I know it or not.)

>>211725641
>a man who doesnt contribute to the national cause is no man at all
Why should you support people or a country that doesn't support you? You won't receive the same benefits as your grandfather did from society: a loyal, virgin wife, a salary that can support a family, and the ability to buy a house near your workplace. The social contract has been severed. Fuck boomers and their economy.

Also unbelievable that pimsleur has albanian but not georgian

>>211725300
It used to be so much better. I might never have learned German without it as completing the tree was my intro before I jumped into immersion learning.

>>211725880
>Why should you support people or a country that doesn't support you?
because it does.
>You won't receive the same benefits as your grandfather did
nigga u cant be serious
your grandfather had to slave for communist animals and barely got enough to survive in exchange for that
u just parrot american brainrot

>>211725641
making sure boomers die peacefully with their pockets full while young men are supposed to wagecuck well into old age it's not for the national cause.
our country has failed us wake up

>>211726051
reddit tier parroted brainrot
even if that were true, which it isnt, boomers are not immortal you know

>>211726039
You know nothing about my grandfather. I know what I'm talking about, I won't be a cuck to boomers like you, hope you enjoy your slaving for their pensions lol

>>211726151
i know enough to know that you're delusional if you think the reddit tier american brainrot applies to a pole in the year 1970

>>211726082
>even if that were true, which it isnt
ask your grandpa at what age was eligible for pension since you're a gen alpha who doesn't know about baby pensions, you're doing mental gymnastics to avoid believing that our country fucked a entire generation

>>211726188
baby pensions were so much time ago that almost none of them are alive today lmao. it's time to move on.

>>211726221
>almost none of them are alive today
ok, now i got the ragebait

and they didnt fuck anybody because at the time baby pensions were sustainable, given that each italian family was still shitting out 10 children
you just parrot retarded redditor brainrot without even stopping to think if its true or bullshit

>>211726221
Fuck.

>>211726182
Just keep working harder, you'll get your roastie wife and an apartment when you're 40, bucko.

>>211726320
i got my apartment when i was 22, though.
and guess what, the state guaranteed the entire cost of the mortgage. so much for MUH BOOMERS FUCKING US ALL IN THE ASS fantasies!

>>211726337
Good for you, but I didn't and I won't so I have no incentive to get a good goy like you. No virgin wife for you btw. You'll get a roastie that sucked 50 cocks before you came along lmao

>>211726451
>Good for you, but I didn't
every italian under the age of 30 is eligible to this day. hence why the reddit tier whining is completely stupid.
>and I won't so I have no incentive to get a good goy like you.
im sure there are incentives for young people in Poland too, you just pretend not to see them like this other italian redditfag
>You'll get a roastie that sucked 50 cocks before you came along lmao
thats wishful thinking

>>211725793
>imo adding 8000 words on your own seems like a waste of time
Use a chrome extension
>if I see a word I have no idea whether I added it or not already (whether I know it or not.)
So have multiple cards for the same word here and there, that shouldn't be a problem.

what kind of promt should I use on LLMs so they correct my writings in TL? They always forget to do it whenever I ask questions, so annoying

>>211726506
There's no incentive here. My parents got an apartment from my father's mother when he was 21 and they won't give me that apartment, most of my friends are in the same predicament.

>>211726577
family problem, not country problem

>>211726600
It's a society program, most people I know experience the same thing.

>>211726538
is this your family?

>>211726617
Problem*

>>211725300
>>211726026
The forums were a goldmine of explanations from natives. I still can't believe that they just deleted everything. Nowadays I just do one "lesson" a day to keep the streak going and study elsewhere

bump

>>211726679
Me too. Idk why I even bother. I just do some easy review lesson in 1-2mins and close the app. I'm not even advancing on the path anymore kek

>>211728527
what happens on the Russian side of the internet

>>211730587
mostly putin dick sucking

>>211655592 (OP)
Ngl I used to learn English and Russian from OnlyFans bitches, Chaturbate cam sluts. It took 10 dollars per min but desu these experiences were awesome.

Sometimes we talked without any sexual behaviors. But I still paid the money with the metric

>>211731575
tell me more

>>211725300
¿Dónde está el baño?

I became lazy and I was supposed to learn three languages at once. I'm ngmi

>>211671670
>>211671670
>Anything below C is worthless
sounds sort of retarded honestly. i'd love to be B level in a foreign language

>>211737802
many such cases

>>211737802
learning multiple languages at once is straight up retarded and is guaranteed failure. inb4 some faggot replies lying about how he's flawlessly learning 10 at once to get a dopamine hit from fantasizing about shit he isn't doing.

>>211728527
% of top 10m websites? you go onto like 10 websites regularly at best. who fucking cares?

>>211737802
You really need to start with one, then after 1-2 years you can think about picking up the next one. You're only ready to move on when you can just maintain the first by casual reading.
Even then, it's a bitch to make time for both reading the first and studying + input for the second on top of other responsibilities.

>>211715030
日後我和你跳舞載太陽光。我會的我比乾隆皇帝說中國話。等我吧。

Doing anki sometimes feels like brain surgery or like it's rewiring my brain. I'll be crushing reviews then suddenly remember some random shit I did in like 4th grade that I haven't thought about in forever. It's like trying to store all these new words and symbols in my brain is unlocking dormant memories. I've also noticed I dream more often and the dreams are more vivid than usual. I know it sounds sorta schizo but I swear it's true.

anybody who actually uses anki is 100% a midwit idiot who doesn't undestand that you learn things literally and in context.

>>211659578
It's always about food or sex

>>211738745
100% true. All of a sudden I vividly remembered in 2nd grade having an ESL Chinese classmate and watching her write.

Latin study resurfaced much of my high school French even without cognates and all of a sudden I could read stuff again that I couldn’t before. But this is more just general language learning than Anki/SRS.

>>211659578
>>211739098
>>211738745
Actually Latin study and even Chinese randomly made my dormant Spanish input from growing up around spics revive and suddenly I found I could generally comprehend some conversations/vocab that were not cognate with my limited French or Latin knowledge.

Sometimes I end up pronouncing the ざ、ず、ぜ、ぞ as tsu

Which language has the greatest synergy with learning English from level B to C? French, German, Japanese? How to master English? I was thinking about reading while listening to an audiobook and speaking at the same time
>>211738281
>>211738442
I know, but I can't decide. I should also master my poor English, but I don't feel like it.

>>211740496
Definitely French, but really no language has great synergy with English IMO. If you’re taking about advanced study for high literacy (i.e. expanding your literary vocabulary) then I would say the spelling/phonetic shifts in French renders the immediate carryover into English inferior to Latin.

But overall you’d probably get the most value out of just studying Romance-rooted words *within English* in a dedicated fashion rather than trying to take on an entire new language with substantially different grammar.

IMO the best way to get advanced English is just to read advanced English. In my opinion, linguistic carryover helps the most for intermediate level carryover, since basic stuff is somewhat unintelligible (if it weren’t they wouldn’t be different languages); and advanced stuff can be peculiar to the language in question. For example Latin Tenebris vs. English Tenebrous may hint to the meaning really well, but the usage is totally different since the Latin is a noun and the English is an adjective.

Still though, probably just written Latin, with a focus less on grammar and more of a focus on tackling intermediate texts that prove highly influential on English to just learn as much vocab as possible (so basically the Vulgate).

>>211737802
just focus on learning one language three times harder

duolingo not providing support for belarusian despite having russian and constantly shilling their ukrainian course is belarusian genocide and i must attack a department store to stop this

Probably going to Japan for a few weeks. I have almost exactly 6 months. I’ve had plenty of exposure through media, and I spent a month there before and learned a little while I was there.

I’m like A1 in Chinese right now, so I’m thinking I should totally ignore formal study of Kanji and just learn the readings through input since I’ve already learned a lot of Chinese characters. I’m probably just gonna mix an input/conversation heavy vocab resource (maybe assimil) while making Anki cards for phrases so I can just learn as much internalized usable vocab as quick as possible. If I can rush through Assimil A1 in a little over a few months I guess I can just inputmaxx more after that. I’m just trying to come up with a study method that gives as much practically useful Japanese ASAP while still building that comprehension base so I can have some conversational ability when I’m out there. I’m optimistic, Japanese people are the most open to speaking their language with foreigners of anyone I’ve ever met, last time I was there people were incredibly patient and I had whole conversations understanding maybe 250 words and being able to speak 50 comfortably.

Any advice? Anyone done anything similar? (I.E. rushing comprehension in a language for travel in a way that’s not too intense so as to not hurt other languages or work.) I’m in grad school and already putting an hour a day minimum into Chinese.

Does anyone know how to set up anki with global keys or something so you can do cards in the background while using other applications?

I want to do audio cards while working and gaming

ive been watching seinfeld in french with english subtitles and its helping my fluency. a week and a half ago i spoke to a quebecois and couldnt speak well, and lately ive been talking to some people around me who also speak french. besides these two things theres nothing else for me. my french is improving. you mfers are getting lied to.

>>211744020
western european languages are baby tier. you basically almost know half of the vocabulary before you start

>>211744257
this
real men learn slavic languages. anything western than Slovenia doesn't count as real language learning.

just dont learn russian

real men learn Japanese

>>211746755
Yeah, real lonely men.

https://voca.ro/1kisZU3onKVs
It's German.

^ its ruzzoid

>>211748414
Nichts für ungut, aber ich konnte dich nur begrenzt nachvollziehen. Du lallest zu viel und aufgrund dessen habe ich mich damit schwergetan, deine Worte voneinander zu unterscheiden, was auch der Fall bei deinen englischen Aufnahmen war. Würde dir empfehlen, erst zu lernen, wie man Worte deutlich ausspricht, ehe du dich überhaupt mit Fremdsprachen beschäftigest.

>>211748520
You're simply trolling at that point. It's NOT funny.

I have ZERO troubles with speech-to-text tools. I've had ZERO troubles talking to English speakers. The ONLY person who has ever told me I mumble was a churka nigger speaking Russian. Stop fucking baiting me retards.

I will NEVER EVER ask anything from you again.

Anyway I quit language learning, I'll finish learning High German quite soon, and maybe I'll try Mandarin when retired.

>>211748731
Best of luck Ilya

>>211746755
Literally 2hard4me. I would give it a shot, but I feel like Japan will be ruined by jeets by the time I get good enough to visit.