>>211692743Sure. They have to be. But you said they never achieved anything. Most great achievemnts of mankind were done by government.
'For of men it may generally be affirmed, that they are thankless, fickle, false studious to avoid danger, greedy of gain, devoted to you while you are able to confer benefits upon them, and ready, as I said before, while danger is distant, to shed their blood, and sacrifice their property, their lives, and their children for you; but in the hour of need they turn against you'.
'A man who wishes to act entirely up to his professions of virtue soon meets with what destroys him among so much that is evil'.