Thread 211790697

Three Roman legions (Legio XVII, XVIII, XIX), along with six cohorts of auxiliaries and three squadrons of cavalry (around 15,000-20,000 men), under the command of Publius Quinctilius Varus, were ambushed and annihilated by a coalition of Germanic tribes led by Arminius. While their exact numbers are debated by historians, the common consensus is that the Romans likely had a numerical advantage.

The total destruction of three professionally trained legions by mere tribal warriors was a catastrophe, forcing Rome to abandon its ambitions of conquering Germania east of the Rhine and permanently setting its imperial boundary there. Emperor Augustus was said to have cried out, "Quintilius Varus, give me back my legions!" for years afterward.

dont let OP know about Germanicus !

>>211790697 (OP)
VARVS GIVE ME BACK MY LEGIONI

>>211790697 (OP)
based

>>211790720
>guy that fucked around with some tribes afterwards
>still couldn't defeat the Germans
>Romaboos uses him as a coping mechanism to point at and say "look, we won!" even though Germanics eventually overran the entire empire and sacked Rome itself several times
jej

>>211790697 (OP)
and arminius died like the treacherous swine that he was. he should have remained a roman if he truly wanted glory.

>>211790957
yes, the great tragedy... germanics are just white nigs

>>211790697 (OP)
melanated behavior

>>211791039
He gained eternal glory by being one of the few men to frustrate Roman expansion during their peak with a force of illiterate barbarians who weren't professional soldiers and had very little understanding of the business of war outside of tribal skirmishes. Some historians even say that Rome having given up on conquering Germania fully was partially due to the mental scarring caused at the Teutoburg, which no later devastation was able to wash out.

>>211790697 (OP)
>>211790854
>Approximately 40 years after Varus' death, a general under Claudius, Pomponius Secundus, raided Germania and by chance rescued a few POWs from Varus' army. Claudius welcomed them home after their long captivity, their stories arousing much pity.

The Romans were the like the Nazi Germans
The ancient Germans were the Soviets

A civilised force losing against an uncivilised force

>>211790697 (OP)
Dear Anons if i wanna start Roman history from around the overthrow of the monarchy to 476 what author/series should i start with? I would love it if they could be a bit like Christopher Clark where they don't shy away from sass and fun in their writing but i don't mind dry stuff as long as it's not feminist bullshit like Mary Beard.

>Inb4 go to /lit/, no.

>>211791039
>>211791057
>you should serve the people who took you hostage and assist in expanding their territory into your own ancestral lands because... YOU JUST SHOULD OK?
there's something interesting and disturbing about the descendants of the conquered peoples of Rome larping like this

>>211790697 (OP)
>Another post about defeating Romans and I'll finally be a roman

>Arminius had received Roman citizenship and a Roman military education, thus allowing him to deceive the Romans methodically and anticipate their tactical responses.

Surely that's just treason.

>>211791199
>>211791287
>Born a prince of the Cherusci tribe, Arminius was part of the Roman-friendly faction of the tribe. He learned Latin and served in the Roman military, which gained him Roman citizenship, and the rank of eques.

Hardly some kidnapped slave

>>211791319
I didn't say he was a slave, I said he was a hostage - which is exactly why he was taken, the Romans needed guarantees from the nobles of tribes undergoing 'alliance' with them. Giving him a military education was a function of expanding their empire further into Germanic territory.

>>211791265
No one here wants to be Roman Luigi, we dabbed on them and are proud of it

>>211791057
>>211791068
>>211791135
>t. seething defeated tribes

>>211791424
You forgot to tag the sh*talian, they were only given Roman status a century before the Gauls

>>211790697 (OP)
The only reason Germanic tribes ever won against Rome was due to people like Armenius, who get educated in Rome btw, betraying them.

>>211790697 (OP)
Teutoburg massacre best day of my life

>>211791424
>>211790854
My ancestors :)

>>211791057
WOW you must really be white if you venerate the romans, saar

>>211791505
those borders are extremely impressive doe. no empire before or after ever achieved this.

>>211791534
Lol pajeet

>>211790957
Fucked around with some tribes? He ravaged Germany for years

Also they didn't overrun the empire (even though the empire at the time was a shadow of its former self), they asked the Romans to be resettled in the empire because they were getting destroyed and displaced by the Huns, the Romans granted that and after they were in Italy they chimped out, barbarians gonna barbarian

>>211791733
You shouldnt have skipped class when they went through histpty during your integration program, saaaaaar

>>211791068
from the romans, yeah

>>211791733
"asking" for free land while armed and threatening to invade the empire regardless is no worse than conquest. Even so, at this time Romesissies were completely dependent on Germanic tribes to protect them from other Germanics

>>211791733
/thread

>>211791733
>Also they didn't overrun the empire
nigga... italia was renamed Lombardy after the germanic tribe that conquered it

>>211792612
That was after the Roman Empire, Nigel

>>211790697 (OP)
>>211791424
>Germans when they lose a war fair and square
>WE WERE STABBED IN THE BACK
>Germans when they stab their enemy in the back
>WE WON WE WON WE WON

>>211792532
cope

>>211793127
What is that guy drinking

>>211790957
>nordcuck taking credit for continental Germanic achievements

>>211792935
based! fuck GERMany

>>211793127
I can't support barbarians over romans

>>211790854
me lying on the ground

>>211793712
Do you even know what Germanic means or what the origin is?

>>211793415
Roman tears

>>211792813
The Roman Empire that collapsed after a german warlord forcibly abdicated the last Emperor (Romulus)? That Roman Empire?

>>211794020
I know that anything north or Denmark shouldn't be considered human. disgusting oxygen thieves up that way, no cap

>>211792935
>kidnap your vassals children to use them as fifth columnists to help keep their homeland under your thumb (honourable behaviour)
>it goes (predictably) poorly
>WTF HELP IT'S NOT FAIR THEY TRICKED US

>>211794891
bragging about destroying something already on it's deathbed is a sad cope. They have a saying for that, "beating a dead horse". it's like all the browns and blacks acting like they're conquering the west when we're committing suicide. it's just sad and embarrassing. please do better or change your flag, thanks

>>211794962
By this retarded logic (considered Germanic invasions and control of the Roman military were a great deal of the reason for the decline of Rome) you should be worshipping Arminius for humiliating Rome at the height of their military superiority.

>>211794891
roman power had been seated in constantinople for over a century by that point. the western roman empire was not the roman empire

>>211790957
>>still couldn't defeat the German(ic)s
Whos gonna tell him

>>211795075
The Italian I responded to said "that (the Lombard invasion) was after the Roman Empire", and thus it's safe to say he meant Western and not Eastern Rome, hence the response.

>>211795002
>considered Germanic invasions and control of the Roman military were a great deal of the reason for the decline of Rome
love when historylets give their garbage uninformed opinions. Rome fell for many MANY reasons, implying it was almost solely because of Germans is a stretch mate.
also why would I worship arminius? I like the Roman empire as much as I like the British empire. They did achieved something admirable. idolising the literal niggers of Europe (germans/scandinavians) is for the lower rungs of "people" like you. fuck off to GERMany if you like them so much

>>211795226
You're a teenaged larper who hasn't aged out of idolising random empires because they're le epic

I don't have anything against Rome and I don't idolise Germans/Scandinavians, the fact is that the Germanic civilisation ended up conquering and humiliating the Latin one. Following the collapse of Western Rome, Latins wouldn't have independent native rulers for another thousand years (and even then the vast majority of the peninsula would be dominated by the descendants of Lombards and Normans).

>>211795299
>germanic
>civilisation
I was under the assumption I was talking to a double digit IQ mouth breather, this just proves it

>>211795179
Italians are germanics, too. Unironically.

>>211795356
Turn off the vpn varg

>>211795356
SAAAAAAAAR

>>211795413
stfu Roman dog before I cap your ass with my alabarda

>>211795413
Varg would say italians are niggers. We have not insignificant amount of germanic dna, and quite a few italian words are germanic in origin, brought by goths and langobards.

>>211795444
This.

The revenge expedition of Germanicus was mostly carried out by Gaulish auxiliaries. In fact, Gauls were seen as the highest quality and most reliable soldiers of the roman empire.

>>211795452
It’s very dependent upon the region, but significant Germanic admixture is really limited to the very northern parts. Even as far up North as Venice / Genoa, Germanic genetics are minimal. And if you wanna convince anyone Sicilians are Germanic, then uuuh …

>>211795501
so the Roman empire was just getting foreign retards to fight other foreign retards? kek

>>211795501
Most useful idiot award

>>211790697 (OP)
should've gone full caesar on those niggers

>>211795501
In the Commentaries, Caesar actually portrays Gauls as the weak and cucked versions of Germanics with the Belgae being the only strong ones

>>211795602
BASED

>>211795570
There's 4 periods of Rome
For 3 out of 4 periods Rome was the un not a nation
States fought each other all the time calling it minor civil wars or conflicts.
It wasn't a nation until the end and this caused it to just collapse

I hate talking about Rome and physics and both get mangled by peopley

>>211795521
Sicilians have thrice the northern european dna than tunisian dna yet you would only call them arabs.

Seriously Google Rome internal conflicts and minor civil wars
It wasn't a fucking empire except 1/4 it's existence
It was the UN

>>211795660
>I hate talking about Rome and physics and both get mangled by peopley
Pompey may have done a number on Republican politics but I'm not aware of his advances in the physics field

>>211795660
I don't respect the opinions of people who don't have a foreskin, away with yourself

>>211795704
Okay
>>211795706
Fuck you boring ass subhuman

>>211795501
it's interesting how the ONLY confirmed legionary found so far in the aDNA record in Germany looked like this

>>211795704
>pompey
you're just as retarded as him. holy fuck you have to be sco*ttish or something, there is no way you're an Anglo

>>211795179
The Lombards were in Italy for 2 centuries and they left nothing other than the name of one region, their legacy is entirely nominal, culturally/linguistically/architecturally/literature-wise they are non existent (as you'd expect from barbarians).
The Romans were in the northern of Europe for much longer and founded some of its biggest cities, the Romans were in Austria/Switzerland/Netherlands/western Germany for WAAAAY longer than the Germans ever ruled in Italy. And you can go around and still see the ruins of an actual civilization, german barbarians left nothing because they were illiterate barbarian streetshitters

>>211795750
You are really boring. Comically boring

>>211790697 (OP)
VGH... MY ANCESTORS...

>>211795765
post foreskin or keep your yap shut
shrimple as

>>211795452
Sizzi fatti curare, sei una patetica lolcow

>>211795697
But everyone still paid tribute?

>>211795779
This is really boring.

>>211795570
divide et impera

>>211795602
it's pretty funny and shocking how permanently the sack of Rome left scars in the psyche of the Roman population. Reading about Romans performing human sacrifice out of hysterical fear during the Cimbrian War before Marius fairly easily put a stop to the whole affair feels surreal. Apparently there was also a symbolic hoard of gold held in case of another situation which was only released after Caesar conquered all of Gaul.

>>211795787
"Sometimes"
More like how the un functions
Membership fees
External conflicts "we will probably help"
Internal conflicts "maybe"

>>211795829
Really shitty subscription service if you ask me

>>211795847
It is was really like the un most of it's existence
It wasn't "glory to Rome etc etc" they had the sayings but it was more like let's join this group for protection and voice in fees.
They'd turn on each other all the time or ignore pleas for help
There isn't a true analogy in today's world. The closest is that UN

>>211795912
But then they genuinely conquered everyone?

>>211795928
They didn't. Lol. I don't know why you think that. Only 1/4 their empire did they try that. For instance most of italy joined willingly. Lol
I'm sorry are you actually German you should know this

>>211795763
>The Lombards were in Italy for 2 centuries and they left nothing other than the name of one region, their legacy is entirely nominal, culturally/linguistically/architecturally/literature-wise they are non existent (as you'd expect from barbarians).
>t. retard

>>211795763
This.
it's amazing how people talk about how great germanics are at war, yet they've lost both real ones.
interesting

>>211795785
Sei un povero ignorante mongoloide

>>211796058
You so fucking boring.

>>211796025
But you’ve written

> It wasn't a fucking empire except 1/4 it's existence

I understood it as in they eventually succeeded in conquering everyone

always a treat when amerigolem scum come slithering out the woodwork to give their trash thoughts on a subject they know nothing about. what's amazing is that they actually took the time away from slurping pissraeli cum to come here and post
most interesting

>>211795452
Varg would say you were all pure blooded nordic aryans but turned brown overnight the moment you did something that Varg doesn't like(becoming Christian)

>>211796088
Nope.

>>211790957
>>211790720

He didnt rape Germania because Tiberius was envy

But he was killed by the family who created Jesus, the Calpurnius Piso

>>211795356
We are Greek malaka

>>211790697 (OP)
Without this battle the german and the english language likely wouldn't exist today

>>211790830
GIVE ME BACK
GIVE ME BACK
GIVE ME BACK ME LEGION

I HAVEN'T SEEN THE LADS SINCE THEY WENT OFF TO GERMAN REGION

>>211796073
This was built by Italians centuries after the Lombards had been defeated and forced from power, retard

>i care about things that happened literally thousands of years ago
ya'll are straight losers

>>211796693
>caring about your people's accomplishments is bad!
it's okay ranjeet. I understand being a disgusting brown freak! that your entire history is getting your bussy clapped by your superiors, so you obviously don't like talking about it

>>211796693
A rootless leafjeet for whom Mumbai and Toronto are similar places wouldn’t get it.

>>211796753
>>211796782
touched a nerve? enjoy making your fantasy maps and playing paradox interactive. german nigger has probably spent his entire morning posting here. so fucking pathetic.

>>211796917
No matter how much you cope and try to downplay historical events it's never gonna change the fact that your entire sub continent was conquered by a tiny Island on the other side of the world. Pathetic.

>>211797324
bahaha aint nobody talking to you and you replied to me? i definitely touched a nerve. literally no one cares about the past. the only thing that matters is the present and the future. holy kek you are a loser

>>211797414
It was on par with the original one, it didn't make a difference if I replied to this one or the other.
>literally no one cares about the past
Well of course you don't care because your people's past is attached to the modern identity known as indian so I can understand why you'd want zero affiliations with it. Don't worry, If I were Indian I'd be embarrassed about it too.

>>211796917
… or however the curry is spiced, Saar.

>>211791180
Listen to the History of Rome podcast. Should be on youtube among other places

>>211791180
Adrian Goldsworthy's channel on Youtube

>>211798418
I don't even think he's indian, but I do know that he's hiding behind a vpn.

best longobard architecture remains are in benevento

>>211791505
>claims to be the legitimate successor of Rome
>seethes at the actual successors in East Rome to the point of rewriting history to make them seem like some unrelated empire
>hurr durr wee iz zee reel romanz

>>211791135
>POWs for 40 years
What does this mean?
I doubt they kept them in cages for 40 years.
I'm assuming they were slaves, if so the Romans did the same thing at much greater scale, they had tons of German slaves.

>>211790697 (OP)
Trasimene was the most impressive victory against the Romans. Teutoburg is a fantastic story but some of them managed to escape and warn a nearby fort.

>>211800616
the guys decapitated head looks extremely Mediterranean. Funny how when they're glorifying Rome they always make them look nordic, but when they are denigrating Rome they make them look Mediterranean.
curious

>>211790697 (OP)
ave maria