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Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>List of trackers for most language‐learning packs:
https://files.catbox.moe/nmrn8x.txt
>Ukrainianon’s list of commercial courses from rutracker.org:
https://archive(dot)is/R2feT
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

FAQ:
>How do I learn a language? What is the best way to learn one? How should I improve on certain aspects?
Read the Wiki.
>Should I learn lang Y so I can learn lang X?
No.
>What is the most useful language?
Check the PLI:
https://www.kailchan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Kai-Chan_Power-Language-Index-full-report_2016_v2.pdf
>What language should I learn?
German, Spanish, French, Russian and Japanese (in that order)

Old: >>211749276

don't learn russian

Any cute russian girls that make youtube videos for input?

INPUT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcDbYU-NN90

today's a hard day for input

>>211881118
I unironically think we should have a list like that for different languages.

Pourquoi est-ce que les gens sur /int/ ne postent qu'en anglais hors des généraux?
C'est l'/int/ernational, on devrait écrire dans n'importe quelle langue.

Just roll
German: 1, 6
Spanish: 2, 7
French: 3, 8
Japanese: 4, 9
Portuguese: 5, 0
Python: dubbs
Italian: triplets
If you rolled your native language learn Polish

>/lang/ finally back in the subject line
>thread dies immediately

I just watched a lot of East German videos and it seems I have to properly learn Alemannic in the end, but it also seems that a lot of Swiss people have the standard non-rhotic accent too so I guess I can keep it for Alemannic as well so it will be like 0.25 languages learnt.
I've also finally switched to the British spelling, because it just looks much more appealing and smooth for me. I still somewhat dabble with the pronunciation because of that but it's not a big concern for me anymore.
>>211883156
That's because I quit language learning so I don't post here anymore.

I just watched a lot of Easy German videos and it seems I have to properly learn Alemannic in the end, but it also seems that a lot of Swiss people have the standard non-rhotic accent too so I guess I can keep it for Alemannic as well so it will be like 0.25 languages learnt.
I've also finally switched to the British spelling, because it just looks much more appealing and smooth for me. I still somewhat dabble with the pronunciation because of that but it's not a big concern for me anymore.
>>211883156
That's because I quit language learning so I don't post here anymore.

I just wrote that post about dabbling and Alemannic, and the thought occured to me that American English isn't even really practical for me at this point, because even though moving to America from Germany will be a legit option, it still will be a considerably worse option compared to moving to Switzerland.

I still don't like the Russian language though, even despite it's not the diabolic hatred I used to have for it before. Maybe I'll even visit this country back some day, and maybe even stay there for a while. Not sure though, I still consider it to be a shithole and Russians a cattle subhuman cannibalistic troglodyte Asiatic terrorist nation, but apparently the living conditions aren't as bad here as I thought they are.

Wheres Jordanon?

I'm back and here to learn some nihongo (I think. I don't know if I'll commit yet because it seems daunting)

>>211884574
Took his meds

>>211884852
kinda miss him ngl. As annoying as he was he kept this shit bumped at least

I am still a 24 year old virgin schizoid doomer. I am no longer a wagie.

After a 35 hour long journey, I made it to Thailand. Unfortunately I've been spending much of the past 4 days room rotting and recuperating from extreme jet lag as my original time zone is 12 hours apart which is supposedly as bad as it gets. I also need to learn some more of their language as it feels awkward and cringe to rely on google translate for everything. I booked my current hostel bed for the next week for a mere 30 dollars or so and I hope to be fully recoverd in that time as well as settled in, and will skedaddle to a Muay Thai gym of my choosing and train like a monk. The britfag here who'd tell me that I can't be a gangster thug will no longer be able to tel me that to my face.

Some may recall that part of my lore had me learning Russian a while ago before I stopped due to work. I hoped to join the mob. Well at the airport, I flirted with a Russian milf and my awkward stock phrases that I threw in there led her to giving me 3 pieces of Thai candy over the course of a lengthy conversation. Pretty based.

>Maybe consider getting a gf who is a native in your target language. Just talk to her, bro. Don't be afraid of making mistakes, mispronouncing words, or sounding foolish. Native speakers are often flattered by your attempts to communicate with them and may even offer some help.
where can I find qt native speakers

>>211880921 (OP)
Bump

>>211888714
cringe

https://youtu.be/bQq8I1xiqdA?feature=shared&t=9

INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT INPOOT

https://youtu.be/aX7sc0gXJwc?feature=shared
I understood shit

>>211889758
>>211890151
>>211890191
based

>>211878012
>How do I get over the fear of trying to practice my Spanish with people? I have friends at work who know I am trying to learn Spanish and I will sometimes see them but I never want to stop them and chit chat a little. I worry about interrupting people from what they were doing. A friend explained to me that most people will actually tell you if they are busy so I should just leave it up to the person to tell me if they don't have time. If they don't have time and still choose to chit chat with me a bit, then thats on them. Its just hard for me to take that advice because I naturally don't want to bother people with my inane spanish yammering or whatever.

you should know the difference between:
1. social situations at work
2. work situations at work

in #1, 99% of the time, people will not mind talking to you with Spanish, as long as you use your basic social skills (hopefully you have them) to tell when somebody is in a rush and can (or can't) talk with you in Spanish.

for example, talk with people you know who are friendly at times where you won't inconvenience them, like lunch time.

In #2 though, unless you have a decent level of skill, if you insist on using your TL in cases where it makes work less efficient, then you will probably annoy people.

for me, I try to be very careful using my TL in case #2. because we have a common language we can use (English) that works better than my TL.

I want to learn Guarani or Quechua

>>211891881
do it

>>211892753
There's not a lot of resources in english, unfortunately.

where there's a will there's a way

seriously don't learn russian

>>211894568
Elaborate.

>>211894568
Expound upon that

>>211881106
I am currently not learning Russian.

>>211894568
I'm convinced. Thanks boss.

фaк ю aй yил лэpн paшaн

кaятe лa бoкa мapикoн

>>211894568
The only universally useful slavic language

Are there any French textbooks with IPA? I can’t imagine any other way to get the proper pronunciation with a textbook alone without consulting dictionaries or audio.

>>211896824
Le français par la méthode nature has IPA under every line.

i will move to russia eventually but i will not learn russian

I changed my mind learn Russian very important you do so within the next 5 years

>>211900614
Why?

>>211901692
hes a pajeet with a proxy

>>211894568
I'm learning it

>>211882297
rollin

https://youtu.be/uPacj1w-yX4
inputbros...

>>211904601
Skill issue
Of course you're not going to be able to speak in your TL if you don't practice speaking regularly even after watching 5k hours of content

>>211904601

>>211904902
Exactly, you gotta schizomaxx and talk to yourself in your TL.

language learning sux

Jour deux of learning French
Still no french gf

how are you gonna learn a language effectively if you don't genuinely enjoy the process? do the work.

>>211893928
Don't be a defeatist. Google translate has both. You can translate any resource from Spanish to English or any book you want to read into Quechua/Guaraní from another language. You can ankigoon vocab. You can find native speakers online and practise with them. You can watch youtube.

im starting a petition to erase russian from the planet

>>211895865
бaceд

>>211908812
hard work is all you need. enjoying the process is reddit.

>>211905296
unironically solid advice

>>211911299
I will die, brother.

>>211897397
Can you show me some photos, please?

Is /t̪ʙ̥/ an acceptable allophone of /tr/?

>>211911477
brother what do you need a photo for? he already explained it to you. download it if you're interested

Fuck it, French is hard af

>>211911826
MEC, JAMAIS PERDU, CONTINUE

¿Dónde está el baño?

Should I try learning German?

>>211911692
I just wanted to see the layout. Thanks.

>>211881106
Too late.

>>211915759
>duolingo
Phew, thank God you never learned Russian

>>211878012
I never initiate conversation with anyone, the only time I talk about anything not work related is when the women I work with come up to me to try to chat. This should work for you also, I don't see why not. These unprompted, non-work-related conversation moments are a good time to practice.

>>211905296
yell at your tv while inpooting in broken-TL like a nigger in a movie theater

>>211911266
Based. Enjoyment is nothing. I don't enjoy anything I do. Processes are awful. The only thing that is good is having acquired skills. Being a disciplined person who does not worry about what they "enjoy" is what it takes to become truly skilled in anything.

>>211915788
I'm just starting bro, duolingo serves as a good base. Learning english was easy since everyone has lots of english media all around them. But I don't have any contact with russian, so this gets the job done of introducing the language in a more organic way, contrary to, say, a grammar book, which eventually i'll buy.
I'm planning to pay for a presential russian course eventually.

Where do I start with Spanish? Textbooks, podcasts, online courses?

>>211915877
>duolingo serves as a good base
he could have 5000 anki words by now with that many days of duolingo

The new AI stories in Duolingo are awful and soulless. The voices are terrible.
They also put an ad that cannot be removed right at the bottom so it blocks the buttons.
DEATH TO DUOLINGO

>>211915850
u niggas are so full of shit theres no way you are acting like deeply enjoying something isnt insanely valuable for spending a lot of time with it. you are retarded for acting like this. diagnosed. theres no changing it. sorry.

>>211917372
Valuable yes, mandatory no.

C'est fini.

learning a conlang is less worse than learning russian if you think about it

best book for mandarin?

>ни нa чтo нe гoдный
What does this mean?
I feel like russian throws these tiny 2 letter words around all the time together and I feel like most of the time I understand them but when they're bundled together like this it just looks weird in my head

>>211920302
>ни : a negation, like “not” or “no”
>нa чтo : “for anything” or “for what”
>нe гoдный : “not suitable” or “not fit”
Not suitable for anything, or, in more idiomatic English, good-for-nothing.

These jumping sounds from one word to another in French pisses me off. This shit + French R and I can't pronounce shit
>>211914331
Learn French. Suffer like I do
>>211919851
>conlang
Like Italian language?

>>211919851
no

>>211916021
Spanish for Reading by Karl Sandberg
Dreaming Spanish

>>211922490
My bad. My bad.

>>211922347
yes

thoughts on language overview videos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kNHTYmBSkw
Mongolian language here

>>211916021

>>211916021
Courses intended for learners are overrated imo. Just pick anything you want to be able to say or understand and figure that out. Then move onto the next thing. Repeat until you feel satisfied.

>>211925554
I would kill my firstborn for a similar graphic for French

>>211925554
>pokemon on youtube
kino

>>211928017
I'll make it one day but in the meantime, 90% of the resources in that graphic have a French version too. Refold FR1K, Routledge Frequency Dictionary, French for Reading, Assimil French with Ease, Olly Richard's books, Easy French, Dreaming French, Pokemon, extr@... for intermediate podcasts you have LanguaTalk Slow French and InnerFrench, for advanced I don't know because my listening isn't there yet. For piracy links, just find French section on the r/FREEMEDIAHECKYEAH wiki.

FR1K (v2.0.0, Nov/2023)
https://files.catbox.moe/5gvbgy.apkg

>>211928017
>>211928345
If you're willing to pay a little bit for an account (I think its like 20 euros?) you can sign up for ygg torrent which has everything you could want from netflix series, anime series dubbed in French, to original French series/films.

>>211928345
>https://files.catbox.moe/5gvbgy.apkg
my macbook started buzzing whilst downloading this wtf

>>211916205
I've been doing Anki for 2 months and I'm starting to think it's actually worse than duolingo in many days.
People just like it because it's Science(tm) and Free.

>>211928767
>macbook
found your issue

I AM STARTING FRENCH AGAIN
No, I will not speak it to Walloons or Frenchoids. But knowing French sounds pretty cool
>>211928792
i run linux tho

>>211928825
>But knowing French sounds pretty cool
It doesn't tho

>>211928945
half my country is occupied by Frenchoids
and they have nice songs and literature

>>211929088
>half my country is occupied by Frenchoids
My condolences
>and they have nice songs and literature
I beg to differ

>>211929187
French sounds beautiful in songs

>>211928345
>>211928641
Thanks a lot you two

>>211929308
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

It's over inpooters, the dreaming spanish fraud has been exposed.

>>211898983
WHO!?

i'm a newfag in language learning.
i have limited experience with anki top 1000 and italian. works pretty well so far but i took a break because of exams.
what's your experience with this technique?

>>211929557
>i took a break
Yay, forgetting stuff and having to do it all over again!

>>211929557
never take a break
always do 10 minimum for easy languages
also do a top 5000 deck as well
>https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1325517346
and sentences
>https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1713927804

>>211929606
i know man, breaking a habit sucks. but i haven't lost motivation, i literally had to take this break and i will come back to learning as soon as possible

>>211929703
looks promising, thanks
which is the second most spoken dialect in Italy? neapolitan?
>inb4 language not dialect

>>211928017
I have this

>>211929877
Accents are dying, especially in the North
>https://antozanini.medium.com/the-forgotten-and-now-endangered-languages-of-italy-24cec12adc4
>the 12.2% of the Italian population who actively speaks a local language
If you want to dialectmaxx Neapolitan would be most apt

>>211928017
What do you really need help with? You can easily find content in French at all levels, you can make your own anki deck as you go along or find ones made by others, you can easily practise with native speakers or LLMs, you can easily find resources with explanations for every aspect of the language.
>>211928790
>People just like it because it's Science(tm) and Free.
It can easily be a massive waste of time if you use it in a way that doesn't work for you. I used to think it was a waste of time but I've changed my mind. Maybe there is no way that works for you or maybe you haven't discovered it.
>>211929557
If you want to do it, give it a go. What's the worst that can happen? Just don't expect it to be enough.

i tried tranlsating a passage from sallusts bellum catilinae into french
im not sure of how i did it but at least i finished it

C'est honorable de faire du bien à la république, aussi de bien en parler: ainsi peut-on devenir fameux, soit pacifiquement ou violentement; en même temps ceux qui ont accompli des hauts faits et ceux qui ont écrit les faits d'autrui sont loués pour beaucoup. Et pour moi, bien que quelque gloire de méritée ne soit point donée ni à l'écrivain ni à l'auteur des choses, il semble très difficile d'écrire les hauts faits; premièrement, parce que les faits doivent être égalisés avec les mots, puis, parce que la plupart des gens considèrent comme dit avec de la malévolence et de la jalousie ce que tu considérerais comme des simples fautes; quand tu raconteras la grande vertu et la gloire des hommes bien, chaqu'un regardera avec du sang-froid ce qu'ils penseront être facile à faire; cettes choses-là, comme si fictives, ils les considéreront fauses.

Did you guys knew that the FSI numbers are fake? Like you always hear "the FSI says you need 24 weeks or 700 hours to learn spanish" but in reality they have a 60% failure rate.

>>211931054
>It can easily be a massive waste of time if you use it in a way that doesn't work for you. I used to think it was a waste of time but I've changed my mind. Maybe there is no way that works for you or maybe you haven't discovered it.
The problem I'm finding is that placing nothing but the word on the front makes it unreasonably hard but associating a word with a single context sentence means that I can learn the sentence instead of the word.
I would need to have it randomly pick from a set of 20 sentences.

>>211931054
>What do you really need help with?
I don't know, honestly. I just like proven plans for learning stuff. At the moment I have a mixture of Duolingo, French for Dummies, and I went through an Anki deck I found on the Anki website. On the side I read Flying Witch in French. I still don't know how to form other tenses than the present tense in French, though.

>>211929883
Thank you, Polish fren.

>>211931109
>22% 1st fail rate
das is richtig jaaaa

Frenchbros! How does a Polish accent sound to the French?

>>211931966
You're reading it wrong, 22% is the on-time success rate. 80% take more time than 30 weeks or never succeed.

>>211932060
German language is just too difficult. Mutts cant use Cases correctly in casual tongue

>>211920302
these particles drive me insane too
russians structure sentences in the most retarded way possible
>>211930147
>>211929877
you are going to sound like a massive dunce speaking a dialect even implying that you find learning resources
stick to italian
>>211931109
>>211932060
its over. we're never going to be polyglots.

>>211932171
>its over. we're never going to be polyglots.
It could also be that the FSI teaching methods are bad. The government does everything poorly, I'm not sure why people think the FSI in particular is competent.
But maybe some people are just too stupid to ever learn a second language.

>>211932232
yep, over.

>>211932232
>>211932435
>https://www.bible-researcher.com/schopenhauer.html
>Those of limited ability will not readily master a foreign language in the real sense of the term. They learn the foreign words, it is true, but always use them only in the sense of their approximate equivalent in their own tongue, and invariably retain the idoms and phrases peculiar thereto. However, it is the spirit of the foreign language which they are unable to master; and this is really due to the fact that their thinking itself does not take place from their own resources, but is for the most part borrowed from their mother tongue, whose current idioms and phrases are for them equivalent to original ideas. And so even in their own language they always merely make use of hackneyed phrases (phrases banales, abgenutzte Redensarten); and even these are put together with so little skill that we see how imperfectly aware they are of their meaning and how little their whole thinking goes beyond the mere words, so that it is not very much more than parrot chatter. For the opposite reason, originality of idom and individual fitness of every expression used by a man are an infallible symptom of outstanding intellect.
Schopenhauer has the goated take again

>>211932475
I hate when niggas are in a resourceful thread and start yapping.

>>211932549
its 3 tiny paragraphs about /lang/uage learning by the greatest philosopher of all time
begone mutt

>>211916205
Not really no. Also, doesn't anki only teaches grammar?
>he
Who are you refering to?
Lmao you say you know all the secrets to language learnibg but you can't even speak english properly.
>>211916230
>i didn't like this one optional duolingo feature
>DEATH TO DUOLINGO
Dude calm down, have you considered just not using it then?
>>211919851
Why do you hate russian so much?

>>211933022
>Not really no. Also, doesn't anki only teaches grammar?
Anki only teaches vocabulary (poorly), in general. In theory you can also do grammar flashcards but then you are really wasting your time.

>>bible-researcher.com
begone crucifreak

>>211932634
>Yapping
Mald, europoor.

>>211902379
How do you say
>tits
in your TL?

>>211934537
die Titten

>>211933138
Then it's useless to use it alone as the bulgarian retard suggested.

>>211933022
>Dude calm down, have you considered just not using it then?
I have an 874 day streak. The app was still good last year but lately they've been rolling out new updates that are making everything worse.

bump

>>211929411
Dishonest vid

>>211938272
donde está baño

learn german

can you switch spotify chinese to simplified one or do I have to install chinese alternatives already?

>>211938683
how does that help you learn german?

>>211938446
*¿Dónde está el baño?

>>211932475
schopenhauer also said not to input slop like peppa pig and pokemon and yet here we are

>>211939298
@grok is this true?

>>211938775
I'm sorry I tried but their word order is anoying, cases are barbaric and I refuse to use them and I might be genuinely prejudiced against them

>>211931109
IIRC those "week" calculations are 5 hours per weekday of in-class instruction PLUS like 1-2 hours of homework outside of class

so that really is probably the fastest someone could do it and not really what a normal person doing it on their own could do.

also I think a 3/3 is akin to B2/C1, so it's not even all of the way.

When I'm learning a new word, I usually look it up on my phone and repeat it to myself over and over until I've memorized it.
The other day though I did this in a dream. I dreamt I looked up a random word and tried to memorize it. I woke up, looked that word up on my phone and I found out that you don't say it that way in my TL.
To this day I still get confused

How do you guys cope with not being able to learn many languages in your life time? I need some help

>>211942653
learn a lang for 3 years, switch to a new one and maintain the old one.

>>211942653
You have to pick one or two that you love. You have to love them so much that dabbling in other languages makes you feel sick like you're going to puke, because you know that every second dabbling is a second you could spend improving on the language that makes your dick hard.

How long did it take you to master the accent in French? Maybe not a native speaker, but close to that level and sound natural and understandable without any problems

>>211932171
i want to at least understand a dialect since realistically speaking i would probably never had to use one myself

>>211931109
it's ~40% on time failure rate for category 1, and that just means they didn't reach B2/C1 level after that 24 weeks. I can't find out how much extra time people are given though.

>>211944570
Like a week

>>211944956
Add. Apply. Something.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Spanish/comments/wqusu3/24_wks_1300_hrs_of_spanish_at_fsi_what_ive_learned/


post from someone who actually went through FSI

>FSI (the Foreign Service Institute) teaches diplomats languages, as well as things like tradecraft and leadership. Each language department has a somewhat different approach and different curriculum, so the below is generally only applicable to the Spanish department, not other languages at FSI.

>The full Spanish course is 24 weeks, meaning it takes 24 weeks on average to get to a 3 in speaking and reading, which I think is equivalent to a b2/c1. The classes typically range from 2-5 students per instructor, although for about 12 weeks I was in a class with 1 other student which seriously accelerated my learning

>Day to day, FSI expects you to spend 4-5 hours in class and 3-4 hours self studying. In practice it's really more like 3-6 hours self study after class each day with another 3-10 hours on the weekend.

>>211896318
>The only universally useful slavic language
My two cents: you're better off learning bulgarian. Because it's the easiest slavic language. And similar to russian. And similar to serbo-croatian

>>211945018
>TL:DR

>24 weeks and probably 1,300 hours of Spanish in small class settings resulted in high level of fluency and proficiency.

>Comprehensible input was a huge factor in my success, but I believe minor grammar studying (5%-10% of your time) is helpful in the beginning to help you recognize structures while listening / reading.
>Listening to native speakers (at the right level) is critical, and talking to native speakers was also extremely helpful. Watch a lot of youtube and find people to talk to.
>Asking "why" for different structures and trying to remember rules / tricks is a waste of time - just continue to listen and read and you'll pick it up through pattern recognition.
>You've gotta find material that you really like. Switch things up often so you don't get bored.

>>211942159
you basically you have to double these numbers to get the real number

>>211931109
The only real value to the FSI charts is to show how hard langauges are compared to each other for a native english speaker. The timeframes to learn them can be totally ignored, because nobody here is going to FSI and getting small group 5hr monday-friday instruction by a professional teacher. It's totally irrelevent to a normal person. It's just to show how hard the language you pick is going to be. Mandarin is going to be like 4x harder than Italian. Et cetera.

Someone give me a rundown of Jordie. I haven't been here in months.

>>211945477
>of
on

>>211944956
Don't lie to me
>>211945030
>the easiest slavic language
>similar to X or Y
It's a meme. If you like Bulgaria then great, but if you are not interested in Bulgaria specifically then there is no point of learning it. Russian, Spanish, French, maybe Portuguese and maybe German are universally useful

>>211942159
The real way to read this, based on how a person not in the FSI would learn:

cat1 = 1 year

cat 2 = 1.5 years

cat 3 = 2 years

cat 4 = 4 years

if you go ImmersionCocoonMode™ and only use the TL for everything, you can probably halve these numbers because your brain will be desperate to understand what's going on. otherwise those timeframes are probably accurate

>>211945515
obviously it assumes you have a minimum interest in bulgarian culture

I am hereby anouncing my soujourn into the ImmersionCocoon. For the next 4 months I will work, eat, shit, and improve my Spanish. I will share results afterwards.

>>211945751
drop spanish and learn russian

>>211945751
Bin.

>>211945751
you may only speak in spanish now. you must translate this page into spanish.

>be me
>download anki decks for: Ancient Greek, Latin, Italian, Spanish, German, French, Chinese
>Memorize all of the top 5000 vocab across 3 years
>read through some grammar books respectively
>when anki decks are memorized: start reading books
>put every new word in a new ankideck called Custom-(lang)
>win
name ONE flaw
>>211939551
if you want to study Italian, get an Anki deck and an Italian classic like Dante's Inferno. Read it 2x carefully with a grammar and you will learn Italian

>>211946119
French pronunciation

>>211946238
thats easy comrade, I had 6 years of exposure in high school! I have already French ears in my brain

Bros, finally grinded Spanish enough to understand 80% of a Peppa Pig episode. Been chatting with LLMs to improve my speaking. Gonna keep grinding.

>>211946310
Prayer!

>>211946310
*snort snort*

>>211946545
He did everything he could so I do not fall here yet I did.

full-time immersion is the only reasonable way to learn. languages are not hard to learn. it just takes a lot of time. minimizing the # of days is the only thing you need to do. full 12-16 hour days of immersion is the best way to learn.

>>211946656
Amen.

>>211931980
Never heard a polack speaking French.

>>211946775
Word.

Hey ESLs
Can you "th?"

im going to say it
voice chating with ai bots is good practice

non stressful environment, you can read their responses if you just want to practice speaking and not have to practice listening at the same time, your responses get transcribed so you can see if you made any mistakes, you can have the bot critic you after for mistakes and if there are better phrases you could have used (though taken with a grain of salt)
the one downside is they will start responding as soon as you pause speaking even for a moment which is annoying and not realistic

>>211942159
adjusted for including hours outside of study(i just doubled the hours) and assuming 12 hours of 100% immersion daily:

category I: 3 months

category II: 5 months

category III: 6 months

category IV: 12 months

PolyglotGAWD here, the only time I can go to China this year is next week, so I'm just going.

I had hoped to be a lot better at listening before going because my listening skills are dogshit. Since I started learning, I have basically only done Anki, sang karaoke, and spoken to real people.

However the people I speak with are all Japanese learners, so they only reply to me in Japanese, meaning I have had minimal Chinese input so far. Greedy fucking chinks.

This is going to be painful, but I will do my best to improve my listening as much as I can in China. My plan is to talk to old people hanging out at parks in the morning. I hope I can understand their accents.

>>211880921 (OP)
Oh

>>211946119
Well you would certainly be literate eventually, you’d just be functionally illiterate in all of them for half a decade and then you’d probably be somewhat halting since you’d only have engaged with the language really near the end.

If you just did this plan but started on texts earlier it would work better, preferably something written in every one of these with a more formal register that can carry over to more difficult reading while still being approachable.

The Bible.

>>211948414
Translations of the Bible change a lot from language to language unless they’re committed to peak formal equivalence. Unironically, your best bet is translations of the Latin Vulgate, but not every language has that and they may be in the older form of the language. The Catholic Public Domain Bible is your best bet in English considering the Douay-Rheims was published in 1610. Also, you might not be able to get a hardcover for other languages, so electronic would be the way to go.

Learning german vocabulary for me was easier than learning french verb conjugations

>>211948748
Well yeah duh. If someone wanted polyliteracy in more classical versions of Romance + English then vulgate based translations would be peak.

>60mins into a 5 hour native podcast talking about politics
>100% comprehension
All thanks to input. Hard to believe that I was watching Peppa Pig last summer.

>>211931109
Blacker pill: their numbers are already for students with "exceptionally high" language learning aptitude. This doesn't necessarily correlate with intellectual capability in other domains (math, science, etc.) either. And even then then, this is Foreign Service Institute students - not just randos off the street. So if their success rate for French in 36 weeks is 43% you can probably expect more like 4% of the general population to hit that target.

>>211949658
it was 36% for 24 weeks and 43% for 30 weeks.

also these people don't pick the language. they're just placed in whatever is needed. maybe doesn't help motivation.

>>211932232
I am too stupid. My language learning aptitude is bad. This is, specifically, why I do it. My way of living is to target my personal weaknesses as areas of improvement, and language learning is a major and glaring one.

>>211945751
It's honestly not a bad idea.
>phone set to TL
>games and TV in TL only
>TL radio in the car
>if you buy something with instructions, only read the TL part
etc. I literally do all this irl, only thing not in TL is my pc/web browser because I am shitposting you guys in english and having spellcheck being on fire every single word is annoying

Why shouldn't I learn Tamil?

>>211951181
That's a shitload of work just to visit Tamil Nadu, and it's useless everywhere else.

>>211931109
>French easier to learn than German
Doubt

>>211946119
>name ONE flaw
You have no phonetic practice, you will not be able to understand the spoken language nor speak it yourself in an intelligible way.
There's other but this is the main one.
>if you want to study Italian, get an Anki deck and an Italian classic like Dante's Inferno. Read it 2x carefully with a grammar and you will learn Italian
Dante's divine comedy isn't written in italian.

>>211951859
English has a massive amount of words with french roots. Vocabulary is harder to learn than grammar.

>>211951995
By that logic German should be less difficult because of the French grammar. French is hard bc 1. Grammar and conjugation, and 2. Pronunciation and spelling

I want to do AFATT and AJATT but I don't know any interesting French websites and my Japanese isn't good enough

>>211951859
You are right for me personally, but it depends.
>easy time with grammar, hard time with vocabulary
French is easier
>hard time with grammar, easy time with vocabulary
German is easier

>>211949641
Nice anon. What lang and did you also use anki? Any grammer or conjugation work?

>>211952636
>French podcast in one ear
>Japanese podcast in the other

page ten

>>211948414
I am doing some textbooks, but that is not the primary goal. E.g. HSK books, Reading Greek, Wheelock's Latin, LLPSI, colloquial X 1-2 (routledge)

>>211951253
>it's useless everywhere else.
it could be fun though

>>211956813
Nuh uh.

bump

I am getting there

Write 3 curse words in your TL NOW

>>211958882
傻屄
二百五
小姐

>>211958882
huhrensohn
scheiss
fick
fotze

>>211958882
fuck
dick
nigger

>>211958882
Schlampe
Hure
Schwuchtel

>>211958882
Puta
Coño
Maricón

>>211959832
your forgot Schwule, -en (Schwuli)
it means: I love you

>>211956845
Have you learnes Tamil?

>>211880921 (OP)
Anons what is the best way to learn Srbski jezik? I installed Ling but it's kinda worse than Duolingo.
Ja sam iz Rusiji.
A lot of words are pretty similar the way they are connected kind of reminds me of English.
>>211958882
Kurac

>>211961595
иди нa фpoнт

>>211961778
Хyй тaм плaвaл.

Is there any good alternatives to google translation pop up dictionary? Chatgpt said goldendict btw

>>211949641
How can grammarfags ever recover?

>>211963695
https://yomitan.wiki/

hsk 6 exam tomorrow
I passed all my mock tests with at least 75% mark on all sections (the pass park is 60%) so I'm feeling confident
rn I'm just doing a few exercises and then tomorrow morning I'll do my anki and then go to the exam

After that I'm off to Xinjiang for 2 weeks and will finally get a chance to speak Uyghur to random people

>>211963983
Is this work with moonreader pro serboss?

>>211947167
Where are you going? You should try to find younger people to talk to, they will mostly have standard/normal accents
Anyone over 40 usually has a kinda strong accent even in Hebei

>>211964195
No, just in the browser. I thought you were asking for PC.

>>211964138
become King of Turkestan. Liberate THEM NOW in 2 weeks

>>211953607
Spanish
I had a pretty decent foundation in vocabulary, grammar, and simple conjugations because I had been messing around with Duolingo for a while before deciding to take language learning more seriously. I think I was near the end of the A2 section on Duolingo before switching to input-based learning. At that point, I was able to start watching higher beginner or lower intermediate content.
I began supplementing with Anki when I got bored with content aimed at learners. I finished the Refold deck and most of the Top 5K deck. I think that was helpful and sped up the learning process.

bump

I NEED TO LEARN CHINESE
HELP HEL PHEL PHELP

>>211968547
You don't.

I'm not trying to shill or anything, but if you want a good text to speech for different languages try naturalreaders.com. It actually sounds normal and not robotic like google translate. Could be helpful for practicing speech and pronunciation.

the /ɔ/-/o/-/u/ distinction makes me go insane
there's no fucking audible difference between /o/ and /u/
why can't you fuckers just have /ɔ/ or at least /o̞/ instead of this shit vowel?

>>211969924
What are the limits of the free version?

>>211970010
>the absolute state of IPA-fags

>>211970168
here comes the shithead with said distinction

Any recommended French content for arab and African French? I can't understand their accents at all. I remember I ordered Deliveroo when I was in France and it was impossible for me to communicate with my Deliveroo driver lol

>>211965050
How much did Peppa Pig actually help you?

>>211947167
Visiting my friends in Guangzhou, Changsha, Hangzhou, and Taipei. I would prefer to speak to younger people but I figure that they're working or going to school for most of the day.

I don't know where to randomly chat with younger people IRL or if it's even socially acceptable. But I hear that the old people parks are always bored and looking for people to chat with.

>>211964209
Visiting my friends in Guangzhou, Changsha, Hangzhou, and Taipei. I would prefer to speak to younger people but I figure that they're working or going to school for most of the day.

I don't know where to randomly chat with younger people IRL or if it's even socially acceptable. But I hear that the old people parks are always bored and looking for people to chat with.

the powers of pepa terrify me

>>211972042
Not much desu because I didn't really watch a lot of it (1-2 hours tops).
Most of my input was from YouTube channels/podcasts like Dreaming Spanish, Spanish Boost, How to Spanish, etc.

Reminder that if your target language has CEFR rating exams, it's irrelevant and a waste of time

I started studying Spanish about a month ago and I'm now at an A2 level. My dream is to reach B2 by the end of the year. I will keep pushing on.
I hope you all achieve your language goals anons! Never give up!!!!

>>211973854
If you haven't already, I suggest watching Extr@ en Español and Español Si
Both series are fully available on YouTube, Extra is aimed at middle school - high school students, Español Si is more for adults and combines comprehensive input with grammar rules explained in basic Spanish

I should add both series use Spain Spanish with lots of vosotros and ceceo

>>211880921 (OP)
i like frens, will you be my fren

don't learn german

>>211977069
Sure, how you doing, fren?

don't learn italian

>>211964138
I just KNOW this is YOU
>picrel
Show yourself BritBong

sorry my bad learn german

How much longer before I can start understanding some things

>>211979127
Uygur and Tajiks are the best looking people in China
good taste

>>211980101
What lang

>>211981252
Russian

>>211980101
How do you have 2400 cards matured in a language and yet you still can’t understand “some” things?

>>211981338
drop russian learn french

normies will never understand why i have so much hatred for peppa pig

>>211981804
Approve.

>>211959932
>nigger
not a curse word though

>>211981717
idk I just feel like I'm gonna get up to 10k and still not understand shit

>>211982050
That’s fucking retarded. Maybe you should start doing some input and mining from that to actually use and acquire the language instead of trying to memorize 10,000 flashcards first?

>>211982050
you should be doing intensive listening then
(rewinding and listening to segments of content over and over)

>>211982097
cute

>>211982174
Who's next??

That makes sense
10k words is only A2 level

What's up with the Egyptian bot

Does your lang have its own native peppa pig type show to watch?

>>211982865
go watch shakespeare translations

>>211981804
>italy flag
>"learn french"

>>211964138
Why are you so interested in Xinjiang? You must have posted this in other threads because I notice it. Are you one of the libtarded state department controlled types trying to find out about the heckin wigger genocide? Besides I think you need security clearance to enter Tibet or Xinjiang, even from within China. Also why learn mandarin if youre only going to talk to turk speaking people?

>>211980101
>Suspended

I dont understand this feature. Why would anyone use it?

I'm too lazy

opinions on Heritage Languages™

aka learning a language because you have ancestors from there/significant DNA from there

>>211970010
>there's no fucking audible difference between /o/ and /u/
lmao, what language? you use phonemic transcription here, which is highly relative

>>211983702
it's fine as long as it's not russian

>>211979127
I've had a girlfriend for like two years now and Uyghur people are mostly fat
The myth about them being exceptionally beautiful is just Chinese people going crazy over anyone with slightly pale skin
>>211983479
I'm mostly interested in its history not the modern day. You don't need a permit to go to Xinjiang since the early 2000s, but you still need one for Tibet
Learning Chinese started my interest in Xinjiang and Chinese is definitely still my main TL (i.e. the one that will get me a job), and the rest of Chinese history, culture, and modern day is super interesting to me
Also not everyone in xj speaks Uyghur

bump

>>211983959
when I start mandarin one day I plan to watch romance of the three kingdoms over and over while looking up words from the transcript. I want to sound like Zhang Fei

Imagine if always pronouncing R would still be the norm is German...
>>211970010
Upvote. I just gave up and pronounce [o] the same as [u].

>>211984249
delete

American/English bros, is "weight" pronounced the exact same as "wait"?

>>211986429
Yup.

>>211986429
no. we pronounce weight as "wEE-it"

wait is "w-AY-tuh"

>>211986483
Thanks breh

>>211986535
Hey, don't try to trick me, I am putting serious effort into learning your language

>>211978744
I am drunk, had a nice time with a girl in a club, managed to get 4 of them on a random table of a few strangers. I only spent 20 euros (which is a record kek) for all the fun. I am calling it a success. How are you doing fren?

>>211986811
he's lying to you. >>211986535 is correct. wait and weight being pronounced the same makes no sense.

Well, okay, if always using the normal trilled R will undoubtedly out me as a Slav or at very least will sound plainly weird, what will always pronouncing the uvular R sound like in Germany, especially in the East? I recall ITT was an anon with such an accent.
https://voca.ro/1bWoGEL0vR2G

I am trying to learn Spanish but the grammar is hard

>>211988327
aren't you supposed to basically ignore grammar for the first 3 months

>>211988437
I have been learning Spanish for 4 months

>>211988327
>>211988473
Trying to pick up colombian chicks?

>>211988631
No I live in Arizonia and I am being forced to learn Spanish

>>211980101
How much time do you spend per card? In normal speech you have 0.3 seconds to recognize a word.

>>211988692
mood

the kazakh latin alphabet looks retarded, they should have just stuck with cyrilic

>>211923516
two asian girls and Sarah Jessica Parker?

>>211983551
Its in by default. Cards that get marked as leeches get suspended

>>211984249
I like many things about her videos but sometimes she makes me cringe so hard it's hard to watch

>>211988692
>>211989184
Forced by who/what?

>>211990844
forced by living in a majority spanish speaking area

when i went out at night in california and when it was dark enough that people couldn't see that I was white they would usually greet me in spanish

Can I learn Dutch without actively looking at vocabulary and grammar? I can already understand 50% when using full brain power. I also memorized some of the sound changes that differentiate High German from Low German/Dutch. Flemish seems much clearer than Dutch, maybe I should try that first.

>>211991562
Yes you can, it's the same language as Hochdeutsch, the same way as English and French and Italian and Spanish are all the same language.
Answer >>211987839

>>211987839
Only Franconians drill or tap the /r/, but they also vocalize it as a-schwa in those positions where a standard German speaker would.

>>211987839
never pronounce the /r/ in a word like morgen, unless you want to sound like a boomer from the rhineland.

>>211987839
No use in bikeshedding individual phonemes. (You)'ve seen the response to your longer vocaroos. You will never be a native. All that matters is if you're understood, and both of these are comprehensible.

>>211991704
>individual phonemes
This is the only one that seems to have some allowed variation in standard German though.
>>211991624
>>211991651
I see. It's over.

>>211991775
Drachenlord ruined the reputation of the tap/drilled r

That horse woman popped up in my feed as well. She's very pretty (and seems to speak like 5 languages)

>>211991201
I see. Does it inconvenience you in some ways? Or by 'forced' is it more like you want to open up more opportunities?

>>211989753
lmao