would these fine gentlemen be considered white in your country
>flag
obviously fucking not

>>211981922 (OP)
No

>>211981922 (OP)
i genuinly wonder if these guys would be considered white in italy, like do white italians look at these guys and go, ''yeah thats a fellow white person right there'' like nigga they look like fucking palestinians how could they ever be white

>>211982109
They would if they shaved their stupid beards and ditched the stupid haircuts

Brown DnC thread from the resident nafri

>>211982109
the problem is the beards and haircuts from turkish barbers, they're styling themselves like nafris and don't even realize it

>>211982109
I'm obviously not Italian, but people here don't really think about this kind of stuff. I'm light brown too, maybe a little whiter than those guys and people here really don't care. We're aware that there are all kinds of Croatians and we do sometimes talk about it casually, but it's never really about race or purity, it's just a casual topic among friends and family.

My mother and sister look like typical Europeans and my dad and I are light brown. Funny enough, my grandma (dad's mom) is blonde and blue eyed so I don't know why he's brown. My point is we all look quite different, and in America my dad and I would probably be considered brown, and some other members of my family would be seen as white.

Where I'm from we often call swarthier Croats "black" and lighter Croats with blond hair "yellow", but we're all considered 100% Croatian.

>>211982213
If a beard and short haircut make you look brown, you're simply not white. I'm speaking from experience, I don't look white regardless of my haircut and facial hair.

>>211982109
Idk about italy, but here they would be considered the same race as a blonde blue eyed person

>>211982690
Really? Are Arabs white, there?

>>211982690
Would a Christian Arab be white in Portugal?

>>211981922 (OP)
No

>>211982109
>''yeah thats a fellow white person right there''

does anyone even think like this ever?

>>211983063
>>211983007
mostly depends on the person’s skin color, not hair or eyes

>>211983095
Canada is so inundated with Pajeets that I have noticed workers at Costco will have a smile on their face and be friendlier when speaking to another white person than with a non-white. You can tell that he is thinking "finally one of my own".

>>211983101
The people in OP have brown skin though.

>>211982109
no they are not my kin. Italy is a multi-ethnic society and these freaks share nothing in common with people from my region

>>211983007
I mean, white Arabs do exist you know

>>211983413
Real italians are brown

>>211983565
"italy" is a fake nation and real "italians" are not brown.

>>211983565
Where?

The Romans were brown, and you speak their language, Sizzi

>>211983841
Meant for >>211983628

>>211983628
Those two statements are contradictory

>>211981922 (OP)
we don't have white people over here, we're all latinx

>>211982690
Would they though?
They are very swarthy
For me its a matter of physiognomy
And their physiognomy looks non

Meanwhile a swarthoid like scaloni, here would be considered white

>>211982109
being white is a state of mind

>>211982330
what is this insane fucking cope? A swede or icelandic person can have the biggest taliban beard nafri haircut , he still will look white

these guys wouldnt look white even as clean shaven, because they just dont look white

My grandma's family is from Turin and they all had blue eyes and light hair so idk.

>>211984581

>>211981922 (OP)
Ngl they look Indian or Pakistani
You sure they are Italian ?
>>211982330
Cope. If you can grow a beard grow it. A lot of zoomers can’t now a days. 30 years ago, 16 year olds had full beards
>>211982522
Probably this
Granted if you’re ugly you get called Indian . But if you look good suddenly you’re Arab, Latino or half Italian lol

>>211981922 (OP)
Pardxs

>>211981922 (OP)
>flag
No, they'd be considered pardos. Italian-brazilians are usually more white, sometimes even pale.

>>211981922 (OP)
Did they dye their beards? They look weird

>>211981922 (OP)
Nobody thinks in terms of ''who's white or not'' here, the 2 guys at the forefront aren't a rare sight in Italy, they are swarthier than average but you can definitely find people who look like that. The football player Insigne is another guy who kinda looks like those 2 guys. The guy at the very left without beard doesn't look Italian to me, I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't or not fully at least, personally I have never met Italian people who look like that

But aren't those people fascistoids? Those are usually the dregs of society everywhere, so you should factor that in too

>>211983565
The people in OP look Arab. The only difference is their nationality. If Mario was named Abdul would he be white? That's what I was getting at.

They don't claim to be white they claim they are italians

>>211985098
white doesn't exist, palestinians and israelis look almost the same and look at them. a dark italian would be italian and a blonde arab would be considered arab

>>211985218
White does exist. There is a biological white race.

>>211985218
>white doesn't exist
so black doesnt exist either?
asians dont exist?

>>211985218
>white doesnt exist
>let me present you with this 19-20th century made up post-unification romanticist identity

>>211981922 (OP)
Unironicaly no

>>211985218
>a blonde arab would be considered an arab
no, no they wouldnt, if this Syrian guy walks around in the netherlands people would treat him as another dutch person

if the guys in OP pic walked around in the netherlands they would get treated as any other nafri or refugee

stop coping

>>211986109
maybe in nordic countries that's how it works, but in italy and MENA we have old style tribalism, no arab thinks blonde arabs are dutch
>>211985737
indeed the swarthiest north italian is considered north italian and the blondest south italian is considered south italian

>>211981922 (OP)
Average italian or iberiac would be indistinguiable from an arab or morrocan if living in the same condition e.g. Sun exposure.
Truth is, the entire mediterranean region would be considered "south euro" if they were christian. Even today no northern european looks at a typical italic like OP's pic and sees my "racial brother".

>>211981922 (OP)
Weird how I'm Brazilian of Italian descent yet somehow I look "whiter" than these types
Italy can vary a lot on that regard I'm guessing

>>211989537
Same
These types would be considered brownoids (as in favela mutts) here
Definitely not what we consider white in Argentina or uruguay

are north europeans really this stupid?

Fascism was born out of the mediterranean and those same mediterraneans were the ones that civilized you spear chuckers

>>211989719
Mussolini was from north italy

>>211981922 (OP)
we don't think in the terms of "whiteness" here
having said that, they're really not on the spectrum of greek ethnicity
you could find *citizens* that look like that I guess...?

>>211989140
There are 58 millions Italian, taking a few of the swarthiest ones and saying they are typical Italians is like taking a few Italians with very light features (and there are millions of those) and saying that they are typical Italians, that would also be false. There are very pale Italians and very swarthy Italians and everything in between, Italy has never been a single ethnicity, even before the Romans, it was a bunch of different people with different languages

>>211989949
Greeks are much swarthier than italians nigga what are you talkin about

>>211990090
Arabs can be pale when removed from the sun as well, manolo. You're sounding desperate. Average italian if tanned and beared could pass as arab, its true,

>>211990128
If you think the ''typical Italian'' looks like pic related you are actually retarded, or trolling, or just blind

>>211990175
Yes ALl of these men, besides the italo-negros, could pass in Arab nations if they had a beard. Keep coping.

>>211990126
is that so? source?
also you have to be literally blind if melanin is the only difference you could see between this >>211981922 (OP) and uuuh normal people

>>211990406
Different skin tone, different facial features, blind retard: yep totally the same people. You are the one coping here Abdul, go book an appointment with an optometrist asap

I'm a Jew from the deepest sandiest desert of Iraq and I'm whiter than them wtf

>>211990126
Greek Islanders and South Italians are literally like 80% similar

>>211991112
>roman byzantine from turkey

>>211990432
Idk i thoght so? Obviously those niggas look like saudis from the deepest deserts of arabia but i thought such a look was more usual in greece.
I feel like italians have more european faces.
Say i feel like italians have more of a rodrigo de paul look in general
Maybe im making headcanon based on memes

>>211991369
It's Greek ancestry from Western Anatolia, Greek Islanders from the period are probably similar but we don't have any samples from there

>>211989140
>iberiac would be indistinguiable from an arab or morrocan

Funny that it is always new worlders the ones talking about southern euros like if they were something different from the rest of Europe.

This is the spanish waterpolo team that have just won the gold medal. 100% white facial features (which it is the most important thing: facial features and not yellow pigmentation). In fact, many northern euros look less pure western euro in facial features than many Spaniards.

>>211994174
And this is a northern euro with pseudo-white facial features (he looks asiatic-oriented).

>>211991403
it isn't
it's firstly not very common in both Italy and Greece but you could find it more often in Terronia than even the South Aegean islands on par with Cyprus (if you consider them Greek in ethnicity anyway)
mainland Greeks have a rodrigo de paul look in the tenfold compared to OPs people but so does 95% of Italy beside of Western Sicily and Calabria

>>211983628
Every nation is fake by your retarded standards

>>211990090
>58 millions Italian
There are no more than 50 million ethnic Italians in this country

>>211981922 (OP)
they look like arabs
but then again I don't see anything hypocritical in their anti-rapefugee protest because it's not about looks

>>211981922 (OP)
>>211982109
Arabs aren't Black, anon

>>211995527
I don't get how people got the idea that all nationalism has to be white nationalism
As if you can't reject others for speaking another languages and having another culture, even if they look similar.
/int/ posters believe they are smart by thinking like this and think they found some epic hypocrisy when it happens.

>>211981922 (OP)
>>211982109
Race obsession is a Protestant thing
>>211982464
Same here. Sometimes someone gets the nickname Cygan (Gypsy) at school, but other popular nicknames are Rudy (Redhead) or Łysy (Baldy). In my class we had a gypsy looking guy but we nicknamed blue eyes blond hair one a Gypsy just for lolz.

>>211996331
>Race obsession is a Protestant thing
the European concept of whiteness was created by the Spanish and Portuguese

>>211981922 (OP)
If you consider South Europeans white then these people are white too

>>211996331
nigga didnt some chilean piano player got beaten the fuck up in poland for looking arab lol, why are u pretending that whiteness is a purely western concept

>>211982109
have you considered, you fucking autistic retard, that italians don't perceive each other as white and non white? they only distinguish asians and negroes from italians

>>211990175
all could pass here except the goalkeeper.

>>211982109
we generally don't think about whiteness
they're either Italian or they aren't

>>211982109
meh this is some new world consept. if someone speaks Georgian fluently and doesnt look borderline black i consider him Georgian. i think this is how it is everywhere in the mediterranean

>>211998956
But did he known Polish? If not, then he's foreigner. Also singular incidents are nothingburgers and chileans are different in behavior, facial features than Poles with Romani or Armenian backgrounds. We are not racist overall but we are quick learning to be nowadays

>>211982109
italians don't think in skin color, but regionally. Still don't know why they're still united while they hate everyone from a different region.

>>211985067
Guy on the left has a very common southern phenotype, especially common in Campania and Calabria; overly manicured terrone with gull wing eyebrows.

>>211982109
>yeah thats a fellow white person right there
Nobody in med countries thinks like that outside of internet addicts though

>>211989537
average shitalianzilian looks soy asf, id rather look like op

>>211990406
insigne, donnarumma and 21 look like sandniggers but that's about it

>>211982109
Jesus was white and palestinian!

>>211982109
remove the ALLAH AKBAR beards and the "im in a rape gang" jackets and yes, they'd look sort of "white". not anglo glass of milk&pink skinned level White™, but a lower-case generic "white"

daily reminder MENA is considered white race in US census

>>211999308
the question wasnt if they considered them fellow italians, learn how to read

also ANY person on earth knows what a white person is, stop acting dumb

>>211982109
We do not look at skin color unless it's obvious that someone is not from here, like a nafri or a nigger.

>>212000466
question wasnt if u consider them italian
do u consider them white

>>211982109
after a lifetime your eye gets fairly good at detecting Italian faces even the more borderline MENA looking, but yeah there's going to always be a small percentile that overlaps with full MENA and you might suspect initially, but MENAs tend to overestimate how much they can pass to someone used to seeing Italian faces

>>212004596
Most italians see themselves as lombards, as sicilians, etc etc
They don't even consider the white/ non white question, they simply do not care

What's so hard to understand?

why are terroni so fucking based

>>211981922 (OP)
They would be considered brown Greeks. I think you have to look extremely different here for people to start acting weird around you. Like an albino or a paki or a mongoloid or something.

>>211981922 (OP)
yes

>>212007962
yes

>>211981922 (OP)
no, they would be considered gypsies

>>211983095
Yeah i was china for a while and it was nice seeing white people now and then. I didn't even know what cunts they would be from but i still gave a nod and you could tell they were thinking the same thing. You don't really realize how much you relate with your race untill you're in a minority. Nigga could be from New Zeeland or something but i would still automatically trust him 10x more than any of the 10 million chinamen around us

>>212005183
white people dont exist bro
asian people dont exist bro
black people dont exist bro
only lombards, venitians, people from rome exist
see we are italian and we are incapable of seeing race bro, its just what makes us different from all the rest of humanity

>>212000668
mate im brown and i know polish, it doesnt make me fucking polish, a slovakian who doesnt speak polish is more polish than me, because race exists in the real world, none of this nonsense matters, only race, a swede who doesnt speak polish is 100x more polish than a nigerian who is fluent and lived in poland his whole life

>>212002041
>average shitalianzilian looks soy asf, id rather look like op
>>211989537
>>211989637
Most (though not all) Italians who migrated to South America were Northern, who are more typically Euro/White looking
Italian Brazilians/Argentinians are Timmy-coded

>>212008717
You still don't get it, I see.
I'll say this again
This thought
>like do white italians look at these guys and go, ''yeah thats a fellow white person right there''
Or this one
>like do white italians look at these guys and go, ''yeah thats not a fellow white person right there''
Do not cross the average person's head upon seeing another italian unless they are laughably outside the norm

They will recognize someone to be a subsaharian nigger
They will recognize arabs and set them apart
They will not see someone like in your pic as not italian, the fact that the pic exists should be proof enough.
>NOOOOOO I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
Ok?

>>212011544
Ni hao

>>212011544
geniuinly how could you tell guys in the pic apart from an arab, im not even trying to be some polcel i genuinly cant

>>212005183
Latin american thirdie shithole mindset
>senooor i am lines on a map

>>211982109
in southern Europe it's understood there's people who are just swarthier than average but are still seen as local, as part of the kin. Foreigners probably can't tell, but we can definitely tell them apart from people from the middle-east and such.

>>212013440
I don't know how to explain it
I live in the canary islands and I can immediately tell if someone is a swarthy local farmer or a moroccan as he points out >>212013902

>>212008717
I dunno how many times you need to be told the same shit, but it's true. Take Adriano Celentano, he's swarthy af, now take Mario Biondi who is a ginger and could pass as some kind of angloid, nobody goes around being like ''Celentano is part of the brown race and Biondi is part of the white race'', they are both considered part of the Italian ''race'' (ethnicity would be better put). I dunno why is this so hard to understand for you

>>212013902
But thats different from saying "we dont perceive race sir we are wok"
Anyone that was raised among italians or spaniards can tell the domestic swarthoid appart from a literal nafri with mulatto phtosognomy
And there is obviously locals that would raise a brow
Luigi mangione would raise a brow among italians or spaniards because he looks "odd"
Others like antonio banderas are obviously local swarthoids

You can tell a gypsy appart from a spaniard
Retards here struggle putting a string of words together

>>212016849
Nobody is saying we don't perceive race, we just don't perceive it in the "white aryan - non aryan" way

>>212008717
>>212016634
This is just like some French anon who had a talk with me here being absolutely incapable of understanding whiter Brazilians as 100% seen as fellow Brazilians and not more foreign or less Brazilian in any way whatsoever than the typical mixed/brown Brazilians people think of when Brazil is mentioned. Not every single country is an ethnostate. I don't know what's so hard to understand about this.

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