Thread 212009617

What languages are actually worth spending the effort to learn?

>>212009617 (OP)
english

>>212009617 (OP)
C, PHP, JS, Python and proompting

Anything else is a meme

>>212009752
>>>/reddit/

It's amazing that people all over the world learned English to be able to read my comment.

Holy shit that's such an empowering idea.. I think I'm getting a power boner right now...... I'm gay

>>212009617 (OP)
None if you can speak English outside of really niche shit or traveling

>>212009999
For some reason I only get digits when I make moronic posts

bumping only useful thread on the entire board

>>212009617 (OP)
Moldovan is missing from the list btw

>>212009617 (OP)
Business languages are the only ones worth it, so Mandarin, English, German, and Spanish

>>212012568
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Moldova

>3.3m population
>$8,000 GDP

the literallyist of literally who's

>>212009617 (OP)
None for you if you don't even have any concrete reason to learn one. Like, are you really going to spend 100s of hours reading random shit in a lang some retards on /int/ told you to learn? And you have to constantly use it or you will get worse at it. It's a lifetime commitment.
>>212009999
Wasted

>>212009617 (OP)
English, Mandarin, Arabic and Russian.
Everywhere else either already speaks English too or doesn't matter.

>>212009617 (OP)
Macedonian

>>212012568
>As of March 2023, the only official language of Moldova is Romanian, and all references to the Moldovan language in the constitution and legal bills have been amended to refer to Romanian.[180][18

lmao. they're just fucking romanians. what a hellscape.

>>212010061
No, it's a powerful post. You let your subconscious start talking unfiltered.

>>212014757
stfu jew

>>212013910
>Arabic
Useless
>Russian
Dying

MENA and Russian trade partners either speak Mandarin or English. Those are the only two worthwhile languages.

>>212015076
Bro just enjoy having a gay power boner over everyone with me. We were born elites. Our people will ascend to godhood perhaps in our lifetimes. Ah! AHHHHH!

日本語はそんなに難しくないんだけど

>>212009617 (OP)
english not because it is lingua franca but because it is a meme language for entertainment. i learned it in like 3 months.

>>212015179
agreed, wmaf is the only worthwhile pairing

>>212015190
Ignore that other guy I am indeed enjoying my gay power boner like you recommended

German.
You guys are really missing out on saying "Planetenverteidigungskommandant" unironically.

>>212009617 (OP)

German.
You guys are really missing out on saying "Planetenverteidigungskanonenkommandant" unironically.

The ones you're interested in

>>212017250
"The German language has very long words" is such a meme. It's just putting together a lot of words without spaces.

We can do that in English too- it's just that we chose not to because it's unpleasant.

>>212017250
you're a retardedgayfaggotnigger

>>212017308
Its more than just that tho. You can take "Hand" and "Schuh" and make "Handschuh", our word for glove. There is no you take words and make new ones out of them.
Easy to think its just long words made of smaller ones but there is more to it. Don't know how to explain but its way different.

>>212017410
>retardedgayfaggotnigger
We actually have a word for this: "OP"

>>212009617 (OP)
Marathi Mentioned!™

>>212017436
>There is no
having a stroke rn sorry

>>212009617 (OP)
Mandarin probably

>>212017436
>there is more to it. Don't know how to explain but its way different.
ok I will trust you on that

Hanyu

>>212009617 (OP)
pic related languages only

If you enjoy learning languages: any
If you don't enjoy learning languages: none, unless you happen to have a love interest or 300k starting job position lined up in your TL country, but if you did, you wouldn't be asking.

>>212009617 (OP)
Tamil and Punjabi, so you can talk to cute Indian girls.

>>212019408
why is the nigger from scotland

>>212009617 (OP)
Mandarin - billion+ speakers, huge economy, lots of opportunities
German - top country in Europe
France - sounds sexy, high culture and art
Spanish - the whole central and south America, many countries (though poor)
Japanese - high tech, don't speak English, good economy.

But how does one learn them all? It's a monumental task

>>212020520
You forgot Russian.

>>212020551
Thanks.

>>212009617 (OP)
Japanese because its the language of loli hentai

The answer is frankly very simple. Pussymax™

https://statisticstimes.com/demographics/countries-by-male-female-population.php

>>212020987
Vulva is life.

>>212009617 (OP)

Why a minute.....why German are more difficult than romance languages? I thought you guys are germanic languages sisters.

>>212020551
It is useless lmao

>>212020987
here's a really detailed list that sorts by age as well, from 2025

https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/international-programs/tables/time-series/glob-pop-app-a/tab-08b.pdf

It's time to Pussymax™.

>>212021163
Now it is Pussymaxing thread

>>212021163
>china
>281M women age 15-44
holy fuck

>used ChatGPT to add up all of the age 15-44 for spanish speaking countries: 107M

>india 309M

>indonesia 67M

>japan: 19M

It depends on your reason for wanting to learn languages
I think that for your first language, the best bet is to choose an easy language with a lot of content that's relevant for you
For me that was the choice between French or German and I went with French
The idea was to study German after I reached a sufficiently high level in French but when I started I just didn't feel inspired at all and so I stopped and started studying Old Icelandic instead
IMO beyond the first language you should only study languages which really excite you

Latin, Greek, and Yoruba.

>>212021572
>not learning at least one Southwest Asian language
Nigga...

>>212021644
I studied Turkish for 3 weeks

>>212021163
>>212021506
I employed the state of the art AI technology to analyze this data and sort by language, ignoring english:

| Rank | Language | 15-19 yrs | 20-44 yrs | **Total 15-44** |
| ---: | --------------- | --------: | --------: | --------------: |
| 1 | Hindi | 53 703 | 256 558 | **310 261** |
| 2 | Chinese | 42 075 | 239 771 | **281 846** |
| 3 | Arabic | 21 096 | 86 924 | **108 020** |
| 4 | Spanish | 17 632 | 83 692 | **101 324** |
| 5 | Indonesian | 11 577 | 55 637 | **67 214** |
| 6 | Portuguese | 9 688 | 48 917 | **58 605** |
| 7 | Urdu | 9 357 | 42 824 | **52 181** |
| 8 | Bengali | 9 572 | 38 452 | **48 024** |
| 9 | Russian | 5 521 | 30 936 | **36 457** |
| 10 | Swahili | 7 589 | 25 285 | **32 874** |
| 11 | Vietnamese | 3 833 | 19 687 | **23 520** |
| 12 | Persian (Farsi) | 2 836 | 17 329 | **20 165** |
| 13 | Japanese | 2 823 | 15 651 | **18 474** |
| 14 | Turkish | 2 713 | 15 260 | **17 973** |
| 15 | German | 2 141 | 13 689 | **15 830** |
| 16 | Thai | 2 369 | 12 446 | **14 815** |
| 17 | Polish | 1 009 | 6 065 | **7 074** |
| 18 | Khmer | 856 | 3 892 | **4 748** |
| 19 | Kazakh | 763 | 3 401 | **4 164** |
| 20 | Kinyarwanda | 645 | 1 939 | **2 584** |
| 21 | Greek | 253 | 1 460 | **1 713** |

>>212021770
for completeness, here's english specifically

| Language | 15-19 yrs | 20-44 yrs | **Total 15-44** |
| ------------- | ---------: | ---------: | --------------: |
| **English**\* | **14 789** | **77 574** | **92 363** |

*Aggregated for countries where English is the most-spoken native language—principally the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, and the English-dominant Caribbean island states (e.g., Jamaica, Bahamas, Trinidad & Tobago, Barbados, etc.). Figures come straight from the “15-19 years” and “20-44 years” columns of Table A-8b and are expressed in thousands (so 92 363 = 92.4 million females).

>>212017308
The difference is not only in spelling, but also reflects in grammar. Rotlicht is not the same as rotes Licht (notice the change in inflection). There are some rare examples of this even in English, but less pronounced: flatland is not the same thing as flat land. There is no change in inflection, but in emphasis.
And more generally, how do you even expect word generation to work if not by composing existing roots. Nominal compounds are the easiest to explain to foreigners, so they get overrepresented and then smartasses conclude that there apparently isn't anything to it.

>>212009617 (OP)
Top ones in terms of usefulness: English, Spanish, and Russian.

After that it's up to you.

I'm learning Hebrew and Greek for religious reasons (the Bible). Also can speak some Lebanese Arabic and want to improve it more.

>>212009617 (OP)
>>212021939
Also, putting Arabic in the hardest category is ridiculous.

Dialects != Fus7a and some dialects have a simpler grammar than the other semitic language, Hebrew.

>>212009617 (OP)
The only language unconditionally worth learning is English, learning all other languages is context-dependent and if you don't have a very specific goal in mind, it will be a waste of time.
>>212009690
FPBP.
>>212009752
>>212010027
Also this.

>>212015347
>learned in like 3 months
>after being inundated with it my entire life via entertainment and mandatory english classes
Why are latinx like this?

>>212021069
English has many German-derived words, but very little of the grammatical complexity

>>212022694
>German
Germanic*

>>212009617 (OP)
English. Any others are hobby tier only. Maybe French has purpose because the EU HQ is in Belgium. Chinese if you want to spend 10 years grinding to reach the functional level of a native chinese toddler.

>>212024468
isn't chinese basically just learning tones and then collecting A LOT of vocabulary words? like isnt the grammar really simple

>>212021770
The proper analysis would be population gender ratio weighted by relative hours taken to learn the language. Raw woman count doesn't matter, you're not going to fuck a literal million women no matter what, so what matters is their disposition toward men and THAT is determined by gender ratio.

>>212024707
hm... you might be right... this could be calculated. usually, for age 15-44 at least, it's either 50:50 or it's like 55:45 so i don't think it's all that important.

and for hours to learn, we could use the FSI data for most of it. not sure if anyone else wants to calculate that lol

>>212009617 (OP)
Xhosa, Swahili, Gujarati.

>>212024707
yeah but at the same time harder to learn = less competition from other anons

>>212009617 (OP)
Already know mandarin English Spanish and ready to learn my next language but i don’t know which language should i study .personally i wanna study Germany or Russian cuz they still keep their influence in a lot countries

German, Greek, and Hebrew.

what's so hard about japanese?

>>212024857
For some reason I forgot Latin. Latin is a better thing to learn than all of these. It helps you get down to the roots of European language.

>>212009999
But English was the mother language of British not yours

>>212021661
Why did you stop

>>212009617 (OP)
This categorization seems weird. No way that Malay is equivalent to German in difficulty for an English speaker, let alone that Malay would be easier to learn than any Indo-European language.

>>212009617 (OP)
Why is german harder than ik ook?

>>212024876
you need to learn like 3 alphabets or something and it's like thousands of characters, like 2,200 minimum that you need to know. and there are like a hundred different variations of words based on the setting you're in and who you're talking to. apparently it just gets harder and harder as you go. in terms of learning a foreign language as an english native speaker, it's nightmare mode.

>>212025577
All other Germanic languages (except Icelandic) have highly simplified grammar compared to German.

>>212025636
Even danish? I heard spoken danish is bullshit to understand.

>>212025636
Why did this happen
We should bring back cases

>>212021862
>how do you even expect word generation to work if not by composing existing roots
We steal the word from the language that introduced the concept to us, call a thing by it's most popular brand name, or normalize the brainrot babble of the youths.

>>212025650
Danish grammar is the same as Norwegian and Swedish, they just have rather divergent pronunciation. Not that spoken Danish is particularly difficult to understand either if you just give it like one second of effort.
>>212025659
There's nothing inherently wrong with grammatical simplification.

>>212009999
god quads

>>212025600
Eh, the writing systems and politeness modes is not nearly as bullshit as the conjugation rules and the nountain of exceptions.

>>212025791
Simple grammar simple mind
A true Aryan language should have atleast 6-7 cases

fleshfags will soon be replaced and the only communication will be in glorious machine code, inshallah

>>212025791
>Not that spoken Danish is particularly difficult to understand either if you just give it like one second of effort
Honestly as a native Swedish speaker i can understand approximately 0% of Danish, maybe 10% if i really concentrate. Norwegian is a little easier but probably only around 20% at most
In reading it goes up to maybe 30 40ish % in either one
The mutual intelligibility between the Scandinavian languages is exaggerated, especially their spoken forms

>>212024987
The modern English language might as well be called American because of how irrelevant Britain is compared to the USA. People learn the language to come here, not to some sinking, smelly island next to France.

>>212026028
I'm going to guess you guys watch less media from other Scandi countries than we do.
>>212025981
English didn't have that problem. But then again, they make up for it with their huge vocabulary and near unparalleled freedom in sentence construction.

You should learn Armenian. there are many Armenians in California

>>212023505
It's also got words of pure High German origin like Müsli, Apfelstrudel, Sauerkraut, Chaoskampf, Schadenfreude, and Realpolitik.
>>212024987
>English was the mother language of British
Nah fuck off m8. Eald Englisc was the mother tongue of the Angles and the Saxons who came from what is nowadays the Netherlands and Northern Germany. It was adopted by the native British population of the island of Great Britain, who later on supplemented much of the language's original Germanic, Ingvaeonic (but also partly Nordic) vocabulary with Norman vocabulary of mostly Latin and Greek origin. The fact that English evolved into its current form in the British Isles is actually no more coincidental than the evolution of Vulgar Latin into Romanian in the former territory of the Roman region known as Dacia, and indeed, it ought to be remarked that neither language is trully the original language of the people who speak it.

>>212024987
The world is learning English because we're living in the era of Pax Americana.

Learn your place.