Thread 212061405

I will follow the list from this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s17lFFhbiMs

Russian and Ukrainian sound the same
Belarusian sounds like an alien language but slightly similar to Polish
Serbian sounds like Russian
Croatian and Bosnian sounds similar
Bulgarian sounds like Greek, I also noticed that their words are short like Chinese (maybe it's just this video)
Slovenian sounds "germanic"
Polish, Czech and Slovak sound similar
N. Macedonian sounds like a Greek alien language

From how similar they sounds I would group them:
Russian - Ukrainian - Serbian
Polish - Czech - Slovak - Belarusian
Croatian - Bosnian
Bulgarian - N. Macedonian
Slovenian

>>212061405 (OP)
>Russian and Ukrainian sound the same
Mental illness

>>212061449
>Siem pryviet, menya sovut Ivan
>Sem priviet, manya savut Mykola
wow so different
it's like Portuguese and Spanish, if spoken slowly you understand everything

>>212061540
>>Sem priviet, manya savut Mykola
It's not Ukrainian

>>212061552
where would you put Ukrainian as a native slav?
do you agreed with the rest?

>>212061540
Please don't say that again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eGH1PgC9_0

>>212061599
Come on, Poland.

that's right, Slovenian is very similar to Serbocroatian lexically but phonetically it is the closest to that other germanized Slavic lang, Lusatian, not Serbocroatian or Czech.

>>212061591
This video has a bad example of Russian because this woman is in a hurry and speaks too fast

>>212061618
from that video to my non slav ears, Slovenian sounded the more unique. The guy with the tight t-shirt in the video sounded like a drunk german/dane
>>212061626
Russian is the only Slavic language I know, that why I use it to compare to others

>>212061705
No.

>>212061405 (OP)
Belorussian is more similar than Russian than Ukrainian tho

>>212061405 (OP)
All Slavic languages are the same. There are bigger differences between various Spanish dialects than between Slavic "languages". I read Bulgarian wikipedia or listen to Serbian music and understand everything

Russian language is the most unique in this group

>>212061844
I am one of them.

>>212061778
I couldn't understand Serbocroatian until I was 25 except for simple phrases, but maybe that's just me

>>212061868
>but maybe that's just me
yeah, that's just you
especially that Slovenia is culturally dominated by yugoslop so you're only pretending anyway, every Slovene understands Serbian by birth

>>212061599
This is very retarded video. It's obvious that the Ukrainian girl speaks Russian and Russian girl is retarded. Why do they even make comparison "how well can Ukrainian understand Russian?" with the person who fucking speaks Russian.
Don't post it ever again.

>>212061449
Russian and Ukrainian actually do sound very different, though overall they are obviously very similar languages, except for the phonetic layer.

>>212061886
Even you must recognize that Slovenian culture is superior to Balkanoid culture, right? Despite them swamping us.

>>212061540
>it's like Portuguese and Spanish, if spoken slowly you understand everything
Not as close at all. Written Ukrainian includes a lot of scattered vocabulary words that look weirdly misspelled but are still recognizably cognate (or are cognate with a similar word in Russian, or just share a root that can be guessed), but 2/3 of it is grammatically and morphologically more like garbled Polish. The sounds are closeish (probably closer than the phonologies of Spanish and Portuguese), but the only reason there’s sometimes reported to be fairly high mutual intelligibility between the two (up to 75% in one study I saw) is because most Ukrainians still actually know Russian, so the Ukies understand Russians fine, and often switch into Russian-Ukrainian hybrid speech when they talk to them.

I’m a non-native speaker of basic Russian (maaaybe B1 on a good day, if I’m talking about a familiar subject, but my comprehension is slightly better than my production), and I found Ukrainians speaking pure Ukrainian almost completely unintelligible, until they switched into mush-mouthed surzhyk and were just speaking Russian with the letter g pronounced like an h. In any case, the consonants sound a lot softer.

I find Serbocroatian languages sound quite similar, a bit more clipped. And Slovene is weirdly easy to understand.

>>212061778
I heard otherwise, maybe poles are different

https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/207438535/#207440266
>in reality we can't understand spoken Polish and Russian at all, maybe a few words occasionally

>>212061977
You just dumb
>Russian girl is retarded
She is very smart, just never heard Ukrainian enough to understand it better. A good representation of average Russian person
Unlike a professional 4chan chud like you lol
>Don't post it ever again.
I will post it often from now

>>212062106
that Croat is just a guy who pushes this "Croats are Iranians" theory and belittles everything Slavic, don't listen to him
also, it's not like you can easily understand a Chilean speaking fast either

>>212062128
She's not average Russian, she's retarded brainrot zoomie, she brought word like "чинaзec", like really?

>>212062100
>but 2/3 of it is grammatically and morphologically more like garbled Polish.
can't agree, grammatically-wise Ukrainian is definitely more similar to Russian than to Polish (though obviously these differences aren't that big overall, after all Polish and Russian are fairly similar in grammar as well)

Also, Ukrainian, as a newly codified language, is still highly diversified dialectally and its vocabulary base is not yet fully established, so it's more up to the user what kind of words he uses. There are dialects/people who will speak with more Polish-like words, there are dialects/people who will use more Russian-like words. Generally in Ukrainian many concepts have at least 2 synonyms to describe it, one is like in Russian, the other like in Polish and then it's personal (or dialectal) preference which one will be used more often

>>212062187
>She's not average Russian
Yes she is

They bring random models there, not linguists. Imagine being so mad because of one word. Wtf
Touch some grass

>>212062264
Bad blood.

>>212061405 (OP)
Polish and czech sound a bit different from the rest
The others all sound litterally the exact same

>>212062099
>that Slovenian culture is superior to Balkanoid culture, right?
Nah, Slovene culture is extremely boring, not even Slovenes listen to Slovene music or watch Slovene movies after all, they just cons0000m yugoslop instead.

Well, at least you have a beautiful and well kept country, i give that to you. But it just feels better knowing that Bosnians are in charge of Slovene culture and cuisine.

>>212062314
I think Eastern European culture needs to be destroyed on every level except local peculiarities, so that nations such as Russia, Serbia and Hungary, buzz cuts, sour cabbage soup, beating the shit out of everyone you meet, and other cultural traits stop existing.

>>212062100
Which one of the slavic lang is more similar to Russian in your opinion? (easier to pick up)

>>212062343
why tho? that's what gives them soul
also I don't really think any of that applies to Hungary, they're quite different (interesting to know Slovenes have such a low opinion on Hungarians)

>>212062375
Slovenes generally despise Hungary overall. Gypsy-filled and authoritarian.

>croatian and bosnian sound similar
its gramatically the exact same language. its serbocroatian, both serbian and croatian standard languages are based on a dialect from a region in herzegovina. but bosnian is as much of a language as it is a nation and a group of people kek.

croatian has 3 vastly different officially recognized dialects though and half the country speaks in a dialect very different to the standard language, this is why croatian has status of being its own language.

>picrel
most croats live in blue.

>>212062408
I'd say Kajkavian is transitional between Slovene and Serbian and Slovenia-centered due to its variety of dialects and the fact that its core vocab is mostly Slovenian but Slovenian coastal dialects on the other hands are derivative of Chakavian.

>>212062391
is it a recent sentiment or long-standing (before Orban)? I always thought Hungarians were the same kulturtragers to eastern Slovenia like Germans were to western Slovenia

>>212062442
i find speaking in terms of official languages retarded honestly because the truth is its not like the slovene or serbian or croatian language came first, then the dialect. it was the other way around.

its the kajkavian language period, you guys were just lucky to be far away enough from serbia not to get baited by them. the people in međimurje and prekmurje arent genetically different or have different roots. they spoke the same language when they settled.

only later did the language deform because of our kids being taught shtokavian in school.

>>212062567
Croats switching to Shtokavian was the greatest idea ever. Mutual intelligibility with Serbs helped your culture thrive. If you spoke Kajkavian, your cultural sphere would be as small and irrelevant as that of Slovenia. There is a reason why no one in the world knows Slovene music or culture overall while a lot of nations enjoy Yugo stuff.

>>212062586
just because serbian music is a meme doesnt mean its good. the effects of serbian culture and influence is a net negative, such is their music. its also an idea that led to a war and irrepairably bad relations between our countries.

>>212062617
>doesnt mean its good.
Serbian music is super good and there is a reason why Serbian singers top the list of the most popular artists in Croatia.

> its also an idea that led to a war and irrepairably bad relations between our countries.
No? Not a single war between Serbia and Croatia was about or because of the language, lol.

>>212062586
not to mention most cool yugo stuff was built in slovenia or croatia.

>>212062636
it's not really true because most really cool stuff was built in Belgrade, also whatever Croatia and Slovenia had was because Tito moved a large part of Serbian industry to the north to boost economy of his homeland + to serve the west in a more efficient way

>>212062634
>Serbian music is super good and there is a reason why Serbian singers top the list of the most popular artists in Croatia
reason is the same why grannys wqtch turkish soap opera. the music is turkish with serbocroatian lyrics.

>No? Not a single war between Serbia and Croatia was about or because of the language, lol
us speaking the same language is a pretense to the idea that we are just catholic serbs.

>>212062650
>moved a large part of Serbian industry to the north to boost economy of his homeland
serbia was under the ottoman empire, illiterate with no rail infrastructure or industry. stop.

>slavic languages
Will never exist. Dickwashers don't have their own language.

>>212062666
>reason is the same why grannys wqtch turkish soap opera. the music is turkish with serbocroatian lyrics.
it's Balkan, not exactly Turkish
and what's wrong with cultures mixing? Croats are proud of whatever German influence in their culture after all

>us speaking the same language is a pretense to the idea that we are just catholic serbs.
no one ever said that for real

>>212062685
Serbia developed greatly in First Yugoslavia but then Germans&Ustashe and then Tito ruined it

>>212062705
Cyril and Methodius were Greek.

Cool.

>>212062356
In my opinion as an outsider with mediocre skills who’s hung out in most of the Slavic countries, Belarusian, followed surprisingly by Slovenian, followed a bit farther down by Serbocroatian varieties (which I would say are are about tied with Ukrainian in my experience) are the most transparent, in about that order. I find Czech, Slovak, and Polish (most of whom can understand one another to varying degrees) almost 100% opaque apart from prepositions and the odd root. Can’t make much of Bulgarian or Macedonian, either.

But I think that a proficient, motivated non-native learner of any Slavic language is likely to find it at least somewhat helpful when trying to learn others—across almost the entire family there are a lot of at least somewhat similar morphological and grammatical patterns. I’ve never really tried to study any of them apart from Russian in a serious way.

>>212061405 (OP)
great

slavic languages don't exist
Polish is much closer to german than to russian

and the pole in this thread is a vpn serb gypsy

>>212061405 (OP)
>From how similar they sounds I would group them
You almost got it right

>>212061778
moronic take
you're that mentally ill balkanboo, aren't you?

>>212062157
>that Croat is just a guy who pushes this "Croats are Iranians"
based, always wondered why Sarmatism didn't spread to the south

>>212066387
he's serbian

>>212066325
no it's not

>>212062586
>>212062617
Where do these zoomer retards who unironically call the language 'Serbo-Croatian' come from?! I've literally never heard that in my life, only a mentally ill red*itor would say something like that. Croats did not 'switch' to Štokavian, nor is Stokavian actually Serbian, nor is it 'Bosnian' in the sense that Croats took it from the non-existent 'Bosnians' (i.e. Muslims who are Islamized Croats and Serbs). Croats from Slavonia, Bosnia and the Dubrovnik region speak Stokavian, it's just one of 3 Croatian dialects. You deserve a serious beating for your continuous and persistent lying about the Croatian language.

I can't hear the difference between Czech, Slovak and Polish. Russian and 'Ukrainian' also sound similar to those languages, I'm not sure even there. I recognize Bulgarian or 'Macedonian' in a second. What all these languages have in common is that they sound funny to me, as if they were spoken by children, and I am primarily referring to West Slavic languages. Slovenians sound like nerds, Serbs like fags, Muslims and mt niggers like iq 80 retards (which they are).

>>212066884
>'Ukrainian'
The fuck is that supposed to mean?

>>212061405 (OP)
as far as spoken language goes i only understand macedonian (obviously)

>>212066708
Nearly all of the currently spoken dialects down there are descendants of an ancestor in what is now eastern Herzegovina, so you’ve all got some nerve (maybe the so-called Bosnians above all) not calling it Herzegovinian.

>>212066708
You are mentally ill.

>>212066708
you are crazy for real my dude

do you not have ears? it baffles me how much mental gymnastics apologists of the modern croatian language need in order to make it not serbian. you speak serbocroatian (herzegovina dialect) period. and dont pretend 50% of herzegovina isnt inhabited by serbs kek.

>>212067339
This is not true. Stokavian did not spread from a single center (eastern Herzegovina) nor was it 'adopted' by the Croats. Croats have always spoken Stokavian, the other two Croatian dialects developed later, several centuries after the migration, probably in contact with the Latins. The Croats chose Stokavian as their language because the largest number of Croats spoke Stokavian, because the entire Dubrovnik literature was written in Stokavian (with a touch of Chakavian), and because the political goal of the Croatian intelligentsia was to create Yugoslavia, and the Serbs also speak Stokavian, so it was 'common ground'.
>>212067699
Kys cuck

>>212067969
Bring me an Ožujsko beer, Nemanja.