Thread 212101083

It's so insanely over

>>212101083 (OP)
>tfw america worships the line better than us

Angry birds was a total missed opportunity

>>212101083 (OP)
>insane regulations that stifle any innovation
>high taxes which make it difficult for anybody to invest in other or start their own business
>immense welfare systems that encourage lack of working
>states are run by bureaucrats to encourage managed decline
shocking

>>212101141
It's because we lack a true single market with a federal government that throws subsidies at everything that moves in the tech sector like they have in the US. Until Europe federalizes and cuts all the bureaucracy created to appease national governments it will not succeed.

>>212101141
Holy mother of neoliberal drivel

>>212101316
Noticed you didn't say he was wrong

>>212101083 (OP)
most big European companies are just older than 50 years

>>212101316
I'm not a neoliberal
European countries are more neoliberal than us anyways

>>212101141
>Insane regulations
Regulation is good. Without it you get massive amounts of waste and capitalist fuckery like Apple always making you require a new charger.
>High taxes
This horse has been beat so much it has turned into leather. Our system is better.
>Immense welfare systems
This is a good thing. The government exists for the people.
>states are run by bureaucrats
I will never tolerate criticism about our leadership from an American flag after your last 10 year shitshow.

Fuck you.

>>212101083 (OP)
>Germans were touting their fintech unicorn Wirecard
>turns out the entire operation was a Russian intel scam
>German "regulators" were actively trying to defend Wirecard from whistleblowers and journalists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirecard_scandal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Marsalek

>>212101511
>The government exists for the people
Lol. Why are scandies such bootlickers?

europeans, neoliberal federalists in particular, are completely detached from reality. they overestimate eus influence so fucking much. a few months ago someone posted a reddit image to cope how europe is totally keeping up with america and china. imagine flexing ilovepdf??? and a handful of these arent even a thing anymore. but if you listened to these dumbasses europe is 1 federalization from becoming the center of the world again. its so fucking pathetic and cringe

>>212101889
he's right, in functional countries governments exist for the the people, but maybe not in whatever African country you're from (phonepostergod can't check flags)

>>212101377
>I'm not a neoliberal
sure
>European countries are more neoliberal than us anyways
read a book neger

>>212101983
>SWEDEN
>YES

>>212101983
not on the retarded 'we are better because we work harder for people who are much richer than us' american's side here or anything but what people is your government for exactly? the syrians? the somalis?

>>212102660
TRUEEEEEEEE.
After 2015 when the Syrians arrived the Swedish government stopped paying out my pension, refuses me healthcare and blocks my number everywhere.

>>212101956
Fl studio is the most important invention of the 21st century.

>>212101083 (OP)
Is having more mega corporations supposed to be a good thing for some reason?

>>212101316
I am a proud neoliberal, I read abundance by Ezra Klein and I am fully Libpilled chud

>>212101083 (OP)
>only money matters
>we're so rich
>i mean not us the people
>but our insanely overvalued tech companies like Apple who produce a net zero value for the world
>and are actually a detriment
>are rich
>so we're better
>right?

>>212101956
Pretty disappointing showing considering it’s for a firstie continent of half a BILLION people

>>212101083 (OP)
NOOOOOO WHY AREN'T YOU GIVING ALL YOUR WEALTH TO THE STOCK MARKET JEW YOU JUST MUST OK

>>212102858
Yes. A good economy is beneficial to everyone. You would be a moron to think otherwise.

>>212102734
yeah i guess

>>212102961
Everyone should invest in stock market. It's free money if you are not an idiot.

>>212103003
Okay then leaf, tell me what to do to make money from the stock market.

>>212102974
median blue collar wages are lower in the US than in germany in spite of germany's lower cost of living. Every time I walk to the grocery store I see tons homeless people sleeping in their trucks in the parking lot. The girl at the register's skin is constantly bright red and peeling because she's stuck homeless outside in the middle of the florida summer. Almost everyone with a blue collar job is struggling to pay rent.

But hey, at least our corporate overlords are doing good

>>212101083 (OP)
The US has a lot of bubble tech companies that create no value. They have no manufacturing while the EU have created actually valuable companies like ASML.

lol

>>212101083 (OP)
The EU needs to ban American companies from the EU market like China have done. And stop Americans from buying EU companies. Also more subsidizes for EU companies. But Europe has been controlled by the US since ww2.

>>212102977
>>212103184
europe is totally fucked
east asia is slowly dying out
america's been gone for a couple decades

the world fucking sucks now

>>212102923
Facebook: zero value.
Apple: zero value.
Microsoft: zero value.

Good at capturing profits but zero societal value.

>Eurangutan economies are not owned by that jew Fink(elstein) or however the chicken is chlorinated
Why are they so smug about it

>>212103198
painful trvke

EU don't scale but you'll find a ton medium sized companies that work as contractors and manufacturers of components for American megacorps.
For example many German companies in "Silicon Saxony" supply microelectronic components to Intel
Huawei and Cisco rely on Finnish companies for 5G R&D
Or you can visit a factory and check how many industrial robots are from the EU

>>212103198
Worked well for the space industry lol

ITT: slaves rationalizing their inferiority.

>>212101083 (OP)
>muh stocks
Americans are such golems

>>212103489
he's not an amerimutt

>>212103074
Wages are much more higher in the US. The only thing europe does better is the welfare system. Most poors in the US are either lazy or immigrants. There are plenty of opportunities for social mobility while there are almost none in the EU.

>>212103506
who gives a shit?

>>212103064
buy S&P 500

>>212101083 (OP)
It is always balkanoid diaspora that feels inferiority complex and seethes at Europe instead of quietly accepting the differences between the two continents. America is much much richer and Europeans lack the ambition (just see this thread) and got addicted to making excuses a bit too much. The people who want to make it will continue to emigrate there. There is not much point of getting mad at this

>>212101956
>Nokia
>Swedish

>>212103489
>10% increase per year with zero effort is LE BAD
This is why you are poor.

Why would "founded in the last 50 years" be a relevant metric? Most of the important EU companies are much older than that.

>>212103601
That's not a good thing

>>212101956
I work at one of those and that image is either years old or the maker was retarded, the stock price has cratered and it's run at a loss for years now, with little short or even medium term hopes for recovery

>>212103236
>zero societal value
Only for troglodytes. These companies created millions of jobs, gave access to infrastructure for smaller businesses and increased overall productivity of all workers.
>>212103600
The people in this thread are retarded. They will forever whine and stay poor.

>>212103513
no they're not, retard. we have extremely high income inequality. wages are only higher for the top earners. median wages in germany are like 53k euros, 40k usd in the us

>>212101956
r/europe is a hell to read but its a good place for getting (you)s

>>212101956
Sanofi bought a local drug company (Chinoin) that used to pay really well within the country and even gave stocks to workers. Now it is just another Western outsourcing company that pays like shit. At least it should have been a burger or a german company doing it

>>212103701
Now subtract taxes

>>212103618
It's neither good or bad is my point. A company being new and rising up is not an indicator that it's better than a 70 years old company doing the same thing 70 years ago and still being relevant today by adapting to the market. Why would Bayer be irrelevant because they are old?

>>212103701
US wages should dramatically surpass EU wages as soon as you start looking at jobs requiring a decent education, a registered nurse in California probably makes more than a Swedish or German brain surgeon.

>>212103558
at least switzerland is finnish

>>212103601
>Why would "founded in the last 50 years" be a relevant metric?
Because the circumstances are different? It correlates with how difficult it is for new businesses to form and develop.
>>212103803
It's not about the companies being better or not.

>>212103681
>increased overall productivity of all workers
Lol how? Facebook is a tobacco company. Microsoft makes the shittiest software. Amazon sells overpriced services. There is no productivity gains here.

>>212103816
someone needs to work on the fishing ship or in the coal mine. not everyone can be in tech

>>212103816
>US wages should dramatically surpass EU wages as soon as you start looking at jobs requiring a decent education
Or just standard trades.

ITT unemployed retards and NEETs arguing about wages again

>>212103701
Actually when you take the median (not average so no inequality distortion) income, adjust it for purchasing power, subtract taxes AND add benefits like public healthcare and education, the US still sharts all over Europe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_income#Median_equivalised_disposable_income

>>212103901
serious question: do you really think that posts like these make you look smart instead of a retard?

>>212103935
household is not a good measurement, household sizes vary a lot. iirc there are more people living alone in apartments in europe

>>212103961
Ok.

>>212103942
It's the truth. They are all parasites companies that create no value. Also add apple to the list. The only US tech companies that create value are Google and Nvidia.

>>212101956
they are right
federalization is the only way to attempt to compete in current international context

>>212103961
>The median equivalised household disposable income is the median of the disposable income which is equivalised by dividing income by the square root of household size; the square root is used to acknowledge that people sharing accommodation benefit from pooling at least some of their living costs.
It does account for household size. You literally cannot throw enough variables and adjustments in any way to obfuscate that median Americans are richer than peer nations.

>>212103977
Apple creates the best laptops and smartphones on the market lol

>>212103977
>Value is only created when it's from the type of phone I like

>>212103681
>The people in this thread are retarded. They will forever whine and stay poor.
It's sad because many of the NEETs here that leech off family could set themselves up pretty well by just working some min wage job for a while and dumping the money into whatever S&P 500 fund. It's what I do, after all.

>>212104042
>>212104065
Apple is complete trash and very overpriced. I know because I'm forced to use their shitty laptops because of my job. A ThinkPad running Linux is much better.

>>212104111
What's your plan for when the 2nd great depression happens in the early 2030s and your stocks go to 0?

>>212104111
No one should buy a S&P 500 fund. You're a brainlet. All the smart people buy low cost global stock market index funds.

>>212104193
Same plan as if WW3 happens.

>>212104181
Apples has been goated ever since the M series chip. There is not a single laptop on the market that would get you the performance, battery and screen quality combined. There is no other laptop on the market with a touchpad that would be half as good.

>ThinkPad
Chickshit with shitty display

>Linux
Mac OS is just a Linux that actually works lol Are you 12?

>>212104254
>Apples has been goated ever since the M series chip. There is not a single laptop on the market that would get you the performance, battery and screen quality combined. There is no other laptop on the market with a touchpad that would be half as good.
No, I use an M1 laptop. It's not very good. The chip is made by TSMC btw. Apple cannot build that shit themselves because they are a design and fashion company. Not a tech company.

>Chickshit with shitty display
Still the best laptop. Your stupid racism doesn't change that.

>Mac OS is just a Linux that actually works lol Are you 12?
Both are unix based but mac os is bloatware unlike Linux distros.

I hate my M1 laptop but I have to use it because of my job.

>>212104372
> The chip is made by TSMC
Thinkpad does not create chips either

>because they are a design and fashion company
Not having chinkjeet taste does not make you a fashion company. The unibody aluminum the Macbooks have introduced was revolutionary design wise

>Still the best laptop.
There is not a single area where ThinkPads would be best at. It is just a meme among unemployed autists on /g/

>bloatware
again this is just internet autism, most people grew out of this by the time they enter college

>>212101141
Other than Bulgaria and Croatia I'd still move anywhere within the EU instead of California

>>212104589
Yes, no american company is able to manufacture fast chips. They also don't make the machines that manufacture the chips like Western Europe does. Macbooks are just marketing and branding. It's like gucci, i.e. overpriced trash.

everything of value in america was made by brits or europeans, when oil dries out they will become another brazil

EU isnt a single market plus mutts spend money they dont have even if they make 300k dollars a week

>>212104589
>There is not a single area where ThinkPads would be best at. It is just a meme among unemployed autists on /g/
Unlike macbook which is best in the area of advertisement tailored for hip, but tech illiterate, young women and alphabet soup hipsters who use it as another trinket to base their personality on

>>212104731
Intel does

>They also don't make the machines that manufacture
you mean ASML? They have hundreds of suppliers, many American

you sound like every other autistic 12 year old on an internet froum from 2005 who think they are smart for installing linux so i will just end this convo

>>212104861
Ahh another retard.
Macbooks were always popular among creatives because things like CoreAudio is vastly superior to whatever dogshit Windows had with the individual drivers yet alone talking about Linux which did not even have (maybe has now?) low latency audio
It took Windows like 15 years to introduce System wide color management. Linux still does not have it btw kek

But M series chips have been great for anything. Unless you pay vidya an M series macbook is the best thing you can get on the market. its not even that expensive

>>212104861
Also its pretty ironic but
>another trinket to base their personality on
That is literally what the other anon does with his ThinkPad while most people don't even think about that with a MacBook, they just buy it for some reason. ThinkPad does have its actual personality cult among internet autists, go on /g/ to see what all the unemployed people are up to now with their little distros and ThinkPads

>>212104863
>from 2005
Your dignified company allots the most resources to get ahead of everyone in trend implementation, or even break new ground by leading the trends themselves, so it makes sense you're going to use (random year from the past) as an insult. Rings hollow to me.

>>212101083 (OP)
This doesnt benefit the average american tho

>>212104863
>Intel does
Bro, it's not 2005 anymore. Intel is over.

>you mean ASML? They have hundreds of suppliers, many American
Most of them are European. Like Zeiss. Cymer is based in the US but owned by ASML. ASML is a real tech company unlike Apple or Microsoft.

>>212101083 (OP)
I don't really understand why I should care. I have a better quality of life than the average American

>>212104969
You're right but you fail to see that's an obvious backlash to mainstream trends. It's like mainstream slop music being some lascivious shit with 3 or 4 chord playing in the background. Punks are as musically illiterate and their music scene is based on aesthetics rather than talent too, but it's different because it came to be as a reaction to the shitty mainstream

>>212104926
By system wide color management you mean scheduled blue light adjustment? Redshift does that on linux, you can even input your latitude and longitude so the filter adjusts itself based on diurnal cycle at your location. Does crapple have anything like this?

>>212101956
>Eleven Labs
>Polish
What?

>>212101083 (OP)
Yes, yes, very nice.
HOWEVER I'd still much rather live in the EU and not this corporate hellhole.
I can't even afford a house.

>>212101141
Correct on everything. Sad that my "fellow Europeans" have a knee jerk reaction instead of listening and bettering European countries.

>>212105714
No you're just not very smart.

>>212101141
Yet we have a higher living standard. Curious.

>>212104842
Even if that were to happen the US would still be a super brazil thanks to all the infrastructure.

>>212102858
Europe has mega corporations, they just happen to be owned by old aristocrats. There are no conditions to allow the newcommers to succeed.

>>212105737
Okay so what is your explanation to why the EU hasn't had any large new companies been founded in the last 50 years?

>>212106001
What? Sweden and the Netherlands have had plenty of big companies. Northern Europe has been doing well.

>>212101083 (OP)
Very simple: EU doesn't print dollars

>>212106182
Like which companies? As you see here >>212101083 (OP) there are very few European companies of note.

>>212106554
The tiny countries of Sweden and the Netherlands have created Spotify and ASML for example. ASML is the most important company in the world right now. Much more important than facebook, microsoft, apple, and amazon put together.

>>212106001
Because the EU had more established and powerful companies that are older than 50 years old and that buy out talent when it rises to stay on top

>>212101083 (OP)
we keep getting poorer and poorer but retards go
>hurr durr dey jealous of our trams
asylum continent

>>212101511
>The government exists for the people.
The issue is “the people” in Europe’s case are Ahmed and Ngumbu, who are prioritized over the actual native people. If you complain about this you will be jailed by your government.

>>212105442
>You're right but you fail to see that's an obvious backlash to mainstream trends.
Hating mainstream things for the sake of it is fucking retarded anon and eventually youll grow out of it. Its especially pointless these days where it takes two clicks to discover something "underground" if that is even a thing anymore

>By system wide color management you mean scheduled blue light adjustment?
No I mean color management as in applying color profiles, selecting working space for workflows, etc.
color management used to be application dependent on Windows until 11

>>212106689
ASML is dependent on tech and patents from around the world. that's why can control your export list for it

>>212106689
ASML is dependent on tech and patents from around the world. that's why we can control your export list for it

>>212103121
>They have no manufacturing
The US manufactures nearly as much as the entire EU put together, and European manufacturers are moving their operations here because we have lower taxes and much cheaper energy

>>212103279
keeeeeeeeeeeeeeek

>>212107270
o shidd
i have like 500 years of jail to do

>>212104842
The average American colonial was already wealthier than the average Briton in 1776

>>212101083 (OP)
It's just beginning to be over

>>212106689
Several companies like Nikon and Canon also manufacture advanced lithographic machines.

>>212104016
US neet trash wont accept this, they need to believe that they live in a shithole so they can claim they are oppressed and being trash isn't their fault
EU neet trash also need to believe that they're somehow "winning" by living on welfare for 20 years in their dying country that was totally important and a superpooper 500 years ago

>>212107679
You know as well as I do I’m referring to actual European countries, not Diet Russia

>>212107746
Only ASML makes EUV machines which are needed to make the best chips. All the American tech companies are depending on ASML and TSMC because America cannot manufacture chips.

>>212107486
False. All the EUV patents were made in Europe.

>>212107554
False. If that was true: why does the US have such a large trade deficit to the EU?

>>212107834
ASML has a lot of their own tech but is more important as a technology integrator and manufacturing platform provider. They only own some of the tech inside their machines. They ship different versions of their machines to TSMC, Samsung, and Intel, because all three ship their own patented tech and techs provided by their suppliers just for them to ASML to have ASML integrate them into custom machines just for them.

A lot of Euros seem to be mistaken that because ASML is Dutch and a critical supplier of lithography machines, they have massive leverage against TSMC, Samsung, Intel, etc. and they can just throw some money and can whip up a TSMC competitor in Europe, but it doesn't work like that.

>>212107764
yeah this obnoxious swede cuck is the same poster who has been spamming the board with the swedish stock market lol
quessential euro poster on this board is some mentally ill neet who creates 15 threads a day

Eastern Europeans should stop seething and coping about Western Europeans. We know that Eastern Europeans haven't created any great companies.

>>212107831
if by actual europe you mean UK then they voted to not be european

>>212107877
This is why WE choose who you export to, even if the president of ASML is against it like he was in the past, he still has to obey us.

>>212107877
>>212107986
False, the EU could just ignore the US. You can scream all you won't but you don't control the EUV tech. And international law doesn't matter anymore, which is what Trump has showed.

>>212107894
Bro, you should get a job and stop seething. You're seeing ghosts. Spending all your time on 4chan isn't healthy. I'm not a NEET like you but I hope that you find a job and I wish you well.

>>212108050
nigga you just spent the past few days spamming the swedish stock market lol
sorry to inform but you are so autistic that you are easy to recognize even anonymously
youre here on this board all day

>>212108060
It's over for the EU.

>>212108000
If it were possible for Europe to somehow stand by itself without collapsing you would’ve done it a long time ago. Everyone knows it. Actual real serious countries dictate international law, not Sweden or a non-country like the EU.

>>212108060
>>212108095
usa is way worse. youre already a spics country with thirdie homicide rate

>>212108071
I've never done that. Please don't use racial slurs btw. I love you and I wish you well. I hope that you will find a good job and that you don't have hate in your heart.

>>212108095
Grim

>>212108050
>The most critical component of ASML’s EUV systems—the light source and foundational IP—is patented by the U.S. government and U.S. companies.

>>212108150
just tell me how much chinks care about your patents

>>212108150
It's owned by Cymer which is owned by ASML. It could easily be switched out or the EU could just ignore the US. International law does not matter anymore.

>>212108191
Do you care about his patents? Do you have the means of stealing from him like China does all the time?

Stop living vicariously through China. You're a conquered slave. Know your place.

>>212108289
m8
if you already are using the patent for making shit do you even need to steal it. just stop paying for the use of patent

>>212108244
>International law does not matter anymore.
Only if you have nukes

>>212108244
It's still built on American IP and subject to US export controls. You have no autonomy. The president of AMSL has moaned about it because he can't do shit. Watch your mouth or we'll take Greenland as well.

>>212101141
this is absolute bullshit, there's more bureaucracy in the US

you are a fag who have never lived anywhere but America

>>212108426
France has nukes.

>>212108446
ASML could switch out the parts if they wanted to.

>>212107554
It's mostly moving to Poland and Spain, due to the lower wages, and cheaper energy (Spain has north African gas, Poland imports from Russia)

>>212101083 (OP)
Airbus or Boeing?

Europe has so much potential squandered by incompetent leadership. In actual product quality they are lightyears ahead of US.

>>212108446
blompf doesn't care about greenland anymore his programming switched to iran

>>212101956
novo nordisk is the most important company for americans in world history

>>212101889
lol. its the opposite of bootlicking dumbass. Hes saying the point of govt. is to serve him, not other way around

>>212108132
yeah its you.
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/212062281/#212065052

and you have been going at it for years at this point you autistic freak
heres you again:
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/207345334/#207345593

>>212105364
America will conquer us at this rate.

>>212101083 (OP)
It's almost like the global economical empire who owns all of Europe has more successful companies.

>>212108528
>(Spain has north African gas, Poland imports from Russia)
How come the rest of Europe doesn’t get their energy from there

>>212108519
That's not how it works, the machine wouldn't have the same function. We have patents on the most vital parts.

>>212108587
Wrong. You need to spend less time on 4chan my friend.

>>212103681
>increased overall productivity of all workers.

> increased productivity
> in a country that produces nothing

This thread is filled with nitwit takes. Youll all die poor.

why do you retards bicker over shit that has nothing to do with you.
your genetic and social superiors invented the technologies and built the mega companies you jerk off as personal accomplishments.
Being born in america or europe has fuck all to do with anything. You're all the same scum sucking maggot wasting the oxygen you breathe in every second of your pointless lives.
just buy the shit your betters sell you and shut the fuck up. jesus and people think chinkcel nationalists are cringe

>>212108760
trvthnvke

>>212101083 (OP)
And it will only become worse as we become more and more of a retarded nigger muslim continent under the yoke of socialdemocratic policies that completely discourage business and entrepeneurship.

>>212107938
they are european, just not in the eu.

>muh GDP
>muh stock market
>muh tax address

You should kill yourself.

>>212101083 (OP)
Europe got JAPANIFIED. In 2008, the EU’s economy was 10% larger than that of the U.S. Now? The U.S. is 50% larger than the EU

And now all your companies are moving here because you can't get cheap gas.

>>212108760
>Being born in america or europe has fuck all to do with anything.
a burger flipping nigger makes more than the average wage of the continent

>>212108932
>And now all your companies are moving here because you can't get cheap gas.
brutal trvth bomba

>>212108649
its (You)
you have been raving about ASML and the swedish economy for a long time
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/207058689/#207067318

>>212108932
>And now all your companies are moving here because you can't get cheap gas.
That's not true.

>>212108965
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/166153122/#166153597

heres from 2022

>>212108932
The USD is up 45% against the EUR since 2008 so it's almost flat if you account for the currency change. The fact is that the US has a trade deficit against the EU so you are spending more than you're earning. That can't go on forever.

>>212109055
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/189114438/#189115324

2023
almost word for word the same posts

>>212108965
>>212109055
>>212109098
You're talking to mgp. He's a crypto millionaire who has been spamming Sverigetråden since 2015.

>>212108632
Gas-Pipelines mostly only run from North Africa to Iberia. I remember hearing something about France wanting to build a pipeline across Spain to get access too, but idk if anything came off of that. You could also build a ton of gas plants in Spain and generate all the electricity there, but then you'd have other problems with transporting all that to the rest of Europe + The cooperation is yet to be there like in single countries like you guys or China.
>Russia
PR issues + they're the most immediate threat at the moment, and directly funding their government by buying their gas would he stupid. Small shitter countries like Slovakia, the baltics, Hungary etc. can get away with still buying it because no one cares. Poland actually seems to have decoupled mostly I just found out

>>212109098
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/186553832/#186554530

heres (You) bragging about Sweden
2023

>>212101083 (OP)
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>>212101511
It's because the US has 37 trillion dollar debt.

It's actually not any of the reasons you said.

It's just the 37 trillion dollar debt.

>>212101083 (OP)
Europe has been under United States occupation since the end of WWII. This shouldn't be surprising at all.

>>212109098
>Also a bunch of BS. I can clearly see that Eastern Europeans are seething about ASML for some reason.

he did it here again lmao >>212107933

>>212109196
He's not wrong THOUGH. All the innovations from Europe comes from Western Europe. That's why so many Eastern Europeans seethes about Europe.

>>212109245
blud's talking about himself in third person

>>212108584
>Hes saying the point of govt. is to serve him, not other way around
I know. And it's incredibly childish and naive. Government is NEVER going to be run in your favour, it's always gonna be run to benefit those who are in it.

>>212109059
They sell more services to us than the other way around. They pay money to us for manufactured goods, we pay money to them for Microsoft and AWS licenses

>>212109290
You have to deflect because you know that it's true. You're seething about Europe because you feel that Eastern Europe is inferior to Western Europe. I don't agree btw. I love all of Europe.

>>212109290
مسأله وقت.

>>212109338
The US still have a trade deficit even if you account for services. Things like Azure and AWS can be easily replaced btw. I work as a consultant doing exactly that. AWS, Azure, GCP are very overpriced but the lock-in is real. They make money because of the lock-in, not because their product is better.

>>212108095
except muslims blacks and immigrants will carry so this is non issue

>>212108578
not saying there arent any meaningfull companies here but if you have to bloat the space with dead companies and literal who "start-ups" you just show that europe is indeed fucked.

Europe is staying behind more and more in every area of development while slowly becoming a nigger muslim continent. The EU is genuinely the worst thing to have happened to Europe.

>>212101956
I didn't know that lovable was Swedish. Another great startup is Mistral. A French company.

>>212109290
he seems genuinely autistic tbqh

>>212109245
no one seethes over europe. people just dont automatically drop on your knees to suck your dick and you get offended by this. if sweden was such a nice place to live the biggest immigrant groups in your country would not look like this. people mostly go to sweden to collect gibs and people move to the usa to make money or get funding. theres a gap between usa and western europe similarly how theres a gap between western and eastern europe

>>212109463
Europe has Mistral. The EU is not the problem with Europe. Stop with the demoralization nonsense.

>>212109463
>The EU is genuinely the worst thing to have happened to Europe.
This. As one smart guy put it, all the decision making power has been moved up into the EU and the people there don't actually care about the people in the EU.

>>212109463
>>212109513
The EU is not perfect. I agree that mass immigration is bad. I also think that Europe should ban all US tech companies like China have done. The US has done a lot of damage to Europe. Like buying DeepMind for example. Europe needs to understand that the EU is an adversary. Lowering taxes etc. is also good. Most of those companies are created by European immigrants, Indians, or Chinese because most Americans don't have the needed educational background.

>>212109416
We could use one of yus right now, at my work they deployed a huge AWS-based integration system only a year or two ago and everyone involved is now low-key regretting it lol

>>212109653
>that the EU is an adversary
*US is an adversary

Parts of the EU is an adversary because we need close integration.

>>212109653
>Europe needs to understand that the EU is an adversary
the trvke that shattered /int/

>>212109691
>we need close integration
Fuck that. I don't your type anywhere near power.

>>212109566
mistral isn't even in the top 40 LLM anymore

>>212109670
>AWS-based integration system only a year or two ago and everyone involved is now low-key regretting it lol
I know. The problem is that AWS is the default and managers love to go with defaults because it's much less risky.

"Why did you do X? This is a mess!"

"Because everyone else did!"

"Ok then well if everyone else did it...."

I have seen this many times. Now they have lock-in. Just look at S3: very cheap to store things but very expensive to take it out. EU regulations should ban this btw. But it's best to simply not use any of these cloud services in the first place. They are overly complicated so that they can hide the costs and make it hard to get out. You're better off buying your own servers and colocate them and set up your own infra using OSS. But that's not the default since about a decade now so it's not safe and thus non-technical managers won't do it.

>>212101141
>make it difficult for anybody to invest in other or start their
holy esl

>>212109141
>>212109098
>>212109055
>>212108965
Håll käften. Förstår du? Håll bara käften.

>>212109844
In our case I believe it was mostly because the larger company already had a contract running for X million, and they had enough budget left unused to fit in this new system. I hope if not some fully European provider they at least switch over to this new European division(?) they're creating. I listened to 2 talks about that at a conference recently, and it sounds like that could be nationalized reasonably easily in case there's a serious falling-out with America

>>212103816
Median wage in the US is like 2k a month after tax. Thats less than what an apartment costs these days. Americans are broke dont believe land of opportunity propaganda

>>212101083 (OP)
>>212101121
no but seriously, why has the EU innovated so little in the past several decades?

>>212109152
the US owing itself money is completely irrelevant. the US private sector does $16 trillion dollars worth of business every year. the public debt is a meme.

>>212109630
eh i dont think eu is a problem. sure there seem to be a lot of people in the parliament with genuine passion for people who want to make money. but europe in general is a lot more risk aware. look at the people in the usa who created companies. bezos was already a senior vice president of a hedge fund at the age of 26. he could have comfortably retired with his job in his 30s already. musk put all his money into tesla and spacex, no sensible people would do something like that. space and the automotive industry are like the most concentrated (space companies are literally just government agencies normally) and most complex industries that are normally impossible to break into. europe does not have these madman types

>>212101083 (OP)
not a single company producing anything worthwhile in both continents
China mogs both

>>212101083 (OP)
>stock market is the only important thing
no thats retarded
going public is a huge mistake for most companies. most turn to shit in every aspect the moment they go publicly traded

>>212109630
the problem with the EU is that it's all performative globohomo garbage. seriously what's the point of the EU? to create a (((unified))) currency that's easier to control, and enforce brown refugees on all white nations?

>>212110380
>europe does not have these madman types
Sweden has many great entrepreneurs.

>>212110420
>to create a (((unified))) currency that's easier to control
Yes but actually unironically. And you'd be surprised at the lengths that they're willing to go through to shove it down your throat.

>>212110380
>europe does not have these madman types
It absolutely does. But they are constrained by 5 billion rules on who you can hire and fire, what toilets you can build etc. And all those rules are different in each country.
>>212110420
>performative globohomo garbage
Yeah. What's lacking is democracy. As in people who do stupid shit get voted out. EU is very much insulated against that.

>>212110342
1. It's more difficult to create startups here due to burocracy (IN GERMANY at least)
2. The successful startups that do come around often get bought up by Americans.
3. It's much harder to scale here than elsewhere. In America you have 300m potential customers who speak the same language and live in the same country with the same laws. In Europe the largest you'll find is 80m German speakers here before you either have to deal with different languages, or live in different countries with different laws.
4. the average euro is older than the average American, and thus more risk averse.

>>212110693
5. Every single country is GOT A LOICENSE FOR THAT STARTUP M8?

>>212110420
The main point initially was to ensure peace through economic co-dependence. It's expanded it's influence and power since, and most countries just kinda went along with it. Nowadays there isn't really much of a clearly defined goal, now that wars between euro country inside the EU are so far in the past everyone forgot about it, and it's very aimless

>>212110824
Point 1 lol. We have like 5 billion different forms of corporations here so you need to consult a lawyer before you even start. It's madness. Apparently Poland has some model where it's much easier to start out as a single person or few-man team, that sounds like something worth looking into

>>212110693
>4. the average euro is older than the average American, and thus more risk averse.
GET BREEDING, HANS.

>>212110981
Jawohl mein Führer! I'm visiting my long-distance English rose gf next week to have sexo and secure a future for the white race

>>212103382
Can confirm this is true for my country
Drive through the country and you will see tons and tons of small-medium sized factories and companies
Most farms are also independent small/medium sized and every centimenter is higly optimized

>>212110923
My point is basically every country in the EU is like this. Some better, some worse but essentially they all have the mindset that you gotta have all the permits first. Which kills enthusiasm.

>>212110824
>dude just let me not pay income tax so i can run my shitty company for 3 years and then disappear

>>212110693
The austerity that Angela Merkel and David Cameron imposed on the entire Europe for 12+ years had more to do with Europe falling behind technologically than any of your points.

>>212111869
>Dude just hire a full time accountant and lawyer for your 1-man startup to comply with our 10 trillion regulations and forms you need to submit

>>212111942
Thank you for telling me about my country

>>212111954
>le hyperbole
our commercial law is based on yours and nobody needs that here

>>212111869
You do know that there used to be a time when companies didn't even pay income tax, right?

>>212101983
the government can simultaneously own you and take care of you, though. you euros are spoiled children.

>>212109463
>The EU is genuinely the worst thing to have happened to Europe.
Fuck off you fucking idiot

>>212101083 (OP)
not bad

>>212101083 (OP)
Europeans cannot print dollars to self indulge their own companies without any consequences

>>212101121
Spotify is Swedish, ASML is one of the largest chip companies on Earth, LVMH is technically younger than 50 years.
But yeah the European market is CAPITALIZED by older companies rather than RECENTLY founded companies.

>>212101141
Sure buddy. Go bomb Iran some more before you get your daily OJM worship

>>212119827
It's still hilarious seeing hard Spotify fucked up.

>>212101956
we would but our economies are all fucked

just one case of how fucked up our social system, employment and taxes are in Germany in particular:

to match the lifetime income of an 80 year old say teacher (or any other lower govt employee) who's paid at A12/13
you'd need to be in the top 5 percent of private earners and start saving young since govt employees don't pay social security tax, pay lower tax and get so many gibs from the govt for having children as govt employees.
you need to earn almost double the income of a fucking teacher which you can do only as a highly educated and skilled specialist, expert in your field.
that doesn't even account for the fact that a teacher in Bumfucknowhere, BW earns the same as a teacher in Hypercapitalist Dystopian Warzone, Berlin.

and another punch in the face. you won't be able to afford a house close to the city period as a private employee who's not in the to 1%. a house where you can work a job allowing you to live in the 1%? no chance rentoid.

and I don't get it. the govt pays for everything, no one owns anything. some people own a lot. and the rest is just mismanaged and no idea where that money goes. it's not even that the rich get that much richer or that new rich people are created. it's just a drain.

>>212103382
def true
but it feels like we're some kind of china+ for america. they take the ludicrous profits and leave us with peanuts.

I wouldn't want to have the american economy in 2025 tho. half of those american tech companies with billions of valuations just go under. it's probably some debt or tax scheme I reckon. probably israel.

>>212107270
I also have 500 years of prison time then, better get to it

>>212103236
Maybe facebook is fucking worthless but microsoft in particular defined home computers and millions of jobs rely on their technology so this is cope. Apple with all their fuckery have atleast pushed innovation as well

>>212101141
it's because the US has enforced a worldwide order with their guns and financial markets that just lets them print free money and export the inflation worldwide, this free money can then fund a bunch of useless dogshit companies that play by absolutely unfair rules, invent some retarded app service that lets users get a fourth job and leech from their labor, and just keep on not making any profits for 10 years until you've destroyed the previous infrastructure and now rule the market at which point you immediately turn everything into pure liquid shit and squeeze your userbase who now no longer have a choice
thankfully since the american world order is collapsing alongside their rusting military, subhuman capital, ailing bond market and cultural soft power the great satan will soon no longer be able to destroy modern existence with their faggot "startup" schemes and mankind will be better off

fuck you

>>212120246
>thankfully since the american world order is collapsing
?

>>212102897
Same lol neoliberalism is based

>>212120272
>failed reshoring
>failed in ukraine
>failed in iran
>will fail against china
>bond market is collapsing
>leadership is absolutely retarded if not senile
>half their allies are pivoting away
>takes 10 years to rebuild a bridge
>country is filled with crackheads
if you think the US empire will still be there in 20 years you haven't been paying attention.

>>212101083 (OP)
The American corpos fear the EU regulations.

>>212120161
Yeah hes a major retard. Global economy relies on Excel. Literally every single business entity in the world requires Excel. It is the single most important software in the world. Fish can't see the water thinks it does not exist, etc..

>>212101083 (OP)
Europeans have a much better comprehension of what matters in life.

>>212120410
Now this is a cope I've seen one

>failed reshoring
There has been a major manufacturing boom in the US.
>failed in ukraine
They bogged down Russia there without any American casuality
>failed in iran
Iran is nothing ever happens. Literally notified Qatar before the strike.
>will fail against china
Honestly doubt
>bond market is collapsing
Bond market there is still better than the Euro bond market. If not for ECB intervention Southern European bonds would cause a major economic disaster.
>leadership is absolutely retarded if not senile
It is just political theatre.
>takes 10 years to rebuild a bridge
Germany and many other countries are no different. And a lot of this is just construction costs. Construction workers in Manhattan make like 70 USD / hour. Do the math.
>country is filled with crackheads
This one is valid

>>212120161
>>212120592
Libreoffice is much better than Microsoft office and it's free.

>>212120747
dude, as much as I hate Excel now you're just trolling
t. uses LibreOffice at home

>>212101083 (OP)
We’re moving past governments and states towards a corporate future at an accelerating rate. We let this happen by electing cronies to office and handing corporations our power and freedom.

>>212120410
>>failed in ukraine
Europe's problem, not America's
>>failed in iran
They destroyed most of Iran's nuclear capability by bombing these 3 sites, we took out around 60% of their rocket firing capacity and assasinated key figures in both the nuclear program and IRGC, and within the span of a few hours established complete air superiority. Iran was bent over and fucked
>>will fail against china
The moment America closes its markets for Chinese imports the Chinese economy will take such a substantial hit that will cripple large parts of it, just look at the recent tarif war and what it did to chinese manufacturing
>bond market is collapsing
Like Hungarianon said, still better than Europe's
>>leadership is absolutely retarded if not senile
Yours is not much better, just a different kind of retarded
>>half their allies are pivoting away
Europe, Nato, and other allies are nothing without american military support, just look at how the NATO chief was practically sucking Trump's balls recently
>>takes 10 years to rebuild a bridge
Literally everywhere in the world is like this including in Europe
>>country is filled with crackheads
Deporting illegal aliens and enforcing the border will certainly help with that, which is what the current administration is going for

>>212101141
More republicans talking points, please

>>212120747
Office is probably the easiest of the product stack to place but even there the compatibility with Excel for quick insertion, etc. comes in handy

>>212120762
LibreOffice is much better than Excel but both are bad. Any serious data analyst uses Python and not Excel or some other spreadsheet program.

>>212120817
>the Chinese economy will take such a substantial hit that will cripple large parts of it, just look at the recent tarif war and what it did to chinese manufacturing
They just move onto other markets

>>212120832
The whole world runs on Excel. you are underestimating it
>uses Python
Yeah some industries like quants use Pandas or something to.. you are never going to guess. to work with Excel files quicker

>>212120862
Chine exported $525.65B last year to the US alone, that's not something that can be accounted for by just moving to other markets
Also I would imagine that if war breaks out and china tries to take Taiwan for example, Japan and some other countries would also close their markets to the Chinese, which would make the hit on their economy even harder.

>>212120877
Everyone uses Python and Polars is overtaking Pandas rn btw. Go to any lab at a uni and all the scientists are using Python (Matlab is more and more uncommon). Same at social science dept although R and stata are also used there. Any data driven workplace also runs on Python and to a lesser degree R.

>>212120877
>>212121010
No serious work is done in Excel now. Meaning that you can use any spreadsheet problem.

Why can’t Europe innovate?

>>212121060
Concorde was built and that is a render on a computer. Lets see if Americans can build it. Not going great with Boeing rn btw.

>>212121147
Seems to be going well with their prototype

>>212121236
They need to raise $5.4 billion or they'll go boom. So it makes sense that he would do some hypeposting. Here is a video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=415zXv8u3rI

If the EU is do weak why do American corpos always bend the knee

>>212121295
Meanwhile the CEO literally got Trump to lift the ban on overland supersonic flights here. Imagine trying to do something like that in Europe.

>>212121562
Supersonic flight was never banned in Europe. The US banned supersonic flights to stop Concorde (a European company).

>>212121626
>Supersonic flight was never banned in Europe
So how come Concorde was a flop?

>>212121660
You need to be able to sell to everyone if you are going to make it work because it's such an expensive program. Lots of US airlines dropped orders for the Concorde after the ban, which was the goal with the ban.

>>212121698
But I thought Europe didn't need America

>>212109463
>le us-eu divide
is this the new angle shills push?
seems honestly pathetic given that russia-iran "alliance" just fell apart

>>212101083 (OP)
No one cares what that little subhuman cheerleader for Peter Thiel has to say?

>>212109463
It's not as if the UK is doing much better