Thread 212157533

>What language(s) are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>List of trackers for most language‐learning packs:
https://files.catbox.moe/nmrn8x.txt
>Ukrainianon’s list of commercial courses from rutracker.org:
https://archive(dot)is/R2feT
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

FAQ:
>How do I learn a language? What is the best way to learn one? How should I improve on certain aspects?
Read the Wiki.
>Should I learn lang Y so I can learn lang X?
No.
>What is the most useful language?
if you're retarded, check the PLI:
https://www.kailchan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Kai-Chan_Power-Language-Index-full-report_2016_v2.pdf
if not... well, you wouldn't have asked the question
>What language should I learn?
none

Anyone else learning a language primarily for the literature? I'm reading Don Quixote right now.

>>212157533 (OP)
I know there are phonetic pangrams in IPA, but I’ve never heard or seen a grammatical pangram. For example, a paragraph with every verbal conjugation or every case declension.

>>212157803
let me make on for you
>Steinn gaf Steini steinn Steins

אתה הומו

>>212157675
I learn languages exclusively for literature
How is Don Quixote?

>>212157533 (OP)
I realized learning languages is a meme. First of all... is there ANY language for an English native to learn that isn't:

>spoken almost entirely in shithole countries where visiting is risking your life
Spanish, Arabic, Russian
>too fucking hard
Japanese, Mandarin, Korean
>country is dying and most of the speakers are brownoids now
French, German, Swedish

Literally no point to this shit.

>>212157533 (OP)
I hate how I can read Swedish relatively fine but I can't speak much of it but understand what is said to me

>>212158421
Romanian

>>212158421
^Weak

Say you have to learn 3 languages in 6 years, is it better to learn all of them at the same time or learn them consequentially one by one (2 years for each)?

>>212157803
I guess the closest thing to this for Chinese would be something with all the zhuyin or pinyin.

>>212159217
Cycling study periods. 4 months per language. 2 hours per day on main language of direct studying, maintenance of anki in backburner languages. 2 hours input minimum of main language, 1 hour of maintenance languages.

For example, if each cycle took you up a CEFR level, in one year you would be A1 in 3, in two you would be A2, in 3 you would be B1, in 4 B2, in 5 C1, and in 6 C2. (I don’t think progression would be nearly this linear but you get the point). You would also have like 2,500 hours of input in each.

>>212158575
Hur menar du nu?

>>212159760
Jag kan läsa svenska och förstår det bra, men jag kan inte tala det särskilt bra eftersom jag inte har någon att tala det med

and because I speak Norwegian and German among other related languages

>>212160238
hoppa in på /lang/-servern så kan vi alltid skitbreva

>Should I learn lang Y so I can learn lang X?
>no
what about learning tajik to learn farsi

after considerations I dropped German. Learning French and Japanese. Maybe Italian or Spanish in the future. I will only learn German if God sends me a blonde Erika or a lovely Turkish girl or if I emigrate there. Portuguese in the future when I have a planned flight to Brazil. They seem to be open people and with a general knowledge of Romance languages and with the understanding of the natives I should be able to gonna make it.

>>212162815
are you terrified of the abjad?

ATTENTION LEAF ANON
>ATTENTION LEAF ANON
ATTENTION LEAF ANON
>ATTENTION LEAF ANON
I HAVE A SMALL REQUEST FOR YOU
You probably still lurk even if you don't want to be associated with us anymore which I can understand but how about you implement this in your program and never mention who gave you this idea.
There should be a mode to read texts (AI generated, imported by user, or otherwise) a few words at a time, or a sentence at a time, and the program randomly abruptly pauses and tells the user to repeat back the previous sentence or predict the following sentence. Both of these would force the user to pay close attention to the text and practise using the language while they read.

>>212162815
>>no

>>212163918
maybe
>>212164961
why not

>>212160596
link?

How are dubs in Br Portuguese? Are they as good as Spanish?

>>212157675
I heard it's difficult to read even for native speakers. How long have you been learning Spanish?

>>212166394
They have better dubbs in anime than Spanish IMO

Do you like music in your TL?

>>212162815
such a retarded idea. I love the people who ask if they should learn latin before learning french/spanish/etc. Like no just learn what you want to learn right away

>>212158421
>>too fucking hard

>>212158421
all of the reasons you just gave are memes and you're being dramatic

>>212159217
definitely the latter. learn one for 2 years, then beigin the next one and just maintain the first one so you don't forget anything. then after 2 more years, begin the last language and maintain the first two. learning multiple languages at the same time is really dumb.

If everyone was encouraged to learn any language they want, rather than being pressured into the top 5 most popular languages, more English speakers would be bilingual.

>>212170150
Counter-point: Everyone should be encouraged to learn an easy popular language as their first language, so they can learn how to learn instead of spending most of their time fighting unnecessary obstacles like lack of resources and tools.

Where’s a good place to meet Germans for practicing German with? Almost every German I’ve met online has been weird and unpleasant
>inb4 /deutsch/

>>212170150
I did French in highschool literally just because as a Californian everyone was telling me to do Spanish. I’d been hearing Spanish all my life and it would have been far more “useful” but in my head I just associated it with kids who were missing half their teeth by the age of 7 and then were dealing meth on the middle school playground while swearing and talking shit in Spanish nonstop as if we were all incapable of understanding “Pinche Pendejo” after hearing it daily for our whole lives.

Basically, I didn’t want the “useful” language because the people who speak it where I am are smelly dirty rude poor invaders.

>>212170502
if you want to find real people on the internet, you have to use video chat. it's really that simple. Weirdos hiss when video chat is mentioned.

It's amazing that some Western Low German dialects managed to preserve the "sk" sound while it became "sch" in most of Germany
>Mensk, sköön

I would like to learn Mandarin. Work will pay for rosetta stone licenses and give me study leave, but if there are better resources I would prefer to use those. I've seen Grace Mandarin mentioned a lot but there is no structure nor order to her videos. Even rosetta stone seems superior. If I want to spend corporate dollarydoos on Mandarin lessons, where can I get the most bang for buck?

>>212171402
will they pay for italki lessons, or any other private lessons? that's probably going to be the most effective thing available. a trained native to give you instant feedback and keep you on the right track.

>>212171402
Private lessons. If you mean textbooks, and if you’re working towards working with the Taiwanese and thus want Traditional Character knowledge as well, the old Defrancis Chinese books are excellent IMO.

>>212170502
Have you tried Germany?

>>212172398
I am germanon and i cant speak it correct, dont try

If you can learn what you've learned already, then you can learn the rest of it too.

>>212171532
>>212171798
Thanks guys. Work has not historically paid for private lessons over group courses, but they're leaning into that sort of stuff recently. Hopefully I can appeal for some private lessons.

If you're learning a language and don't plan on using it for at least 1 hour of cumulative time per week, you will never reach a high level and you will also forget everything and waste your time.

>>212170423
>learn how to learn
Kek.
Definitely something that public school is teaching in regards to a second language for English speakers, but that's besides the point. Struggling through a popular language they don't like totally doesn't turn normies off from ever committing to a second language. If anything, encouraging people to engage more with their native language would before effective in that goal.

If you can't see yourself living in the country where the natives live, don't learn the language.

>>212173617
>encouraging people to engage more with their native language would before effective in that goal.

why do they speak so fast in podcasts? I can't follow at all. And all the podcasts where they speak slowly are beginner level, teaching you how to say hello and goodbye and stuff.

I wanna improve my listening, but the podcasts are too hard to follow

>>212173283
>>212173845
This is true. Also think directly about the native people themselves: do you want to speak to these people? Do you want to be around them, to work with them, to cooperate with them? If not, don't learn it.

>>212173858
*would be more
Autocorrect
>>212173877
Podcasts usually have an output speed option.

Getting a little depressed thinking about the impossibility of truly learning a language. It's not just vocab and grammar, but the entire cultural tradition of the country whose language you're learning.
Like, in English I can naturally make jokes about how a knight from Chivalric romance might talk, or how a king might talk to a peasant, or how a peasant might talk to a king, and I can imitate a pompous upper class British person, and I can do a shitty Australian accent, and I can even imitate how an ESL speaker might speak English depending on which region they come from (because the mistakes an Indian makes are different from the mistakes a Chinese person makes). I can do a Southern accent, a Boston accent, an old-timey transatlantic accent, I can imitate the stereotypical mannerisms of a cowboy, or a noir detective, using all the correct vocab, cadence, etc that goes along with those imitations.
And I wonder if I'll ever get to that level in my target language. Probably not, right? I'll only ever be able to achieve basic communication. I'm learning French. If you asked me to imitate Quebecois French I wouldn't know where to start. Let alone imitating different regional accents or knight's manner of speaking from french Chivalric romances. And French isn't even THAT different from general anglophone culture. It all shares the same history through medieval Europe to Ancient Greece. I can't even imagine learning something like Chinese and haven't to build your cultural knowledge from scratch starting with Ancient China.
Anyways, that's my rant for today. Time to grind some anki.

>>212174230
people are able to do that. a russian guy on youtube named victortalks regularly makes fun of other chinese accents, so it's possible. i think that ryanhale kid does too because he learned the beijing accent and people comment on it.

>>212173962
>Podcasts usually have an output speed option.
it doesn't sound natural if its not at 1x speed

Looking different than the natives is a bad thing unless you're attractive.

>>212174730
>I can't be accommodated

>>212175181
I get told often that I look like a native speaker of my TL (or otherwise from a similar country) even before I committed to learning it, even though I have no such heritage.

>card was a leech
>card was a leech
>card was a leech
>card was a leech
>card was a leech
>card was a leech
kill me

>>212174230
It's just more stuff to learn and if you are actually interested in French culture you will learn it eventually.
And yes, in the case of Chinese, Japanese or Arabic it's an absolutely enormous amount of stuff, and you do need to know a lot of it to understand idiomatic speech. That's a big part of why those languages are considered so difficult.
But it's still just more stuff to learn.
If you want to be more depressed, remember that in the same way that you lack full familiarity with French culture, you also lack it even with American culture with people much younger or older than you. If you are white you don't really know black culture, and so on. Your fluency bubble doesn't even fully cover your own country.

>>212158421
You could literally turn Germany into a giant puddle of lava and it would still somehow be the most powerful and important country in europe, so no. As long as there's a single german left there he'll probably fix everything and equal the entire economic output of several brown countries by himself.

I KNOW I KNOW I will receive a meaningless reply to this, but that's just how it is. Germany isn't losing its economic power or anything, or its importance, for at least a few hundred years.

>>212159217
The answer is the same either way, but if they're 3 related languages you would focus on one at a time, the easiest one first, and take advantage of your experience carrying over to the harder ones. If they're unrelated and this doesn't help you still do them one at a time.

Odds are each language won't REALLY take two years, there will be hard ones and easy ones - and of course, whatever language you start first will have the most hours since you'll have to learn + maintain - so if they're not related you might actually want to do the harder one first so that it becomes more natural to you.

>>212176516
Honestly, I'm out of touch with "my own" culture, what difference does it make if I don't know everything about the culture I wish to be a part of?

>>212173283
What is "using it?" Do you have some special definition for this?
Because reading and watching youtube videos I do for like 30 hours a week probably, and any normal person would say reading a book I want to read is using it, but I'm sure you have some special definition if you're putting the bar at 1 hour a week.

Languages are easier to maintain the higher your level is, but reaching a high level requires a lot of time and effort, so you should learn 1 or 2 languages to the highest level.

>>212178470
that post is mostly to deter people from learning wanting attention for learning snowflake languages

and to deter people trying to become some polyglot, because it's not a real thing. actual polyglots are youtubers making money and rich kids who have a trustfund and can just travel with no job

>>212178707
IDK, I could probably be a polyglott by 30. I've got one TL already at B2 / C1, if I chose some easy meme languages like Italian and French I could actually just learn those in a few years by association, depends on what you mean by "polyglott."
5? 6? Because for me it would literally just mean more than 2 TL's, since that's extremely out of reach for most people. This is achievable if you pick similar languages that are all easy so instead of knowing 4 you actually just know 1 of 3 different flavors.

>>212173283
>1 hour of cumulative time per week
Did you mean per day?

>>212178707
>actual polyglots are youtubers
>youtubers
>actual
>polyglots

>>212177512
Awww...

>>212179105
the implication is that they're not, theyre just youtubers trying to make money with entertainment

I fear not the man who's practiced a thousand languages. I fear the man who's practiced one language a thousand times.

>>212181799
lol you fear me

>>212181799
I fear not the man who's practiced one language a thousand times, I fear the man who's tried choosing which language to learn a thousand times.

advantages of knowing russian in 2025?

>>212182089
Being able to understand Russian and communicate in Russian.

japanese
norwegian
swedish
finnish
icelandic
german
dutch
french
italian
spanish
portuguese
english

may have missed some small ones but whatever, these are the only languages in places that have a high air quality. i will not learn a language from a place with poor air quality. simple as.

Learn Japanese

I don't get the point of paid duolingo. The main benefits are unlimited hearts and the ability to skip things. But I want to learn the language, not win duolingo trophies, so why would I want no consequences for mistakes (which you learn from) and to bypass hard learning tasks?

>>212158421
>too fucking hard
Skill issue

>>212185829
Because you need to wait like 6 hours to get one heart back

>>212186015
Or play a few ads in a row, they give you one for each

>>212185829
Free Duolingo punishes you for making mistakes. This is antithetical to language learning: you have to make mistakes to learn a language, not be afraid of them.

I cannot imagine why anyone would want to skip things.

>>212186130
My life is largely based on fear, I need consequences and deadlines to take stuff seriously.

>>212186054
It won't matter soon. Duolingo is moving to an energy system that will take away energy points whether you got it right or wrong. A free user will be able to do only 3 lessons/day.

>>212157533 (OP)
What looks like the best dialect to you?

>>212186484
Lisbon

>>212165709
>why not
language learning plans and strategies are gay
just go tackle whatever you wanna learn

i tied duolingo for like 30 minutes and it was totally garbage lol stay away from that crap

>>212186746
I'm a beginner, I'll move to other stuff once I'm off A1

>>212186746
Yeah I'm fairly convinced there is NEVER EVER a reason to open it, you spend so much time thinking of other bullshit instead of the language on that thing. The entire "learning a language" thing is almost a second thought when you're on it, it's like expecting to learn a language because you put your minimap in battlefield to chinese.

Like, just take out all of the time spent with the dings and beeps and other bullshit and put in language instead and it might be somewhat useful - I think the very way it's made destroys concentration and memory. Literally ALL I remember from it is the beep sound when you get something right and what the characters looked like.

>>212187155
>Literally ALL I remember from it
Yo comos manzanas

Well, my 1/10th of a book a day for a year goal is going pretty good now, even with this book that's 570 pages long so I have to read 57 every day - we'll see if the weekend fucks it up, but even if it does it's recoverable. 36 books by June of 2026? Easily doable, EZPZ. I should be on to reading the classics by then.

And yeah you don't have to ideasguy or advicefag me about this, I already know what you were going to type and was told it already.

>>212187232
No s at the end of the verb

>>212187360
But its a plural right? Multiple apples? Maybe duolingo sucks after all

>>212157533 (OP)
Ok so now that I've bought into the comprehensible input hypothesis, how do I actually find material on my level?

>>212186484
The one in sertanejo

VERY SERIOUS QUESTION
does it make sense to learn many languages only superficially?
i dont mean this the way youtuber faggots pretend to know 54 languages because they can say "i suck fat cocks" in all of them, but as a way to understand how they work at a high level, how their "skeleton" looks like.
am i making sense? is it a stupid idea? discuss

>>212173919
This is why I’ll never learn Spanish. I’ve never heard Spanish that I actually wanted to understand or from people I particularly respect. Japanese and Mandarin on the other hand…

>>212187729
Depends a lot on your TL and level. If you're complete beginner, you can grab Assimil, the nature method books, or literally any textbook that contains a decent amount of text and audio. If you know some words, you can start with A1 graded readers and search for graded learner content on YouTube. Once you've built up a significant amount of vocabulary, you can follow your interests and read/listen/watch whatever you want while doing lookups.

>>212188151
depends on your objective

i think it's cool to have a basic superficial grasp of many languages

>>212188204
Alternatively, you can just brute force input native content day one and ankigoon a couple thousand words and then mine from content.

But nature method is excellent IMO.

>>212188288
i dont have objectives
i fucking love languages but there are too many of them and a lifetime isnt enough to learn all of them properly

>>212188300
>Alternatively, you can just brute force input native content day one and ankigoon a couple thousand words and then mine from content.
Brute-forcing native content isn't comprehensive input, though.
>>212187729
Look for material specifically for your level, it's out there. The only material truly lacking is when you transition from material made for "learners" to "native material."
There are plenty of podcasts out there, graded readers, textbooks, ECT that apply specifically to the earlier levels of input, and the only level that doesn't really have good content is when you make the huge jump from non-native to native material - at that point you just massively increase your input amount to cross that gap before you get demoralized.

>>212188151
>>212188348
If you're a language enjoyer and find it like a hobby almost like learning about history is, I'd say yeah. You could add it to your program every day to just learn about linguistics and various languages - yeah, a lifetime isn't enough, but you lose nothing if whatever you're thinking of doing is just a little fun side project that doesn't take away from you focusing on a couple languages you really lock down.

from what i've gathered, you want to use anki on the top 1000 most common words so that you can then use any input you want and it will be comprehensible enough that you get to bypass all of the content that's literally for babies. a 5 year old child will know about 2000 words, apparently, at least for english.

>>212188195
>Mandarin
DO
NOT

>>212188204
>>212188669
There is no graded content or learners materials for georgian.
F
I was impressed to find some things labeled a1 movies on youtube (other langs) but I have no idea if there is enough volume for me as I want to just put something on in the background for 16 hours

>>212188151
Depends what you mean by superficially. It's much easier to learn to input several languages than it is to output languages. Learning to actually speak a language is most time consuming part. You could probably get a pretty good reading grasp of 8-9 languages if you don't care about outputting.

>>212188813
春种一粒粟,
秋收万颗子。

Mandarin is a fruit, not a language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SLJJc8siyU

>>212188814
if you're A1 NEVER EVER use passive input, literally the most retarded thing I could think of.
At A1 you should just put in the required hours of focused input to get to A2 and above, up until B1 really. At B1 that's when input starts being interesting and you really start learning, and that's also when the time needed starts rapidly increasing.
Basically if you were to do 10 hours of passive input at A1 you could instead just not do that stupid shit and actively input instead and get 5% of your way to A2, the levels are so small you might as well just actually put some effort into it and stop being a dabblecuck loser redditor.

You just have to go for it at such an early level, do the most efficient and quick thing you can, because you really have no good reason to play around in such a low level making no progress.

>>212188814
Sounds like it’s time to ankigoon and input. Basically it’s just gonna suck ass but if you make your own cards with a frequency list then for that first few months you’ll find that if you’re doing some input then every day you’ll recognize new words you just ankigooned.

Also, there might be old stuff from the diplomatic services of the government of any given english speaking country on the language. Is there a US embassy in Georgia? Don’t be a pussy, just leverage your adult brain and spend a bit of time getting yourself over that initial hurder of nothing being comprehensible.

>>212189023
Yes basically this. A little bit of diligence in the early stages is better than a lot of lazy input, while late-beginner to intermediate is all about just maximizing time in the language.

>>212188813
the DO NOT meme is just a meme. it's probably one of the better TL choices.

- gigantic population of east asian people, even by 2100 will still be at least 1 billion people apparently
- they make a lot of stuff
- none of them know english

definitely better than the snowflake choices some goofballs here are making

>>212189089
Tbh I’ve just grown up around a lot of Asians, have always respected them, and always wanted to read their writing.

>>212188814
There’s a cold war era FSI textbook on basic Georgian online. They’re rigorous and boring but the 60s style of repetitive audio is amazingly effective for self-study IMO. I went from aimlessly ankigooning chinese and struggling every day to blasting through and being able to use a semesters worth of material in about a month just spamming the audios and rereading for like 1-2 hours a day in Mandarin with an old text. Now I can watch 喜洋洋 and actually ankigoon effectively.

>>212189089
>he hasn't seen the thread by the American Mandarin learner who worked in China

>>212189089
You dont understand, I saw a 10 year old greentext about a russian steel worker, besides China is going to collapse soon or something

>>212188151
My opinion is that it's better to reach a moderate level with each language you study because you're far more likely to actually retain most of it compared to just studying it to a low level and then moving on
If you're ok with studying a bunch of languages and then losing knowledge of them immediately then fine but I doubt you love the process that much

>>212158421
>too foo fucking hard
>Japanese, Mandarin, Korean
I am learning japanese, mandarin, and korean, all to fluency. This is my cross to bear.

I'm trying to make a PAO mnemonic system like the memory athletes use for numbers but mapped to letters for memorizing words.

>>212189684
>Learning all 3 asians
Wtf..... kind of based if you ever get good at it, better than my chud stack of Italian, German, Spanish, and Japanese.

>>212188718
Anki really does not stop being useful. It stops being necessary, but not useful.
I used it up until the 4,000-mark, and at that point I thought I didn't need it, I stopped using it, and it really slowed down my progress. It was just a supplement at that point - like 10 or 20 minutes a day - but those 20 minutes would have saved me probably hundreds of hours in the end if I just stuck with it. When you get advanced it should become a relatively minor part of your study, where you just spend like 10 minutes learning / reviewing some stuff each day.

I could never pick it back up after I stopped, the habit was dead. Now I just input for 5 hours a day (minimum)

>>212190111
how many cards do you go through in 10-20 minutes

>>212190367
For me it was all of them that anki said I had to do.
At higher levels I just click "good" for all of them because I'm just priming for input anyway, for low levels you really have to nail them down but for higher levels I'm just trying to get through with them and get a rough idea of what they mean so that the next time I see them in the wild I won't have to guess and won't be slowed down.
And this was with 20 new cards a day (default setting)

>>212189023
You vastly underestimate the levels of A1 and B1. Everything you said is right except when you say "A1" you mean beginner and when you say B1 you mean A1

>>212188348
Sounds like you should study linguistics

>>212191308
>You vastly underestimate the levels of A1 and B1
Yeah, I think I do. I was going off "official hours" like those mattered at all.
They ARE shitter ranks, especially the A-ranks, but B1 really is where language learning starts being a real thing instead of just a dabbler thing. Yeah,

I sort of doubt a "real" A1 / A2 even exists though, like I never felt like I was really learning and remembering anything until I was well into content that everyon would have called B1 / B2 range. Before that it was just too murky, to the point where all of those A1 / 2 benchmarks were kind of pointless.

>>212191550
>B1 really is where language learning starts being a real thing instead of just a dabbler thing.
No, B1 is when you can live in a TL country without much trouble.

Official definition:
Can understand the main points of clear standard input on familiar matters regularly encountered in work, school, leisure, etc. Can deal with most situations likely to arise whilst travelling in an area where the language is spoken. Can produce simple connected text on topics which are familiar or of personal interest. Can describe experiences and events, dreams, hopes & ambitions and briefly give reasons and explanations for opinions and plans.

You may be confusing B1 with "B1 at reading comprehension" which indeed means a beginner

>>212191631
>You may be confusing B1 with "B1 at reading comprehension" which indeed means a beginner
I only consider input level in all of this, I pretty much discard the rankings for output because it's not gonna line up at all with what a self-taught person will find useful.

It's just that until you're much much higher in comprehension of general things you aren't gonna be a B1 outputter. For people here, who are all self-taught those rankings that include output of any kind are pretty much useless because listening comprehension and reading are gonna be the things they're learning.

Yeah, I've sort of discarded a lot of this useless knowledge on rankings in exchange for being pragmatic. I realize when people in this general say B1 / B2 they actually just mean they input that much, not that they can actually live their day-to-day lives in said country while outputting.

>>212191631
>Can deal with most situations likely to arise whilst travelling in an area where the language is spoken
This isn't the level where you can live in said country without much trouble though, at this level you aren't understanding a lot of what's on TV or radio or what people say day-to-day or anything, because clear standard input is fairly rare. Sounds like you're halfway talking about B2, at B1 it's still a struggle to do basic things because it still needs to be clear and standard to a certain degree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv_nEUnhFFE

B1 test btw, this is an extremely low level of ability - especially for someone who has been specifically studying to be able to pass said test and who's more familiar than just the average person not studying to answer these kinds of questions.

This isn't a comfortable or usable level for speaking or listening, this is "clear and concise basic questions."

you don't know shit until C level

>>212192241
^^^^^^This.
Just watch interviews of B1 / B2.
The descriptions might say "able to do X task" but that's just a description that assumes goodwill of everyone involved, at B2 everyone will still think you're some retarded foreigner who just got there a week ago. When you're not talking about how you live in a house and you like walks on the beach you don't know what to talk about until you're at C1, then you can finally start actually acting like a normal person instead of just "getting by" in X country as a tourist.

>>212183807
ok

does anyone know how to get global hotkeys in anki
(able to do cards via hotkey while doing other windows)

there used to be an add-on for this once upon a time but now its dead
it would be a huge game changer I could do anki for hours

>>212191631
>b1 is where you can live in the country without trouble
that is most certainly b2.
b1 is enough that you can go on a *trip* to a country (without the ability to make real friends or handle a workplace)

>>212191703
Even people who take lessons still have a much higher level of inpoot comprehension, it's completely normal to have C1 comprehension while being B1

>>212191956
This is not an extremely low level of ability, you just see it that way as a native speaker but it takes forever to get to this level in a foreign language. Half of self-proclaimed internet C1's would do worse than this. Outpoot is hard.

>>212157675
Yeah that's I do I've learned French and Spanish, read Don Quixote last summer right now I'm reading La nausée, just finished Monte-Cristo.

>>212174230
I'm learning French too. Québécois accent is easy to imitate, just pretend you're a Southerner speaking French.

Been learning Spanish for the last week. Doing Rosetta Stone, Duolingo, and Dreaming Spanish all at once. Being a NEET helps because I spend a LOT of fucking time every day doing this stuff. The hardest one is honestly Dreaming Spanish because the videos are so fucking boring. Shel is fucking cute, though. I tried watching Pepa Pig in Spanish, but the fucking animal sounds were too much to deal with. I feel like I've learned a lot in the short time I've been doing it, but would still like to be able to talk to someone IRL. Language classes at the local community college are usually five days a week or a an entire afternoon for two days a week and I don't know if I want to commit to that, because I am theoretically trying to get a job.
Anyway, don't forget to like and subscribe.

>>212194382
>the videos are so fucking boring.
have you tried listening to reggaeton it can be quite poetic

>>212190111
>It was just a supplement at that point - like 10 or 20 minutes a day - but those 20 minutes would have saved me probably hundreds of hours in the end if I just stuck with it.
Trips of truth.
I still use Anki, but all my cards are audio cards (audio front, TL text back). I can't imagine not using it.

>>212195407
Oh, and all the audio cards are clips that previously I couldn't understand. So I'm grinding my blind spots.

how is your target language going anonkun

>>212194382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl6NsODtZi8

>mayan languages have VOS word order
the fuck