Thread 212178772

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Previous Thread: >>212165725

Wow much threads such AliveJT

I don't like this thread anymore

今、聴いてる曲は何ですか?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUQinxVAf8o
この曲めっちゃ好き

>>212183265
this is wrong on so many levels

>>212184051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftZNbxuB-Zo

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20250627/k10014846281000.html
こりゃあ早い

誰一人来ませんでした

I came across 襲 and I can't imagine something more conolex than that. I almost went insane trying to draw it on my phone to find out its meaning.
Also, is the number of components related to the number of "syllables" in a kanji?

>>212178772 (OP)
乙
デレステ万歳

>>212184051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jaEv7guJv8&

>>212178772 (OP)
anons
i am an american staying with a host family in sendai
would it be rude to ask them about the 2011 tsunami? i don't want to be insensitive

>>212189542
そんなカワイイこと言ってると襲っちゃうゾ! (｢・ω・)｢ｶﾞｵｰ

>>212189569
all you can ask the sendai people is about date masamune and darth vader, okay? >:3

>>212189796
what does darth vader have to do with sendai

>>212190404
his armor based on 黒漆五枚胴具足 worn by masamune, cooool B^)

>>212178772 (OP)
Those girls are super cute ^_^

we need u149 girls in Norway :D

>>212178772 (OP)
impregnate uzuki
kill everyone else

>>212191380
yes sir, filip (｀･ω･´)ゞ

ペニスラケット

>>212190771
>その女の子たちがとっても可愛い( ＾∀＾)
同国人に賛成する!
スカートを巻き上げて顔におしっこしたらいいなぁ…

>>212190883
アイドルマスターは見たことがない、おすすめ?アイドルとかあまりに興味ないが、可愛いなら大丈夫
先日メダリストを観た。キモオタだと思いきや、マジで感動された。

>>212192144
if you don't like anime for キモオタ, I won't recommend アイマス for you~ (*´3(´꒳`*)ﾁｭｯ

思ひきや 後の世までと 頼めしを
恋ひ死ねとての 契りなりとは

>>212192445
好きじゃない訳じゃない。おしっこにさせてもらいたいほどキモオタっす。本物の変態獣。ただ、思った以上感情的なアニメだ(*´꒳`*)

>>212192629
おっすおしっこ派兄貴、ボテ腹と孕ませ派キチガイだ! (。-`ω-)

>>212192629
>>212192920
yay me too, my frens (*´･ω･)(･ω･｀*)ﾈｰ

(ﾟДﾟ)<死ね

>>212192920
おっす、変態共

>>212192942
変態兄弟分、集合しろ!!!!!

>>212187154
ういぃぃぃぃぃぃっす

>>212189542
when the kanjI gets too complex it might be easier to search by parts, Jisho has a button on the bottom right corner called "radicals" (on mobile) where you can select each part and a list appears with kanji that contain that part. For example 襲 can be looked up with 衣 立 and 月, you might not be familiar with some parts but you might recognize 立 and 月, right? If you take your time it might be easier, and it'll only get easier for you as you progress

>>212193378
>衣 立 and 月,
Uh, I use google translate to draw kanji. I drew 音, 与 and 衣 first as reference then mixed them.

襲
衣に、龍
to put on more clothing over the top, 襲(かさ)ねる
to take on, to inherit, 襲(つ)ぐ
to follow after, 襲(つ)ぐ
to assault, 襲(おそ)う

>襲 左衽袍 从衣 龖省聲
襲: a robe with left lapel folded inside; from 衣, 龖 abbreviated gives voice

>>212194149
literally (｢・ω・)｢ｶﾞｵｰ

>>212189542

The complexity of a character has nothing to do with how it sounds. It’s just an annoying result of how Chinese characters developed in the first place.

The theory behind Chinese is that you start out with a small number of pictures representing some basic things in nature or abstract concepts like "tree", "river", "mountain", "middle", "over", "under", then simplifying them into symbols (木,川,山,中,上,下), then, with enough of these basic symbols, you can spell out every word approximately. Like a rebus puzzle. So 木 "mu" can stand for tree, but can also spell out the similar sounding word "mu" "bath".

The big problem with this is ambiguity. They needed to be careful when choosing which words to borrow. So to spell out cat ("mrew"), they couldn't use a symbol related to animals or people. It needed to be something that rarely gets confused with cats. So they spelt it with the symbol for weeds 苗 "mrew". Later, they added the symbol for "long spined beast" 豸to the left of it to make it even less ambiguous. That's where we get modern 猫. This is how most chinese characters came about.

The whole process of borrowing characters, trying to use abstract characters, adding symbols to make it less ambiguous and then potentially using those characters as borrowings have led to some ugly characters entering the language.

In your case, looking at wiktionary, to spell "attack" "lyub" they borrowed an abstract character, the clothing counter "lyub" 襲, which, in turn, borrows the the very abstract character 龖 "lüb" "vista of dragon in flight", which is a doubled from the character of “dragon” 龍, but using the single form for simplicity, then adding the symbol 衣 "garment" underneath to make it less ambiguous for the clothing counter meaning.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of characters like this.

>>212189542
Since other anons have already given you detailed explanations, I'll give you some other characters that have the same reading as 襲 (しゅう) in modern Japanese.

>囚
>収
>州
>周
>習
>終
>秋
>集
>臭
>就
>衆
>修
>週
>愁
>洲
>酬
>襲
>蹴
>and so on

Notice that you can form groups by bundling kanji together which share the same component.

ここすき :D

>>212193247
サングラス掛けてない-114514

>>212201205
伸び伸びパンツ(*>_<*)ｸﾞｲｸﾞｲｯ

>>212199768
やれやれ

insane number of people standing by
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYVEIX7nSEs&ab_channel=saba
【VTUBER DEBUT】yoho! i'm saba!

>>212202313
same desu! :O

It seems more and more people are getting into role-playing, fictional, or half-fictional men or women, or actresses engaging in special services on that matter, than real neighbors.
No wonder birth rates are plummeting globally.

>>212202640
seriously, siri ass lee _(:3」∠)_

>>212202426
ところでなぜに鯖なんだろうか…
ていうかサバって諸外国(<-範囲が広すぎる)でも日常的に食べられてる魚なんですか?

>>212202640
外食は高すぎる、男女は普通に同じ趣味ではないので、どこで会えばいいの?同じ趣味なら、間違いなくレズはずだ。
二次元女の子は無料で可愛い〜

>>212202842
サバならトルコにまかせろ〜! <・><

>>212203109
おいしそう
彼ら地中海でも元気でやってるんだな

咳

>>212199768
はいどうぞお好きなように ( ˘ω˘)ｽﾔｧ

関 堰
せく to obstruct, to block to dam

葦引の 山した水の こがくれて
たぎつ心を せきそかねつる

nixtupon'gomuzukasii...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCp_nJd_1xQ

oh my...

>>212209920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piHEbM4AxR0
日本の将来=淫夢厨老害地獄

子にちわっr わたっし 女hぬ でっす
ど よう ライク アムりか?

الموت لأمريكا

Everyone wants me dead

萌え出づるも 枯るるも同じ 野辺の草 何れか秋に あはで果つべき

佛も昔は凡夫なり われらも終には佛なり 何れも仏性具せる身を 隔つるのみこそ悲しけれ

サバサンド
イスタンブールで
探さんと

どーせ無駄に高い

なつのよは 浦島のこが はこなれや
はかなくあけて くやしかるらん

かくてこの世にあるならば、又も憂き目にあはんずらん。今はただ身を投げんと思ふなり

に、日本語でおk(;＾ω＾)

>>212222222
見てみましょうか?

>>212222329
>おチンコの写真
すいません。。。

>>212222373
芋だったよ! batat batat ;3

>>212222433
そうでしたか?我らは同性愛者では御座いませんので、写真を拡大のが遠慮しときましたわ。。。其方はどのような気であるかしら?

>>212222666
>おニャンコの写真
僕も同性愛者じゃないけど
お●ンコは好きだよ(*ﾉｪﾉ)ｷｬｰ

>>212222914
正直に写真を拡大して見てはした。ちょっと意地悪をしたかっただけだ。嘘をついたごめんねっ!
別にち〇こは好きではないけど、嫌いでもない。所持者が可愛いなら。。。好きかも

僕がインド人だから手伝ってください

^
だめだこいつ

悪気以外何も持てない猫

>>212223829
悪意に満ちた…kot! Σ:3

自分をゆっくりと殺す
少しずつ殺害

>>212224442
>少しずつ
ハンバーガーで?

>>212224442
with alcohol or cigars? X(

Just to show you how chinese characters come about through borrowing and possibly adding a "clarifying" character to create a duel "phono-semantic" modern chinese character, here is a table. I ordered like this:

>character
>modern Japanese kan'on-on'yomi pronunciation (these come from literary Chinese pronunciations based on Tang Dynasty official speech i.e. medieval Xi'anese)
>English
>probable ancient Chinese pronunciation (as reckoned by Baxter-Sagart)
>modern Wu pronunciation (Wu being a very conservative modern Chinese dialect)
>how the character came about

白, はく, white, brak, baq, (白 possibly a seed or acorn pictogram)
拍, はく, clap, phrak, paq, (手 + 白 hand-phrak)
迫, はく, urge, prak, paq, (辵 simplified to 辶 + 白 walk-phrak)
泊, はく, overnight, b'aq, boq , (水 simplified to 氵+ 白 water-phrak)

全, せん, whole, dzon, zhi, (入 one unit + 玉 jade)
栓, せん, plug/peg, sron, son, (木 + 全 wood-dzon)
詮, せん, discussion, slon, tsin, (言 + 全 talk-dzon)

召, しょう, summon, draw-s, zau, (刀 + 口 taw(blade)-mouth)
沼, しょう, marsh, dews, tsau, (水 simplified to 氵+ 召 water-draw-s)
招, しょう, beckon, tjew, tsau, (手 + 召 hand-draw-s)
昭, しょう, shine, taw, tsau, (日 + 召 sun-draw-s)

Interesting to note how the clarifying symbol (the semantic component) tends to be on the left while the borrowed character (the phonetic component) tends to be on the right. This isn't always the case, but when a chinese or japanese speaker comes across a character they don't know, but they recognize the rightmost part, they will try to pronounce it like that.

>>212195790

That's true. If you look at the Joyo kanji list and sort by pronunciation, you will see a lot of repeating elements:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_j%C5%8Dy%C5%8D_kanji

>一切諸法 如幻化相 汝今不應 有所懼也
all phenomena are like to the nature of illusory manifestations - you need not now have any thing to fear
>所以者何 一切言説 不離是相
why is this? all words and speech do not differ from this nature
>至於智者 不著文字 故無所懼
those who have arrived at wisdom do not attach themselves to words, and therefore fear nothing
>何以故 文字性離 無有文字 是則解脱
and why is this? the essence of words is of detachment, and nowhere do words exist - this is liberation
>解脱相者 則諸法也
this nature of liberation is, then, all phenomena

ワシにはわからんアホじゃけぇ( ･ิω･ิ)

I learned about けり and now I'm more motivated to study Japanese

ここにかわいい猫がいる!!!!

>>212226636
meow mraow (ΦωΦ)

我ならぬ 草葉もものは 思ひけり
袖より外に おけるしらつゆ

今日は麻雀で国士無双の役満に振り込んだ
WAO‼ ＼(^o^)/ｼﾆﾏｽ

a

n

a

n

u

k

Another example of a series of borrowings comes to create a very complex character.

各, "krak", old character for "enter", (夂 "footprint" at an 口 "opening")
路, "ke'raks", street, (足 + 各 leg-krak)
露, "p'raks", dew, (雨 + 路 rain-ke'raks)

Used to spell Japanese つゆ (dew). 21 characters, one of the most complex characters in the Joyo.
The most complex character is 鬱 at 29 characters. This is appropriately used to spell "depression" うつびょう (鬱病).
This is just an example of complex character changes.
The two trees 木 at the top are there because is was originally depicting a man stepping on another man between two trees to depict the "downtrodden" meaning. When the character was borrowed to represent "ceremonial wine", the characters morphed into a jar 缶 and lid 冖, and a chalice with herbs 鬯 with three added strokes 彡 was added, creating the modern character

asco言うたでこの子! Σ(ﾟ∀ﾟﾉ)ﾉｷｬｰ

>>212235648
I'm too low IQ for this

a

( ˘ω˘)ｽﾔｧ

Is this a common mistake when writing by hand? Anyway, it's relatable because I've mixed up 幸 and 辛 many times.

>吸血鬼だから初々しいに見えるとは言えども、彼女は実に百年齢以上ので未成年ではありません。
>...
>勘弁してお巡りさん、見逃してくれよ

>>212247671
トルコ語とノルウェー語は似ている、知っている?びっくりした。

>>212249179
In this particular case it could be intentional? It is a cooking anime after all, maybe it was done in the vein of something like 辛いもの食べられて幸せ~
>>212250504
ユーチューブのお勧め欄でそんな感じの動画が出てきたような気がする
けど正直ちょっと信じがたいな

>>212251147
That would make sense but in this case it wasn't intentional. In this scene, the character who wrote it admitted it was a mistake.

>>212232262
I guess probably you took that straight from wiktionary, but you should notice it has no cited sources and might be someone's original speculation.

the entry in the 説文解字 for 鬱 is:
>鬱:木叢生者。从林,𩰪省聲
鬱: trees closely growing together; from 林, with 𩰪 in abbreviated form giving voice

𩰪 is an obscure character for a concoction of fragrant herbs, as the 説文 also explains:
>𩰪:芳艸也。十葉為貫,百廾貫築以煑之為𩰪。从𦥑、冂、缶、鬯;彡,其飾也。
𩰪: fragrant grasses; ten leaves make one 貫, and one hundred twenty 貫 pounded together and then boiled make one 𩰪; from 𦥑, 冂, 缶, and 鬯; 彡 is its decoration

the most likely original meaning for 鬱 is the "lush; luxuriant; exuberant; dense; thick" meaning, as in 鬱蒼, 鬱然, and the "depressed" meaning is derived from this, in the sense of the mind being clouded

In A Student's Dictionary of Classical and Medieval Chinese (Revised Edition) by Paul W. Kroll, 鬱 is defined in this way:
>1. densely growing, thickly massed; clustered, crushed together; esp. of vegetation or of clouds and mists.
>a. rdup., jungly and jumbled, densely and darkly forested; closely clustered, matted mesh, bunched and clumped; also, the mental equivalent of this state, ->2a.
>2. heaviness of mind, mental stasis; gloom.
>a. rdup. or (bn.) ~悒 yùyì (MC 'jut-'ip), feeling stifled and smothered, grim and glum, dour and depressed, with thoughts bound and knotted.

>page 10
バンプ

>>212253893
>it has no cited sources
There is one in the Revision history
> Glyph origin: 季旭昇《說文新證》 p434, https://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/lexi-mf/search.php?word=%E9%AC%B1
which I cannot read :>

>>212253893
>>212257808

I have no doubt that figuring out these character origins is an inexact science.
The wiktionary explaination is convincing because it includes illustrations of the supposed original oracle bone characters. But who knows if that is just a reconstruction too.

もし誰かが「Hi! How are you? I am so-so!」と言ったら、「この人はゲイでバカだ」と思います

>>212259561
I'm fine, thank you! :3

>>212259561
おい、膣

>>212253893
>𩰪
Cursed

Any good vidya to test my language skills? I'm thinking of giving Super Robot Wars OG Gaiden a try, since this one still doesn't have an English translation, but I'd rather start with something shorter.

>>212261033
Borderlands 2 やろうぜ! _(:3」∠)_
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3Noy8QlLI

>t.顔面ショットが必要です

>>212261033
Zero/Ao no Kiseki

if I had access to a complete, digitized and searchable version of the 甲骨文合集 I would be so happy

>>212178772 (OP)
god i wish that were my POV

bumo

not dead

a

>>212261388
>>212261141
Finished these already, but thanks anyway.

バンプ

bumpsps

>>212261033
とっとこハム太郎2 ハムちゃんず大集合でちゅ

bumpsps

>take 2 days on the weekend off
>anki reviews look like this
Is this what being suicidal feels like?

>>212275267
This has me so frustrated that I’m thinking of setting my default new card rate to zero or even deleting my deck only ~200 cards in so I can just start mining since then I’ll actually be using the reviewing software for reviewing instead of learning like it’s intended.

>>212275267
that doesn't seem like a lot yet, but if it's frustating to you it's understandable.

>>212278299
>that doesn’t seem like a lot
Not in the early stages when retention is super low. Again I’m just thinking of not doing new cards and switching to mining early so I can have better retention.

>>212278299
Maybe I should just inpoot more. I don’t think I’m doing enough to really see a lot of the new words I’m covering in Anki now that I’m out of the first couple hundred most common.

On the bright side, RTK feels super easy, but I have past experience with Chinese. But if I spend 5 minutes on RTK I’ll spend an hour on Kaishi. I will just work harder and beat this shitty deck and supposedly understand some Japanese.

>>212261511
What stops you from fulfilling that wish

>>212275353
You don't have to do Anki, especially if it just burns you out~

ahem

夏の野の 茂みに咲ける 姫百合の
知られぬ恋は 苦しきものを

小百合花 ゆりも逢はむと 下延ふる
心し無くは 今日も経めやも

>>212275267
>100 cards
At 10 seconds a card it would take 15 minutes. The beginning is the worst though because you can't recognize kanji easily and you don't know the phonetic components well so I wouldn't be surprised if it takes you longer than that. If it takes you more than 20 seconds for a card just mark it fail and get better at recalling it faster, you don't want to have a bunch of cards that take you a minute to recall because then you'd spend several hours a day. Failing it and quickly relearning it is faster in the long term and will improve your reading too.
After your first few VNs it feels like a breeze compared to when you're just doing anki.

>>212278749
You'll end up trying to mine the kaishi words because they're so stupidly common. Every time you try to mine a kaishi card just reposition it to 0 so it's the next word you learn in the queue before the ones you haven't seen.
I do this frequently on the more common words when reading so my new cards will be relevant to whatever VN I am currently reading instead of something I read a year ago.

Anyone knows why the Tae Kim guide app was removed from the play store?

>>212284823
Haha actually Kanji recognition is the easiest part of Japanese for me by far. I’ve done about a year of college Mandarin. Remembering the Kanji, taken at a slow pace with minimal time investment, feels like magic with how straightforward and powerful it is too.

It’s remembering readings that have literally nothing to do with the components of the character that makes me want to bang my head against the wall. In Chinese the phonetics much more regularly line up with characters. But I’m grading myself on remembering the reading. So my two struggles are that kana only words are hard to recall meanings, while kanji cards are super easy to recall meanings but readings remain elusive. I’m optimistic though, I had a couple minutes where I got to write the sample sentences on a couple problem cards out with furigana and I found it helped a lot. I will stay the course. I’m going to do that for my problem cards at least once per card from now on and for new cards at least when I have the time to really sit down and thoroughly study.

>>212288223
So nice of the 皇帝 to write furigana for the barbarians

>>212284823
Okay wait, 10 seconds a card takes 15 minutes for 100 *reviews* but not a hundred cards. I think maybe I have a retarded short term memory if it’s the norm to nail those or I’m fundamentally fucking up how I commit these to memory because it’s usually taking me multiple times per card to get it to the level that it now goes to the next day, for example, good pushes it back a few minutes, good again pushes it back one day, which means for a new card even ideally I have to review it twice unless I spam Easy.

Do you have any advice for just basically committing a card to short term memory? My experience in life shows that I have a very strong long term but a weak short term memory, extremely difficult time remembering faces, but easy time studying my field if I have gone over something thoroughly for example.

Okay after memorizing 昨日 by saying “yesterday was like a kino” I’m just gonna go full mnemonics retard mode now. お願い is “oh can you help a nigga out” because all of the sudden I’m remembering cards.

>>212289932
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/876946123
Pass/Fail.
Even if a card takes me multiple tries, I don't spend a long time thinking about it.
>Do you have any advice for just basically committing a card to short term memory?
I don't mind failing them 5-10 times in the learning phase as long as its fast. I do in fact fail most cards several times.

>>212290236
Okay, Kaishi has frontside sample sentences, I guess I should care about those less to focus on speed.

困ったなぁ
酒買って何も考えずに飲み始めたけど
まったくやる事ないよね・・・
なにか面白い事やらないと酒が台無しになってしまうが何も思いつかねえな
いっそ能か落語でも見るかな

臭そう

>>212291983
ルパンダイブ不可避! _(:3」∠)_

長文の方がガン無視なのに女の子の足の画像を付けた奴は即答か
男の子って分かりやすい生き物やなあ

Are u gonna kick my ass ですか?

>>212292071
目は口ほどに物を言うってね! (違っ

>>212292226
maybe.. yes? :)

ボッコボコにしてやんよ

>>212292269
そういえば
あんまり関係ないけど(ほぼ全く関係ないけど)
>帯に短し襷(たすき)に長し
っていうじゃん?
短い方はわかるんだけど長いんならどっかでちょうちょ結びかなにかすれば良くない?とさっきふと思った

セックス

>>212292547
え、襷ぜんぜん知らんかった
大は小を兼ねる思い浮かんだ(;＾ω＾)

>>212292610
まん●消えてもセックス! (;ﾟ∀ﾟ)=3ﾊｧﾊｧ

(ง •̀_•́)--o)`з΄)

>>212292703
>え、襷ぜんぜん知らんかった
lol
あれ...たまに活字で出てくるくない?
あんまり本読まない系ですか?
「ケンカ売ってんのか」って感じたら、ごめんなさい

>>212292786
s-sorry, I should stfu ですね。。。

>>212292846
もっぱら漫画しか読まない系です
こちらこそウザくて(特に顔文字)ごめんね(´・ω:;.:...

>t. 止め時わからない

おじさんが好き

PSR姉貴がよく”普通”とか言われるけれど
何処からどう見てもまったくそんな要素ないし
ただ淫ク厨は言葉に困って適当にそう呼んでるんじゃないでしょうかね
第一そこいらに転がってる普通の女が彼女と同レベルだったら少子化問題なんて最初から起こらなかったはずだよな

無理じゃね?

>>212178772 (OP)
Imagine if they all took their dicks out and peed on you.

>>212294971
男のおしっこ、キモい〜
女の子のおしっこは素敵で神々しい水だ。

>>212294971
>girls with dicks
are you talking about futa! :D

>>212295164
わかりみ( ˘ω˘)ｳﾑｯ

おペニス

私は hurt myself so bad
私は no future

>>212296111
have confidence! you have a variety of futas(futures)

>>212296111
今までの生き方が間違えたら変えてみるまでだ。
例え、漁師になれたらどうなるかな?わからないでしょう?きっとそっちの居場所がどこかにある。
未来の先が見えない、元気出して!

If your way of life so far is mistaken, simply try to change it.
For example, how will things turn out if you become a fisherman? You don't know right? Surely a place where you belong exists. You can't see your future, cheer up.

あげ

bumpsps (∪＾ω＾)