Why European countries are against international students?
They are tiny highly educated minority that is actually net positive unlike refugees.

>>212197332 (OP)
They tend to get mad if anyone doesn't speak English

translation
>"europeans cant just reject everyone, they need to let in my kind as 'students' because we're marginally better than rapefugees. i am totally not blackmailing you emotionally"

>>212197466
Saudi flags ruined this board

>>212197702
>implying i am saudi
just sick of bullshit

>>212197765
I know you are pajeet or some other asshole under vpn.
Saudi flags ruined this board

>>212197332 (OP)
What are you on about? Europe is by far the most accessible continent to study at as a foreign student

>>212197828
translation
>"i am utterly devastated that you exposed my pathetic attempt to promote kazakh migration to europe. now i will throw a hissy fit about the board being destroyed and 'saudis' to cover"

>>212197886
You are funny beast

>>212197332 (OP)
I met a engineering unversity professor in the rain and he was calling one of his collaborators on the phone and complaining that he had some pakistani PHD students that were dumb as a brick and not flexible at all, they just learnt stuff by hearth. He also said that they had a good will and studied unlike italian students but they were dumber and coudnt get stuff

>>212197332 (OP)
It depends, from certain countries they're fine. But as >>212198401 mentions, a lot of them have zero critical thinking or creativity. They are incapable of thinking outside the box or on their own initiative. They just use AI to get barely passable results.
They also fuck up the housing market for other students, cause their rich parents pay for everything and universities change their business model to cater for them and make more shekels

Trike: because gauche caviar pro immigration liberals want plenty of unschooled immigrants to compete with local rednecks, but are worried if educated ones start to compete with them.

Indians ruined it for everyone else.

>>212197332 (OP)
each spot reserved at university for foreign student, is a missed spot for a native student

>>212197332 (OP)
Not true. My city (Hannover) has thousands of chink students.

>>212197332 (OP)
Except for the Russians and Ukrainians, foreign students fail at our universities. They do not have what it takes to get a diploma. And yes, even the Chinese fail. I've had several in exams. Chinese can learn by heart, but that is not what is tested in exams. We change the parameters of exam questions to see if the student has understood the underlying principle and can apply his understanding to a changed set of problems. Chinese regularly fail at this.

>>212198987
That's not true, many grants are left behind because natives don't want to study. Yes, in Denmark too

>>212199904
>And yes, even the Chinese fail
They probably have lower dropout rate than slavs. According to statistics of east Asians and east Europeans

>>212197466
>>212197886
Bodied that faggot gook freak

>>212200799

>>212197332 (OP)
there are tons of international students in every western european university

>>212197332 (OP)
Its because Europe has weak govts and weak systems, so International students often just become a gateway for illegal immigration.

>>212200950
I know the lady who's head of the administration of student housing for my former university. She told me one night at a party that they house the foreign students away from the German students in a separate building. Why? Because back when they mixed German and foreign students, the troubles would not end. They had to call the police almost every day. Now that they're separated things run much more smoothely.

Boy do I have the country for you. We let anyone in as long as you pay, no English required.

>>212201123
Who caused the problems?

Lund University here in Sweden has a rather large group of Indian students.

>>212201224
The foreign students. The lady told a few memorable stories about what they had done as well. I won't get into it, I won't doxx anybody, but apparently Africans sometimes don't know the basics of civilzation - like how to use beds or toilets.

>>212201282
I've seen they had a program aimed for indian, kenyan and other shithole women to enter with quotas

>>212201328
I've heard stories here of Chinese students cooking up the strangest smelling shit at all times of the day/night which riles people up

>>212201360
They also have their own dorm building separate from the rest. Main reason? Their cooking smelled too bad for everyone else.

>>212201328
So int students from normal countries are also required to live like in a cave? Shouldn't it cause problems too?

>>212197332 (OP)
It's actually the worst vector of infestation. The worst form of muzzrat invasion - they're forced to be in classes socializing with our women all day, which if they're not dating they at least subvert by making them think, "not all subhumans are bad, Abdul from my class hasn't raped anyone (yet)".

This is most poignant in places eastern europe where a shit ton of Arabs, Turks, and even Pakis are invading as foreign students.

I'd close all foreign student admissions to anyone non-Christian/non-east asian - then I'd tackle the illegal migrants.

>>212197332 (OP)
desu a lot of the times international students are selected to push DEI shit, unironically. We had a Nigerian student in my grad statmech class ask the most retarded questions to the prof and he tried his best to not call him a fucking retard, his face expression was a dead giveaway. As others have said before, if the student ain’t white, he’s likely dogshit at it. I guess ex ussr stans are an exception, idk?

>>212201754
I once had to live in a block of 66 flats where my name was the only German name on the board of doorbells. The Arab above me would party loudly all night long, the Koreans would yell across the street at night and cook evil smelling stuff, the staircase smelled of urin, and there was rubbish on the corridors. When I moved in I was a socdem voting lefty, when I moved out three months later I was a convinced right-wing extremist.
It was the worst time of my life.

>>212197886
I do support mass Kazakh women immigration into Europe.

Kazakh milkers in every home!

>>212199904
I had a indian student (got in by money of course) in my masters program, she went into an advanced course lab in genetic engineering and you could see she had never ever enterd a laboratory before, probably had never titrated before either. It just looked pathetic no wonder it took her 4 yeras to complete a 2 year program.
Doubt she even completed it in the end.

>>212202069
I thought koreans didnt cause problems

>>212202417
drunk koreans can get crazy

>>212202236
In my second to last year at the university I took a course named "computer vision". I didn't notice at the time, but the short description was in English. The first two lectures I didn't get a seat in the lecture hall and was kicked out. (Strict mass gathering regulations ever since the deadly Love Parade of 2010.) Why? Because out of nowhere some 80 Indians had manifested themselves and occupied almost of the seats. I had never seen them on campus before.
Anyway, it was the summer semester, the weather got really nice outside, plus the maths got more and more advanced. The further the semester advanced, the less Indians remained. Finally there were only 2 of them in the last lecture.
The professor then said his assistant would offer a voluntary one week workshop. No exam, no credit points, just a chance to apply what we had learned in real life exercises. I went and there were 9 of us, 8 Germans and one foreigner. The foreigner didn't know how to use a German computer keyboard (I'm not kidding) and never reappeard after lunch break on the very first day.
It was an interesting workshop. I got to know Matlab and use it to track moving objects in a film, identify objects that had been scaled and rotated, recognize faces via matrix multiplications and much more.

Because "international student" is just an euphemism for uberjeet worker with fake credentials who would put pressure on housing and services even of he was legit. They only benefit corrupt colleges as thrir paypigs. Just "study" in your own country, Pajeet.

>>212202482
How do they get in such big numbers in the first place if they are so dumb?

>>212197332 (OP)
How is it a positive for me when someone comes here to consume free resources?

>>212203511
diversity is our strength

>>212203531
Because they do stuff that compensate free stuff they consumed

>>212203531
They're not free. They're mostly paid for by the taxpayer - that means you. That's the thing. Those people don't just use up the air in our country, they use up our money as well.

>>212203511
Its sort of a money deal for the universities, the good ranking unis, hell it does not even have to be a good uni just a uni that is outside india is classed 100x better than anything in india so they want to apply, and probably stay but if they return they can say they have studied in (insert eu country, america, canada or australia) and their reputation at home sky rockets. Rich indians can send their childre abroad and the unis accept the money of course, does not matter if the reqiurments are high or low if you fabricate your background and lie about your experience when you have 50000 Euros next to the application.

>>212203927
Lmao. International students come here to cheaply get an education and then tryto move to ths US or some other place to avoid paying taxes here. The only people benefitting are universities as they make more from them.

>>212203511
There are a lot of criteria in ranking unis and big unis care about this a lot aswell.
some of these criteria are

International Student Diversity
International Faculty Ratio
International Research Network (should be the only one)
International Student Ratio

>>212204028
Seems like the ones who stay contribute to budget so much that still create surplus
https://www.daad.de/en/the-daad/communication-publications/press/press_releases/iw-studie_internationale-studierende-wirtschaftlicher-gewinn-fuer-deutschland

>>212204194
>just have your cities be full of gooks, jeets, arabs and africans
>look, the gdp line went up 0.01% that means YOU have just gotten richer
>who cares if those are the people inheriting your ancestors homeland, they are so great that they need to leave their lands for greener pastures

>>212204287
You just said the incorrect information and I pointed out you aren't correct. And budget revenue ain't imaginary lines but real money to budget

>>212204194
Man, I have worked at a university as a scientist. I've coached students, I've sat in oral exams, I've graded homework assignments and written exams. And I can tell you: Of the many foreign students, only very few make it to a degree. The majority of them are filtered out after the first few semesters. Those that do receive a degree are actually competent, no doubt. But the percentage of successful foreign students under their total number is far smaller than it is among German students. And that inefficiency costs the state a lot of money.

>>212204391
You are so delusional that you didn’t even get the point. Yes, we all know government officials are paupers who spend every penny on native Germans’ well-being.

>>212197332 (OP)
International students need lower grades than British students. And if theyre Indian or chinese they usually only hangout with their own kind. Even if they go to some shitty university. The university then wants more international students because their fees arent capped. So the university buys buildings and houses. Sometimes houses in working class areas so they can turn them into student accommodation

>>212204442
The topic was whether this net negative or not. In the end it isn't. I don't want to discuss whether German government spends these money correctly or not, because this is a different problem

>>212204581
Why are natives britons actively destroying themselves?

>>212204673
Negative or positive for whomst’ve? All this line going up does jack shit for your average German.

>>212197332 (OP)
International students and refugees arent mutually exclusive. Often times many int students become suddenly become refugees due to conflicts back home

>>212204287
>>who cares if those are the people inheriting your ancestors homeland,
Many actually go back. In fact many millionaires and millionaires in other countries got educated in Europe or worked a career in Europe before moving abroad. Its not as simple as you think

>>212204855
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

>>212204673
It's a net negative for the country. But I'm sure you can dig up some statistics that say otherwise, because the (left) establishment wants this to be a win. It's easy to lie with statistics by just leaving a few cost factors out of the equation. One of my former professors even wrote a book about it titled "How to Lie with Statistics".

>>212204742
They lost world war 2

>>212204903
And how they lie with that international students just contribute through taxes more than they consume through grants. I also can site some cool books and call everything left wing. Read "Mein kampf" and "book of Mormon" to understand more

>>212205074
You seem to want to fail to understand. Only successful students pay back grants and pay taxes. The majority of them are not successful. And they not only consume grant money, they consume public resources like welfare, public rent money, state subsidised meals, health insurance that the taxpayer pays for, state subsidised public transport tickets, and university resources that the taxpayer also funds. All of those factors don't enter your precious statistics.
If you really go and count all the money that foreign students cost the public versus what they eventually make back, it's a loss.

England may be different, because there foreign students actually have to pay hefty university fees, so only rich students can afford to study there.

>>212204742
Money power

>>212205296
>You seem to want to fail to understand. Only successful students pay back grants and pay taxes
Meanwhile me
>>212204194
>If you really go and count all the money that foreign students cost the public versus what they eventually make back, it's a loss
Because you said so? I also can say that women are stronger than men because I seen girls winning fight

>>212205296
You literally don't know what you're talking about. International students have to pay their health insurance unless it's within EU or a few other member states
https://www.study-in-germany.com/en/plan-your-studies/requirements/health-insurance/. It's likely the same with 99% of welfare because they aren't citizens, but I won't bother checking German law when you yourself won't bother to.

Have a Chinese friend who came here for Uni, it's a completely different world. Her and her friends are absurdly rich, they pay a fortune for the accomodation, but you really see it in their purchasing habits, the amount they spend on food and clothes is insane, they'll throw £100's on a weeks groceries, premium alchohol, restaurants etc and just assume that's the normal for everyday people here.

They also make zero effort to make friends with anyone who isn't Chinese, outside of generic sightseeing their interaction with locals is zero, they exist purely to consume.

>>212205755
kek same. my uni is 20% jeets, 20% chinks. you'd never interact with them outside of class, if at all in class cause they just stay by themselves all the time.

>>212205755
>>212206368
Is that of particular concern?

>>212204766
These taxes contribute to welfare which average german use as well, but you seem kind of ignorant in this regard

>>212207076
>let me tell you about your country

>>212197332 (OP)
Any international student is one less native who can go to Uni and get a good degree and a good job. It doesn’t benefit the common people at all.

>>212207113
Let me tell you that laws of economics are the same in any country

>>212207171
>muh economics
>muh laws
Yes, I remember reading a Law™ by Moshe Shekelstein that all taxes inevitably end up benefiting the populace. It’s right by Shekelstein’s 3rd law which states that all government institutions are made up of benevolent angels and are run on fairy dust. So every euro of my taxes comes back to me eventually. It’s a zero sum game, obviously.

>>212207171
Right. You must get so many international students in Kazakhstan, of course all fully subsidized by your state.

>>212197332 (OP)
do you know what the Erasmus Programme is?

>>212207117
That's a fallacy though.

>>212207553
We have many students from cas countries and russia. Many of them contribute, I think. Also we have some pajeets who mostly pay because they are very dumb. I think we should limit not grants but people who pay through the system because there are too many of them(not related to grants btw)

>>212208040
There can't be too many because they are a net positive

>>212207927
How so? We didn’t need Chinese or Indian international students to get us to space, lmao.

>>212208136
You needed German international SS officers instead.

>>212199226
It’s over for Hans

>>212208070
I didnt tell anything about people who pay. I think you shouldn't get spot because you pay in any country

>>212208136
You just needed:
Italian highly educated people
German highly educated people
Jewish highly educated people
British international students
And many other people to make your mutt system run