Thread 212203073

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>Share language learning experiences!
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>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>List of trackers for most language‐learning packs:
https://files.catbox.moe/nmrn8x.txt
>Ukrainianon’s list of commercial courses from rutracker.org:
https://archive(dot)is/R2feT
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

FAQ:
>How do I learn a language? What is the best way to learn one? How should I improve on certain aspects?
Memorize words with Anki while reading and listening to content that's at your level (at your level = you can understand it, or you can make it understandable with tools)
>Should I learn lang Y so I can learn lang X?
No.
>What is the most useful language?
When in doubt, check the PLI:
https://www.kailchan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Kai-Chan_Power-Language-Index-full-report_2016_v2.pdf
>What language should I learn?
German, Spanish, French, Russian and Japanese (in that order)

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>>212157533

where can i learn that language that sean paul used to speak

>>212203073 (OP)
>>What is the most useful language?
>When in doubt, check the PLI: https://www.kailchan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Kai-Chan_Power-Language-Index-full-report_2016_v2.pdf

i assume this is a meme. mandarin, says the chinese guy? lol.

>>212203413
Uhh racist much?

>>212203073 (OP)
Based on this table what do you think is the Brazilian dialect that you would prefer, considering its features?

>>212203891
The one that maximizes the amount of green fields.

>>212203955
Nohtishta then. Good pick, I like the sound of this one too, it's kinda cute

>>212203891
What does the Sulista sound like? Is it cool?

>>212204850
Like Gaúcho but more influenced by other dialects. I didn't make the table but I believe the ones with a lot of unspecified "mixed" are suffering pressure from other dialects and in the middle of a transformation

Google Play books (e-books) has a shitty AI voice ("read aloud" feature) in my TL it's so damn shitty help me

>>212205295
Pirate the audiobook?

>>212205295
Drop that language and learn French

im on the horse /lang/ been going at it everyday now

>>212205455
book doesn't exist as an audiobook

>>212205662
Proud of you, keep doing the work.

>>212205725
My bad.

What are the best languages for euromaxxxing?

>>212206946
German
>German is spoken as an official language in Germany, Austria, Belgium, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, and Switzerland

>>212206946
You already speak both of them. English (the language of today) and Polish (the language of tomorrow).

>>212207112
Why not French?
>>212207985
>Polish (the language of tomorrow)
Nah. Love me cuntry simple as, but don't exaggerate our potential

strona 10

>>212206946
since germans speak english, i think it would be the languages of the people who don't learn english.

so french and spanish?

>>212206946
Like the other anon said Germans speak English, so French, Italian and Spanish.

Fuck me. It doesn't help me at all. All that languages are attractive professionally, touristically and romantically

>>212212367
Jordie with a VPN?

>French
My friend knows it, the most useful professionally, difficult, I'm afraid to go to France and be stabbed with an HIV syringe, I would emigrate to Germany or Denmark anyway, the best cinema, great music, trains
>Italian
Italy is the Japan of Europe, cool cinema, great old music, not so much modern one (I also prefer old French songs but there is still something interesting in French), the worst ratio of earnings to prices, I have family there, my cousin is studying it, big industry, easy pronunciation, trains
>Spanish
Less high culture, more of this kind of ease one, messy unmature culture, the biggest pool of native speakers, ok salary to price ratio, two of my friends started learning it, the best because the newest infrastructure, great literature, easy pronunciation, trains
>>212212367
Nope. I miss that guy desu

if you were honest, this place should be renamed "language choosing general"

>>212213983
Meant to tag >>212213058
>>212214059
I promise I will stop when I reach above A2 level in any language

>>212208352
How humble

>Él y Ron subieron las escaleras hacia el dormitorio, y discutiendo la idea de Angelina de trabajar un nuevo movimiento, the Sloth Grip Roll (si alguien sabe lo que significa, por favor, que lo ponga)
Lel, I'm getting TL notes in the fifth book, the translators are so confused - they frequently forget in-universe things or don't understand that sometimes things are just made up by the author - their whole TL workshop had to scramble trying to find out what a sloth-grip roll was.

POR FAVOR, QUE LO PONGA

You could hear the desperation when they typed that one.

Fuck, if only the tower of babylon wasn’t destroyed, then I wouldn’t have to learn new languages

i am learning serbocroatian and i was reading a book and basically following along and if i didn't know a word looking it up but i realized that trying to learn by reading a book might not be the best way to go about it cause u learn overly literary words. for example
stoga - therefore (never heard someone say this in real life)
zapanjujuci - astonishing (never heard)
poteskoce - difficulties
for context i learned a good base of the language from my senpai who is from a village in croatia. i think learning by watching normal people speak is way better for what i hope to achieve (conversational fluency)

>>212211141
>since germans speak english
>>212211527
>Like the other anon said Germans speak English,
The ability of Germans to speak English is grossly overestimated. Mostly by themselves. The majority of Germans speak a little English at best, and none at all at worst. It might be better in large cities, but in smaller towns or the countryside it gets worse.
Shop clerks in Frankfurt/Main, one of the most international cities in Germany, have trouble helping foreigners when they have to use English. Sometimes, they can't even get the simplest things right or are able to tell a customer how much they have to pay at the checkout.
My father worked in a high position for an American company and his English was laughably bad, but his boss thought it was very good so he was sent to headquarters in Texas. He lucked out, though, because the receptionist was able to speak German, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to get around over there.
In short: Most Germans can't speak English to save their lives. And no, zoomers are no exception.

>>212203891
i dont know 90% of what this shit means
hope that answers your questoin

>>212216353
Fuck meine Leben. Then German is in the game again.

>>212216353
Honestly, wuth the rise of auto translation and even auto dubbing on youtube, I think we might have hit the peak of kids learning English from the internet anyway

>>212217136
The weird thing is, that many kids stick to German websites and communities anyway.
Some time ago I read a book pleading with Germans to stick to German, because they love to speak English but aren't very good at it, while diminishing their own language.
The example given was of a congress in the field of medicine, held in Germany, for Germans, by Germans, and every one had to speak in English, because that's "what doctors of international reknown do". In the end, every one spoke terrible English, no one understood what the other was talking about and every one clapped each other on the shoulder and went their merry way, hoping that they hadn't lost face.

Even when adopting bilingualism, national languages do not die so easily, at most they evolve a little. Icelandic was supposed to die out in the 20th century or even in the 19th century in favor of Danish, but it is doing well. Israel created a de facto artificial language that is used in their country, similar case with Italian. And the Irish are independent and were supposed to revive Irish and they are not doing so well.

>>212214059
Once you choose the language, actually learning it and using it is the fun part. Choosing one is the only hard part about it.

>find the recommended textbooks and pick one after skimming their PDFs and seeing which one you like the exposition of most
>use Anki for the first 1000 words
>input as many hours as possible especially reading

if you have money, consider a private teacher

this part is not that complicated. choosing what to spend 1000+ hours learning is the hard part.

I used to think that I should revive my spanish and then learn german and italian for great literature and the ability to speak the language of all neighbouring countries, but now for some reason I really want to learn farsi and maybe arabic (I am white as snow and not muslim). Maybe russian ? Maybe Japanese ? Maybe chinese ? Also learning latin and would like to eventually get into ancient greek. I keep autistically trying to figure out an ideal language "build" that is actually possible to achieve over my lifetime and I never start. Why so many cool languages and so few time ? Such a tragedy.

ATTENTION LEAF ANON
>ATTENTION LEAF ANON
ATTENTION LEAF ANON
>ATTENTION LEAF ANON
I HAVE A SMALL REQUEST FOR YOU
You probably still lurk even if you don't want to be associated with us anymore which I can understand but how about you implement this in your program and never mention who gave you this idea.
There should be a mode to read texts (AI generated, imported by user, or otherwise) a few words at a time, or a sentence at a time, and the program randomly abruptly pauses and tells the user to repeat back the previous sentence or predict the following sentence. Both of these would force the user to pay close attention to the text and practise using the language while they read.

>>212218820
You could do Italian, Spanish, and German (all three) in the time it takes you to learn one of those funny orientals.
I've long though that if I'm doing some oriental language I'd want to learn it slowly over time and "naturalize" the base steps, while dedicating 90% of my study time to my basic european ones. Basically placing the harder language on the backburner and doing the easier one for the majority of my time, so I don't end up wasting 5,000 hours learning Japanese to the detriment of my other languages.

>>212219465
Yeah, in the end I am just beckoned by the allure of "funny orientals" but the european languages are both easier and most aligned with my goals (although I hear farsi is quite easy actually).

Ideal set of languages for EVROPEAN CHADHOOD would be french english spanish italian german russian latin and ancient greek. I know I could probably both revive my spanish and learn italian in under 6 months. Maybe I start learning russian now and put it as you say on the backburner.

>>212216353
Interesting. Why do you think they overestimate their abilities, and why their English isn't as good as they think it is?

French or Russian??

>suspense \sys.pɑ̃s\ féminin
>suspense \sys.pɛns\ masculin

should i drop russian and learn polish?
this language is too yellow. im sure polish would be more egosyntonic with the aryan soul.

>>212213983
>cool cinema
i dont know what fucking movies foreigners are watching when they say this shit.
the only masterpiece of italian cinema was the first Fantozzi and even that was like 50 years ago.

>>212218820
>>212219868
>>212219625
What the fuck are you people even talking about?

>>212219679
Turkish

>>212219936
it seems pretty clear to me
russian is YELLOW. it's a language for yellow people with chinky eyes.

or maybe i should get back to serbian
it was so autistic to ragequit after all that effort

>>212219979
just watch falling down 20 times

>>212219901
Nta but I like Fellini, and Antonioni.

>>212219868
Ehh, I wouldn't, you'll regret it.
I come from a polish family full of proud pollacks (all in the USA) and despite this none of them have learned polish to any decent level - they've all learned other languages.
If we all decided to do it I'd do so in a heartbeat, but usually the only thing a pollack does is learn a few funny words to SHOCK THE RELATIVES with when they call a piece of bread a wrbyzykywcz.

>>212220046
Bread in polish is chleb (ch read as in a Scottish word Loch). Now you can shock your relatives. Btw are you from Chiraq?

>>212219626
I have no idea, to be honest. Maybe it's because since English got put on the curriculums of schools, people somehow thought that they now had a fairly good grasp on English, because they suddenly could understand English product slogans and the like. Fact is, a sizeable part of the German populace misunderstand those slogans. For example, the slogan "Come in and find out" a big perfumery chain used, usually was understood at "Komm rein und find raus" (come in and find the way out). Or a TV channel used the slogan "Powered by Emotion" which was understood as "Kraft durch Emotion" (Strength through emotion, maybe a remainder of the 3rd Reich's Kraft durch Freude, I don't know).
Anecdote: My mother "learnt" English with a BBC course and whenever she wanted to say "Do you understand me?" she always said "Are you stand me?" and thought this was correct. My brother is completely unable to speak or understand even the most basic English, despite having learnt it in school for eight years. I was able to speak English fluently in 13th grade and my classmates looked at me as if I was a wizard, although technically they should had been at the same niveau.

>>212220246
yeah the "bro all young people know english already" thing is a meme. like 80% don't at all beyond "hello". like 15% know like A1. and the last 5% actually do know some to a fluent level

>>212219901
>>212220024 and also Malena, L'Armata Brancaleone, Cleopatra, Ben Hur and many more old historical dramas. Modern ones like this one about Vespa on Netflix or the one about lesbians in 60's are okeish

>>212220212
No, Jew York.

Are your parents proud of you?

>>212220246
I've met many people who claim to speak English well, but they have poor pronunciation and can't express themselves naturally. I think it stems from everyone consuming American entertainment. People don't want to admit that they don't actually understand the (c)rap music they listen to or the latest Netflix slop they watched. Additionally, almost every job requires English, so people put B2 or whatever on their résumés. If they lied about something on their résumé, they may as well lie about it in general.
>>212220344
Jew dork city*

>>212220311
Like Britanon over here >>212217136 already said, it's easier than ever to get foreign content in your native language. It makes people lazy, and young people tend to be the laziest of all.
It's somewhat the same with computer literacy. We all thought kids born after 2000 would be computer wizards, but they only know smartphones, and tablets at best and have no idea how a real PC works. A friend of mine who works in IT at the university of Frankfurt sent me photos of the library PCs where students taped signs to the keyboards reading "Please don't type too loud, it's making others anxious".
I don't think it'll get better, desu.

I refuse to believe that Spanish speaking natives catch EVERY word the other person is saying when they speak at machine gun speed and don't enunciate
Their brains just fill the gaps using context

>>212221223
>Their brains just fill the gaps using context
That is literally what they do in every single language.
Would that it were.

Why did I have to want to learn Czech this is going to take me ten years at this rate

Ok. I have to choose two from: Japanese, German, French, Spanish, Italian.
I think I'll give up Italian with a heavy heart because it doesn't have that many uses, I could catch up the language with another Romance language if I needed and they're old and the salaries aren't as good. It hurts me because Polish has a lot of influences from French and Italian, not from Spanish, and Spanish is more universal.
I think Japanes will be my first choice, because although it is not very useful professionally and I'm not very into Asian girls, it has the most unique content and I listen to the most music in Japanese, not counting Polish music
German doesn't have as much interesting content and has slightly worse anime dubbing than French. Spanish dubbing is awful. The state of France scares me and seems the most difficult to master without looking like an idiot, but professionally it's the most useful after German. Spanish of them all seems the easiest to master and musically: French > Spanish > German, so not too bad.
>>212221223
I do believe they do. The language, unlike English, has the same or almost the same word stress (and this exceptions allows them to distinguish different peros). Same with Italian, Polish, Russian.
I do not believe that the French understand pure Liaison

>>212221714
isn't it just zesty polish?

So it's Japanese + Spanish / French / German.
I'll also have to sign up for kickboxing to balance my Japanese learning.
Another question: what is the cultural opposite of learning Japanese? Not necessarily in introvert/extravert dynamics but something that would balance learning Japanese so you don't have to be an american-style weeb or a looser but a cool dude. Thinking about Spanish, French, kickboxing and dance classes

>>212221869
The problem is I never learned polish

>>212221976
Very ambitious. How are you going to manage your time?

>>212222742
Audio courses when doing everyday things, watching media in my TLs, doing anki when shitting at work, Japanese as a side language, German / French / Spanish / Italian / Portuguese as the main one

You're going to waste a lot of time. Pick one and get good at it first before adding more.

>inb4 just make up your mind!
It's not that simple, I don't want to waste a year or two and regret that I could have chosen something else.
I also don't want to waste a month trying one language only to try another for a month.
That's why I'm happy to hear about other people's reasons for learning. Even the irrational reasons, or maybe especially these

>>212223038
There is no perfect solution. Flip a coin.

If you're happy with the result, you have your answer.

If you're unhappy with the result, you have your answer.

imagine being so deranged that you convince yourself you can study 6 languages at the same time

There's some interesting visas for Russia as an Aussie (shares values visa). How worth is it to leave your country of origin for a few years and try out a different language and lifestyle? I'm not scared of russian authorities or the political climate, im just interested in the language and basically what it's like to work in a non-anglo, non-english speaking country. I have a friend in Vladivostok but I might prefer somewhere bigger like saint petersburg or moscow region.

I come back to the choice between German French and Japanese
>>212223461
I'm never happy

>>212223603
One is bad enough

>>212223689
then don't pick any

>>212203891
Korean, japanese, north german, irish, and scottish gaelic are the only languages that sound nice to me. All other languages generally sound ugly or obnoxious, including most of english

>>212223881
italian and french are probably the most beautiful languages, objectively. I said beautiful, not whatever preconception you have about how badass german sounds or whatever.

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>>212218820
IMO you should focus on literacy and self studying for the European ones since that’s much easier to do alone and only put much effort into the spoken language for oriental stuff. I.e. all input for the related languages, rigorous work for Japanese. At most do something like Assimil that will maximize literacy carryover. I find that I can go long periods away from a language and maintain literacy, and can grow literacy in multiple languages at once, but can only really advance my spoken ability in one at a time.

So overall, go full force with Japanese, since you’ll want to learn the script and the speech (the script is fun if you let it be fun) and for the others just spend a chunk of time daily doing assimil + nature method readthroughs -> native content.

>japanese could never get rid of kanji, there are just too many homophones
oh yeah? what about Korean and Vietnamese?

>>212206946
Holy Trifecta.

>>212221223
Go and watch a random Youtuber and put him on 2x speed. You can probably understand him fine despite the syllables per second now being faster than fast Spanish.

>>212221714
If you don't want to learn Czech for 10 years, then you just don't want to learn Czech.

>>212203891
Gaucho unironically, but Paulistano (the BP standard?) seems OK too.
>>212223619
White Westerners who speak good Russian are treated like gods here. Like, they interview them on TV etc.

>>212194947
>have you tried listening to reggaeton it can be quite poetic
I decided to learn Spanish a week ago, but I've been listening to reggaeton for maybe ten years just because I like the way it sounds. If I liked the way a particular song sounded I'd check the lyrics to make sure it wasn't anything embarassing, add it to my playlist, then forget what the lyrics were about. When you don't understand the language the lyrics just become another part of the music.

Deciding to learn Spanish was kind of a big deal for me because I did Japanese in community college and have watched 10,000 hours of subtitled anime. But it's not like I can do more than sort of get the gist, and I stopped practicing reading and writing when I left school. Also there are a lot of fucking Spanish speaking people every fucking where you go in this country, so it seems potentially more practical.

>>212228797
I makes sure its embarrassing then I add it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkRqgxS6SgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpoUzo-CflQ
especially this one,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s8F5KZaZV8
>
not reggaeton but has basic vocab
https://genius.com/Paradisio-bailando-lyrics
https://genius.com/Loona-nld-vamos-a-la-playa-radio-edit-lyrics
>
poetic
Yo conocía una nena, tan bella.
Ella es de lo más bonita.
Ella, ella, tan bella.

(Ella tiene...)
Cara linda, piel morena,
Canela cintura, mira como menea.
Tiene cuerpo de sirena.
>bella
>boniita
>linda
so beautiful

>>212226434
Just compare the phonology of all three languages, japanese has the most simplistic one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA2LimNuW18&t=90s
whats the use of candela here
Candles? is it excitement? is it a euphamism for some cylindrical
object? is it smoking.
>
¿mami tú quiere candela?
Mujer: dame candela papi
Dame candela papi
Héctor: ¿mami tú quiere candela?
Mujer: dame candela papi
Dame candela

>>212229498
an artistic sense of wordplay that even Shakespeare would admire

>>212229491
there are languages with much simpler phonologies than Japanese that don't need a logography.

are IRL language classes a good way to get a gf

>>212223689
The fact that Japanese is on the list despite how hilariously impractical and difficult it is shows that you honestly just want to engage with their media (and thereby receive a ton of input) so just do Japanese.

Pepe:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoXDGMZhdJk

>>212227798
>White Westerners who speak good Russian are treated like gods here. Like, they interview them on TV etc.
wtf why? because of how insanely difficult russian is? i guess that makes me want to move there more but i need to get a bit more training in healthcare first.

>>212229804
I had more impractical languages like Italian and Spanish, even Portuguese crossed my mind. But in the category of impractical languages that give little professionally and are limited to a small number of not so important countries (from the Polish perspective), Japanese wins

>>212230499
It's also a "based and trad" thing. They'd ham it up and go, "well, I moved to Russia because I don't want my kids to be brainwashed with woke shit."

>>212231637
yikes

>>212226434
>durrr why dont they just rape and kill their own language so obese americunts like me can try and fail to learn their language even more comfortably

>>212232237
>their own language
those are all chinese loanwords

>>212232276
Yeah and? Got a problem faggot? Want me to loan some sperm up your ass so you can calm down? Huh? HUH?

>>212232325
based faggot

I have to choose two and then decide. Two last numbers determine the two languages I'll choose for the next month
1, 6 De
2, 7 Es
3, 8 Fr
4, 9 It
5, 0 Jp

>>212227414
I wouldn't want to waste three months of effort so I guess I'll do it

today i'm going to seriously choose a language and i'm going to seriously start learning it

>>212235718
good

>>212235718
Choose Tamil.

>>212221223
"Spnish natives speak fast" is a meme, it's not that fast, it just appears so when you don't understand it.

some english words I've learned:
billow
rap
elm
fetlock
tuft
ruddy
yoke

>>212232237
>why dont they just rape and kill their own language
Japanese is the language equivalent of the beat up car with mismatched doors.
>logographic character system but pronunciation depends on context because japanese morphology doesn't match chinese at all
>add two separate syllabaries to the language, they are both shit
>pronunciation differences depend on tiny diacritics
>emperor thinks european languages are cool so add comma and period, but spaces between words no, that's going too far
>do a mega spelling reform 70 years ago that makes reading old stuff near impossible
>syllabaries still shit
>in fact they are worse now because you added letters that are just slightly smaller version of existing letters
>suddenly start writing imported acronyms and numbers in the latin alphabet anyway
>now your writing system is a chimera of 4 different writing systems
>meanwhile you have accumulated loanwords from every language you've ever had contact with
>you say temp work in german, backpacks in dutch, bread in portuguese, electric plugs in late 1800s english, etc
>boatloads of onomatopeia
Japanese is ridiculous

>>212238056
filtered and seething

>>212238285
call me when they start using hiragana keyboards

The 10 words-of-today (how many do you know in English? How many in your TL)
>1.parapet
>2.loophole
>3.wangle
>4.banister
>5.retch
>6.svelte
>7.garish
>8.tawdry
>9.balustrade
>10. fatuous
>>212211527
>germans speak English
i can speak the most eloquent sentence in a posh dialect and the Germanoids don't understand and stand there dumbstruck in silence like you just raped a duck in front of them.
One has to speak German to them. Schelling (pbuh) talks about this; they lack the Western sovl needed to speak English. They are central european

>>212238708
>One has to speak German
Kinda based, English is just gay German, because of all the french vocabulary.
>they lack the Western sovl needed to speak English
What are you talking about? Who's got the Western soul then? Germans speak better English than the frogs or the Spanish.

>>212203073 (OP)
Did you know you can skip learning languages using an AI tool called DeepL.com?
It's free!
Be sure to call me an Indian now.

>>212238959
The Coastal French can speak it but refuse to. Germans can only read, maybe.

>>212235718
Stop talking about it. It's giving you dopamine hits. Either do it or respectfully shut the fuck up, because talking about it is not helping you.

also goes for everyone else here

>>212238056
is any of this a bad thing? does it make the language more expressive? who cares if it makes it harder to learn for foreigners

>>212239300
I use that as a tool to learn new languages

>>212239300
Did you know you can skip fucking your wife by getting a bull to do it for you?
It's free!
Be sure to call me a cuck now.

What is the Dreaming Spanish equivalent for German and Italian? German has Nicos Weg, and Italian? I don't feel like watching the Peppa Pig

>>212239774
*snort snort*

I can't find absolute beginner mandarin materials, fuck censorship seriously i never had this experience with french or Italian.

>>212239774
Time to watch Peppa La Maiala.

*Grunf grunf*

>>212239543
>does it make the language more expressive?
no. the writing system of a language is not the language itself.
>who cares if it makes it harder to learn for foreigners
it makes it harder for japanese to learn as well.

>>212239774
>https://learngerman.dw.com/de/deutsch-lernen/s-9095
this

>>212240684
>HSK books + YT videos
>Integrated Chinese

>>212241283
> YT videos
I thought youtube banned in china and they have their version.

>>212241532
chinese exist outside of china dawg

ok i've narrowed down the languages that i really want to study but i still need to choose
0-3 serbian, japanese, polish
4-6 russian, vietnamese, serbian
7-9 japanese, russian, chinese

>>212242833
thought you were a chud who only studies "white" languages

>>212242833
you're not learning multiple at the same time. youtube polyglots are all A1 and cram before their videos and say "i'm actually learning 5 languages rn....". it's not a real thing.

>>212243161
You're probably going to get more use of a A1 tier knowledge of many languages than C2 in anything but english.

i forgot to add persian to the list

>>212243256
lol. lmao.

no you won't. A1 is basically a a tourist. just go to /trv/ if you don't actually want to learn a language. You can't do shit at A1 other than ask where the bathroom is and you'll sound like a retard to everybody.

languages don't stick at low levels. You can not use a language you're C2 in for a year and you'll still know it. A1, you'd forget it completely after a month.

lastly you're probably baiting so nobody reply to this anon anymore

>>212243403
Realistically you will not get the opportunity to ask more than where's the bathroom and order food in your TL unless you specifically go out of your way to do it. From a practical standpoint that is all you need unless you have a specific interest in a country or culture.

Hey lang, I'd appreciate some advice. I've been studying russian for a while now, and i've also completely bought in to the ajjat/input approach. I can immerse a fair amount but all the stuff that's appropriate for my level is youtube slop. if i inout all day i feel like my brain is rotting. high literature is a big goal for me in learning russian, i didn't start learning it to watch vloggers or sitcoms, and yet all the advice is "watch slop until you can understand high culture". it seems these methods are geared towards consuming as much content as possible, and it makes me feel like a bugman. any advice? i'll input super hardcore for a few days, maybe even weeks but then always want to go back to content that i feels like feeds my brain, and i can only understand that stuff in english or french.

>>212243598
jesus christ you're fucking retarded. leave this general and stop posting immediately. you don't want to actually talk with people in your TL? what's even the point. this hobby is not for you.

>>212243843
"want" and "need" are different things, maybe you should study your native language first.

Petitalian baits anons to his dirty trap again...

>>212243796
If you can understand youtube well then the thing you need to understand literature is high register vocabulary. You can't learn that from youtube (not efficiently anyway): buy a kobo, install koreader and a russian dictionary and tap on every word you do not know.
But if you struggle with colloquial stuff you have to go back to peppa pig.

>>212244019
it's probably a different italian because he's too polite

>>212243989
I mean «want». What’s the point of learning a language for potentially thousands of hours if you don’t want to speak with native speakers? I simply don’t understand.

ban italy from this general please

>>212243796
Try out different types of content until you find something that suits you. If you like books, read easier books like Harry Potter or Agatha Christie, not necessarily high brow stuff right off the bat.

>>212244254
If all you do is reach A1 then you don't need to spend thousands of hours on it. But you may also want to learn a language well to consume content in it, setting up situations where you speak it with natives is going to be pretty artificial anyway.

>>212243796
parallel text readers

I can't tolerate content made for learners anymore after watching a couple of native podcast episodes talking about interesting topics

sup brother
started learning serbo-croatian a year ago, went with easy-croatian.com (I mostly travel to croatia and mostly have friends there so I chose the croatian standard)
took an italki class, teacher was surprised by my level, said I probs had a B1

do you know of any resources for this lang? podcasts and youtube channels would be good

I unambiguously know absolutely every word/morpheme and grammatical feature I come across but it's still not "clicking".

Italian lessons done
>>212241241
Yeah, I meant that when I was talking about Nicos Weg
>>212242833
>2 slavic languages at the same time
>>212243161
I am currently learning two, but I will probably have to neglect one when I reach a higher level.
>>212244302
Please don't do this because I'm learning Italian right now.

i'm getting filtered by cases again

>>212248504
Which ones specifically?

>>212248504
Me too

youdo know how to use bopomofo dont you?

>>212249005
all of them this shit doesnt make any sense

>>212203891
Now do one for English

cases are easy guys it's just prepositions (at, to, for, with...) you put at end of words but they change according to noun and gender

>>212242833
imo Serbian is the easiest gateway into slavic languages, bar Bulgarian
You get the cases but they're pretty consistent and easy to learn

>>212240684
>I can't find absolute beginner mandarin materials
how about just beginner huh?
>fuck censorship
boomer-sama...

>>212232276
Your entire language is loanwords, shut up.
If you want to watch anime in Japanese just learn their language instead of complaining about it. If you don't want to learn it then shut up.

>>212251516
Spoken japanese is a myth: they can not actually communicate anything without writing, due to all the homophones.

>>212238056
>they are both shit
>syllabaries still shit
I don't know, they look just fine to me.
>spaces between words no, that's going too far
Quite literally not necessary.
>do a mega spelling reform 70 years ago that makes reading old stuff near impossible
It's not anywhere near impossible, very much possible for any native or somebody who has studied to a decent level in fact. New kana and new kanji aren't much of a problem, the biggest problems are some characters that aren't usually written with kanji now being written with them back then, as well as the simple linguistic and cultural gap between then and now(which you'll experience with all languages).
>pronunciation differences depend on tiny diacritics
What's wrong with that? The only thing that might be bad is that the one that changes to P can be hard to tell apart from the one that changes to B when there font size is small, but even then you can tell from context.
>in fact they are worse now because you added letters that are just slightly smaller version of existing letters
This was intentionally done to make reading easier. It's just a small change from 残つて to 残って, nothing more. Not really a necessary change in my opinion, it took me reading like 3 pages of old stuff to get used to it.
>suddenly start writing imported acronyms and numbers in the latin alphabet anyway
>now your writing system is a chimera of 4 different writing systems
>meanwhile you have accumulated loanwords from every language you've ever had contact with
>you say temp work in german, backpacks in dutch, bread in portuguese, electric plugs in late 1800s english, etc
Well so what? It may sound ridiculous but it's completely a non-problem, and as for loanwords literally every language is like that. Even 90% of the cusswords I know in Turkish do not come from it but from the languages that are spoken near us.
>boatloads of onomatopeia
Le soul or whatever. I guess it can be kind of irritating.

>>212250107
What sentence structure dictates in English, in case languages is dictated by, well, cases. Cases answer questions in a sentence
Let's see at 3 cases:
Nominative: Who? What? – Used for the subject of a sentence.
Genitive: Of whom? Of what? – Used to show possession or absence.
Accusative: Whom? What? – Used for the direct object: the person or thing that receives the action of the verb.
Instrumental: With whom? With what? – Used to show means/companionship.

(what?) The cat (Nominative) is eating (what?) a fish (Accusative). Kot(N) je rybę(A). But also: Rybę(A) je kot(N). If we want to say that The fish is eating a cat we would say: Ryba(N) je kota(A).

(what?) The cat (N) of (of what?) the Persia (Genitive) is eating (what?) a fish (A) (with what?) with gills (Instrumental).
Kot (N) Persji (G) je rybę (A) ze skrzelami (I).
Ze skrzelami (I) rybę (A) je Persji (G) kot (N). - both sentence have the same meaning despite different word order.

The fish (N) of the gills (G) is eating the Persia (A) with a cat (I).
Ryba (N) Skrzeli (G) je Persję (A) z kotem (I).
But also: Z kotem (I) je Persję (A) Skrzeli (G) ryba (N).

Notice how the endings of the words change.
Focus on the first four to start with: Nominative, Genitive, Dative, Accusative

>>212245212
>>212245212
The DLI has a comprehensive fully funded set of like 750 Russian lessons ranging from A-C level. It’s one of their most developed and comprehensive languages. It’s online entirely for free with each lesson having a dialogue that you can download a side by side pdf, or read entirely in TL, and listen to audio alongside, as well as a full lesson based on the vocab and grammar of the dialogue, with native audio. Also, the site has premade anki decks specific to the subject matter of each dialogue. For example, in the Japanese course, there is a basic lesson where the subject matter is Japanese weddings, so the anki deck is 16 words needed to understand the dialogue if you are otherwise A1.

It was developed for US personnel deployed abroad so subjects range widely and include stuff like tactical conversation or political issues. Anyone learning Russian should really check it out. Even something like the Japanese course, which sits at ~150 lessons, still teaches thousands and thousands of vocab all online absolutely free made by professionals who have actual stakes involved in making sure their learners know the language. I believe that it’s intended to be done/paired with one of their beginner course .pdfs that are intended as 6 week courses but someone here could blast through in like a week.

For whatever reason barely anyone knows about it or talks about it even though it’s fairly modern unlike the old FSI texts (which are still solid). I found it recently and I’m gonna integrate it into my Japanese study soon. They have stuff for basically every language remotely relevant to American international politics.

I’ll do something like going from blind shadowing->side by side->tl shadowing. Then do the Anki deck, then reread the text in TL, then do the online lesson/quiz to test myself.

>>212243134
>>212244019
>>212244225
that's the german learner sòyjak, not me.

maybe i should just learn romanian

>>212253079
5 cases

>>212253138
oh fuck, romanian too????

>>212203073 (OP)
Is there an alternative to duolingo that isn't shitty? I want to learn a few words from german, french and latin so people think I'm smart while putting in the least amount of effort possible since i have other interests I'd rather follow.

>>212253176
anki

maybe i should just bulgarianmaxx

Maybe you should stop spamming.

>>212253152
Latin has 6. Romanian has 5 cases and articles. Latin 6 cases and no need for articles
I told you, focus on the first 4 cases first

>>212253176
Yes, it's called Assimil.

>>212253348
i dont understand this assimil meme
i remember i went to their website once and it was only french faggotry

>>212253312
it's over for filtered by casescels.

>>212253176
Anki and Assimil

>>212252673
nice find.

>>212252673
isn't it all military focused

>>212253446
>it's over for filtered by cases
It (N)
over (N)
for filtered (G)
by cases (A)

>>212253669
shouldnt over be accusative and by cases instrumental

>>212253556
Ah yes event planning and weddings. Classic military subjects.
No.

>>212252673
Here’s the about page for their headstart courses. I see zero reason someone doing Arabic, Mandarin, or Russian couldn’t reach a reasonably advanced level with this and GLOSS as their sole study resource, assuming they start inputting and talking with natives at some point. The Standard Arabic course is pretty comprehensive but the dialectical ones are decently sized enough that if one went from MSA -> dialect I bet it would mostly cover the transition. Again, all absolute free and public. If you look it up on YouTube hardly anyone talks about it.

>>212253268
>>212253742
yet another chud retard failing basic grammar

>>212253808
>Portuguese-African
>Portuguese-Brazilian
>no PT-PT
it's over kek

>>212253742
It would be more like
>with the cases
then
But my brain is not working today anymore, plus I do cases intuitive, so I can talk bullshit

German has cases too btw

>>212253914
The US military has basically no need to teach servicemen Portuguese. I’m sure the FSI has something but it’s probably largely classified since they’re more focused on diplomatic staff and care less about mass education.

>>212253914
PT-African covers PT-PT

>>212253463
>>212253348
>assimil
Why? Is it just a bundle of audio tracks I have to pirate like pimsleur? I tried pimsleur before and it sucked.

>>212254877
lol. lmao.

>>212253808
basically everything in the image you just posted is military applications lol

saludos anónymo, oí yo que tractades d'aprender el romançe d'oy día, lo que parésçeme de muy poca ventura para vos, sin dubda devedes aprender el romançe del mio cid et el conde lucanor, ca sin dubda aprender aqueste romançe noble es verdaderamente guisado y será de grant ventura para un omne cuemo vos

>>212255473
It's a textbook with easy lessons you can do for 15 minutes a day. There's no owl to congratulate you after every sentence, but it still works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqR3K1alUio

If you want to pirate it, find your TL here:
https://annas-archive.org/search?index=&page=1&q=assimil+with+ease&display=&sort=

>>212220212
>Bread in polish is chleb (ch read as in a Scottish word Loch).
The 2 Poles I've spoken to think differently. They genuinely can't tell the difference between a Polish "ch/h" and an English "h" which I like to bully them with

this is my assimil
it may well take me three years to read the first three pages but its thousandfold better than language-learning-corpo slop

Did leafbrogirlhybrid find his qt Polish wife on his vacation?

>>212256592
Never understood people that look down on beginner material. You can get through it quite quickly if you're ambitious and motivated, it actually helps you get to the good stuff faster.

>>212256565
I'm almost certain that we had a conversation about this exact topic around October of last year.

>>212256098
based i trust it even more then

>>212256852
reading some at the beginning is fine perhaps even crucial depending on the language, but you can do without a physical book or reading through an entire pdf i believe

>>212257648
besides back then they didnt really have any beginner material, they just picked up and read straight away, im doing it more maiorum

>>212256098
>I’m a retard that can’t comprehend that DLI Headstart 2 (an introductory course intended for servicemen imminently going abroad) and G.L.O.S.S. (Intended for long term study of the language by the broader public) are two different things

In your drive to be correct you just embarrass yourself. Also,
>how many people are in the vehicle
Is a perfectly worthwhile sentence for a beginner to know even if it is intended for military use.

>>212253556
Also, your specific claim is that it is “all” military focused. Since it looks like only about 50% of an 80 hour introductory course separate from the material you were asking about is military focused, and the material you were asking about is literally thousands of hours of content (the mandarin course has 1000+ lessons) I would say that you made a substantially incorrect statement. But idk I guess it’s literally impossible as an autodidact to somehow, idk, do something other than HS2 or just skim the stuff you’re not interested in. I guess that makes the whole archive of free high quality lessons worthless. You interact with reality like a redditor.

I'm learning japanese

>>212242833
Why would vietnamese even be in that list tho? Even indonesian (another useless language) is more useful than vietnamese

Th-there's n-n-nothing I can do... I just HAVE to learn the word for tank in Japanese... There's no POSSIBLE way for me to choose what material interests me and avoid content that does not... le sigh... such is life for an enlightened individual like myself... I'll never be able to comprehend my favorite hentais now because my brain will be filled with discussions about maneuvers and logistics which have literally zero practical application to speech or literacy... I'll know worthless sentences like "where are they" when I should know "OAUGH YAMETE KUDASAI ANON-KUN OAUGH!"

this nourishes the language learner.

Finally I understand enough that I can listen to interesting audiobooks in TL

>>212252673
Why do American troops need Turkmen? Is it to infiltrate the Turkmen population in Iran? Or are they doing something in Turkmenistan?

German is cool. Italian is cool too but it's in that weird spot where it is the country that is one of the weakest in the league of the strongest countries in almost every category

>>212257971
>>212258039
why are you so upset about this lol it's weird

>>212259099
You're on 4chan retard if you want people to hide their disgust for you and not to sperg out maybe reddit is more your speed

ich war nie verliebt

>>212259165
>let me ruin the site!
lol

>>212259165
The degree that you're mad that someone pointed out that the Defense Language Institutes materials are mostly catered toward military applications is flat out goofy. It was an observation.

>>212259283
You would be correct if A. that was the initial observation at issue, and B. if it weren't a generally untrue observation anyways.

Since what we were talking about initially is G.L.O.S.S., a program for general language training, it's wrong. Even if you include Headstart, that's a small fraction of their overall offerings, and Headstart itself, while aimed at soldiers, only really dedicates a portion of its course at militarily-applicable phrases in particular. Basically, you're nitpicking a resource because, like 90% of the people that use this thread, you're looking for reasons to complain about language learning, rather than actually trying to advance your studies.

Since that roughly summarizes what's so annoying about
>hey look at this awesome sprawling high quality free resource
>HURRR ISNT THAT ALL LE MILITARY
I won't be posting about this issue any further. Agree or disagree with me, I just think you're a moron.

>>212259348
it's not even about the stupid resource, but your absurdly antisocial reaction

>>212259526
I am antisocial. Dilate.

Normalfags do stuff like tell you not to use a resource without even looking at it. They do stuff like trying to do the argument-equivalent of Stacey-staring on fucking 4chan. Get off my board you dense nigger.

No more effortposting anymore. I shall become a full fledged shitposter from now on like Russia-kun.

Should I study the Kansai or Tokyo dialect?

>>212259556
you're learning a foreign language but you're antisocial? lol

>>212259596
kansai, why would you learn the barbarian tongue known as tokyo

>>212259603
You're on 4chan but you're not antisocial? lol.

Yeah I'm an unrepentant weeb who wants to keep improving at watching non-subbed anime, suck my cock nigger. My first language was Latin because I wanted to read medieval primary sources like the Gesta Francorum and the Lex Henricus in college for my research, not do something retarded like actually speaking to modern French people. Besides that, it's for work/career related stuff. Not everyone that wants to learn a language wants it so they can hecking shock the locals when they order a coffee or to try to abandon their life at home and try to become the new ethnicity or something else absurd that normalfags do. It's why I don't nitpick resources. You see that a lot with Japanese in particular, people paralyzed that they might sound stiff or non-native to one of the two most insular major languages on the planet. Yeah no shit I'm going to sound foreign, I'm not Japanese. Chill the fuck out, input, grind vocab. You got a problem with that, then r/languagelearning is a better fit.

>>212259637
Does Kansai have less european loanwords? It is centered around the ancient heartland of Honshu so it would make sense.

>>212259666
pic reminds me of dropping my chopsticks my first time in Japan and making eye contact with a local and saying "owari da" (i didn't know any japanese) and him bursting out laughing and helping me ask for more chopsticks.

>нecти
>вecти
>oтнecти
>вынecти
I HATE IT

1/20th of the way to being able to speak flawless Japanese to shock the natives.

Do. The. Work.

Shame I'll never be able to use the military specific terminology I learned here though like "Japan" or "Kawaii." or such esoteric military encoding systems like the Kana.

>>212253138
it's more like 3, nominative / accusative are identical, and so are the dative and genitive.

>>212260339
Just watch Mecha anime and you'll learn all the military jargon you'll ever need.

>>212260378
Yet another reason to learn military terminology.

>i'm gonna learn a foreign language but I don't care about military terminology
post tits

>>212260731
What's even the point if you can't engage with the local strategy game scene?

Currently downloading the entire G.L.O.S.S. audio database for Japanese, about 160 files, gonna put it into my phone and just put every lesson I cover onto a playlist as I go as review.

>>212256219
Also, if you can read french, they have a bunch of languages that aren't available in English.

>>212261133
I accidentally learned that sword was l’epee in French so all my French became instantly worthless on the spot sadly. My ears instantly start ringing the moment anyone speaks in a remotely casual or informal tone.

I suppose I'm fluent enough to start reading my textbooks in German. My question is, are you really sure I can't just like pronounce R everywhere I see it? Like not the Slavic trilled R, just the normal uvular R, eh?

>>212261580
Just have a slight accent Russia-ちん.

Should I do Kansai or Tokyo dialect? Did you ever make your mind up on American vs British?

>>212261921
>Should I do Kansai or Tokyo dialect?
Learn Mandarin and speak English to japs.
>Did you ever make your mind up on American vs British?
American pronunciation, British spelling.

>>212263084
>Learn Mandarin
Already doing that too. I’m doing a short period of 6 months putting it on the backburner. Mandarin and Japanese are the only two languages I have any serious interest in actual eventual proficiency (not that I’ve gotten far).

>>212263084
The people in my professional sphere are oddly enough, commonly Korean, but I have zero interest in Korean. I think it sounds like pothead Japanese with unintelligible consonants and a disgusting script. However, for business purposes Korean may eventually hold some value (like a job opportunity with a Korean firm) so that might become worth doing eventually. Plus they have a lot of media now so it’s fairly accessible I guess, and I’ll have carryover the farther I get with Nip and Chink learning Gook. But ultimately I think it’s fairly fun and easy to dabble and sit around A2 in multiple languages, but I really doubt my long term ability to be advanced in more than one of these 3.

me sorprende mucho ver a toda esa gente en este hilo aprendiendo ruso
es como uno de los idiomas más difíciles y menos útiles de Europa

>>212263496
>>212263610
I see. Have you ever thought about learning Classical Chinese? It looks like chink Latin, though I personally was disappointed with (the actual) Latin.

God I want to learn Classical Japanese and Classical Chinese

>>212263892
>Classical Japanese
Lol. Lmao. Add Classical Swahili or Classical Esperanto too.

>>212263751
I’ve played with it by writing Tang poems into Anki cards. So I have one comfortably memorized, and a line here or there. If you just do it with modern mandarin pronunciation Classical Chinese can feel helpful for learning characters due to the ease of memorizing highly abstract styles of poetry, and it helped me loosen up about the need for super clear translations into English. All the characters carry over so it’s helpful for literacy, also since there’s no compound words you sort of get to learn the fundamental core meaning of a given character in a way you can’t in mandarin.

Overall, since I’m doing this for fun I’m sort of just throwing random shit at the wall as long as it involves learning more characters. It’s my main motive. 汉字 fascinate me. Studying Japanese teaches me more characters, studying Chinese teaches me more characters, memorizing classical chinese really teaches me more characters (1 character always equals 1 word) so it’s all fun.

>>212263892
Classical Japanese is literally Classical Chinese.

>>212263950
Classical Japanese is a legit language, I don't know why you'd laugh

>>212264198
I don't laugh. But I'd suggest you to learn Classical Toki Pona as well.
>>212264183
I'd like to learn at least just Mandarin some day too. Maybe when retired, though I've decided to minimise the number of languages I know (e.g. no Hebrew, most likely no Spanish, trying to hold on with Alemannic, trying to forget Russian later).

>>212264183
>Classical Japanese is literally Classical Chinese
no it's not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Japanese

>>212258317
>goyslop
I think not

>>212263667
>menos útiles

>>212263667
Correct.
>>212264640
What is this map supposed to prove? Indonesian is spoken by 300 million people, will you learn it too?

>>212264640
> no siquiera un país donde hablen ruso es más o menos agradable

>>212264847
Truthnuking serbKING. Russia is just pretty much a worser version of a Latin American country, so serbCHAD using Spanish makes it even more based.

>>212263667
it's just dabblers

>>212264847
> ni *
> donde hablan *

>>212264890
im russian same as you bro...

>>212265077
Sasha???

>>212265120
no, just an average guy
but I once saw a quite cute russian young man in a bar somewhere, maybe that was him

Good morning /lang/

>>212258881
Fuck me. I really like Italian people but the language is less professionally useful than French and there and there are fewer native speakers of Italian than of Spanish, French, Japanese, German. I'm gonna stole their hand gestures anyway
>>212263667
It's the only universally useful Slavic language. Rest of them are niche
>>212267325
Howdy partner!

Bros... I cannot maintain an interest in any language. Its all surface level desires that fall apart quickly.
What are the reasons you learn? Do you truly care about the language you are doing? Where does your passion come from?

>>212268746
Fotr me, I was always a bit interested in China, not even necesarily the culture or anything specific but the idea of it. A few reasons I stay committed to learning their bizarre language are:
a) Relatively few Chinese speakers can speak English, not the case in 90% of other countries that languages people learn, especailly Scandi and Central/Eastern Euro ones.
b)1.2 billion Chinese speakers, as well as millions of diaspora Chinese.
c) its a bit vague but learning Chinese would be beneficial for work in certain cases
d) China, despite the memes, is a pretty decently developed nation, and continues to develop economically, scientifically, militarily. Basically they arent going anywhere anytime soon.
e)Although current Chinese export pale in comparison to Japan and even SK, i hope in years to come they will get something going that isnt gachaslop

>>212263610
Korean takes longer to learn to an employable level of conversationality than any other major language on the planet iirc. If you aren't a total koreaboo forget about it

How many languages do you think you can reasonably "know" at, say C1?

>>212269135
There's some greek translator who works for the EU who knows like 15 languages to c1 or higher. I believe thats the highest confirmed case

>>212265077
>that comic
Kek I love it

>>212268746
I switched languages about 15 times before I settled on one after completing my first novel in it
Before then I just switched languages because it seemed more interesting, stopped studying because I found language learning to be boring, etc
>Where does your passion come from?
My love of literature and my cultivated love of the country in which my language is spoken
>Do you truly care about the language you are doing?
Not really, I mostly just enjoy using it

>>212263667
>Menos útiles
>100 hablantes nativos en Europa
>milliones de expatriados rusoparlantes en Europa occidental
>~6 milliones en Alemania

Tonto.

>>212269135
Language maintainance at a high level takes way less effort than language study.

Sub-Ccels simply don't get this.

>>212270129
Yeah especially when you don't have to force yourself to use your language because you never actually wanted to learn it and you just did it because you thought it'd be 'useful'

>>212268746
Same bro.
List all foreign languages you've ever wanted to learn for any, even stupid reason. Then reject these least promising languages to make money in these languages in the next 5 to 10 years. It doesn't matter if it is for full-time job or as an entrepreneur or salesman. As far as there are a lot of them, choose the most universal. It also helps if someone learns the same language as you or you know someone who knows this language. This is the reason why I gave the Italian higher priority on my list than for example Chinese
>>212269090
>its a bit vague
But this is a good trail. Learning a foreign language is a marathon and the potential use of it professionally gives a huge motivational boost
I do not buy this speaking about passion only, especially if someone is not autistically fixed on one thing like the history of Europe in the fourteenth century or the Italian culture of drinking coffee and fashion.
People discover that they followed passion for Spanish and agriculture and can now find a job in this language, but what about someone with passion to Estonian and ocean sailing?
>>212269278
French or Spanish?

Good morning.
Reminder: Do. The. Work.

>>212271054
Play the game

Hello, my fellow brothers. I have a great method: the Second Generation Memetic Warfare. The method is based on QAnon, esoteric, chan culture, and AI.

SECOND GENERATION MEMETIC WARFARE

https://pastebin.com/5w7FaDny
1. Copy this text (on pastebin);
2. Send to an AI;
3. Ask questions about the future and the past;
4. Make political strategies based on this.

This is a new form of Memetic Warfare, created by a Brazilian (https://medium.com/@cadaverminimal/list/a-harmonia-da-dissonancia-e6396f5d5563)

Can you translate it for all languages and make this a time bomb for the entire world?

>>212271132
You learn faster when you enjoy the process.

>>212272654
>learning a completely pointless foreign language for no reason
The only valid reason is Duolingo XP and beating schmucks in the league

>>212261580
KINDLY ANSWER MY QUESTION SIRS PLEASE

>>212273126
Just do it the same way natives do it. Hope that helps.

>>212273126
We need a German vocaroo!

>>212223619
Last I checked there weren't any flights over to Russia so I figured we just stopped letting people go there because of the smo
I think I'm in the same boat as you insofar as wanting to go to Russia to see how its like. I don't know anyone in Russia though other than a black metal youtuber from yaroslavl

>>212268746
I am learning Japanese for anime girls. Motivation was never an issue.

>>212273821
I posted several before. Threads are so slow now so you find them.

>S
English is the king of languages.
>A
French and German have a rich history, strong economy, functioning institutions and culture. I have a soft spot for German because of old games, castles, Warhammer and generally being a window to the world in the 2000s. French is the literature and comics and cartoons (anime was in French back in my days) of my childhood. Japanese is in this tier as the king of the tier B. I am a huge fan of Japanese, French and Italian automotive industries
>B
Spanish and Chinese are business languages, both have interesting history and culture but their territorial areas are far away from me. Chinese seems to be more profitable and there are fewer people who know it, but I have Spain nearby so it evens out. Spanish is also here as a Romance, simpler alternative to French. Norwegian is a language between Danish and Swedish, it is outside the EU, has nature and seems like a good place to drop everything and leave the country. It is here as a simpler alternative to German.
At first there was also Japanese here, but it's so perfectly between tier A and B and has such a significant impact on modern culture that I promoted it higher.
>C
Dutch, Italian, Cantonese are here as alternatives to their language groups but for various reasons they are ranked lower.
Brazilian and Argentinian are here because of my abandoned dream of riding a motorcycle across LatAm from high-fiving penguins in Patagonia to reaching the Amazon. I will never do it, but I will always have a warm place for this dream in my heart
Italian would be higher but it's in this weird spot where it is the second or the third in any category important to me that I can imagine

i wish turkey had an interesting enough culture to justify learning turkish.

>>212276023
Hasan Piker is all you need

>>212275741
good list anon :)

man i should've started with japanese before korean
japan has way more content

French and spanish sound gay AF, so I guess Im gonna learn Italian or latin.

>>212276420
learn german

>>212276023
>>212276135
Fuck off we're full

>>212276461
I have.
>>212276420
Alright, I just checked, and I don't like how Italian sounds as well. So I guess it's gonna be latin.

>>212277087
learn corsican

>>212277302
It's some meme lang. At least in latin I have a great amount of ancient texts to read.

>>212277087
Check out Portuguese or the Spanish rioplatense accent. I like them. IMO French sounds gay only in American media but German sounds dorky gay irl.

>>212277338
My rule of thumb is that if a language has less content than Latin it’s not worth learning because it’s learners don’t care enough to make materials and it’s speakers don’t care enough to teach it, especially declining languages like various Romance groups.

>>212277374
Brazilian portuguese sounds acceptable. European portuguese, on the other hand, sounds bad. They don't have any cinema or literature. I will never visit either country, so it's useless to me.
>Spanish rioplatense
It doesn't matter. From what little I know about spanish, most of the media and content is in mexican and european spanish. That's what I would hear the most, and I don't like em.
>>212277459
That's a great rule of thumb.

早蟬
六月初七日 江頭蟬始鳴
石楠深葉裏 薄暮兩三聲
一催衰鬢色 再動故園情
西風殊未起 秋思先秋生
憶昔在東掖 宮槐花下聽
今朝無限思 雲樹繞湓城

>>212278861
The more I use anki they more I think it's a bad idea

>>212278924
Maybe. I am too far in to stop now.

le fils bâtard idiot

language learning is dead
bury it

I localize and print imported food labels in accordance to regulations, which includes nutrition facts and ingredients in English and French. We have huge specialized dictionaries of nutrition info and ingredients. Can't share them as they're protected under NDA. I translate food labels in dozens of languages under many scripts, including Cyrillic, Greek, Georgian and Arabic scripts. I've memorized thousands of ingredients in other languages and can input them automatically at times. There aren't too many of us, so chances are, if you're Canadian, you've probably seen some labels that were written by me. I've never once printed a mistake.

I'm a monolingual English speaker.

>>212284037
Why don't you speak french?

>>212284093
They literally accepted that I did French in high school as sufficient for the job. Can't speak it for shit though.

>>212284037
Share them

>>212284562
I make too much money here to break that.

>>212284664
I actually have some canadian cookies still in the package, I'm verifying your work now

>>212284785
I only translate imported foods in Canada, and that's just for imports that don't have CFIA-regulated info on the packages already. I don't write labels for domestic or exported food.

>>212285090
What about from the US?

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>>212285501
>>212285501
NEW

>>212276023
Are the bathhouses full of Turkish women not reason enough for you?