its literally impossible for a normal human to buy a home nowadays

does it happen in your country?

Wow, just like for the majority of human history.

>>212205613 (OP)
lol no. im sitting comfy in a house i paid 50k for last year.

I would complain about buying a house here but I already know some Euro retards are going to look up listings in bumfuck nowhere Iowa and tell me how good I have it
>LOOK AT THIS 3 BEDROOM HOUSE FOR ONLY 8K WHY DON'T YOU JUST MOVE HERE?? IN MY COUNTRY THIS WOULD BE A 400K!!
Here, I did the work for you.

>>212205613 (OP)
How do gyppos get them

>>212205613 (OP)
>he can't afford a commieblock in mladost 4
grim

>>212205980
in the gyppo ghettos?
they either built them from scraps or those literal favellas without water and electricity cost like 10k euros
the richer ones that buy apartments or build those ugly gypo mansions? they either pick strawberries abroad for a few years or just sent their whole 30 people family to pickpocket/prostitute/beg in western europe

none of them live in a "normal" home in a good part of a city

>>212206108
I read the op as horse instead of home for some reason

>>212205693
Actually, for the majority of human history, that fact would be offset by the possibility of just building a house without some city hall cunt harrassing you over it. It's just that unless you had a family to take care of whose size was to such an extent that it warranted a living space of your own, you didn't have much of an incentive to build it.

>>212206082
>150k euros for a literal cuckbox in a dilapidated panelka from the 70s in a neighborhood where they require you a passport and border check to travel from
>still wont even have a parking spot
nice, amazing even

>>212206197
>without some city hall cunt harrassing you over it
>what is a feudal lord

>>212206834
they wouldn't complain if you built yourself a house out of need. that's how they get killed

>>212205693
no
at least in the americas it was really easy
and land was given for free sometimes if you accepted something out of the city
mom bought a lot when she was 25, 30 walking from downtown, and she wasnt rich

Not too bad here unless you specifically choose to live in some shithole city with exorbitant housing prices caused by mass third world immigration. A typical house in my area is 2-3x my annual wage and I just started my career 2 years ago

>>212205613 (OP)
it does yes

>>212205613 (OP)
i bought a home with a $59k/year income and 720 credit score at 26…

>>212207286
rare honest american

>>212207286
its literally the same here, you can basically find huge houses for almost free in a bumfuck village that just need some renovations, but OP is obviously a little dweeb soiboy who *NEEDS* the le hussle and bussle of a big city and he cant live far from all the shops and cafes

>>212205724
FACT: you cannot suffer in Norway.

>>212205693
No.. for the vast majority of human history you just built a house or living area.

Debt is a recent invention. We should just kill all bankers

You guys want to end the new dark age?
Kill all bankers

>>212208305
there is no slippery slope greater than vigilantism, no thanks. i’d rather they be locked up in jail.

I live in a shithole so my home owning options are very much intact, thank you very much

Euros like to insult our cardboard suburban houses but you can get one for cheap

>>212208185
this. sold 50sqm cuckbox for 275k in the city and bought rural 3 floor house with garage for 50k.

>>212205613 (OP)
Having a house is communism and anti-semitic

>>212208161
Yeah it isn’t that bad at all in most cities and towns. Now there isn’t every career in all these places and so it is a decision some times of picking your dream career vs having a house but there are plenty of cities with various careers and meaningful jobs. I’m 27 and half of my friends have a house. The other half could afford one if they didn’t spend all their money on drinking, cars, doordash, etc or don’t have much training or education and work as a janitor. I don’t have a house but I want to get a wife first which may take a while…
>>212208185
Yep it is funny how they will choose cities specifically known for being expensive and whine that it is expensive. Especially when the policies they support are typically just going to make things worse for housing prices, like they will march in the street against deportations when millions being deported from their city and state will do tremendous things for housing and revitalize neighborhoods back from foreign cultures to American

>>212205613 (OP)
how the fuck there's a house crisis in bulgaria when you have lots of land and barely any kids

>>212205613 (OP)
Don't care.
I'm set to inherit three flats and a house.

>>212209041
ask the people creating the inflated property bubble
they are constructions and new buildings everywhere fucking non-stop, yet price of apartments just keeps rising

>>212208371
If the laws don't serve the people and only serve the criminals they are immoral

It is moral to have a baby born worth more than a doctor could ever be saving lives

You can argue about your infantile morality in the ashes or get on my side

>>212209666
Inheritance tax

>>212209666
but we have laws that do serve the people
undoing 250 years of the greatest republic in human history is a tall order. we still have hope in our system. let the boomers die off and watch how our country blooms, unironically

>>212205613 (OP)
It's pretty cheap here. Rent is like 50 dollars.

Skip.

>>212209666
Btw that second line is clearly sarcasm
I was there in the 90s saying we need to kill Osama fuck the reprocussions
I was saying we need to kill Putin in 2000
I was there saying no one can buy houses In 2007 it's all made up
I was there again in 2016 saying how the trump term would go
And it did

Eventually you all will agree
If you want a better civilization at this point
Kill all bankers now

>>212209754
and whats the minimal wage?

>>212205613 (OP)
Couples can afford a decent house in a lcol city. Forever alone fags like me will probably be rent cucks for life tho

>>212205613 (OP)
I bought my apartment in Fagersta for $4k and the monthly cost is less than $200.

>>212211493
>Fagersta
haha fag

>>212211590
"Fager" means "beautiful" and "sta" mean "city".

>>212205693
I want you lying sacks of shit to die painfully.

People used to have entire families stuffed in a space not any larger than my living room here. I wouldn't want to go back to that.

>>212212114
okay, fager

>>212205613 (OP)
Meh, I could afford it but I'm not sure I want to be tied to this volatile mess of a state for 15+ years. I just rent and invest so I can fuck off back to the lower 48 if things get too bad.

>>212205613 (OP)
we have this thing called squatters rights, funny little common law thing that came about after the black death to keep everyone from pressing ancestral claims on long abandoned properties with no records. alot of people get in trouble since they go live in summer homes of retirees and people with media connections to depict themselves as such, but Even NYC has loads of abandoned houses owned by foreign millionaires as an asset.
Really the problem is that euros and american urbanites love central authority. Gave you a ruling class of secular-priest/bureaucrats who went to college for management of factories but not the creation of them. you guys threw out the warrior aristocrats after ww1, gave them a brief resurgence during ww2 where the entrepreneur industrialists gradually started dying out.
Hr whores and those retarded bureaucrats from chinese history run the modernist west and will until the boomers die out.

>>212205613 (OP)
I swallowed the commute pill. Bought a 4 bedroom house for 350k. I drive an hour one way to work every day. I'm content. Would you be able to do this in your countries?

>>212205613 (OP)
It's definitely hard. A shitty new build in a small commuter belt town is like €450,000 minimum. Meanwhile my parents bought their house in the early 90s for £20,000, it was built in the 1920s and could survive a nuclear bomb

>>212213125
Their house is a large suburban home btw, maybe a 20 minute walk from the city centre

>>212212657
yes, but turning your day in basically 10+ hours working day sounds annoying

>>212212449
holy fuck what a shitty looking house , and for 300k and its in arkansas

>>212213326
It's in Alaska

>>212213481
well, isnt everything in alaska redardedly expensive, cos logistics there are pain in the ass
im sure you can find something way better and cheaper in the heard of the country outside of the big cities

>>212213250
I can get a job closer home when i'm more established in my field. That's how it works. Only the big cities have jobs for fresh out of school noobs

>>212213592
It's not bad if you're in Anchorage (like me), it's about as expensive as living in a city like Seattle but wages here are way higher to attract and then keep people in the state. I make as much as a CPA would back in my home state despite being a regular staff accountant and my wife makes $35/hr as a phlebotomist at a government facility. Also fuck going back to the heartland, I spent my childhood living in that flat wasteland and I'll keep my mountains, gorgeous unspoiled rivers, and ocean.

My grandparents just bought their house
As in full payment upfront, no loans or anything
They considered also buying the plot next to them, but decided it would be too much trouble mowing all the grass
The plot next to them is now worth around 500000€

>>212205613 (OP)
I literally bought a house for 86000 euros and sold it for 250000 euros in 5 months. This is how it looked initially

>>212215025
And the end result

>>212215075
is this loss?

>>212215098
No I made a profit. I wanted to see if I can do this as a business

>>212215098
And the interior. I did not cheap out. I used premium stuff

>>212215025
>>212215075
Textbook sovl vs sovless

>>212215201
Comeonnn it looks cool

>>212215075
>>212215183
I mean good job, looks great, but whats your point? Thats still 90k euros plus probably at least another 50k you spent on finishing it. Average guy, as OP says doesn't have that money just laying around, unless he wants to get cucked by a bank, especially in Romania(or here).

Also, is that near a big city?

>>212215130
>>212215183
good for you but i meant a different loss

>>212205613 (OP)
nope. In the US you can't buy a home if you want a nice sized home in a big city in a decent neighborhood unless your household income is at least $150k/yr. But anyone with a decent job can buy a starter home in a small city or town.

The media makes a big deal about unaffordability because of the bigger cities. The rest of us know that's bullshit.

>>212215130
so what was the profit you nigger

Out of curiosity I checked the Zillow listings for the homes I lived in. Until I was 15, our family lived in a small house on the north side of a smaller city. There were a lot of steel mills and the streets were lined with mill houses. The current listing for the house is $12,000. That is not a misprint. It's in a quiet but rundown neighborhood. The city is half the size it was before a lot of the mills closed years ago.

Then our family moved to San Francisco and bought a house in the late '70s. That house is worth $2 million today.

>>212215570
lol this niggas like 60 years old

>>212205613 (OP)
I live in middle Sweden and about 20 minutes from a city.
>single
>average paying job
>32yo
I bought my place in 2020. Paid half up front, the rest was a loan (already paid off).
When you have income but nothing to spend it on besides food and fuel you kinda save up quickly.

>>212215532
80k

>>212208270
>>212206197
fucking illiterate niggers. most farmers in most societies are tenant farmers, serfs or live-in farm hands/servants. meaning they work land belonging to a landlord, paying their rent in some mix of labor, harvest or cash depending on the time and place.

the vast majority of humans who ever lived did not own their homes.

it wouldn't hurt to learn even the most basic things about a topic before trying to debate it. fucking kill yourselves.

>>212206956
the lord who owned the land would hang you and that would be that.

>>212206834
Feudal lords were practically required to allow the building of a hut thougheh

>>212215988
looks cozy

No, a majority of Norwegians own their home in all age categories.

>>212217796
It is. Just gonna build a roof for the little deck and it will be perfect.

>>212212657
I would kill myself after about one week of this.

>>212205613 (OP)
idk, my parents bought me one at 18

>>212216438
Bait. No way you are this retarded, its just not possible.

>>212205613 (OP)
From scratch yes, but why do people act like they don't inherit nothing but debt? Frugal families around just spending. both me and my sister will inherit enough to buy a house with a loan.

>>212218197
Kek. The average inheritance in Sweden is like 150k sek if you take away the few old money families who bump up the number.
An average apartment in like Gothenburg is around 1.8 million sek.

>>212215025
soul
>>212215075
soulless

>>212217878
how much of the land is yours?

>>212219952
1171 square meters. Not gonna show the backyard because it's too easy to doxx me from the surroundings but it's pretty spacious.

>>212219952
This is just under 1000 for reference.

>>212216320
Where did you learn all the necessary skills and process? Did you get help from someone else that knows about renovating and selling houses?

>>212208542

Define cheap in mortgage repayment plan + years.

>>212205613 (OP)
I mean, I am 28 and I own my apartment.
Wasn't worth it tho. Shit has gone down in value since and I am moving soon.

>>212205613 (OP)
As recently as 2019 you could buy a small move in ready older home for like 50k in my state. Now the same home is probably double or even triple

>>212220671
yeah, i got a house in the countryside during covid too, same amount of land. initially i thought that its not that much, but i already put 2 greenhouses for tomatoes and peppers, planted 12 orchard trees, big patch for cabbage/kale/broccoli/cauliflower/ lots of onions, garlic, potatoes, pumpkins, watermelons and melons and i still have shitloads of space left
thinking of eventually using if for sunflower/corn cos i plan to get maybe some animals in the future and use that for feed.

>>212222066
Yeah I need to get a greenhouse myself. Right now I only grow potatoes and onions outside (small patch) and some herbs inside but it would be nice to have tomatoes and chili etc.

>>212205693
>mfw that flag with that post
some jokes write themselves

>>212205613 (OP)
i need about 20 years of work for the house of my dream
2 floors, several rooms for hobbies, gym, sauna, underground garage for 2 cars and bycicles, garden

>>212222219
>some herbs inside
i planted those outside too, dunno how much different the swedish climate is, but so far so good. and i had wild mint already literally just growing like weed everywhere, i have shitloads of that now
>but it would be nice to have tomatoes
thats literally the main reason why i wanted a garden, literally nothing beats just going to the garden and picking a huge, ripe fucking tomato in the middle of the summer

>>212205613 (OP)
its totally possible everyone who complains about this only looks for homes in super expensive places

>>212223448
not everyone can just steal an entire home by force

>>212223448
Agreed, people should lower their expectation and stop wanting to live like a king. There's plenty of market solution like container homes, and co-ownership to help that.

>>212223168
I grew dill and larger herbs outside but I've had seriously bad luck with rain and nightly frost so half of it usually rots.
So I moved all the herbs into my kitchen under some growth lights.
But with a greenhouse I could have glorious tomatoes and all the herbs outside as well.

>>212223506
population grows, land does not and making gigahuge commieblocks is opposed by everyone who already has homes, NIMBYism + government over regulation + natural population growth means you're gonna live in either a smaller or more peripheral home.

but with internet,self driving vehicles,advances in public transport living further away from centralized 'job hubs' is more and more feasible too

>>212223448
Yep. My coworkers refuse to commute so they all live in overpriced apartments or rent.
I drive 20 minutes (25-30 in winter) and I paid a fraction for my house compared to their apartments which is insane to me.
They always cope by saying shit like "yeah but you have to drive so the cost of that bla bla I can just walk to work lol"..

>>212223658
30m drive is nothing ive had jobs with more, the flexibility of being able to switch workplaces more easily is well worth it with a car.

and with self driving becoming ubiquitous in 3-4 years you're not gonna care about even much longer commutes because you're just gonna watch entertainment ,shitpost 4chan or continue your sleep while commuting.

>>212223796
I used to commute between Uppsala and Stockholm everyday. About an hour drive one way. Well worth it since Uppsala was much cheaper to live in.

>>212215098
kek underrated reply

Pedid una hipoteca y en treinta años tendréis una vivienda en propiedad. Sale más rentable que alquilar.