Thread 212245225

who was in the wrong here

>>212245225 (OP)
a person ethnicity is decided by his father.

>>212245270
says who?

someone is Irish if their nationality is irish, like, I knew a guy whos parents moved from china to here, and then had him, and he had an irish accent and was raised here and was around all the culture etc, he's irish, even though his ethnicity is chinese.

>>212245828
sure buddy
>>212245225 (OP)
the guy might be half irish but he doesnt look irish, therefore other irish people dont accept him as irish, therefore he isnt irish, its all just about race at the end of the day

>>212245828
>He's irish but his ethnicity is chinese
Then he's a chinese with irish nationality
A piece of paper with a flag on it doesn't mean anything

>>212245781
You take your father's family name, why don’t you think you’re taking his ethnicity?

>>212246869
>You take your father's family name
says who?
>why don’t you think you’re taking his ethnicity?
your dna doesnt give a shit about cultural norms

>>212245225 (OP)
Most people would say that he isn't Irish. Most people also think that phenotypes matter. I don't have a view on it myself but that is probably what most people would say.

>>212247587
Says the norm. For all of human history people were linked to their fathers because they’re the dominant element. No one from 700 years ago will say “well actually I’m half Chinese from my dad’s side and half Korean from my mother's side so I identify as both”

>people are unironically saying immie
I started this by making fun of the band Idles on /mu/. Kek, I feel like the 2019 Joker.

>>212245225 (OP)
The guy in the picture for actually wanting to be Irish

>>212245828
insane mindset

>>212246869
This is not how it works in Islam or any ancient culture

>>212245828
Irish-American timmies will SEETHE at this

>>212245781
me

>>212248934
Is there an Islamic proof that proves what I’m saying wrong? Please share it.

>>212245225 (OP)
the first comment has absurd
>SAAAR ACCEPT US WE JUST LIKE WE LE RATIONAL AND KNOW OUR PLACE
energy

>>212245828
A Mongolian pony born and raised in Arabia is not an Arabian Thoroughbred. My family has been in Canada for 250 years that doesn’t make me bloody Cree. (That’s a local feather Indian tribe to you outlanders.)

>>212249616
In Islam it's not required to take the surname of the husband

>>212245781
said god when she explained how the murder of the mother is less of a crime then the murder of the father
don't you know the etiological story of democracy retard?

>>212248326
which fucking norm, ur not even considered a real jew if ur dad is jew, it comes from the mother, if ur dad is white but ur mom black and u look like some black mutt that makes u white cuz ur dad is white?
>No one from 700 years ago will say “well actually I’m half Chinese from my dad’s side and half Korean from my mother's side so I identify as both”
says who? ur own mind where u just decided that?

>>212245270
Talorc MacEnfrith

>>212245225 (OP)
>that pfp
People that use their 4chan personality outside of 4chan should kill themselves

>>212245270
for mixed race people it's decided by which race of their two racial ancestry groups they are loyal to.

>>212245225 (OP)
>immie
What a lame ass "slur" just call him a fucking sandnigger or goatfucker or something

>>212245225 (OP)
kek at the poolack who has to mention that his parents are in fact NOT bums

>>212250285
The son is linked and named after his father.

>>212252919
Blacks are interesting because breeding with them results in people who don’t look like the mixer that much. In Arab history Arabs who have black mothers are considered Arabs.
>that makes u white cuz ur dad is white?
This is how it should be. It’s just whites have a weird understanding of race and purity. Let me ask you a question. The last Umayyad king in Iberia was probably less than 5% Arab. Now I’m not gonna mention his identity, but let’s say his son or grandson is just a normal bloke, would you consider him mixed race or Arab?

>>212253695
>Arabs who have black mothers
what about black fathers?

>>212253830
We leave that to swedes

>>212245225 (OP)
too good looking to be irish desu

>>212254010
seems race mattered all of a sudden

>>212254042
When did it say it didn’t

>>212245828
Kek, good one

>>212253695
It's because so many arabs mixed with black women that to disown them is equivalent to disowning a 1/6th of all living arabs.

Ibn Khaldun said: Mecca is too well-known to require introduction or description. However, when its Quraysh inhabitants disappeared after the second century Hijri due to recurring strife in the Hijaz (due to Alawites), it became deserted of Quraysh. None remained there except followers of Banu Hasan and a mixture of other people, most of whom were black slaves from Ethiopia and Daylam.


The Quraishis and other true purebred arabs went up north, and of course even there black slaves and some quadroons followed them

Arab tribes even scattered across the world, like the Rabaris in india who are by now wholly jeets

That was the original great replacement

this is what someone with very high original arab admixture looks like, also refer to ancient sculptures like that of Phillip The Arab

>>212254523
White man

>>212254523
this is NOT what high arab admixture looks like

>>212245270
trvth. y-dna is all that matters

>>212250178
Nationality and ethnicity aren't one in the same

This is not to say the pure 90% Arabs went extinct but obviously they are an extremely small and vanishing minority
Myriad populations from all corners of the world moving in and settling on our lands, as early as the persians who defected to the muslim army, then you had indian zutt jatts settling in south iraq, abbasid bringing god knows how many black slaves to basra that even after nearly 800 years there is still a sizable black population in basra, inflow of slavic women from Ottomans and Abbasids.

>who are the original arabs.

The original Arabs inhabited a landmass that would encompass modern day north Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Southeastern Syria. Their first leader in recorded history was called Jundub جندب. They were most settled across Syria with a scattered population in north iraq that build kingdomes like hatra and osroenne in north Iraq and the lakhmids in south iraq but the vast majority were in Syria.

The original Arabs are extremely closely related to Assyrians and Syriac populations.

>>212255005
That is a Syrian Arab, Syrians are the most pure Arabs. I am not Syrian btw.

>saaaar we polish irish saaaaar we better than arab irish saaaaaaaaar pls do the needful
Every diasporafag should be thrown into a volcano

>>212245225 (OP)
All culture is passed down patrilineally.
> but my mom taught me this ethnic nursery rhyme and and aaaack!!
Shan't be taken seriously

>>212255337
>Syrians are the most pure Arabs. I am not Syrian btw.
hollering of laughter rn

>>212255502
not here for sure because in like half of all families the father is either not present or an utterly pussywhipped alcoholic degenerate who barely interacts with his children outside the occasional fit of drunken violence

>>212245225 (OP)
his mom is irish
he has an irish surname
he has over 50% euro genetics since his father is venezualan
he was born and raised in ireland
so yeah he is irish, doesnt matter tho cuz he looks like a nafri

>>212245225 (OP)
>his mom is no longer irish she is a race mixer
but isnt that the most irish thing to do?
werent they notorious racemixers in the usa

>>212245270
your race is your mother's, you formed from her womb

>>212245828
>Brown boy trying to get white male validation be like
Saaaaaar I'm white saaaar pure Irish Gaelic ethnicity GEEEEEEEG

>>212246869
surnames didn’t use to be a thing in most cultures until 1,000 years ago

>>212258323
People would refer themselves as "son of" or claim patrilineal descent from some tribe or clan
Birthright inheritance was from the father to the first son

Maternal lineage never mattered.
Females are the big gamete
They receive. A male can create millions of children but as female bear 8 at most.
Race is defined by the father (and so is by the father of the mother, and the father of her mother, etc etc etc.)

>>212258345
> “son of" or claim patrilineal descent from some tribe or clan

That’s not a surname. Surnames arose by men either naming themselves after their profession “Smith, Taylor, Potter”), or they adopted the name of the tribal chieftain as their own, or they adopted the name of a male or female ancestor. But what distinguishes a surname from a “son of, son of, son of” naming convention, is that a surname doesn’t change across generations.


> Maternal lineage never mattered.

Some surnames are derived from the name of a female ancestor, such as ‘Bernadette’, which is the house of the royal family of Sweden. There was also a noble house in Italy which was named after a female ancestor who had children with a crusader, but I forgot the name of that house.

>race is defined by the father
Race is determined by genetics, and people inherit just as much genes from their mother as they do from their fathers(its actually slightly more from the mothers, as people inherit all of their mitochondrial DNA from their mothers).

>>212258438
>That’s not a surname
It is lmao. Son-of (say, Williamson, Johnson)!is one of the most common surnames

Even smith is basically referring to the epithet "son of the smith"
Some surnames stuck longer than others. But the point is that your father is what mattered.
>Some surnames are derived from the name of a female ancestor
Appealing to a situational exception to disprove the rule is not cutting here.
The fact you can count these cases in popular culture by hand traces with the fact patriarchal inheritance was always the rule
Societies with female leadership always collapse because females submit to conquerors.
The protagonist of society is the male.
Males *radiate*, is a biological character.
Females are vessels. A good vessel is shaped after it's intended content, but a vessel is not the protagonist ever, the content is.
Female and male nature are essentialy different
>Race is determined by genetics
Genetics are determined by among other factors the reproductive strategy.
Paternal ancestry is more relevant than maternal
Human populations structure across Ydna polymorphism
mtdna is much more evenly distributed.

Race isdetermined by the character of the mother and father but moreso the father
A whore is an outcast that in tradition gives birth "demons and abominations" women have to serve the male and males have to keep a shape that maintains their dominion
Bastards are biowaste and sons of whores
This was always the rule.

A chihuahua is not the same race as a wolf, because it descends from domestic cuckcreatures

>>212258587
The Son-of naming conventioj changes every generation. Tom is the son of John, Peter is the son of Tom; it would be right to call Tom ‘Tom Johnson’, but it wouldn’t be right to call Peter ‘Johnson’, since John isn’t Peter’s father, but his grandfather. Peter is ‘Thomson’, not ‘Johnson’. The last name changes every generation. This is the naming convention in Iceland.

In Britain, a surname is permanent, a grandfather and father and grandson would all have the same surname.

> Paternal ancestry is more relevant than maternal
No it isn’t. Maternal derived genes are expressed just as strongly as paternal derived genes.

>>212258663
>The Son-of naming conventioj changes every generation.
It doesn't matter
It remains a patrilineal tradition.
Son-of is a patriarchal naming structure and this is what statistically matters.
British Ydna is more structured than British MtDna
Wanna guess why? People refers after their father

>No it isn’t.
Yes it is, a father is who determines your heritage.
If you descend from a whore you have no history. You are the child of repugnant union.
Your history is after your father. Be he either a conqueror or a patriarch.
If your father cucked your mother race, then you are a bastard. If your father is of the same patriarchal lineage as your mother then you are his inheritor.

Paternal lineage and paternal genes are what matters.
A woman genes only matter in regards of whatever she is chaste or a whore.
A chaste woman will produce sons that will look up to their father because they are the same

A whore will produce mutt abominations.
Females are just holes. Their genes matter only in what they can offer your sons

>>212245225 (OP)
>who wrong
the wog. All brown cunts need to go back to where they came from.

>>212259166
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Good morning sir

My Mick family name transmogrified into Strayan. No, it doesn't derive from Ulster. Yes, my family is Catholic. The Australian race is a beautiful one.

>>212245225 (OP)
>mom is irish
How come? he looks straight out of morocco

>>212259931
Maybe he is half somali

>>212259976
apparently venezuelan
https://www.tiktok.com/@matty1038
i still doubt his mom is irish though

>>212253695
>Blacks are interesting because breeding with them results in people who don’t look like the mixer that much.
they do if you care to look

>>212254523
>black slaves from Ethiopia and Daylam.
???
daylam is a region from iran

>>212245828
jewish idea and i mean literally its a rootless cosmopolitan idea

>>212260528
I do, they look different.