Thread 212294931

communism needs a second chance

>>212294931 (OP)
communism or real communism

>>212294931 (OP)
Rich people need to redistribute their wealth. To me.

>>212294931 (OP)
But but... it's LE BAD though!? D:

Real neo-liberal economics has never been tried

But no-one would want to become a doctor if they get paid the same as a Burmese finger puppet seamster

>>212294931 (OP)
But this time a super AI computer takes all the decision, no moronic bureaucrats, take away the corruptible human element from it, we just do whatever the super computer says

>>212295096
True, the raison d'etre for human is to make the economic system function.

>>212294931 (OP)
I like some practices of socialism/communism but I dont agree with the ideology. You can adopt these practices and have a completely different justification.
What I find so annoying about communists is that they dont understand theories and models are things you use in your head and you mentally superimpose on reality (like using a plastic transparent sheet and use marker to do some diageams) and it helps you understand/predict the reality you observe and they only work sometimes. They believe their models are under reality itself like a magnetism or gravity. They are so annoying.

>>212295209
have you read a lot about it or is your knowledge superficial

>>212295117
>Overseer:Computer, maximise the aggregate consumption utility of all humans in this sector subject to an equality quotient of 2.5

>Computer: Unable to comply, unacceptable levels of negative externality heteroskedacity over 3 consecutive quarters due to employment changes

>Overseer: Force graduating university STEM students to delay employment until next year

>Computer: Acknowledged...unacceptable scientific progress detected from 9th cycle

>Overseer: I will call the Council

>>212295096
Someone has to tell the computer what are the basic values under which it operates and the hierarchy so when there is contradiction knows what to choose. Is the same as having one human leader and use AI make him inmortal.
That and I believe people dont realize how much including in government, is simply understood implicitly and is not in any laws or the constitution. And we dont want to make it explicit.

for communism to happen you'd have to execute everyone with a modicum of dark triad traits and keep those features from returning through some kind of brainfucking technology else you'll always have some chimp psychopath trying to take control and centralize manpower

then if you take out our capacity for violent behavior, there's no one to protect your little hippie society, a dysgenic nation with 1 billion warrior slaves ruled by a psychopathic opportunist will steamroll you

how can Communism work without an authoritarian government that defeats the point of communism

>>212295303
>Computer, exterminate the oversupply of codemonkies.

>>212295338
step by step we can move towards utopia

>>212295251
im telling how communist treat their ideology based on my discussions with communists. I have read a bit of The Capital but not a lot. I have read other texts relevant to society like The Leviathan, The Prince and others and I treat what I learn like I said, as models you super impose on the reality you see, sometimes they are useful and sometimes they are not.

>>212294931 (OP)
"Second" chance?

>>212295379
perhaps your interactions with communists didn't go well because they could sense your arrogance

>>212295338
It's a cute dream because in theory everyone working for common good is great but realistically even amongst the most selfless people the willingness to sacrifice your entire life for someone else breaks up once you go past close family.

>>212295420
Here we go again.

>>212295429
have a good day

>>212295442
I will, and you expand your horizons beyond marxism.

no, i will not

>>212295057
Exactly, that's why the USSR had no doctors whatsoever and the average life expectancy there was 40. Good thing the capitalism introduced healthcare to Slavs

>>212295554
>t. Ossi

Sad! marxists will go on about how based their marxist dialectic is but won't read Hegel or Kant who came up with the dialectic method.
Which is built upon the method of medieval monks and priests.

>>212294931 (OP)
I wouldn't give chance to the communism same to that of 20th century.

my suggestion of the acceptable communism is
- market prediction is to be performed every week for the next several months by the super computers, instead of just annually by human hands like in Soviet.
- forbid every chain of command from a person to a person. They must always interact with AI for the reports of his work.
This is to deal with the fundamental contradiction against equality that has caused strong nepotism in the socialist regimes.

>>212295705
>sociopathic hacker breaks into the communal AI and gives himself admin privileges
>no one can stop him since there is no police
>he is now dear leader and we're back to square 1

>>212295645
>Sad! marxists will go on about how based their marxist dialectic is but won't read Hegel or Kant who came up with the dialectic method.
>Which is built upon the method of medieval monks and priests.


Its not.

Marx denounced hegelians. His theories about capitalism are founded on mathematics, empiric evidence and philosophy, not on obscure "dialectics".

>>212294931 (OP)
real capitalism has never bween tried

This time Lithuanians will be the ruling elite of the party, Russians aren't fit to govern themselves or others.

let's try it first in Poland

>>212297468
>not dialectics
Lmao marx "contradictions" refer to dialectical contradictions

>>212297468
>His theories about capitalism are founded on mathematics, empiric evidence
lol

>>212295554
>Good thing the capitalism

slav spotted

Vgh, what could have been
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJLA2_Ho7X0