Thread 212310039

My language is about to die in the next decade and I blame the shitty government for promoting made-up nationalist identity over local ones. I hope someone bomb this country and break it into multiple smaller states.

>>212310039 (OP)
No offense but why would anybody want to speak your little baby local language when you can speak the lingua franca? I mean that's just history dude, get over it. Where is Manx or Occitan or Algonquin?

>>212310266
It's my identity. I don't want another one that is not my own. I don't like being forced to change for something I don't agree with and is NOT a crime to blame for in the first place.

>>212310397
Maybe you don't agree but that's life dude. Sorry but small useless local languages are just irrelevant in today's day and age.

>>212310266
>>212310456
Many of these "small" languages often in the 100 thousands or more than a million.

>>212310503
And? Nobody speaks it but them. That's why they use Indonesian. A few 100k speakers in a language is tiny these days

>>212310039 (OP)
You can blame us. It was we who tricked your cuntry to adopt the Johor-Riau version of Bahasa. We also tricked your cuntry to adopt our English-based spelling scheme instead of your Dutch-based scheme.

>>212310571
We are close to 100 mil actually but our nationalism is pretty strong and our elites are cucked beyond measure.

>>212310621
You speak Javansese?

>>212310571
>A few 100k speakers in a language is tiny these days
It's not. It's not he's gonna get a substantial pay bump for doing so.

>>212310662
Yes. Problem is, as the major ethnic group we are actually the master of everything in this country to the point that we impoverish outer islands just for us but it also makes us too dependently cucked on this country.

>>212310039 (OP)
Shit happens, blame golobohomo or "nationhomo" in this case.
I for example probably wouldn't be able to hold a conversation with any of my great-grandparents when they were young.

>>212310039 (OP)
my language is already extinct and we don't even have an identity, we all speak bosnian, which is mandatory government policy and are flooded with bosnian immigrants - at this point there's way more of them than us

My ancestor language is Lithuanian and I thank god my parents teached me Russian instead of that useless crap

>>212311214
Being useless is relative. You might fare better as a Lithunian in the EU rather than being in a sanction-ladden country like Russia.
Also you betrayed your ancestors. That's a shame.

>>212310926
kajkavian or that dalmatian one?

>>212311310
Just looking at cost of rent and utility bills in Lithuania makes me dread so not really. I prefer cheap cost of actually necessary things over netflix and spotify. And no, I didn't betray anybody. Despite all the toxic shit westoids spit out here you can actually be a Russophile Balt.

I don’t speak any of the languages my ancestors spoke

>>212311545
What languages?

>>212310039 (OP)
Imagine how kino it would be if every island was a different country with completely different language and religion. Alas the Dutch exist

>>212311652
Almost, but having islands as independent entities might spell doom for small nations.
But who knows, our Oceanic cousins are still alive and well, if the rising sea levels don't wipe their lands off maps in a century or so, so yeah.

>>212311454
kajkavian parts, we were always the most developed and populated region of croatia and still are, but politically completely irrelevant

>>212311454
>Dalmatian one
I never saw any Chakavians on 4chan if that's what you're asking. From what I see most Dalmatians here at best only pronounce and write "i" instead of "ije" or "e". They also got mostly replaced by Serbs and Bosnians in interior Dalmatia, Lika and former parts of Croatia in northern Bosnia. Basically in Dalmatia the only Chakavians that survived were those that lived under Venice and didn't get completely assimilated by Italians, so most on islands and natives from coastal towns are usually the ones that know or speak it.
I have limited knowledge on Chakavian from my mother's side but we don't actively speak it in the house because my dad's native dialect is something else entirely.

>>212310039 (OP)
that's why benedict anderson is little fucking cuck bitch liberal, and should be killed on sightt for spouting his stupid fucking ass theory, man hate fucking liberal le civic "nationalism" so much its unreal

>>212313038
a few generations ago my family pretty much didn't even speak croatian and we live in the most developed part of the country near zagreb
and it didn't really disappear, but because education and modern services got introduced here very early it sort of just melded down in standard croatian - that's the best way to describe it - with every generation people just started speaking more and more "standard"

>>212310039 (OP)
good, get fucked kampung

>>212310039 (OP)
takeover the government and make the new government as anti-american and antisemitic as possible so that america + australia would bomb us

>>212313455
also from personal experience only people who speak chakavian are istrians - at this point chakavian has become istrian language

>>212310397
>I don't like being forced to change
What a crybaby

>>212313635
>so that america + australia would bomb us
Why would the two countries that designed this country (post-WW2) dissolve it? It's more likely that they would just install a friendly government but keep the whole territory intact.

your cunt doesn't matter

Crazy that most of these languages have MORE speakers than they’ve ever had in history yet they are also more endangered than ever

>>212313679
>also from personal experience only people who speak chakavian are istrians
That's what I'm also starting to notice and it might become true in the near future. You know how some young people from the north speak with a heavy Kajkavian accent or even sometimes not being able to properly even speak the standard? I only saw that with Istrian Chakavians and rarely Chakavians around Rijeka.
Dalmatians all collectively just use ikavica, some romance words and more Serbian and Turkish loans while Istrians use almost none unless they're actively trying to speak the standard. Today most Dalmatian Chakavian is as Chakavian as neo-purger špreha is Kajkavian.

>>212310266
You wouldn't get it. Every major ""national language"""" in history has had to destroy another at some point because people don't just magically replace their identity and history within a generation. External factors ruin everything and then come people like (You) who say "that's just history dude" as if you'd talk to your kids in Spanish after fifty billion Latinos move to the US.

>>212310039 (OP)
>>212310397
And what have you done personally to preserve said identity from extinction?
...
Figures

>>212310039 (OP)
>My language is about to die in the next decade
Why, are you 90? Don't you speak it?
Since you care about this you should make an effort to preserve the language before it's too late. Many languages are in this situation and often these efforts are successful. Your language probably already has some org working on revitalization, join it. Of course, have kids and teach the language to them.

Ignore the haters in this thread, people without any knowledge of linguistics talking about languages always come up with garbage

>>212314136
>Dalmatians all collectively just use ikavica
even bosnians do that
and people from dalmatia that i've know openly identify as "vlachs" are are borderline aware they are catholicised serbs, while real coastline dalmatians are racist towards them and live in their own communities
real problem with chakavian is that original chakavian speakers are less than 10% of the actual population totally drowned out in a sea of vlachs and bosnians, while kajkavians tend to be by default more numerous
didn't help that everyone by the coast was an atheist communist so they had really low birth rates

>>212315137
holy shit leaf, you fucking killed him

>>212315673
Are Dalmatians irreligious though? They like to larp as trad and nationalistic.
I know most of those young Istrians I was talking about are active Catholics.

>>212310039 (OP)
Indonesian be like
Gukakaka jakajial skeozhe ageikq en