What is the future of this country?

>>212337171 (OP)
Khazaria

>>212337171 (OP)
a future EU and NATO fren

A shining beacon in the development of clittybuster bombs, example here.

>>212337171 (OP)
Next Israel

>>212337171 (OP)
I hope my future wife is there

Zelensky plans to reduce their population to 10 million at least, so that they can survive on western gibs and agriculture output

>>212337171 (OP)
Hell if I know. Nevertheless, I'm fairly optimistic.

>>212337228
How is this a bad thing though

>>212337264
Good news for us, bad for them

>>212337255
You should rather become realistic, your "leaders" played the geopolitical game extremely dogshit. Its almost as bad as can be irl, it could be even worse but you're not far off

Darwin Award the country

>>212337316
uh oh

>>212337219
This.
Khazaria is the future of ukraine

>>212337369
gottem

>>212337171 (OP)
3 million dead Zs

>212337316
When are you going back again?

>>212337284
It's not bad for them though big populations are always a liability EVEN if it is still a rich country

>>212337171 (OP)
Years if not decades of clearing mines and unexploded munitions

>>212337171 (OP)
miracle on the dnieper river

>>212337171 (OP)
Under the current regime, not good. I remember watching a youtube video where they said that zelensky's basic raison d'etre was to look good on TV, cause he's a TV actor. Similar to Drumph, they care more about how they look on TV than doing what's right for their country or money or power or whatever. Everything they do serves the end goal of looking good on TV

>>212337198
oooiiink oink oink oink

>>212337466
uh oh..

>>212337228
And make place for jews to settled there.
Ukraine is plan b for jewry

>>212337500
if putin doesnt want to make super israel he can stop invading and killing slavs doe?

>>212337171 (OP)
DIGITAL SUPER POWAH

>>212337511
Chuds think just because he is Jewish zelenesky is part of the Jewish cabal that wants to ruin the world unaware he is literally one of the most normal leaders and Jewtin is one of the biggest goys

>>212337369
bodied that freak

>>212337171 (OP)
They have a bright future as our fellow EVROPEAN brothers

>>212337369
>>212337489
>proud russian patriots when you ask them to live in russia and post under the russian flag

>>212337539
OH N-

>>212337391
It's not bad for their elites when their only source of income is foreign help

But bad for country since you have less sovereignty, culture and relevance.

50kk country can be major european power

10kk country is irrelevant by definition if not very developed like Sweden and Ukraine needs 100 years at best to reach Sweden s level

>>212337255
To expand on my optimism, the quality of life will definitely improve, in large part, because of our progress with eurointegration and positive reforms, that are part of our commitments with other international organizations, like the IMF.

Besides, the war has largely destroyed the "powerbase" of the oligarchs that the decisionmakers in the western europe and north america like to point to so much. I think it's quite fair to say that they have largely disappeared from public life and economy.

Moreover, the post-war political landscape will be very different from what it was before, especially with the veterans coming into politics and forming a big power block. And those people don't fuck around.

Also, we are becoming much more integrated with the EU economically, which is bringing a lot of positive change. And the war has greatly revitalized our MIC, to the point where it's one of the most capable on the continent and spurs the development of other high-tech industries.

>>212337744
To clarify, picrel is not an endorsement

>>212337171 (OP)
probably like cambodia. their fields are littered with mines and chemicals from warfare. gonna take decades to clear all that out

dude your president is a literal jewish clown from KVN

>>212337796
Putin made sure those contaminated fields are only on the pro russian donbass side. Especially since he loves bombing ever 5 pop village with hundreds of tons of ordinance instead of just taking ukraine in a blitzkrieg like any competent nigga would do

>>212337744
You also have normie western support which is the big thing you never had before. It means future Ukraine integration into the western world will be more easily acceptable.

>>212337744
Tl;dr

Your "optimism" is you being a brainwashed c u c k. Nobody wants to read paragraphs of regurgitated propaganda vomit from a loser

>>212337825
>You also have normie western support which is the big thing you never had before. It means future Ukraine integration into the western world will be more easily acceptable.
That's a large part of it too. Sure, a lot of people still have some very "interenstig" ideas and beliefs about my country, but I do think it's much better than it was before.

>>212337796
I was thinking Bosnia
>country split in part
>dysfunctional politics/governance system
>extremely corrupt
>very poor
>littered with mines and unexploded ordnance
>population collapse, 1/3 of citizens live abroad
>EU/NATO accession de-facto frozen

>212337826
No answer? (>>212337389)

>>212337876
What you "think" is irrelevant, you barely have conscious thought process judging by your above word diarrhea

The biggest problem with Ukrainians esp "patriots" like you is you acting like cattle irl. Things don't get better because of delusional Dreams and wishes, you have to do something ACTIVELY yourself and with your countrymen. You need agency, EU and NATO won't arrive like Prince Charming on a white horse

>>212337198
oooiiink squeeeeeee

Will probably do decent once Russia fails again as is more or less perpetual. Hopefully Russia can fail for real and hard this time, instead of trodding along in non-catastrophic but still shit shit, so that it can be rebuilt less shit. Think it would be best for the Russians.

>>212337826
>no arguments just 4chan buzzwords
classic Zigger

>212337953
No reply, how peculiar (>>212337389)

>>212337953
>>212337955
russian niggas changing vpns and acting like this and then they ask why ukrainians hate them
LMFAOOOOOOOOOO BABAOOEY

>>212337967
Der er ikke noget at svare på i det indlæg, det er ikke værd at spilde tid på sådan noget barnerøv

>>212337171 (OP)
Don't know. I hope they can recover from the rusgolem chimpout and lead prosperous and happy lives one day.

>>212338000
The Danish flag is a known russoid disporoid

>>212337744
>because of our progress with eurointegration
uhhh...who will tell him?

this ziggachimp knows how to use google translate they're evolving

war tourism

ukrainians saw western governments ethnically replacing their population for thirdies, our life quality plunging and a steep demographic decline and hough "we gotta die for that"

relalistically i can imagine EUcrats funding some makeup + extractive industries to inflate Ukraine economy, then flood it with pajeets and show how eurogibs can rebuild a country from scratch

of course, a pact with the devil under jewish leadership, ukraine (the state) will remain existing as a fully American occupied proxy with large jewish influence, a declining slavic population, and a complete loss of autonomy.

it depends on priorities really, would you rather become rich but lose everything that made your nation yours or be a miserable slav, but still a slav

>>212337744
>especially with the veterans coming into politics and forming a big power block

Illusion. I'm partly from Ukraine and have relatives there, I can definitely say that pro-russian people now there aren't decreasing since they aren't retards who die at frontlines.

Also your economy will never improve due to shittiest demographics in the world

On one hand I feel sorry for them but on the other hand we cannot let them develop too much because they would be our serious economic competitor.

>>212337820
>>212337890
actually absurd what is happening to that country. they didn't even try to attack russia or anything. what a pointless war.
seeing what's happening in ukraine really opened my eyes to the damage my own country causes for its own bullshit excuses.
war is actually sick

>>212338077
>>212338079
nice spacing hivan

>>212338037
There is obviously Orban, but he is not eternal and Article 7 remains a possibility. Besides, it doesn't stop us from actually adopting or harmonizing the legislation in the meantime.

>>212338077
>be a miserable slav, but still a slav
why do you think being a slav is somehow prestigious and something you should want to be lmao
i'd unironically wish i were less slavic and had more middle eastern (jewish or arabic) genes, not only would i be more handsome and be more successful with blonde girls but i'd be also smarter and more extravert, surely i wouldn't be an incel

>>212338102
Orban will be gone soon he got outchudded by some new guy

>>212338097
literally 2 seconds appart

>>212338102
>There is obviously Orban
it's not really about Orban chuddying out, just Ukraine in the EU poses a threat to many EU countries in terms of economic competition.

>>212338079
Bipю, я пoвipив

>>212337369

This guy isn't Russian.
Pretty much every word is botched to the point when calling them misspelled isn't sufficient, and the structure of sentences makes no sense.
This stuff is to Russian what Dutch is to English,

>>212338077
As opposed to russia who is actively murdering ukrainians from conquered territories, sending them to prison or forced conscription and then replacing every ukrainian city with chechens and churkas? Check out Mariupol after russification
I know you're a vpn btw faggot. All your propaganda doesnt work because we know the truth

>>212338103
>why do you think being a slav is somehow prestigious and something you should want to be lmao
i don't measure my people value on the prestige it offers to other or to some productive indexes, what do i care if Austrians produce less gdp per square meter than gooks? i am not a working unit, i want austrians to keep existing because i am one and i want that which is like me to keep living.
you could tell me pajeets could build utopia at expense of replacing us and i would chose to see the utopia burn
i'm not some sort of technocrat accelerationist

>>212338082
>didn't try to attack Russia
During their Maidan chimpout they were screaming slogans like Muscovites to the gallows, Maidanites harp about putting the Kremlin on fire, call Russians mongol orks and what not, burnt Russians in Odessa etc and this was in 2014
Fuck around and find out

>>212338128
That's just fearmongering, because benefits of integration far outweigh the costs for everyone.

>>212338077
Russians are doing the same thing thoughbeit, they are killing their own population of able bodied men and are replacing them with foreigners in record numbers, to the tune of hundreds of thousands per year now.
So same same.

>>212338180
>fsb retards lit their own building up with molotovs in odessa
ITS DA HOHOLZ

>>212338183
>because benefits of integration far outweigh the costs for everyone.
For western nations - for sure.
For eastern nations - debatable. Eastern European nations do not have their own companies that would benefit from outsourcing their low-end jobs to a cheaper country - we are the low-end countries ourselves. I cannot see what Poland or Hungary could gain from Ukraine in the EU, other than getting just a big and strong competitor for western investments, western funds, western tourists + obviously huge damage in sectors where Ukraine has large comparative advantages like agriculture or steel industry.

>>212338153
>As opposed to russia who is actively murdering ukrainians from conquered territories
i don't know what russia is doing, nor i condone Russia, it would've been better if the jewish midget ukrainians have for emperor was never elected and never started this war to begin with.
everyone knows ukraine institutions are staffed and controlled by american intelligence nowadays.
what will happen with uklraine which is now half owned by the same oligarchy that facilitates the ethnic replacement of europeans once they need to inflate their economy and rebuild fast? they will import a trillion poojeets to do it.
was it worth it? time will say. the only hope ukraine has is that their Azov neonazis take the government and figure somehting out

>>212338213
So now the narrative is Odessa burnings was FSB false flag ahahaha

Tune me in on the next pigger narratives pls, I'm not up to date with the constant stream of lying and cover up for old lies

>>212338165
>some hohols said mean words!
So by that logic it would be fair and square for the UK or France to nuke Moscow and incinerate millions of rusniggers because pundits on their state TV regularly make nuclear threats against half of Europe?

>>212338128
Most people do not really pay attention to Ukraine, it is literally just the government using it as a propaganda but it does not seem to work
On the other hand Ukraine is not a very popular country here and there is no party where the majority would support EU ascension. I think it is the same in Czechia

>>212338079
i have bad news for you, average age of pro russian is 45 years old, 2014 antimaidan was their biggest achivement, you can look demographics on photos

since then, their activity is very limited, but demographic of people who go at 9th may, Pushkin monument protests and all arrested people who work as FSB informants who got arrested is roughly ~ 40-50 year old.

>>212338000
oooiiiinkk oink OINKREEEE

>>212338292
?

>russian niggas be like: Why dont ukrainians want to be friends with us
>russian niggas:
>>212338322

>>212338299
That's what I said. In Poland most parties also don't support Ukraine in the EU, at least not openly because they know it's rather an unpopular move. They usually say something like
>don't think about it now, Ukraine will need like 20+ years to even start thinking about joining the EU, it's not a topic for today
but it's kinda clear they really don't want it to ever happen

>>212338376
>don't think about it now, Ukraine will need like 20+ years to even start thinking about joining the EU, it's not a topic for today
Yeah kind of the same here and I mean it is probably true

>>212338328
Fuck I meant to reply to this faggot>>212338180
>>212338180
So again nigger, would NATO be justified in genociding the Russian nation because they make threats against us? That's how it works according to your argument, no? One bomb on every +1m city for every nuclear threat by Solovyov or on perviy kanal

>>212337511
Putin is a shabatgoy and also work for jewish interest.

>>212337546
>one of the most normal leaders

Based retard

>>212338261
>we are the low-end countries ourselves
You are not, Poland is literally world's 20'th largest economy.
>I cannot see what Poland or Hungary could gain from Ukraine in the EU, other than getting just a big and strong competitor for western investments, western funds, western tourists + obviously huge damage in sectors where Ukraine has large comparative advantages like agriculture or steel industry.
I get where you are coming from, but framing us purely as a threat is just disingenuous and ignores all the benefits.

US joining the EU means regional stability, stronger trade, and a more secure border. We already shiled you from the eastern menace, so why not make it official? Economically, yes, we have some advantages, but collaboration often outweighs competition. Just look at how Poland itself benefited from EU - single market, more investments, and more regional prestige.

Also, consider all the shared infrastructure projects, energy cooperation, and labor mobility. Western funds aren’t a zero-sum game - but a bigger budget. Besides, people are are so afraid of coming here, and if they do, they would still pass though your countries. Moreover, Ukraine in EU - more Ukrainian tourists for you.

tldr:
Apes together strong

>>212337171 (OP)
Only China can save them

>>212338518
i think it's very interesting the one country that openly glorified nazis in europe had to be led by some sort of jewish leader into a meat grinding war against Ziggeria to glorify himself
moreso considered ukrainians are basically just cossacks, a group jews and soviets especially despised for the pogroms and nazi collaboration

to think the jew they have for leader actually care about the autonomy of destiny of the ukrainian people is rather naive

>>212338595

>>212338595
you seem naive, why do you think changing zelensky would change how ukraine reacts to russia? Do you think the endless civilians bombings russians did made ukrainians love them more?

>>212338617
its funny that despite their vpn flags, russians cannot understand that some countries actually have people that have a will of their own. They think every country is like Russia where mindless cattle do whatever Putin asks them to do

>>212338538
>You are not, Poland is literally world's 20'th largest economy.
it doesn't matter (India is 4th after all), what matters is the structure of the economy and in case of Poland we are capital-recipient rather than capital-exporter. We don't create our own innovations, don't have our own specialized firms that would need to outsource their low-end jobs while keeping high-end ones in the home country.

>US joining the EU means regional stability, stronger trade, and a more secure border.

As for the border - that's more of a NATO thing than EU. As for stronger trade - again, it depends on what the economy of each country is based on.

>We already shiled you from the eastern menace, so why not make it official?
Not related to the EU which is an economic organization first and foremost.

>Just look at how Poland itself benefited from EU - single market, more investments, and more regional prestige.

That's because we gained a lot of western investments. But I don't see how Poland can benefit from Ukraine in the EU. We would actually benefit more if there were no countries like Romania in the EU, that "steals" a big part of our investments nowadays because of slightly lower labor costs. I can't imagine what will happen if a big country like Ukraine with 4x lower average wage than here joins the bloc, probably half of western firms located in Poland now will immediately move to Ukraine and it will be collapse of our economy.

> Western funds aren’t a zero-sum game

They aren't for pairs like capital-exporter and capital-importer. But when there are two capital-importers in question then they will inevitably compete with each other.

>Moreover, Ukraine in EU - more Ukrainian tourists for you.

I don't think it really matters, we already get a lot of Ukrainians, who wants to come here can come without any special obstacles.

>>212337171 (OP)
>best case scenario:
A new Poland/Hungary/post-Iron Curtain country. Gives Europe cheap labour and access to industries in exchange for funding for infrastructure, cleanup, education, etc. Probably highly integrated with Baltics as far as defense is concerned. Probably will not regain its lost territory unless Russia completely falls apart at its seams.
>worst case scenario:
War effort falls apart, half of the country is annexed, rest of Ukraine becomes Belarus and is overrun with churkas who do their best to ban the Ukrainian language and national identity. Entire country is stripped for resources and "punished" Soviet-style.

>>212338617
i thin r/Europe is more fitting for the kiddies that can't think beyond sloganery, i invite you to look it up
>>212338630
the escalation, extent and potentially developement of the war and it's fatalities would likely be much lesser.
this war is incredibly unpopular, other than the typical astroturfing you see in /k/ or here no one over age 30 gives a shit, in fact most people would rather see it quickly settled because it's costly, i assume the ukrainian public isn't either very happy about a afghanistan tier endless drone guerilla blowing up their teenagers
there is obviously third party interests in extending the conflict
ukraine land is heavily valuable, next to the black sea, next to the center of Eurasia, very fertile and full of natural resources

it jjust happens to be full of a somewhat resilent strain of slavs with some nationalist conviction
if you want to maim a nation independence you maim its youth, its men, its convictions

>>212338432
Maidan chimpout extended far beyond "saying mean words", my personal theory I think Russia was so apathetic during the 00s there was even a chance of Ukraine very least in EU but also NATO

All you had to do was not to bring the anti Russian dimension
My grandfather was ethnic Ukrainian, his vision was Ukraine acting AS A BRIDGE BETWEEN EAST AND WEST
EITHER YOU MAKE DEALS WITH BOTH SIDES OR KEEP NEUTRALITY
No one sided deals like the shit EU tried to impose by force on Ukraine. No Nato support of Banderite swine with ideology from Lviv

But Western leaders couldn't help putting an anti-Russian dimension into this """Euro-Atlantic integration""" essentially forcing Russia to act against European pompous arrogance

>>212338773
you seem very smug we will see how smug you are when this ends

>>212337255
>This is where i post from
But you're supposed to post from a foxhole.

Found the austrian's posts kek

What is the future of this country?

>>212338617
>Oбвopoвaл ycpaшкy и cьeбaлcя
Eмy хoть "пoдoзpeниe" вынecли, cвинь?

>>212338658
You might be right that Poland is still a "capital-importing" economy, and not yet Germany or US-tier innovation hub. But EU membership has already helped Poland move up the value chain - your tech sector is booming, wages are have risen multifold over the last two decades, and Polish firms are expanding internationally. The idea that investment is some sort of pie with fixed sizes assumes that there is no room for growth or change, which is obviously not the case. Irl, more deeper integration us would attract even MORE foreign capital to the entire region.
As for us supposedly “stealing” investment like Romania supposedly does - this is more about you competitiveness than about others undercutting you. Are you suggesting your long-term plan is to remain attractive by just being slightly cheaper than someone else? That's a road that leads nowhere, anon. Look no further than China, and how it has moved up the chain too. Investing in productivity, education, and innovation is what keeps countries competitive.
The tourists are it's not just about volume or refugees, that are basically economic migrants at this point. As we become more prosperous, the people they won’t just come to work in your country, but more to spend, study, and invest.

Again, just consider what happened to western european countries after 2004 - they won and you can win too.

>>212338795
I mean the fundamental problem is that Russia is a shithole so doing this whole "just do deals with both bro trust me" thing does not work out in reality

>>212337744
godspeed dude, but I would be cautious with the IMF

B paшкe пидopaхy пoкycившyюcя нa apмeйcкoe caжaют, в ycpaшкe их cнимaют c дoлжнocти и oни yкaтывaют oтдыхaть нa Бaли, либo paбoтaть в гoвнe мoчeными в инcтитyтaх пиндocии
Paзницa

>>212338795
Why do ziggers have no self-awareness?

>>212338835
smug in what? this will be either a war with no winners (Ukraine demographics eroded, half of their land it had taken, relations with russia to the gutter for the next 15 years) or extent into the next american major chimpout against china and WW3

the situation is far from pretty
anyway Ukraine was already an oligarchy, it's now occupied by ours instead of russia, in a way i wish ziggeria to win because i want the western regime to fall and let a void to be filled, which russians obviously couldn't because they are incompetent, not because i am fond of the Chabad occupied state known as Russia
we very clearly live under governments controlled by international capitalists and their institutions like the IMF and their lobbying structures, America Jewish oligarchy (if you deny america oligarchy is just a jewish mafia you are delusional at this point) and a coallition of libtards and the browns they import
our life quality, or the dignity that concerns the native population of Europe is not and they have made clear that will never be part of their agenda, they want to accelerate profits and create a unified world market and possibly government eventually
and our nations posessing closed markets, closed societies, political autonomy and resilent ethnic lobbies is detrimental to this

>>212338538
>joining the EU
Nobody is joining the EU before like 2050 chief

>>212339018
>кoppyпциoннo eбeтe

>>212338795
>bro, just let yourself become russified, just like let your language and culture be erased to get scraps from russian oligarchs

>>212338881
what makes you think i am some russian from january 2024 ???

>>212339049
We'll see

>>212339028
I don't think anyone was particularly afraid of Russia after the 90s. Here NATO was promoted with the canceling the obligatory service kek

>>212339044
>anyway Ukraine was already an oligarchy, it's now occupied by ours instead of russia, in a way i wish ziggeria to win because i want the western regime to fall
All you needed to say. You don't give a shit about who's in the right or that some people don't wanna get bombed and occupied by churkas, you just want "le evil west" to get fucked. Guess what, dipshit, we don't wanna get bombed and occupied by churkas like Ukraine is doing because America bombed Afganistan like fifteen times for oil. Not my fault, not my problem, not my fucking wage to pay.

>>212339018
Taм иcтopия c HAБУ щac oчeнь интepecнaя, бyквaльнo нaчaли щeмить oкpyжeниe Зeлeнcкoгo. HAБУ дe-фaктo пoдчиняeтcя Coeдинённым Штaтaм Aмepики.

>>212339001
>your tech sector is booming, wages are have risen multifold over the last two decades, and Polish firms are expanding internationally.
yes but it happens in the same sectors where Ukraine is our potential competitor (IT mostly) because it offers similar quality but for much lower price

> Irl, more deeper integration us would attract even MORE foreign capital to the entire region.

But still we would observe a large part of this capital flowing out of Poland to Ukraine.

That's why countries like Spain or Greece suffered so much after 2004 expansion - a large part of their industry was moved to eastern EU countries or at least they didn't already get new investments because they all were directed at eastern EU.

>Are you suggesting your long-term plan is to remain attractive by just being slightly cheaper than someone else?

Yes, we don't have any other plan, like it or not. We are simply unable to become an innovation hub, we are not going to follow the Chinese or Korean route because it requires too much effort, takes too long time and at the end the result is not certain (many countries that tried to industrialize like that failed, you need specific East Asian work ethics for that it seems).

I mean, life in Poland is already fine as it is. You can make 1.5k eur net doing some basic job like in a supermarket or some factory, or you can make more if you are more ambitious. I don't see a point why we should change our model, it won't benefit me personally, maybe it would work after 3 generations (and maybe more) but why should I sacrifice my life for my great-grandchildren...which I won't even have because I'm an incel? I just care about my own life in the present time and I don't want to leave my comfort zone. So in my interest it is just to keep status quo and not allow any potential competitiors so they could damage Poland's economy.

DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU COULD BE IN A TRENCH BY THE WAY? Russian culture is for the most part (don't want to target interesting people) so retardedly lacking in clever nuance.

Very native, not a draft dodger, because I understand retarded culture (excluding less retarded people, don't worry) and can predict responses.

>>212339014
Thanks anon. The IMF and other backers have been helping a lot of effort in anti-corruption stuff, which is great for us as a society and great for business and investors.

>>212339001
>As we become more prosperous, the people they won’t just come to work in your country, but more to spend, study, and invest.
Nah, you won't because if Ukraine is prosperous then Poland won't be an attractive destination to Ukrainians anymore. Same like you don't see Lithuanians moving to Poland to study or you don't see many Slovak tourists here - why going to Poland if you can already go to Germany or France?

>>212337171 (OP)
Puppet state no matter what.
Won't be let into NATO without it selling it soul.
Won't be let in the EU without it being in NATO.
Economic growth will be fueled by foreign companies looking for tax breaks in the US and EU.
Companies will then bring foreign workers because a lot of the working population has either been consumed in the war or fled and won't return.
It is very plausible that the war will be purposely extended to serve as a testbed for American weapons in future conflicts.
Tldr they are fine with being used as a pawn on a chessboard

>>212339010
European countries and America are becoming shitholes by own volition through mass migration, fag ideology and stagnating economies
Art of the deal is about realpolitik, even if you think your business partner smells bad and has ugly teeth you pretend his shit doesn't stink for the moment to get what you want

Atlanticist and Eurocrat cunts want to act superior while reality is Western world is declining and Russia is rising from its USSR collapse and market liberalization hungover
Most Russians irl are aware of this fact, its snotty EU cunts in Brussels and Joe Biden who act like the West has the geopolitical heavyweight of the 1980s while this is a bygone era

>>212338865

>>212337826
nice seethey

>>212339061
Nafoid and simping for jihadis, classic. You were crying when mujahideen attacked Europe mainland. You are a weak coward

>>212339074
>>212339001

>ПИКPИЛ
Удaчи в нoвoм ceзoнe, бpaтaны. Haдeюcь, вы cдoхнитe, a нe пepeoбyeтecь в oбмaнyтых пaтpиoтoв pyccкoгo миpa нa фильтpaции ФCБ в aэpoпopтe Шepeмeтьeвo.

>>212339113
>You don't give a shit about who's in the right
whatever this means, everyone has their own interests
>you just want "le evil west" to get fucked.
no, i want the current regime established after WW2 by jews and globalists to fall, because "the west" fell with hitler
we don't live in "the west"
we live under some Zog gobvernment where vaginas get to vote, millions of africa sail to not only live but also receive welfare and rights (????) in Europe and our economic system wont even allow reproductive viability, very different.
i want the Zog to fall so Hitler (or the west, for that matter) can rise back

i don't give a shit about bombing sandniggers lmfao
the "west" as you call it does though, because it is reliant on trade with sandniggers to keep their shitty open markets and thus cannot fuck over their diplomatic relations

>>212339178
>while reality is Western world is declining and Russia is rising
Kek dude Russia is literally thirdie tier. Just look at one thing which is extra important from quality of life: housing stock and average living space. Russia has the smallest square meter per avg apartment on the continent. How much time and money do you think it would take to construct housing that would put Russia on par with Western countries? Sorry never happening

>>212339170
wait a minute

>>212339133
Well, if your focus is quality of life NOW and not building some abstract “future,” then yeah, I get your angle, but consider the following. Even if you don’t care about innovation or transformation for its own sake, maintaining the current level of comfort still depend on adaptation. If Poland freezes its model while others evolve, it just risks becoming the "Spain or Greece" in your analogy, not because others enter the EU, but because Poland didn’t move forward while the world changed.

Also, the idea that Poland can only compete on being “slightly cheaper” sells the country short. You already have better infrastructure, all the legal protections, educated workforce, and border with Germany. And this matters a lot for investors, not just how much you pay your workers. Yes, some jobs may shift to Ukraine, but new ones would appear too. You don't have to become Korea overnight, but "freezing time" won’t preserve the status quo, just make it slowly rot.

Never change - always loose, anon.

>>212339224
Youre too retarded to get the picture but its because youre russian
Also chechens can beat up police that stops them from raping women and kidnap people in downtown moscow

>>212339355
>If Poland freezes its model while others evolve, it just risks becoming the "Spain or Greece" in your analogy, not because others enter the EU, but because Poland didn’t move forward while the world changed.
I get that but still I wouldn't mind grinding on the Spain level...

>You already have better infrastructure, all the legal protections, educated workforce, and border with Germany. And this matters a lot for investors, not just how much you pay your workers.
No, as it seems it matters very little and the case of Romania proves that. They have no border with any western country, their infrastructure is famously shit, yet when only they joined the EU suddenly western investments started flowing there like crazy, leaving Hungary, Slovakia or Poland aside.
Nowadays you see more and more rankings where Romania is doing better than Poland or Hungary when it comes to economic opportunities (even though they still have visibly worse infrastrtucture). It's already bad for us so I don't really want "another Romania" in the EU.

>but new ones would appear too
I simply don't see that happening. The example of Spain or Greece doesn't really confirm it.

>>212339163
I get your point, but prosperity doesn’t kill tourism - it shifts its purpose. We might not come to work, but they’ll come for cultural trips, weekend shopping, festivals, or history. Just like Poles still visit Czechia or Slovakia despite higher incomes. Proximity and shared history still matter, even in prosperity. And don't say you don't have anything of value - it's orders of magnitude more interesting that stuff here, especially the architecture.

is the ukrainian flag a chatGPT bot
it kinda reads like a propaganda AI lmao

>>212339313
You are clueless irl, Russia obviously won't stay shithole forever when it has access to a gigaton of ressources and can profit from this alone for decades
Russia is growing but in a slower pace than e.g. Anglo Saxons and needs its own timeframe, this is also accepted and common knowledge in Russia

There is a lot of home grown corruption, embezzlement etc. that grew very strong roots, matter of fact is by sanctioning Russia, Western countries forced Russians to reopen industries, own production etc and its happening now

EU was better off keeping Russia docile trance like state and dependent on EU products than this complete stupidity fuckshittery. Bad game from Eurocrats who underestimate unreleased potential of Russian Federation

>>212339028
pooland balls was a mistake

>212339354
If the only argument you can come up with is "ur russian" which I'm not, things aren't looking good.

>>212339435
Still the prosperity of Ukrainian tourists would be built on the industry and services they "stole" from Poland thanks to cheaper labor. Ofc I don't accuse you of that, simply that's how it would be. It's exactly the same how Spaniards or Greeks feel now when they have to bow down to Polish tourists nowadays and serve them cold drinks even though in the 1990s the only Poles in Spain or Greece were cheap olive pickers they used to beat with a whip to make them work harder. I can imagine how humiliated a Spanish waiter must feel now when he brings a towel to a fat Polish guy in a swimming pool, because he knows this Pole can afford it only because Poland "stole" a large part of industry from Spain.

>>212339492
>Russia obviously won't stay shithole forever when it has access to a gigaton of ressources
It has these resources for millions of years, it had them 500 years ago and it still has them today. Its still a shithole and all its profits get siphoned into the EU and america via oligarchs. Your country has the choice of also sending them to china but you will always be tax collectors for other superpowers. It was why the mongols created you and its your only purpose, to siphon russia's riches and make others rich

>>212339514
theres no need for arguments hivan a bullet will suffice kek

>>212339492
>Russia obviously won't stay shithole forever
It will because countries are shaped fundamentally by values hold by society (aka "culture") which gets towed around by the political elite but Russia clearly as demonstrated countless times do not have what it takes to build a pleasant society and there is no reason to think that anything will change fundamentally. If anything Putin starting this war just proves this. Russia is similar to like North Korea or Cuba where ideology stomps everything

>dependent on EU products
You are going to depend on Chinese products now

>>212337255
What happened to ironing flags - has the material just degraded to the point that you have to leave the creases in now?

>>212339523
You're some seething Ukropig hiding in Romania, opinion discarded

Yes yes Russia with 20x ressources of Ukraine will never amount to anything. While glorious Ukraine with 3x worse economy and way more dysfunctional than Russia before 2014 will be glorious Western nation

Fool me once and allat

>>212339492
>You are clueless irl, Russia obviously won't stay shithole forever when it has access to a gigaton of ressources and can profit from this alone for decades
So why isn't it using its infinite Siberian resources instead of relying on middle eastern oil and trying to get industries in Ukraine?
>Russia is growing but in a slower pace than e.g. Anglo Saxons and needs its own timeframe, this is also accepted and common knowledge in Russia
Sounds like a cope by oligarchs and government

The most hilarious thing is that /rus/ is fully dead while their vpn posters are here coping and seething. Theres only a bbc poster left to bump the thread

>>212339179
What was the story behind this one?

>>212339644
white boys being beaten by churkas in moscow for being too white

Ukraine should host dozens Chinese factories that are focused on exporting to Europe. This is the only realistic way to save their economy and prevent second russian attack

>>212339429
If anything, the takeaway from Romanian situation shouldn't be cockblocking, but rather self-reflection imho.
Again, investors don’t just look at wages, but also reforms, incentives, and infrastructure access. Romania capitalized on that, and so did Poland a bit before that. If things have slowed now, it’s not because others have joined the EU, it’s because Poland reached the limit of that model and needs to reinvent itself a little. And that’s new opportunities for you.
Spain's and Greece's problems had a lot more to do with internal mismanagement, debt, and their labor laws than enlargement. And Portugal is a tech and startup hub now.

>>212339644
iirc some gays wearing septums and other rings got the septum pulled off by some krokodil ass russian because in npuccia they beat the gays o algo

lots of these types of vid ion the tranny/leftist rekt threads on /gif/

>>212339588
>Russia similar to NK and Cuba
Untrue, the primary ideology in Russia atm is apathy. There is no unifying banner like communism any longer

While Ukraine is closer to North Korea if anyone, its basically become a cargo cult simping for everything Western (but they only like Western money deep down hence its parasite behavior)

>>212339770
ukraine is delivering hundreds of dead zigpigs daily though. The same zigpigs would have taken moldova and the baltics if they were left alive.
The only parasite is you, living in the west while trying to destabilize it. Thankfully all your posts are tracked

>>212339770
>Untrue, the primary ideology in Russia atm is apathy.
Do you think that is not the case in NK or Cuba? All third world shithole dictatorships are kept alive by apathy.
But anyway I did not even mean by this. I meant that ideology stumps everything pragmatic that would allow the country to develop.

>>212339792
Shut up Ukropig and speak when spoken to

>>212339816
its speak when you're spoken to hivjeet

>>212337316
yet they're still here hivan, day 1200 of the 3 day special operation

>>212339700
>If anything, the takeaway from Romanian situation shouldn't be cockblocking, but rather self-reflection imho.
What kind of self-reflection, that we first should allow more competition just to then have to work harder to compete with this competitor we brought ourselves?

It's like saying that the answer to problems with finding employment by natives due to huge immigration from third world isn't to block immigration from third world but to "improve yourself" and force yourself to compete with more and more Asians, getting more and more degrees, working 24h/7, more, more, more because there is always an Asian who will work harder than you

no, this is not the answer

>Again, investors don’t just look at wages, but also reforms, incentives, and infrastructure access. Romania capitalized on that, and so did Poland a bit before that.

...and so might Ukraine. So again, why should we like it?

>And that’s new opportunities for you.

I don't need any new opportunities. I want to keep it as it is, blocking other potential competitors for as long as I can, then I want to die and I don't care about this world anymore. Nothing else. I really don't give a fuck that maybe in 50 years Poland would become an innovation hub because it won't benefit me personally. What benefits me personally is a situation like now so I have a light job in some office where we just type bullshit on the keyboard for 1.5-2k eur net, meanwhile Ukrainians or Uzbeks do the "real" job in factories or construction here, so I could have cheap goods + I could have accumulating capital for my retirement. I know it sounds harsh but...that's how life is. Brutal.

Its so fucking funny this thread was made by russian vpns to shit on ukraine and they got totally destroyed. I know every one of you and your shilling is much more low energy now compared to 2022, /rus/ is a ghost town and I intend to get its population down to 0

>>212339802
>All third world shithole dictatorships are kept alive by apathy.
to be fair isn't this the case for third world democracies like south america and even firstie ones like north america and much of europe?
no one anymores trust the political system
everyone understands elections are worthless and our leaders just temporary public faces

if you can rub two braincells you realize we are ruled by capitalists, oligarchs, lobbies, the central intelligence respective to our countries, etc
uniparty is becoming increasingly more real because it is a resilent system, it is easy to kill a dictator and destory the chain of command of a dictatorship. a oligarchy with a democratic public face is, however, much more resilent

>>212339700
>And Portugal is a tech and startup hub now.
yeah, if you came there from India. If you're a native Portuguese guy you will struggle to find any job other than low-paid tourism industry.

>Spain's and Greece's problems had a lot more to do with internal mismanagement, debt, and their labor laws than enlargement

As long as they had all that industry their debt wasn't a problem. It only became such when they lost their investors.

Again, the debt itself is never a problem. The problem is your (in)ability to repay it.

>>212339520
Industry moves to different countries not because of morality, but because of globalization, costs, and politics. You wouldn't say Poland stole industry from Spain, for instance, but it did offer a different deal at a different time. And now Romania is doing the same. That’s how how the world works, I'm afraid. But the“humiliated” Spaniards also gave millions of Poles a better life. And the fact that you can vacating at Spanish pools comes from those shifts. So if we accept that logic, wouldn’t we also have to accept that one day, a Ukrainian family might do the same in Kraków? That’s not humiliation, that's life. The Wheel of Samsara never stops, as they say.

>>212339802
NK and Cuba keep the third worldism ideology running on a state level, this is not the case in Russia
There is rekindled sympathy for them now because Eurocrats and Atlanticist are behaving arrogant, but the main concern in Russia is internal stability of the Federation and the economy and day to day life of Russian commoners
Lots of topic around corruption. Even in the Russian Army a lot of funds were stolen, this was uncovered during the partial mobilization fall2022 and scandals followed, funds were stolen to the extent mobiks got donations from private people for affording equipment

So this is the main concern

>>212339602
My steamer broke, need to get a new one

>>212337171 (OP)
It will probably be rebuilt as a 15 minute city type shit with lots of investment from non frens but "allies".

>>212339679
Eblahrustian, plz

>>212339936
>and even firstie ones like north america and much of europe?
Yes but because life quality is generally high so people move towards the least resistance

>if you can rub two braincells you realize we are ruled by capitalists, oligarchs, lobbies, the central intelligence respective to our countries, etc
Whatever dude have a bit more of an output oriented thinking. It does not matter what cabal do you think controls this or that if it produces more pleasant and richer countries at the end of the day that is what matters

>>212339956
>NK and Cuba keep the third worldism ideology running on a state level,
>>this is not the case in Russia
???? did i just dream brics and the muzzie deepthroating putler does every week?

>>212339948
>That’s how how the world works, I'm afraid.
Yes, it does if we allow it to happen. My point is that we shouldn't allow it. That's why it's in our interest not to allow Ukraine into the EU, so western investors had no legal framework to invest there.

>But the“humiliated” Spaniards also gave millions of Poles a better life.
Yes, our gain, their loss. That's why Spaniards and other Meds often say that 2004 EU enlargement was the worst day in their life. And they're probably right.

>So if we accept that logic, wouldn’t we also have to accept that one day, a Ukrainian family might do the same in Kraków?

No, we don't have to accept it by not agreeing that Ukraine is admitted to the EU, simply. I mean, I obviously have nothing against Ukrainian tourists, but I just don't like the fact that their economic status would increase at the expense of Polish economy.

>The Wheel of Samsara never stops, as they say.

It doesn't have to be like that if we find enough countries in the EU that think like us and will not allow to enlarge the bloc by admitting more low-cost countries.

>>212339956
>NK and Cuba keep the third worldism ideology running on a state level, this is not the case in Russia
It is though in fact right now you are doing this with the words "Eurocrats and Atlanticist" What you are doing right now is literal 3rd worldism the only people talk similarly are all from 3rd world shitholes Lol how do you lack self awareness this much it is completely unreal

>but the main concern in Russia is internal stability
>sends people into a ditch to die
KEK much stability
You can have much stability in some 3rd world African country with no electricity at least people dont go to the front to die for German minimal wage

>>212340012
Putin pays a lot of lip service and is skilled in the geopolitical game, he also said Israel is almost a Russian speaking country so here he is reaching out to Jews

He was trying to Westernize Russia until 2007 and the famous Munich speech, he is more of an opportunist than ideological. On the ideological level I'd say he promotes liberal-conservatism i.e. conservative on social values and liberal on economic policy

>>212340002
>Yes but because life quality is generally high so people move towards the least resistance
not necessarily, i bring my point back, observe south america and even places like south africa, if life quality plunges, no one will do shit, because the system is very resilent and the same people can stay in power while switching public faces and blame every 4 years
>what cabal do you think controls this or that if it produces more pleasant and richer countries at the end of the day that is what matters
it matters, disloyal cabals will rapidly switch hosts after they drain or erode one beyond repair.
needless to mention that, if the population is sufficiently docile, they can get away with increasingly worsened living conditions without reaction
think Canada
then you import 30 M new voters from india and boom, you cant vote your way out of it, there you have your democracy, a bunch of pajeets gerrymandering and voting as blocks toi influence your economy lmao

>>212340001
Since 2008 EU in decline. Only China and the United States are worthy of being their lapdog. However the US will not give you free gibs for that unlike China

>>212339882
>>212339937
The world doesn’t owe any country a permanent advantage. The comfort you have now came from Poland being the disruptor 20 years ago. Your cushy office job (I assume you have one), growing expendable income, and future pension were built on that wave of change others once hated you for. So now, when Ukraine might potentially do to Poland what Poland did to Spain, yeah I see what you mean. But isolating to protect comfort isn’t stability, it's repetition of what empires in decline did in the past. It won't stop the us, Romanians, Vietnamese or damn AI from rising. It just ensures Poland misses the chance to adapt, and define the future.

>>212340062
I think its true that the liberalist Eurocrat-Atlanticist axis behaves arrogant
I am saying this for the good of European population, you can't keep yourself in delusion pretending its 1980 and promote Let them eat cake policy...

Mass migration, fag ideology and similar degeneracy are a product of the same arrogance. I am not a third worldist at all, if you recognize my posting patters I always shill against mass migration into Europe, LGBT garbage and capitalist/jew usury

>>212340015
Freezing the EU in time to preserve a national advantage is not sustainable. For one, the EU is already built on the idea of enlargement and shared development. Blocking that process turns the bloc into a gated community, which goes against the very principles that brought Poland prosperity. If others had used that logic in 2004, Poland wouldn’t even be in the EU.
Second, cutting Ukraine off won’t prevent competition. You'll still face economic pressures from us but without the benefits of coordinated regulation, joint infrastructure, and political alignment that EU exists for.
You’re totally within your right to protect your interests, but the real long-term security doesn’t come from locking the door and closing your blinds, if your house is build of straw. It comes from rebuilding your house to be out of brick. Pardon the analogy, but it's the best I can do.

>>212337171 (OP)
What is the future of Europe?

>>212340477
there is none

>>212337171 (OP)
Repopulation by foreigners

A country that will serve as a fascist springboard or socialist revolution in the old world

There's no inbetween

>>212340422
>is not sustainable
it don't need it to be sustainable for ever, i need just 30 years, i don't plan to live more

> For one, the EU is already built on the idea of enlargement and shared development. Blocking that process turns the bloc into a gated community, which goes against the very principles that brought Poland prosperity. If others had used that logic in 2004, Poland wouldn’t even be in the EU.
once again, our gain, their loss. I use the principles when they benefit me and I deny them when they harm me. I am a hypocrite, I know. But well...hypocrites usually win.

> You'll still face economic pressures from us
They can be more easily prevented since when you're outside the EU we can impose tolls, duties, or simply enact stricter border control

>>212340222
>But isolating to protect comfort isn’t stability, it's repetition of what empires in decline did in the past. It won't stop the us, Romanians, Vietnamese or damn AI from rising. It just ensures Poland misses the chance to adapt, and define the future.

yeah, as long as I won't face it within my lifetime or at least before my retirement, I don't care. As long as I am alive I will do everything to protect the status quo. When I'm dead, Poland can be even surpassed by Uganda, not my problem. And no one can blame me for leaving that dire situation to my children because I don't (and won't) have children, so I did nothing wrong.

>>212337171 (OP)
That entirely depends on how much of it Russia liberates. On liberated territories life will gradually be restored and become good, on ukraine occupied territories, only death cultism, cargo cult and corruption will flourish for obvious reasons while native population will gradually be replaced by churkas and colombian mercenaries.

>>212340852
>>212340914
Even if you're not planning to leave behind anything, you're still living inside a shared system. One, where the prosperity you enjoy exists only because others before you chose not to block, close off, or hoard. You’re now in their position. And betting everything on a temporary freeze assumes you’ll still be comfortable while the rest of the system adjusts without you. You sure you want that?

>>212341446
Ukrainian nationalists don't understand the concept of sharing. You're more like Israel
>that is MINE
>gimme dat
>I wuz a good boi n dindu nuffin. Send moar moni
I think we all saw greedy Ukrojew behavior with the grain deal, you niggers immediately flooded Polish, Slovak and Hungarian markets, you were about to fuck over their farmers heavily

Greed and jealousy is the national character of modern Nu-kraine, good luck with this

>>212341446
>You sure you want that?
yes, I just hope that it's manageable to keep the status quo for 30 years and then everything can collapse, I don't care, I won't be alive to witness it or I will be spending my retirement in some tropical island

>>212341634
This is unfortunately true, some farmers protested on the border and Ukrainians online immediately put us in the same bag with Russia and North Korea as enemies of the state. Nevermind that they also blocked Chinese train cargo on our border 1 month before the war started. Sovok mentality still holding strong

>>212338103
get defenestrated you walking excrement

>>212341716
The world is accelerating, not slowing. You may not get your 30 years of comfort. So if you really want to protect your present comfort, blocking us or anyone else won’t be enough. You’ll have to use your Plan B anyway.

>>212341721
Why do you have to make up things up on the internet, anon?

>>212341797
>You may not get your 30 years of comfort.
maybe, but still i prefer to have some more comfort for as long as i can than just deliberately get rid of it now to make room for Ukraine in the EU

all i want is a great big iron curtain between russia and the eu and we would never ever have to interact with each other ever again.. that would be so cash money

>>212337171 (OP)
Something like this i imagine

>>212341960
Same, you'll have to vacate Russian land tho

>>212341842
You’re choosing to protect an illusion of control. Blocking us might delay the discomfort a bit, but it won’t stop the bigger forces, like automation, population aging, shifting investor tastes, or the EU’s internal changes.

>>212342002
as soon as you vacate turkish land

>>212342046
I've never been in turkey

>>212337171 (OP)
Post the correct map

>>212341840
The grain border blockade shitshow was all over the internet so I assume you meant this part
https://intermodalnews.eu/2022/01/20/trucks-vs-trains-what-is-behind-rail-freight-tensions-between-poland-and-ukraine/
https://www.railfreight.com/railfreight/2022/01/20/more-restrictions-in-ukraine-poland-transit-whats-behind-them/?gdpr=accept
https://notesfrompoland.com/2022/01/19/poland-accuses-ukraine-of-blocking-rail-shipments-in-unprecedented-move/

>>212342066
your flag says otherwise

>>212337182
>>212337219
>>212337371
>Khazaria
sorry, schizo bros, but it never happened

>>212337171 (OP)
same shit as it ever was
pigmaxxing and getting drunk

>>212342002
>>212342046
oh and also albanian land, but our latvian boys are there making sure serbs dont get to chimp out already so its not a problem :)

>>212342046
>>212342169
This argument doesn't really work because you're talking to a rootless, cowardly draftdodger who doesn't give a fuck about Serbia and will quickly bounce to another country the second anything happens or his residence permit expires, just like he left Armenia

>>212342092
You know perfectly well what I meant.

>>212342019
>but it won’t stop the bigger forces, like automation, population aging, shifting investor tastes, or the EU’s internal changes.
yeah, i just need 30 years and i believe i can buy them with my staunch objection and cockblocking attitude

>>212342357
Sorry to shutter your illusions, but the world doesn't revolve around you

polish vpnigga about to detonate, stand clear

>>212342019
дaвaй-кa бyдeм чecтными, кaкaя мнe личнo пoльзa oт Укpaины в Eвpocoюзe? Я нe пpoтив Укpaины caмoй пo ceбe нo эти apгyмeнты кoтopыe ты иcпoльзyeшь, oни мнe кaжyтcя дoвoльнo чeppипикингoвaными, вce этo нa выcoкoм ypoвнe oбщнocти, мoжeт тaк быть a мoжeт и нe быть.

>>212342586
Even if I know ruzzian, why would I speak it?

>>212342586
>чeppипикингoвaными
You might want to adjust the translator on this one a bit, no one uses that word even ironically.

>>212337171 (OP)
Waves and waves of BBC and globohomo propaganda

>212342586
I didn't inquire for a katsapistani opinion on the matter

Looks like 4chan allows different opinions to exist.