Poland, are you ok?

>noooo be a rentoid to help our money

>>212338667 (OP)
Poland, pay your jews!

>>212338667 (OP)
new whiteness map just dropped

>>212338667 (OP)
oh hey, that's me!

>>212338730
>flag

>>212338667 (OP)
we just love our parents, what's wrong about it? why wouldn't you want to live with your mommy and to always have your pants washed?

i moved to live alone at 17

>>212338757
how do polish women view men living witht their parents.

it's not really due to poverty, it's just about culture
we even have a special multigenerational house type with 3-4 floors and the (grand)parents live on the first floor while their children (with their families) occupy each of the floors. Sometimes each floor even has a separate staircase and entrance. These houses can be easily 400sqm+ so each family lives on 100sqm+ and they also share a garden, garage and so on, hard to call it poverty, given the fact that westerners would live in 40sqm shoeboxes but "at least they live alone"

>>212338831
its funny that you call them westerners. you are a westerner.

>>212338667 (OP)
I live with my grandma :)

>>212338771
Same. Had no choice since my new school was three hours away.

>>212338843
Poland is neither fully Western nor Eastern.

>>212338777
depends, those westernized ones will probably despise it as see living in a cuckbox as a sign of success
those normal ones, especially from rural areas, will actually enjoy that if it is a big house, because truth is having parents in the same house (if each family has enough space for itself) makes life easier, especially if you have children - then you can always ask your mother-in-law to take care of them if you want to do something else like going for shopping
"it takes a whole house to raise a child"

>>212338843
only from the perspective of an asian

>>212338831
here's an example of such multigenerational houses from my hometown, actually these ones are rather average in size but it's not unusual to see even bigger ones, especially in southern Poland (where they have a higher birth rate and bigger families)

>>212338667 (OP)
I think the data is overstated because we don't have to change our home adress on documents when moving out and nobody does this since it's a hassle. I haven't lived with my parents for 10 years but as far as census data is concerned I still do.

rent is too high

>>212339003
same in Italy actually.

>>212338934
That's how they do it in brazilian favelas, each generation builds another floor.

>>212338777
Not like she has room to talk when she also lives with her parents.

>>212338770
Basically a housing affordability map.

>>212338934
What happens when you bring a chick to your house tho dont they judge your ass? Both the chick and your grandparents

>>212339064
here all the floors are built at once + the house gets proper finishing and all necessary amenities inside, it has nothing in common with a favela house
>>212339109
not at all, because it doesn't take cultural factors into account
>>212339116
>What happens when you bring a chick to your house tho dont they judge your ass?
Why would your parents "judge your ass" for bringing a girl home to fuck? More like your father would be extremely proud of you while your mum would probably leave a condom on the bed for you

>>212338667 (OP)
My parents own another house in the city which I could move to but I need to get a j*b first

>>212339003
That's true as well. My 60 year old mom still lives with her mom on paper.

>>212339003
I'm pretty sure this map isn't based on meldunek data but simply on surveys and asking people in the street

>>212338667 (OP)
>tfw still living with parents at 33
Rent is too fucking expensive in this city, I doubt I'll be leaving this place until after my parents die

>>212338667 (OP)
there is nothing wrong with that

>>212338934
>>212338831
so
>cuckbox, bad
>cuckbox stacked on top of other family members, good?
we had such houses as well, all converted to single family homes now. i grew up in one, 600sqm, my parents now live alone in it.
you guys seem to think one absolutely has to live in the same house to have contact with family, the moment one moves all family relations end. well thats just dumb and its nothing like reality here

>>212339343
you won't inherit their place?

>>212339592
the point is that these are not cuckboxes because these houses are very big, as I said it's not uncommon that one floor is like 100-120 sqm big so that's the space you have to the personal use of your own family
meanwhile commieblock flats are usually much smaller

>ou guys seem to think one absolutely has to live in the same house to have contact with family, the moment one moves all family relations end. well thats just dumb and its nothing like reality here

Not "all relations" must end abruptly but they certainly become looser and looser and you cannot already ask for little help from your parents when you live 20 km from them vs when you live in the same house.

Many young people here explain why they don't have children exactly with lack of family ties so they could ask someone for help when it's necessary. It's very convenient when you have your mum/dad just next to you you can ask for help and you can also offer help to if needed.

It's just culture, you don't have to like it but simply that's how it is here.

>>212338667 (OP)
Not ok

>>212339609
My parents don't own property, they rent a flat. I probably won't be able to afford it when they pass away (it's 3 bedrooms, so quite large).

>>212338770
>2019

>>212338831
I wish I can do that too but it's bad viewed. Have to live in a shitbox paying a wage in rent

>>212339717
100sqm for a family of 5 is small af. i dont know anyone who raised a family in a commieblock flat, i know immigrants does but thats their problem.
dude 20km is nothing, i live 30min away and either drop by my parents every day or they come here. its also just far enough that if i can i sleep there for the night/weekend. same with them. my childhood room is still just as i left it at 18 and i made a dedicated guest room for my parents and an additional one for my brother and his daughter at my place.
brother btw just bought a house right across the road from our parents.
>why not all live in the family house
if my great grandparents who buildt carried on this tradition it we would be god knows how many 100 cousins and second cousins living there now, people gotta move out eventually.
i never liked the view and location, so i bought a place with a view in a location i like.
nothing cause more drama and hate than family living together, a minimum amount of distance is needed.
property is the best investment ever.

>>212340032
>100sqm for a family of 5 is small af.
Well, most families here usually have 1-2 children, not 3+

>>212338770
Is it true that in Sweden, 20 year old can already get a mortgage on their first house?

>>212340152
no
but in Finland if you save 10% of the price of the house and its not super expensive, you get state backed loan

>>212340152
If you have a stable job and 15% of the sum for down-payment, then yes.

>>212338730
What's the rate in Israel?

>>212338667 (OP)
sovl map
there's no point leaving your parents house until you're married

>>212340152
probably, depending on job and location.
my previous job, just a tradie in the city, every single new apprentice (starts at 17/18 ish) took up a loan and bought their own place by 22. if it was rural they could have done so in cash the first year.

>>212338667 (OP)
This explains soulless NPC nordic culture and lack of community

>>212340152
I got my mortgage at 21 so yeah.
Normal construction job.

>>212340303
no lack of community here

>>212340328
Don't bother. These retards are so deep in their /pol/ delusions that there's no chance of changing their minds.

my family owns several aparments, why would I rent one? I'll buy my own in a year or two just so I'm not leeching but there's no reason to not technically live with them

>>212339325
Eurostat doesn't do street surveys, they get data from national census

>>212338667 (OP)
No
But I think I see a correlation

>>212340032
I grew up in 65sqm commieblock apartment just fine, my parents had the living room with fold out couch bed, my 2 sisters had medium room and I had my own small room. Our dog had her bed in the hallway but she'd rather sleep in dad's bed

where the fuck am I supposed to live in this economy lmao

>>212340444
living in the house your father owns together with all your siblings, the one grandparent still alive and that drunk uncle who fiddled you as a kid doesnt make you a house owner but these stats make it look so.

>>212340487
>that post
>just fine
would be nice to hear your parents side of the story? are you willing to do the same sacrifice your parents did to make it work? wouldnt you do everything you possibly could to atleast get your own bedroom?

>>212340487
Same except it was 140sqm and I had 3 siblings and a cat (rip).
I also never plan to move out even if I made 3k euros it's just not worth paying rent and doing solo chores when I'm perfectly comfortable where I live.

>>212340601
What sacrafice you talking about?

>>212338667 (OP)
>Brexit removed us from the live with parents map :(
Most 25 year olds I know still live with their parents, mostly in an attempt to obtain savings. Around 27 is when people say fuck it and either start mortgagemaxxing or accept they will rent for life.

>>212340601
this is why whites don't have kids, everything needs to be perfect.

>>212340032
you're arguing over cultural differences which makes no sense. you cannot convince us, an eastern European catholic - collectivist nation that your western protestant mentality is objectively better. We simply like living with parents (in most cases), they don't judge us for that either, actually it's usually our mums who insist that we should stay with them and you can have a bigger drama from your parents when you want to leave them because they might see it as like you don't love them or you're not grateful to them.

My point is simply that it's not about poverty and unaffordable housing prices here but it's motivated culturally.

>>212340526
anything is better than being a rentoid
t. former rentoid

>>212341016
So true, I'm a 35 year old man and I have to go every weekend for dinner at my parebt's place

>>212340865
>parents had the living room with fold out couch bed
dont tell me they didnt hate every night when they had to unpack the bed and hated every morning they had to pack it together again even harder?
>>212340851
>parents die and lets imagine you have kids
you now have to do all their chores and pay their rent for the rest of your life.

its getting clear to me that many posters here, particulary poorer ones, cannot think into the future or outside their current comfort zone. they expect everything to last as it it and since its good for them its good for everyone. no, your mother wont feed you and wash your clothes for all eternity and she probably hates doing it for your lazy ass.

>>212341113
It was unpacked all the time unless they had guests coming over

>>212341169
grim

>>212341113
We own the house nigger and I help with the chores, also the bills, and the supermarket. My mom is grateful if anything.

>>212341113
>your mother wont feed you and wash your clothes for all eternity
nothing lasts forever but it's pretty stupid to deliberately leave the comfort zone much earlier than you actually have to do that due to objective reasons (death of your parents). You just need to take advantage of your parents willing to help you for as long as possible and well, about what will happen later, you will think later.

I don't understand what's the point of inflicting suffering and hardships on yourself before you actually have to do it, but that's probably because I'm not protestant.

>>212341113
>and she probably hates doing it for your lazy ass.
again, mentality/culture difference
catholic eastern European mums (probably Med mums as well) LOVE serving their beloved sons
my mum unironically never allowed me to do the dishes or even turn the washing machine on because "I would always do it wrong, I should leave women's chores to her, she will handle it better".

>>212341277
btw, this mentality is also why there are so many incels in our zoomer generation, simply they expect their potential gfs/wives to be like their mothers and just serve them like slaves, while our zoomer girls are already fully westernized and will never settle for a guy with such expectations

>>212341316
I've heard that Sweden is actually incel capital of the world

>>212341397
Swedecels?
Our response?

no
poopland is a shithole with anti human property and job markets

>>212338831
Cope

>>212341770
Nah, it's just true.
Why would I leave my mum if she wants me to stay with her and she does a large chunk of work for me? What's the benefit of living alone? That I could take a shit in the middle of my room and not clean it for a week? Wow such freedom!

>>212341514
Well, you can byy wifes/slaves from elsewhere. Like your ancestors did with celts

>>212341917
do Kazakhs prefer to live alone in their yurta or you prefer to stay in your parent's yurta?

>>212341939
We don't live in yurtas, most people leave houses when they get married and buy house. It happens approximately at age of 25, but if include people from shitholes that get education then the number is probably go down to 23 or something

>>212342055
>We don't live in yurtas,
Кaзaкcтaн пpoпaл

>>212342152
You are russian, why would you care to ask if there are gazillion russians who make videos from Kazakhstan

>>212341397
>>212341514

>>212342231
вce pyccкиe в кз живyт в гopoдaх, oни пo ceлaм нe кaтaютcя, oткyдa им знaть пpo нacтoящyю жизнь кopeнных кaзaхoв?

>>212339592
its just usual poorfag cope

>>212342369
i can afford to buy my own apartment but i prefer to live in my parents' house and invest my money into something else that pays me interests

Living with your parents is pretty based. Might move back. Housing prices are too crazy

>>212339592
>>212340032
>>212340601
>>212341113
>>212341186
why are you seething

>>212341073
This is just plain stupid

>>212342428
He is a Jewish lardlord

>>212342475
landlord* kek

>>212342249
That wasnt at all what the study concluded. It found that swedes were overrepresented on websites that are monitored for terror activity. We're overrepresented on every english speaking website that there is. Including Facebook, instagram, reddit etc etc. Are we also the normie densest country in the world?

>>212342428
see >>212342369

>>212342429
you just can't imagine what the renting market looks like here
we don't have these long-term stable rent contracts with the city/state like you do in the west, here "renting" means that you will sign a max 1 year contract with some fat boomer owner who will visit you every week to check if you
>don't own a dog
>don't own a cat
>don't bring any friends/gf
>don't consume too much electricity
>don't waste too much water
not to mention that most apartments have furniture from the 1970s and you cannot change anything because it's not yours
and at the end you get kicked out of the apartment before the expiration date because the boomer suddenly needs this apartment for to meet his lover secretly or because his granddaughter wants to move out of her parents

>>212342544
This data is likely fake, or caused by ultra whores

>>212338889
>those normal ones, especially from rural areas, will actually enjoy that if it is a big house
This is weirder than expecting a guy to have his own place in his 20s
Here they just think staying with your parents is normal because they understand that it's hard to find something affordable while you're still in university or you're still in a phase of your work career when the pay isn't that good and you want to save money. I assume it's like that in Poland too. But actually wanting parents around is weird

>>212338667 (OP)
>imagine being kicked out by your family because they don't love you

>>212341016
>We simply like living with parents
No you dont you are just too broky and/or stingy to move out, cope more

>>212342924
>This data is
*These data are

Data is the plural of datum.

>>212343154
both are correct actually. either way I don't care

>>212342924
>This data is likely fake
What are you basing that on?
>or caused by ultra whores
It's the average number for men albeit

>>212343261
>damn half of group have 0 partners and other half 50. On average it's 25