They're arrogant enough to think they're sufficiently smart to weave their way through the space of ideas and find the truth, But in reality they succumb to the complexity while insisting on finding solutions, and as a result end up dysfunctional.

Online world was the calling of ones own individualism, and it failed. Normies shouldn't sway away from their defined role, That's a nightmare scenario for every society, That's the zoomer era.

The sun is god

>>212395412 (OP)
judaism isnt directional

>>212395412 (OP)
why do you guys have to weave yourselves into everything? classical anglican thinking comes from protestantism which famously did not come from a jew. now if we're going down the rabbit hole, as the famous saying goes, most of philosophy is a footnote to plato, and I'd add aristotle to this famous quote even though he likely did not write his entire work.

ultimately and fundamentally it comes down to subscribing to rationalism/idealism or empiricism/utilitarism.

you guys are weird, you cut your own peeners and do all sorts of weird shit because tradition says so but at the same you're very utilitarian compared to other religions/peoples.

in any case jewish thinking is minimal to the development of modern europe. spinoza was famously excomunicated, jesus/paul were also banished by the traditional jewish religious elite and I could go on.

sure, the jews were and still are very intellectual and literate, and yet for the life of me I can't think of a single contribution to the western corpus of knowledge that is through and through jewish. christianity comes to mind, and even that is an entire can of worms. even modern zionism is not an entirely jewish phenomenon, there were and still are plenty christians/westerners
who want to cause the armagedon by making the jews fight the war against magog or something.

>>212395412 (OP)
I already have, one day I realized I like the world 75% exactly how it is. My only wish for society would be that it would go back to how it was from the 1950s-2000s. I’m not a Luddite like Ted-Kazinsky, I don’t want to live under medieval feudalism or the Hindu caste system.

Something like neo-Chinese Tang monarchism would be cool, too, though. I like everyone bowing to each other and the way they dressed. I wouldn’t say I’m entirely closed minded to something different but for the most part, the world used to be just about perfect only a few decades ago.

>>212396779
the 1950s were a unique time in which the rest of the world was bombed to shit or underdeveloped. short of a nuclear holocaust, I don't see how we're ever going there again.

I have no doubt that there are or will be crazy elites and military officials who will pull us into such a situation given enough time, but I wouldn't say that it's worth it, that it's ethical, or that it's kosher even. all that just to "get back to the 50s". unfortunately it shall happen

>>212396821
Some people say China is pretty much in the same place America was in the 1950s because they make all our stuff * are technologically innovate. The conditions are still the same from the 50s, only the industrial countries changed. Only a few countries make most of the stuff for the world, with the other hundreds of countries not even being close to self-sufficiency

>>212396883
that's an interesting parallel. I don't think you can actually control the paradigm all that much, and it appears that all countries have their time to shine throught history.

though chine being the biggest producer and exporter in the world is more of a long-lasting historical trend, rather than a modern oddity that was spurred by the american foreign policy in asia pacific.

all in all I guess we'll keep buying from chine for a while, I don't see america, europe, india or africa competing with them anything soon. the american and europeans want to work in high value-added fields and the indians and africans are still too dumb to challenge chinese industry and technology in any meaningful capacity

>Jewish/Classical Anglo directionality
Yes, "evil rapist responsible for human suffering" directionality.

We'd be better off if the UK and Israel were nuked.

>>212396934
well america is fast approaching the status of the "new england", as in the world spanning empire that meddles everywhere and leaves a mess behind. ukraine and the balkans are recent examples, I could go on, but I'm not an anti american on principle.

from what I managed to research on this subject, it's more of a case of putting batshit crazy retards(clinton, bush jr, biden, trump to name a few) at the helm of the most powerful political construction in the modern world.

>>212395412 (OP)
you cant just whip up a structured teleology out of no where.
ufortantly most of these peopel have found a sense of meaning in 'un-meaning'. by existing without purpose they find the greatest purpose is to nullify and erase all.
The dysfunctionality is the function, the inherent goal of self destructive narcissism is emboldened by every partial failure. every decay is a proof of great heights and every 'near miss' is only closer to the loving embrace of the martyrdom they seek.
Necessity, pain, suffering cannot teach a lesson to these individuals for like holy monks they would gladly take on any mutilation or starvation to see thier body destroyed and feel vindicated in thier hatred of the world.
Ironically the most likley antedote to such an individual is warm, personal and compassionate but not abstract, and not some cause across the ocean, it is a relationship that is tangible and humid and intoxicating and induces great weeping.
but unfortunately such a induced sensation is all but cured via the folk medicine of modern encapsulation. the machine logic as jumped from the ledger to the printer and into the soul pushing out whatever air wisdom breathed in and replacing it with dusty smoke.

>>212396759
>in any case jewish thinking is minimal to the development of modern europe

I don't agree that Judaism or the biblical stories (Jewish stories about Jews) aren't massively influential on Europe but Europe itself is irrelevant and hasn't been at the centre of progress and culture for a century.

>christianity comes to mind

A Jewish sect with entire doctrine developed by Jews for Jews (Until Paul decided otherwise).

The world was much better under American (Judeo-Anglo Protestant) rule for nearly 80 years, And people are throwing it away because they've lost themselves in the information age instead of following simple, proven, rules of thumbs that worked for the generations before them.

>>212397000
I don't think normies were ever that big on martyrdom and messianism, nor should they be. that is reserved for the truly well endowed schizos within a certain population.

btw I'm still waiting for the israeli to explain to me how philosophy and science is a uniquely anglo-judaic phenomenon, as if that means anything. there was science and philosophy being done in greece, in rome, in catholic italy, in protestant netherlands, in confucian china, in the islamic world, even in the mayan civilzation. I could go on, but the conclusion is that someone likes to smell their own farts a little too much

>>212397025
oh so that's what you mean. yeah christianity was in its origin a jewish phenomenon but over time it was reinterpreted and reformed so much by the political powers of their time that it morphed more into an apology of the powers that wanted to tax their serfs. think the greco-roman empire(s), then the catholic church, then the feudal lords, ultimately the kings and emperors of the modern age.

not to mention that a lot of "christian" traditions are in fact roman traditions. I won't write an exhaustive list because it's common knowledge that the christian calendar is litered with pagan festivities and that crhistianity has a lot of pagan symbolism, but a big one is the culture of patriarchal monogamy and subservience to authority, which were very important aspects of roman society.

then I will argue that jesus preached a gnostic amalgam of religions, a post religion, not a judaic one. he used judaic language because that's what he and his peers were familiar with, but it was a great leap forward and reformation, similar to what islam was in its time and inception.

then I will also argue that judaism in its inception was not monotheistic, nor was it focused on escathology, those were taken from the zoroastrians, and they were widely held beliefs all throught the persian empire at the time. later came the greek influence from plato and plotinus about the idea of a perfect god as the generator of the world of forms, or rather the prime mover of aristotle. yahweh was not a perfect god in the old testament.

there are plenty of philosophical and historical sources on what I tried to abreviate, and it makes sense given how syncretic religion was at that time (one can think of how fast the romans made christianity their own).

which is why I reiterate my point. jews were indeed an important building block, but to say that judaic thought was a uniquely important and influential piece of western knowledge and civilization is a stretch, you'd have to ignore a lot

>>212397025
The problem is that the same elite which created that society had no problem discarding it after the Cold War ended in favor of globalism, multiculturalism, and DEI.

The right question would be why they didn’t double-down on the post-WW2 Jewish-Freemasonic alliance of ethnic Jews, Western Europeans, Euro-Americans/White Americans, and Japanese/Koreans/Taiwanese. Once you answer that, we can correct the mistake of the 1990s.

>>212397062
>I'm still waiting for the israeli to explain to me how philosophy and science is a uniquely anglo-judaic phenomenon
I wouldn't blame them too much that line of thinking was basically institutionally cemented in Europe via ecclesiastical theosophical interpretations of pagan works which necessitated that all pre-Christian thought could be reframed as inspired by moses or other Hebrew figures. It would be epistemologically problematic if there was any trace of a doubt allowed to hint at the hasmoneans liberal use of 'pagan' sources and the best and truest way to ensure such line of reasoning is never taken seriously is to first claim the opposite is the case and then slowly never bring it up ever again with handwaving of 'early christian eccentricity' when you get bizarre texts like claiming Achilles is the anticipation of Jesus or moses taught Orpheus. and if the epistemology is compromised then well how can teleology stand on it?

>>212397392
well theology, in my humble opinion, does not really stand at all. it's mostly philosophy with extra steps and with its hand tied behind its back, so to say.
all in all it's a personal thing and it should remain that, the excentric worldview of one theologian or the other.

moreover, europe's "unified" (as in the politically correct) theology, science and phiolosophy was at different times influenced by pre-christian religious and secular thought. the various sun cults, the various horsemen cults, zoroastrianism, which I mentioned in my other post, egyptian, hindu, greek thought, then later islamic philosophy and science greatly influence the european corpus.

nietzsche references the character of zoroaster, modern psychology used lower greek deities to describes states of mind and spirit, astronomers use the olympian pantheon to name planets (though the astrological tradition is far older than that). if we reall follow the thread the end up at the cults of mesopotamia, isthar, the bull of heaven and all that jazz, in a time where agriculture was the new hot shit. we can go even further back but I think I made my point.

the cult of ishtar manifests itself even today in the modern "monotheistic" religions in ways in which I don't even want to say, as a god fearing christian; that would be blasphemy.

>>212396759
This sounds like a lot of cope bro

>>212397622
it sounds like a lot of cope if you don't know history.
so yeah, the timeline goes like this:

>god makes adam and eve
>god makes israel, it's preferate and most noble of nations
>jews invent everything in the world
>a bunch of stuff happens
>then god tells the english and the jews to go colonize 'merica so that one day they can drive pickup trucks with 12 litre engines and shoot at children with automatic rifles.

>>212397531
I juggle with the materialist vs idealist debate on what actually influences culture and what actually contributes to function of society and i think its a chicken and egg kind of argument, but I find it somewhat hard to believe at least conceptually that such doctrines which are de facto non existent among the elite and academics and only later dug up and revived by figures in the 19th century would have aby lasting staying power in the collective psyche of a population. but i say that as someone with little life experience and when ever i read testimony of another culture they always say how truly different they are and think. but also i thin kits somewhat of a mute point whose ascendency we claim something comes from ,i dont particularly care if something is greek or jewish or occidental or oriental I would prefer it be true or effective but I dont think i know an epistemological litmus test beyond utilitarianism or insanity which both are deeply flawed.

>>212395412 (OP)
>goycattle should just stay in their lane
you aren't supposed to say that part outloud

>>212397890
in practice most people, communities and societes operate on the idealist-utilitarian spectrum, where they base their thought in originally, is indeed debateable.

in short though, I'd say most normies are utilitarian, but there are some who are idealists, and most crazies, the popular term these days is neuro-divergent, are more idealist. whether they are geared differently to see themselves differently in relation to the social hierarchy in terms of hormones and brain patters, or wether they're taught that way by their family does not matter, there will always be this distinction between individuals.

imo one of the problems of the modern era is subverting idealism and making it about utilitarian things, such as status and money, commodifying and selling them to retards. I know I sound like a commie but I am not, communism, under dialectical materialism did this as well where it achieved political power. the grand ideologies of the 20th century(we're left with only one now, the winner), push everyone into the utilitarian lane. you have to be a good consumer and taxpayer until you die, everything else does not matter because ultimately nothing matters.

I could concede that the epistemological origin of the current paradigm should not be that important so long as it works/is good/it achieves a positive outcome, op's main idea was that it was indeed judeo-anglican (whatever that means) and that we should return to that asap (as if we have anything to return to ???) newton and his crazy cronies (later the masons, then the zionists) were not reflective of the different populations that lived all over the western hemisphere.

>>212398208
continued.

china is an interesting experiment in which they're blending state repression, dialectical communism with their brand of asian phiolosophy and morality. I can't say that it's for me, but as an experiment, it's interesting to see where it takes them. they might just become the new moving force in science and technology now that america is primarily intersted in petty goals, such as syphoning wealth from it's population base via financialisation and bombing the middle east in order to fullfil a dubious ancient prophecy

>>212397909
basically this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV7YgnPUxcU

here is your based judeo-christian-anglican, bro.

for what it's worth, the ancient judeans would stone this guy to death if they manage to somehow quiz him on his religion and philosophy