Thread 212438583

>>212438583 (OP)
Greece

Japan

>>212438583 (OP)
the uk, although all of their history's are entangles so its kinda a bad question they were all important

not the UK

>>212438658
That's not true.

It's

Greece
Rome
Judea (Christianity)
France

In that order. UK doesn't even have the same legal system as continental Europe and the continental one was created by Rome and France

>>212438658
I get they are important to you but how have they shaped the continent? ever since they fucked off from EU they have become incredibly irrelevant so this makes me think people in the past also really didn’t care about them.

>>212438583 (OP)
France obviously
Of course we could have easily outpaced them if we wanted to, but we have always wanted to have as little to do with the continent as possible

>>212438706
amusing how how you typed this out in our language lol

France and it's not even close.
They set the fashion trends, gastronomy for others to follow, and civic virtues for ethical government and society.

>>212438735
not THAT amusing

>>212438583 (OP)
France. Charlemagne. Medieval politics. The revolution. Napoleon

I’d argue Britain affected the wider world more, especially through America, but influence over European history and culture goes to the French

>>212438738
That's not entirely true, things like constitution were pioneered by italian states and Poland. France was the driving force in legal matters and civic society.

>>212438706
>>212438693
industrial revolution, lead to America which has massive influence

>>212438817
unlike Australians, Europeans can resist not sucking american dick for 5 minutes.

>>212438817
America is not Europe

>>212438850
it influences Europe

>>212438870
You mean Europe influenced america to exist, speak a european language (dutch was 2nd and very close to be chosen btw) and strive to show their european roots with every breath they take

>>212438583 (OP)
Britain pretty much shaped modern Europe

you might be in denial about it but without us Europe wouldn’t be Europe...

>>212438909
do you ever get bored of living with an inferority complex like this

>>212438583 (OP)
France, by far.

>>212438909
mate idk what we're talking about Greece for anyway this was between France, Britain and Germany read op, that's what i was replying to. I agree Greece is probably more important sure whatever.

>>212439218
tell me what French ideas/action were more important then America and the industrial revolution, I really cant think of anything

>>212438583 (OP)
The industrial revolution was a big deal, so the UK

>>212439218
>idk what we're talking about Greece
Holy fuck educate yourself

>>212439354
mother fucker i know Greece was important read my fucking post

>>212439264
the French Revolution, Napoleon and the Restoration were pretty damn important for continental Europe.

>>212439411
they lost, lol

>>212438583 (OP)
for modern mainland europe, definitely france

>>212439411
I agree mate, I do. But the industrial revolution lead to the urbanisation of Europe, It was a massive step forward imo on the same level as the creation of the wheel or fire.

like i said in my very first post British and French history is entangled, no recollection of the uk would be complete without the mention of France and vise virsa

>>212438583 (OP)
3rd Reich coz they hated jews

>>212439388
Ok ok chill kiwi-kun

>>212439628
sorry fren, i just really love the British empire so much its unreal

>>212439664
based

>>212439411
Napoeon lost m8, from 1815-1914 continental Europe including France was in the British sphere of influence, you were our bitches are largely did whatever we told you

>>212439489
if we want to discuss European history as a whole you literally cannot pick a “winner”, by that same logic you described. the pope was in Italy and had huge influence, like the banks and the center of trade with the Orient. Germans invented print and protestantism, which also, huge influence. the Dutch revolutionized global trade. the Iberians controlled huge areas of the new world and were responsible for literally shifting the center of the world elsewhere. France and the UK did their part, absolutely, but none were the sole masters of Europe’s destiny because they came up with one particular thing (what is the industrial revolution really? Northern Italy had industrial-like silk production processes before Britain). and this is if you want to discuss European history without biases.
if you don’t want to do that, you can pick any which thing you like the most and claim it’s *literally* the invention of the wheel therefore my team won lol.

france is what every modern state is modeled after, so...

>>212439703
“British sphere of influence” referred to continental europe is wild

>>212439797
It's a fact, just like how Europe has been under the USA's sphere of influence since 1945, btw Britain was the biggest sponsor and support of the unification of Italy

>>212439952
tell me more about how nobody ever talked about unifying Italy before the brits showed up, this should be interesting.

France, everyone copied us after the revolution. Yes they're still monarchies around but they're useless and few of them are also from french origin.

>>212440056
I'm just telling you the facts, you're being butthurt and denying them because you prefer to downplay British influence, we were the primary power in Europe during the 19th century

>>212439748
yeah ig i agree. Its a stupid question, whatever. gn fellas

>>212440110
not downplaying anything, but saying that all of continental Europe was under the sole control of Britain during the whole 19th century is just a wild statement only concoctable by a brit.
I’ve asked you to explain what decisive role Britain played in the history of my country and you called me butthurt, I guess that’s ok.

>>212439797
it didn't happen, and if it did happen they deserved it.

>>212440222
gn m8

France.

>>212440296
absolute cope image

>>212440308
Cope against what?

>>212440228
I didn't say "sole control" I said "in the British sphere of influence" which is true
>I’ve asked you to explain what decisive role Britain played in the history of my country
We helped create it lol, Britiain was the primary foreign sponsor of Garibaldi, he used our money

This thread is very -how do I say it- JVPITERIAN...

>>212438583 (OP)
Id say france because we're a mix of celt/latin and germanic influence. We're euro mutts.

>>212440308
Dieu et mon droit
Cependant

>>212440441
>>212440472
sir you are speaking english

Fixed the map

>>212440497
bro.. lol

>>212438583 (OP)
Neuschwanstein is so fucking boring. I wanna see real castles and buildings that had utility and express might and not something that has been built by a powerless romanticist at the end of the fucking 19th century.

>>212441644
LEGO are a very boring company

>>212438735
american language, deal with it

Neither English nor Germans did much to define it compared to French and Italians. More fair to compare them with Spaniards

>>212440296
Retarded map

>>212440524
> Eritrea was created by the Uk in 1952
Wtf is this shit

>>212441817
you guys hate being associated with the USA even more so that doesn't work, just accept you speak our language and get over it

>>212439703
Napoleon lost but the ideals carried by the revolution didn't

>>212441855
You are ridiculous—like a Greek merchant in the first century traveling to Britannia to say, “See, you worship our gods.” British influence has been dead and buried since 1945, and the proof of this is that internet slang and every one of its neologisms are entirely of American origin.

>>212440331
the kandom of the two wakandas collapsed because it was invaded from the nord by the piedmontese.
if anything, it was france that created italy, helping us to defeat the austrians and allowing the piedmontese to take the papal states

>>212441940
>>212441966
>You are ridiculous
You've been seething at me for hours for posting facts and have resorted to the "Umm actually we're an American vassal" as a gotcha, you're pathetic and you stupid continentals always resort to humilating yourself this way

This is what happens when you get too wrapped up in hating England: you end up making yourself look an idiot when it would have been easier to just admit: yeah Britain is actually important in European history and identity

>>212442222
You went from being the greatest naval power controlling a quarter of the Earth to an American airfield where 50% of births are to British mothers—and a navy with more admirals than ships. You're just projecting.

>>212442362
You're mad because you lost the argument and trying to save face, let it go and take your humilation with some grace

>>212442402
that's just wrong

Alpha Draconis

>>212441940
>>212442362
Being beaten down by mass immigration is irrelevant to the fact that you are speaking ENGLISH, the language of the anglos, a product entirely of our cultural climate.
Even if it happens to be the brain-damaged variety spoken by our retarded progeny, you are conceiving of the world and framing this discussion on our own terms, not yours.

>>212444361
As I said, I'm speaking American

>>212440497
Yeah m8 you won sure but that wasnt the question of op.
Both france and UK will be white minorities tjis century so it's not like any of this matter anyway.

>>212441644
>. I wanna see real castles and buildings that had utility and express might and not something that has been built by a powerless romanticist
say no more

>>212438780
>Charlemagne
Was German tho

>>212444427
It has been a pleasure to be ethnically replaced alongside you, Pierre

>>212438583 (OP)
We started the industrial revolution and created the modern world.

>>212444575
the fish is ours tho

>>212438693
The Dutch, Italians, and English are more influential than all of those combined

>>212438583 (OP)
France, because of >>212439781. Napoleon even had a lot of influence in our process of independence. France reshaped Europe.

>>212444575
Cheers m8

>>212444561
A frank, so german/french/belge if you will

>>212438909
imagine if americans were all speaking dutch lol
that would be ein zerious probleem

>>212441855
but it's objectively true that most people here are fluent in english because of amerilards

>>212438583 (OP)
Rome (Italy)
Greece
Germany
England

>>212445505
we don't really care, either way it's a cultural victory for us

If you go to a good uni in EU and study law that there, be it Kraków, Copenhagen, Lisbon or Paris they teach at "european law" classes that Europe has three pillars on which it was built: Greece, Rome and the Catholic Church.
That's the general consensus among professors for decades.

>>212438583 (OP)
France. Britain never aspired to be a Continental power, whereas that is where France excelled.

Germany is not on the same level as the other two historically.

>>212438583 (OP)
Overall:
France > Britain > Germany

Post Industrial Revolution:
Britain > France > Germany

>>212446275
>Germany is not on the same level as the other two historically
Frogs and Anglos joined together to fight Germany several times because they were scared of Germany's power

>>212438583 (OP)
Russia

>>212446473
Indeed. And they always succeeded in keeping Germany down. Whereas Britain and France had their time as genuine global powers.

>>212446666
Except we're talking about who was more important to Europe specifically, not who ruled over the most brown people

>>212438604
Two thousand five hundred years ago some drunkard sheep herders thought a lot and then one of their kings conquered the near east.
Dude, you have no idea how influential

>>212448196
why is the eternal hun so ignorant and smelly? get washed bro

>>212438706
>ever since they fucked off from EU they have become incredibly irrelevant so this makes me think people in the past also really didn’t care about them.

retard. since leaving the EU Britain has been the main defender of Europe. Britain was the most important nation in europe before leaving the eu and Britain is the most important nation in Europe after leaving the eu. Britain is the only nation in Europe (apart from russia) relevant enough and powerful enough to be a sovereign nation

The eu is an inherently irrelevant entity and you're defining what's relevant by what's related to the eu. What a joke. Youre speaking the British language on the British invented world wide web about Britain.

accidentally posted.
- you have no idea how influential and innovative Europe was in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. Unparalleled even in scale to population, wealth and production in human history. Most of those innovations are probably German, then French and English, then Italian. Look at the Maths, physics, chemistry etc. foundational to our world today. Yes, they were improved in the United States, but the genealogical origin point of these developments are German, English or French.
It's a different story for the arts where England and France outperform Germany, but in hard sciences the contribution German scientists have made is ridiculous. Not saying that other European countries didn't make any contributions, but you could probably draw a circle like this (pic rel) and define the area in which the vast majority of innovations took place.

>>212448338
holy coperoni, just accept oblivion already

>>212440328
Britain, and the kingdom of England, existed before the Norman invasion, and the normams were the normans, not the French. The Norman conquest resulted in England owning France, not France owning England.

>>212448381
>england
>arts
Lel no

>>212441940
>the proof of this is that internet slang and every one of its neologisms are entirely of American origin.
Nope. And the Internet was irrelevant until we invented the world wide web

>>212448395
>holy coperoni
So you've lost the argument and said a retard meme because you literally can't contradict me because im right and you're wrong

>>212448468
they were killing it with theatre and literature

>>212448468
>>england
>>arts
Literature and theatre and music and TV and cinema. Most american media is dependent on British talent

>>212438583 (OP)
france

>>212438583 (OP)
France defines Europe. Britain defines the world.

>>212448196
They influenced rome and rome influenced us all though. Both me, my wife and our two children have names of greek origin btw.

>>212448546
>>212448557
>literature and theater
Yeah they had Shakespeare and a couple other good poets but that's it
>music
Working class retards trying to act like black Americans
>tv
All tv is slop
>cinema
90% slop

>>212448839
And your wife's boyfriend?

>>212439748
did you know in sweden we have something called fika?

>>212448522
I just can’t recall the last time the UK acted as a sovereign nation and not as a US or EU proxy, I ain’t going to engage in with the rest of your ragingly delusional post 2bh

>>212438583 (OP)
Greece —> Rome —> France —> UK

>>212449010
supposedly we have it in Italy as well but l’ve never seen it.

>>212449045
it was in 2016 and you've been seething about it ever since

>>212448925
Arabian name like your fathers faggot

>>212449108
sure I have, I do nothing but seething at how utterly irrelevant the UK is.

>>212449101
corpselaugh

>>212449156
bro you've literally been seething in this thread all day, I left for three hours, came back and you're still here having a melty

>>212448522
Bodied that freak

>>212449180
>b-but I am a normgroid and ure not
embarrassing cope

>>212449283
>he's so mad he didn't go have lunch like a normal person
kek, spastic

>>212449394
I eat frogposting normgroid tears for lunch

>>212447228
France is more important in Europe. As is Italy and Greece. And probably Britain and Russia.

Germany has a great history as the birthplace of Protestantism, a scientific centre, as an industrial powerhouse but it has never been politically dominant in Europe. Their central location is a blessing for trade and commerce, but a curse for power.

>>212448468
Imagine actually claiming that the English aren't artistic.

>>212438583 (OP)
France and it's not even close

>>212451381
/int/ suffers from doublethink when it comes to England, apparently we're totally irrelevant but also all an all powerful evil empire that ruined the world

>>212451381
Name 5 great English painters
Name 5 great English composers

>>212444476
This was literally built this century