Thread 212455332

Do zoomers in your country still bluepilled with the parental/media narrative of higher education and high paying white collar desk jobs instead of learning trade and skills or being a farmer/ranch owner? In here they are still like this and they can't find a job lol. It is going worse but they still believe same old boomer story. They are coping with "if Erdogan goes I will find a comfy high paying desk job because CHP/Ozdag will fix the economy" and don't know any shit about what's going on the world. Man, we will live in Deus-Ex cyberpunk dystopic universe in 2050s and do you really still believe your parent's old stories? This shit out of fashion now. Learn something useful or die.

>>212455332 (OP)
Most young people in this country are too addicted to pot to hold a security clearance so I've never had trouble finding work.

You know nothing about being a farmer or learning a trade dumb idiot

>>212455332 (OP)
i cant find a job that isnt warehouse work or waiting tables while at uni
no paid internships either
this country hates young people

>>212455402
Being a security guard isn't a career

Just learn a trade where you can
>have no health insurance
>work 12 hours a day with no breaks
>destroy your body and live in constant excruciating pain after 50
>develop a painkiller/alcohol addiction due to said pain
>constantly get undercut in wages in a never ending race to the bottom
>get exploited by your employer to work overtime for not additional pay (if any)
Everyone I know who parrots this “just learn a trade” bulldhit was either too poor to attend college or dropped out and is now trying to convince themselves that they actually love their shitty life. I guess it better than suicide. I went back to school and got a real degree and it was the best decision of my life.

>>212456581
I work IT at Lockheed but I'm glad you consider weed (which totally isn't addictive) more important than a well paying job.

>>212456660
Any place that still does drug tests for weed in 2025 is a joke lol.

>>212456660
I don't use weed. And your certifications and qualifications are likely more important to Lockheed than your weed use

>>212456587
what you're saying has been true up until right about now. degree jobs were always superior, and will keep being superior, but the problem is that there simply are too many people who want degree jobs and not enough degree job openings, a number that will now start falling off a cliff as more and more office work can be trivially automated thanks to LLMs

>>212456660
I make $200k in tech and don't have to cuck out on weed. I once had a recruiter try to get me to take a weed test and I said no and he said he'd bump it up by $20k for the inconvenience. Told him to fuck off kek.

>>212456587
Tradies are ridiculously stupid. They also love the straw man of the liberal arts major and conveniently never talk about STEM.

Why become a brick layer when you can become a civil engineer and tell the grunts how to build the road? They avoid this question like the fucking plague.

>>212456738
The LLMs suck ass at it.

>>212456587
>>have no health insurance
>>work 12 hours a day with no breaks
kek do americans really

>>212456848
LLMs can be good at automatic document ingestion. I'm actually gonna start a consulting thing based on the problem domain

>>212455332 (OP)
I thought that all you had to do in Turkey to get a job was to affirm that there is no god but Allah in classical Arabic?

>>212456738
>as more and more office work can be trivially automated thanks to LLMs
Opinion discarded

>>212456841
It's only people who were too dumb to go to university that try to shill trades or people who were too stupid to get their foot in the door anywhere after graduating from university so they act like society tricked them from getting good money. Most people who work in trades will tell their kids to go to university instead of doing shitty labour work

>>212456738
>AI is coming to steal your job saar
This is like telling a tradey that they’ll be replaced by robots. It’s not happening anytime soon, there are too many intricate details and moving parts in both hands on trade work and pencil pushing office work.
Pretty much every company I know of is trying to integrate AI into their workflow right now, and they’re all discovering the exact same thing. It takes just as much, if not more time to use AI to bring a task to 80% completion and then pay a human to finish it and fix all the mistakes than it does to just have a human do everything. The future isn’t AI totally replacing human jobs, it’s humans using AI to increase the speed at which they can produce work.

>>212455332 (OP)
I did a bachelor's degree almost immediately out of highschool, and now I'm almost done and have a contract for a 5.5k/month office job on my desk

>>212456730
Are you retarded?

>>212457241
how old are you

>>212457370
22

>>212456587
In Goymoney you are not entitled to minimum wage if you're an apprentice . So learning a trade is doing 3 years of nearly unpaid labor, to hopefully one day get slightly more than minimum wage.

>>212457403
im going to kill myself

>>212457413
The 5.5k is gross, after der ewige boomer takes his cut it's only 3k, if that makes it better for you

>>212457479
Still a pretty nice salary to have right out of university. Nice work anon

>>212457586
Thanks ^^

>>212457241
Sweet

>>212455985
Dare to explain more? I know they are physically hard jobs but you will earn good amount of money and live less stressfull life than office workers. Dealing with other people is shit.
>>212457241
>5.5
Say your net monthly wage after taxes. And you easily found job because you are an immigrant female.
>>212457413
That's easy for her anon. Females can find job easily, especially immigrant females like her. But there won't be 20 years later.

>>212458149
>And you easily found job because you are an immigrant female.
No?

>>212456841
>>212457078
>STEM
Have fun when you racing with Indians, Chinese and Pinoys who will do same job with you for lower wages

>>212456587
>have no health insurance
>work 12 hours a day with no breaks
>get exploited by your employer to work overtime for not additional pay (if any)
Lmao. In Turkey they have standards like kings. Their wage is EU tier or more, have best health insurance etc.
Employers do whatever they want because there is a shortage of tradesmen. Same applies to other countries too because all people after 90s started graduating from universities so nobody wants to do that type jobs. Whike you can see STEM graduates everywhere looking for jobs with just a little bit more than minimum wage. LOL.
>>212457240
AIs will replace it in 10-15 years. Bu tradies will be around at least to mid 2050s.

The final trvkepill is that in order to earn good money in trades and not kill yourself is that you still need to study your trade.

>>212455332 (OP)
>Do zoomers in your country still bluepilled with the parental/media narrative of higher education and high paying white collar desk jobs instead of learning trade and skills or being a farmer/ranch owner?
That's more of a millennial line of thought in my country (I was one of them, I got my BA in 2013 and thought I'd making £40k straight out of university in a do-nothing job).
Zoomers in bongland all want to be streamers/cryptobros.

>>212456841
Why do either when you could be the heavy equipment operator or the safety inspector?

>>212455332 (OP)
Just meet people. Ask them if they know someone is hiring. Do this until you get 2 jobs

>>212461786
>>212461786
More money, more prestige, more growth opportunities.

>>212461931
Safety inspectors earn as much as some engineers and here it's a 2 year degree
Prestige is irrelevant when the only thing that matters is nepotism
While engies have more growth opportunity, you must enjoy whatever you are into, studying a STEM major if you are forced to is hell

>>212461931
>>212461931
>More money
İmmigrants already lowering the wages
>Opportunities
You can't find a job. Now everywhere is filled with STEM graduates, but how many tradesmen? It will only going worse by years.

>>212462029
>Safety inspectors earn as much as some engineers and here it's a 2 year degree
Not here. They require a bachelor's or equivalent work experience. These aren't kids you pull off the street but experienced builders that usually get post secondary education later in their careers.

>Prestige is irrelevant when the only thing that matters is nepotism
You can't beat nepotism but you can beat the other 99% of dumbasses that work in trades. Not every non-shit job is nepotism. If anything, safety inspectors are more nepotistic as they're usually close with city council.

>While engies have more growth opportunity, you must enjoy whatever you are into, studying a STEM major if you are forced to is hell
I get this one. If you fucking hate math, then don't do it. Most of it is formulaic and doesn't require novel thought but it helps when shit goes sideways and you have to reason why a design or implementation didn't work.

>>212462128
We have h1b pajeets, not so many h1b civil engineers.

>>212455332 (OP)
It's funny because trades have even higher unemployment rates than desk jobs. Personally as an IT wagecuck I hope more zoomers abandon the field so it becomes less crowded and less hyped up to college students

>>212462478
>It's funny because trades have even higher unemployment rates than desk jobs.
Source? There id huge shortage in here and EU.

Why do chuds glorify rural living so much? There are no women and no people under the age of 50 in general in these areas.

>>212462710
>anime
opinion discarded

>>212463619
Why do chuds glorify rural living so much? There are no women and no people under the age of 50 in general in these areas.

>>212456660
You can share secrets with the russians or chinese or whoever and make more money!

>>212462710
Lower chance of seeing a black i suppose

>>212457479
I'm 23 and I make 1.5k usd

>>212456783
>weed is more important to me than $20k but I'm not addicted or anything

>>212455332 (OP)
That went in one ear and out the othe. Complete jibberish. Like imagine the words going into my eyes directly into a shredder

>>212465700
Ifa company is willing to pay $20k so you don't do weed and most likely booze to that isn't even guaranteed, it's probably managed by control freaks who want you available 24/7

>>212456587
none of the trade people I know have this problem.

>>212462584
it's true in america because all those jobs are taken by illegals.

>>212455332 (OP)
Honrstly i'd rather work a blue collar job 10-20 hours a week if it gave a good living than my fake bullshit white collar job 40+ hours a week. This is the direction society should've moved in too, if the world functioned fine at 60-70% of the workforce being blue collar that's proof these service and desk jobs are bullshit and were just created to avoid lowering the work week.

>>212455332 (OP)
The purpose of education is education. Money is a piece of paper with a stupid picture on it. Knowledge is priceless.
Altho lets be fair, schools these days are kinda bullshit. Doesnt train people for reality. I think just stick to the classics; there were some absolute banger engineering papers written in the 50s

>>212455332 (OP)
It's funny how you can either know a person who works 50 hours a day destroying his body and a guy who 'works' 2 hours a month on his computer working from home and travelling al laround the world. No inbetween.

>Be Japanese
>Once chance at getting into a good university
>Parents send me to some irrelevant one a in a shithole Westoid country
>Forever teaching retarded Engrish like "This is a pen" to 12 year olds

>>212465733
I don't care zoomer, have fun when you starving 20 years later.

>>212457284
Are you ?

>>212465838
>a blue collar job
>10-20 hours a week
I too live in a fantasy land

I went to university and now I work as a kitchen hand making minimum wage with nowhere near enough hours, sometimes I even get sent home early because there's not enough customers to justify me being there
I don't blame the push for education at all, I am responsible for my own position in life and I think blaming it all on the focus on education is a mistake
The one area that really bothers me is the neoliberal dogma of 'retraining' and 'reskilling'

>>212462410
>We have h1b pajeets, not so many h1b civil engineers
That's cuz you need a PE loicense to work as a CivE in America. The funny thing is that a lot of Mexican and Canadians CivEs could easily get it due to USMC provisions making it easy for Mexican and Canadian CivEs to apply their degree + years of work experience in their home country as part of the pre-reqs for a PE license, even though surprisingly few people take advantage of it.

>>212465962
Did you at least get a good degree, or did you get a meme degree in something like History/English/Communications?

>>212468135
>USMC
*USMCA

>>212467946
I feel you, brother. What was your subject?
>'retraining' and 'reskilling'
Capitalism needs an army of unemployed by definition, there's no such thing as too many hands. Even if the unemployment rate is 10%, you can be sure the liberals and businessmen still would advocate for reskilling and mass importations of "skilled" workers to increase the competition for jobs, inflate the assets value and maintain the downward pressure on wages. A liberal not defending existence of unemployment is like a bee protesting against honey. Germany is especially hilarious in this sense because they classify everybody as a skilled worker here: nurses, bus drivers, forklifter operators, that helps to justify importation of foreigners. And I am speaking as a foreigner in Germany.