Happiness, fulfilment, and your rank in the social hierarchy in European society is far more dependent upon your looks & height than on money, professional success, & living standard.

I know that this concept is difficult to understand for most struggling middle and lower middle-class men from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, because for you the issue of survival and living standard is so overarching that your happiness and fulfilment is excessively dependent upon money. Despite all the macro level progress your respective counties may have made, the situation for the common person isn’t too good - there is so much economic scarcity and uncertainty, so much inflation, turmoil, corruption, cut throat competition, crime, lack of safety, lawlessness, nepotism, pollution, adulteration, congestion, over-population, power and water shortages here that getting out of here is the sane thing to do. I just want you to understand what lies ahead.

>inceloid westerner taking solace in the low SMV of some nonwhite
reminder that most incels allow their sexual deprivation to define their worldview. dickposting, interracial sex and race obsession occupy the same neural pathways in their brains

>>212458374
SAAAAAAAR

>>212458138 (OP)
One thing you'll soon realize soon after settling in a European country is that as a man, your looks, height and genetics are everything here. On top of that, the standards for male beauty are insanely high and Eurocentric. And strangely, for some reason none of it applies to immigrant South Asian women. In European society, not only men face immensely greater pressure than women to be conventionally good-looking but being good-looking also requires meeting an extremely narrow Eurocentric ideal of male beauty.
You can be a PhD here, achieve great success in your profession, move up the corporate ladder, start your own business, become a millionaire, own a nice house, have a high standard of living even by European standards, but if you're not good-looking and tall, literally nobody gives a shit outside of a strictly professional context. The moment you step into a social situation you will be towered over and dwarfed by penniless, broke, barely educated tall good-looking men who stack shelves, clean toilets or wait tables. You will always be a nobody...a second-class citizen in clubs, events, parties, festivals, concerts, raves, and all the touristy places. You will feel out of place and won't be able to socialize properly and naturally. You will be completely unwanted by women in the dating market.

>>212458463
How much you're able to fit into European society and blend into their culture, your place in social hierarchy, and your value to women in the dating world almost entirely depends on your looks, height, and genetics. Its as if European society strips you down to your bare bones and genetics and you feel naked and exposed. Your financial status, achievements, education, living standard don't insulate you at all.
It was eye opening for me to see countless highly successful Broinwn IT guys with no social and dating life, being single, celibate, lonely and completely invisible to women even after being settled here for 7 years or more and knowing the local language well. Meanwhile some uneducated, illegal asylum seeker from North Africa or Central Asia with no job, who barely spoke English let alone the local language just lands here and starts dating a new woman every week like it was nothing because he's good looking, tall and well built.
It demoralizes you because once you have a full stomach and a roof on your head, the sole motivation to further excel in career and make money is to move up the social hierarchy. To have more respect, admiration, and recognition in society which ultimately also translates into more appeal to the opposite sex. But if uneducated, unemployed, broke men enjoy an immensely better social and dating life than you because they are good-looking, then what's the point of hard work?

>>212458506
As an average looking medium height South Asian guy who has come to a European country for study or work, you'll have a very isolated, lonely, and depressing life here. You will see girls and good-looking guys around you having so much fun. Their lives will be so colorful, exciting, adventurous, full of new experiences. You'll see them explore the world of dating, sex, hookups, flings, relationships, and love. They'll use dating apps and have unlimited dating options while you won't get a single match in years. You'll see them socialize and be invited into new circles so easily. They'll go to festivals, clubs, parties, raves, be part of activity groups and broadcast their lives on social media.
Meanwhile you're just a spectator to all of this. You have nothing to look forward to than study/work and going back to your room. Your life only revolves around the functional aspects of living here. Its ironic that in a society so liberal, free and with endless possibilities, you feel more confined and suffocated than you were in your home country. As a result, you develop deep insecurities and low self-esteem.

>>212458545
Your social circle is limited to the 2 or 3 mediocre looking Brown/Desi men who are also in the same boat as you. They are also completely unwanted socially, sexually and romantically. They also share the same “ghutti hui aur hasraton wali zindagi”. When you get together, you talk about your frustrations, loneliness but misdiagnose it as "home sickness" and reminisce about “Desh ki mitti ki khushbu, wo shaamein, wo galliyan, wo dhabay pe beth ke chai peena, aur jaisa tha lekin desh apna tha” and other nonsense.
Very few of you are honest enough to admit that its not "home sickness". You just have no life here. It’s too embarrassing to admit it. But deep down you know the truth when you look at each other in the eye.
Some of you will justify your social worthlessness by blaming it on "cultural differences & language barrier" - Meanwhile Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi girls who also came here just like you did do just fine, as do uneducated, undocumented but good looking, tall North African or Central Asian asylum seekers, who barely speak English. You don't dare to ask why the cultural differences & language barriers don't affect them.
Some of you will use a different coping mechanism and suddenly become religious, spiritual or ultra conservative so that its easy to reject European society because of its "degeneracy" to protect your bruised egos. You will then confine yourself to a small group of like-minded Desi men.

>>212458582
To make your low self-esteem and feelings of inadequacy worse you'll realize that none of the limitations you face apply to South Asian girls. Its human nature to compare and you'll want to know how your female South Asian peers are doing here. You would've thought that maybe the insanely high Eurocentric beauty standards, cultural barriers and biases would put both at a disadvantage. That maybe you'll have a common struggle allowing you to connect with each other. But you couldn't be more wrong. It will come as a shock to you that despite being from the same country, culture, and sharing the same skin color you have literally nothing in common with them upon reaching here and they are living in completely different world. Women are still women and will be welcomed in European society no matter where they're from and what they look like.
Within weeks of landing here, any Brown girl can start dating extremely good-looking, angular-faced, extremely tall, wide framed, warrior-built, blond, blue eyed European men regardless of their own looks. You will be dumbfounded at how women's looks almost cease to matter as if it’s a glitch in European society. Women can be facially unappealing, short as midgets, borderline obese and still have unlimited options to date attractive men that literally look better than most Hollywood leading men. You'll see that girls who'd have been perfectly compatible matches with you in your home country are dating European men who literally tower above you in looks, height, and physique.
As a result, after coming here, girls’ confidence goes up, while your confidence goes down.

>>212458639
As far as your dating options are concerned: forget European women, not even Desi women will spit on you here. On interacting with Brown girls here you'll feel that they have a very high handed and subtly condescending attitude towards you because they know how advantaged they are over you. They develop a general disdain for South Asian men whilst being awestruck by the beauty, heights, physiques and charm of superior European men who they now consider their "equals".


In the end, you accept defeat. You are around 30, you're lonely, sexually frustrated, emotionally starved and accept that getting an arranged marriage in your home country and bringing your wife over to Europe is your only option.
It’s not a proud decision. You can dress it up however you want but deep down, you know what it is: In a society that offers so much liberty and endless possibilities it is an embarrassing admission of failure. Its an admission that even after all your achievements abroad, you're handicapped in such a basic and natural aspect of life. Your whole social circle here knows this and secretly laughs at you.
The brutal irony is that the wife you bring over wouldn't even have crapped upon you had she come here for study or work on her own and you approached her with dating and relationship intent. So many Brown women who come to Europe via marriage start having second thoughts and a 'change of heart' after seeing how much freedom this society offers and how easy it is for any woman to date extremely good-looking European men they could only dream of back home. They begin to silently resent their mediocre looking Brown husbands. Literally every 3rd or 4th Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi guy who brought his wife this way is going through a divorce or the wife is cheating and waiting for her moment to leave after standing on her own feet. Even arranged marriage isn't without serious dilemmas for you.

>>212458672
And let’s say your marriage is “successful.” She doesn’t cheat. She stays loyal, happy and fulfilled. What about your children? What kind of future are you giving them? I'm not worried about daughters because they'll have amazing lives here, but what about your future sons? They will inherit your genes; your average looks and medium height by South Asian standards. Do you really want to raise boys in a society where they'll fail to meet the Eurocentric standards of height and looks and forever be second-class citizens? Do you really want them to miss out on all the life experiences and live the same life of quiet desperation and social invisibility as you did? How will the vicious cycle end?

Are Timmies really this afraid of Indian chads?

>>212458788
No one is intimidated by Indian men and I am saying this as an Indian.

>>212458138 (OP)
I’m of Indian descent living in the west and I’ve never really had a problem attracting women desu. I’m 6’0 and for a long time was the only brown face in the places I’ve lived. Women saw it as a novelty and until recently it was kind of cool.

>>212458138 (OP)
what's your take on Koreans in Canada

>>212458902
Lies. Every single brown man struggles.

>>212458990
Black men are the only non-whites who do well. Every other race takes a severe blow to their value. Asians are miles ahead of all browns, including Middle Easterners.

As it should be.
A relationship without any physical attraction is doomed to fail anyway.

>>212458885
as a white man i am scared of indians

>>212459000
With what?
You just have to put yourself out there. I haven’t read all of your posts but you seem like you have terrible self esteem issues and you’re not willing to leave your comfort zone. Just go out there and say hello to people. Listen to what they have to say. Be interested and be interesting. Fun to be around. People aren’t as bigoted/shallow as you have in your head

>>212458708
>i am not worried about daughters
>but think of the sons!
lmao is this because you know 4chan is majority male and you focus on the male experience?

>>212459100
Hello, fellow white, totally not brown man. It's great being white and definitely not brown huh?

>>212459121
This is the most insane schizophrenic shit I have ever read. They really are that bigoted and shallow. If only you knew. Indians are at the absolute bottom of the hierarchy in the West. A syrian gang rapist rapefugee is above us.

>>212459163
Ethnic women, regardless of background, have it easy. I have sisters and cousins here, all of them love their lives. Only men suffer.

>>212459163
Having a vagina automatically makes you high value.

>>212459262
OK, you do you
All I know is that my parents didn’t want us living in an Indian enclave, moved to the whitest area they could find and forced us to integrate and engage with the dominant (then still white) culture.

I don’t understand migrants who leave behind their shithole countries, only to try and recreate the same shitholes and hang around with the same people from that shithole in the west.

You are your own person. Don’t let your background define you, you forge your own path in life

>>212459595
They live in ethnic enclaves because white people will never accept them and white women will never date them. Read my posts about what it's like as a brown guy in a white nation. It's like how prisoners segregate along race to protect themselves.

>>212458138 (OP)
What's your thought bout this

>>212459720
That’s just retarded. I’ve traveled the world, including India, and the Anglosphere, closely followed by Western Europe, are by far the most accepting and welcoming societies. India was one of the least accepting. Everyone hates each other there.

>>212459779
No white girlfriend and no white friends. He would be an incel lucky to lose his virginity in the west.

>>212459856
They accept women of all races and tall black men. No one likes or accepts brown men, especially European women.

>>212458374
he's right

>>212459939
My experiences must outweigh your prejudices then. Women just want guys who are fun and interesting to be around, kind, gentle, good listeners, not creepy, good hygiene and taller than them. That’s it really. Even having a job is optional these days. Look to yourself and see what you’re doing wrong before blaming women

>>212459779
BRITSH SHOCKED

>>212460068
You're acting like I don't have experiences and don't know close to a hundred brown men.
>Women just want guys who are fun and interesting to be around, kind, gentle, good listeners, not creepy, good hygiene, and taller than them
Holy blue pill. They want tall white white chads.
Pic related shows dating exclusion by race. 96% excludes Indians, and 95% excludes Middle Easterners. Race is more important for your dating success than income and height.

>>212460068
A survey asking which race they find unattractive. South Asians, by far, were voted the ugliest race.

>>212460242
>>212460279
Well then I must be incredibly lucky to be such a huge outlier in this respect.
Have you considered just getting out there and just you know, meeting real women? Loads will say they want a man over 6’0, but they’ll be perfectly happy to match with a 5’8 if they know him in real life and he’s kind and funny and genuine and intelligent and interesting. Focus on the things you can change, not the things you can’t. Some will still have racial preferences, and that’s fine. I think you’ll find most don’t care as much as you think they do

>>212460423
This is how much income asian men need to have the same relationship value as the average white man. This data is old and not adjusted for inflation it would be much higher now.
Indian men are significantly less desirable than Asian men. You need to earn a million a year as an Indian.

>>212460423
Women don't want to meet or interact with South Asian men. They are disgusted when Desis approach them, and they will literally get up and run away to avoid talking to an Indian man.

>>212458138 (OP)
So, I lived in the US for a bunch of years and then came back here and the difference is definitely palpable.

I'd say here being fit, tall, and polyglot/well-traveled is much more important than your bank account.

In the US on the other hand you don't even have access to specific social circles below a certain income.

Now, you could access based, trad euro circles by getting involved in entrepreneurship and political orgs/meetings.

>>212460490
Forgot pic. Asian men are much higher in the dating hierarchy than Indians. It's simply over if you are Indian. That's not just my opinion but that's what the data says.

>>212460490
Well I don’t earn that and at least some white women find me more desirable than a white man, given that they chose me and not a white man. Stop making excuses for yourself. It’s unattractive.

>>212459000
Not necessarily, there's a 5%-10% that exclusively go for browns.

Over here it happens, most girls won't touch an arab, but there's a small minority that exclusively date them.

Now, the problem is, you know that you're just an interchangeable brownoid to her.

>>212459779
>5'2 anglemaxxxxing

>>212460648
I’ve been out with a Spanish girl
She worked for the Spanish embassy in another country I was travelling through. You’re right. Being fit helps but I’m not that tall, just 6’0 which I guess is enough for most women but short by Dutch and Scandinavian standards, even upper middle class British standards. I am a polyglot.

>>212460242
LMAO ARABS RATED WORSE THAN NIGGERS

>>212460690
>Well, I don’t earn that, and at least some white women find me more desirable than a white man, given that they chose me and not a white man.
No, they don't prefer you over a white man. Some women have low confidence and/or a bad relationship history and use a simp brown man to boost their self-esteem. This is incredibly rare and like winning the lottery. The average modern woman has dozens of bodies, and they are mostly white with some blacks sprinkled in.

>>212460054
I feel so much solidarity with my fellow civilized well-meaning men born in thirdie shitholes. Firsties will never know our struggle everyday. How we don't litter yet we see the street full of trash, how we don't shout or play loud music yet can't have a minute of silence, how we do things correctly yet nothing works as intended.

>>212460852
Obviously. The fact that this surprises you shows that no one should trust anything else you said.

>>212460808
>6’0
stfu, you are tall

>>212460054
Based nationalists getting rid of western infiltrator who tries to erode national culture.

>>212460755
>Not necessarily, there's a 5%-10% that exclusively go for browns.
NO ONE ABSOLUTELY NO ONE IS BROWN ONLY. A few women are BBC only, but those are usually millennials and older. Gen Z girls date both white and black. Browns are hated by all women who have ever lived.

>>212460872
Sounds like excuses to me lad. It’s not the colour of your skin women find repellent, it’s your low self esteem

>>212460934
Sounds like you were born to lead your people to better things lad. I believe in you

>>212460987
Not particularly by western standards

>>212460872
These relationships never last. The brown man is just a tool to build up her confidence to go back to white and black men.

>>212461105
It's literally your race and I already posted the proof >>212460242
>>212460279
>>212460664
>>212460586
It's not just me who disagrees with you but the data also thinks you're full of shit.

>>212461105
I think Koreans have the most average height among all ethnic groups in the world. 6 feet could easily rank in the 10 percentage among them. And Indians are shorter than Korean

>>212458374
This coming from a brown male is the most hilarious thing I have read today.

>>212458138 (OP)
My neighbour is some pajeetcell that two head shorter and reeks cum In elevator, iv once seen into his apartment and it had some anime figures.

>>212461496
Indians however if akward and cringe still are more friendly than niggers and muslims.

Best would ne zero, but if India wants to prove its power, send here ur most anti-islam hindus and kill all muslims.

Then North shall kneel and White world praise India.

Black male superiority is what breaks brown males in the west. Brown countries are very racist towards blacks and it’s normal for brown males to feel as if they’re above black people. When they come to the west and find that blacks are higher on the social hierarchy than they are, that black males can get attractive women but brown males can’t, the brown male is forever buckbroken and emasculated. They already expected to be mogged by white men on some level. But they never thought even for a second that blacks, who they look down on, would not only be their competition but their superiors. Many brown males overcompensate for this by becoming chuds and posting far-right propaganda on /pol/ in the hopes that white massa will accept them,

As a 190cm 8/10 native Finnish man I struggle to compete against Pakistani bvlls

>>212461791
When FOB brown men (both desi and mena) arrive in Canada their eyes pop out of their skulls when they see so many white women holding hands with black guys. It's like they just witnessed a troop of Martians marching across the street. After that, they realize they have never seen a white girl holding hands with a brown man and they become furious.

>>212462115
Canada doesnt really have any mena people though so I dont know why you are lumping them in. Most browns here are south asian. I mean hell blacks themselves outnumber middle eastern people in canada

>>212462199
They are the two lowest SMV groups and react the same way to BMWF couples (eyes bulging out of their sockets, staring in shock and anger).

BRUTAL thread

Women are purely emotional. They might be predisposed to not like brown men, but that goes out of the window the moment their feelings take over.

If you're tall handsome jacked Indian Chad you will most likely make them feel (emphasis on the feeling) horny and wet, despite them being racist and predisposed to not like brown men. Being Chad is the rule and there are Chads in every race and ethnicity, perhaps the highest prevalence among Europeans.

The entire mindset displayed in this thread is completely alien to my brain. From the absolute thirst for white women, to social hierachies, to having self-respect based on how much you get approval from women(or anyone else). Its all fucking alien to me.

No one else caused seething to their mother because the gypsy neighboors failed to stab you with the knives they chased you around at 5 year old when she gave you over for babysitting so she can go and do shopping? How much have your mothers spoiled you by comparison that you actually want to talk to women?

>>212464137
Status hierarchies are everything for men because low-status males fail to breed.
Confidence comes from others respecting you and a lack of confidence comes from disrespect.
Lots of positive Reinforcement creates high confidence.
Negative reinforcement creates low confidence.
>>212464429
If you have a cock and balls you should want to talk to women.

>>212464456
No, confidence comes from the fact that I can kill at least one person before I get ganged up and killed. I dont care about respect or disrespect, none of that makes you immune to my physical violence, you can sneer all you want, at the end of the line you will die the same if I stab your neck or something.
>>212464456
Absolute nonsense. Why would I want to talk to women?

>>212458463
Saars i dont get white bobsvengana because of eurocentric beauty standard saars

>>212464564
Confidence comes from the positive experiences throughout your life and for men is closely tied to sexual success.
Watch and learn.
https://youtu.be/SlCUFdzokAw?si=xT6ozeRxPfLuuvdB

>>212464681
What do I care about sexual success? My hand can empty my balls just fine without having to deal with women. Its all fucking nonsense.

This guy in the vid says that confidence comes from how much approval you get from others, nonsense again. Its how much you can fullfil your pyramid of needs by yourself, if you can fill it all by yourself you will be confident even if you are the last person on earth without anyone to give you approval or dissaproval. If you need approval or dissaproval so much for your psyche it means you need to work on how much of that pyramid you can fullfil yourself, the more you can the less your confidence depends on external approval/dissaproval.

>>212464876
Sex is at the base of the pyramid of needs

>>212464876
>Its how much you can fullfil your pyramid of needs by yourself
Specifically the last two. If you can fullfil them by yourself then you can skip the middle bullshit and go straight to self-actualization.

>>212464876
The self esteem category includes respect of and by others

>>212464983
If you are gonna edit it to make a jeet hierarchy of needs you should at least edit it correctly and write "sex with white women".

this is the last (you) that you get from me.

>>212464997
Just the bottom one actually, and health means the fullfilment of the bottom one. If you can fill that by yourself then the rest dont matter or they are automatically fulfilled, you can jump straight to self-actualization as the next step.

>>212464997
>>212465038
I didn't edit it. Maslow put sex at the base of the pyramid. He also included "respect by others" in the esteem category and "intimacy" in the love category.
Sex is at the bottom of the pyramid. Sometimes it is listed as "reproduction". The love and belonging category, along with the self-esteem category, is also dependent on other people.

>>212465118
Sex is literally at the bottom

>>212465118
Sex is considered a basic need along with food and breathing.

>>212465145
>>212465199
>>212465264
Fine here is one more (you). I would rather be stabbed by gypsies chasing me with knives than be stuck having to hear the shrill voice of a woman again no matter how much sex I would for it this time around. Your mindset is alien to me, I dont know what you are talking about.

>>212465327
You brought up Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and nearly every level, including the base level, is dependent on others.

>>212465522
Well its not gonna say masturbation or ejaculation, thats what the word "sex" means in this context, at least for non-females and non-jeets.

>>212465584
No, it is often listed as "reproduction". You can't reproduce by yourself.

>>212465584
Reproduction

>>212465652
You are boring me jeet. If I was a white woman I would have rejected you already.

>>212465686
Well, you aren't a white woman, and they reject all browns as a rule.

>>212465756
I used the piramid thing to help me make my point, not have it define my point in such a literal way that you can use various edits as a counterpoint.

>>212465817
Well, you clearly don't know the needs of man.
>This guy in the vid says that confidence comes from how much approval you get from others, nonsense again. Its how much you can fullfil your pyramid of needs by yourself, if you can fill it all by yourself you will be confident even if you are the last person on earth without anyone to give you approval or dissaproval
You can't fulfill the pyramid by yourself.

>>212465907
If you can fullfil breathing, water, food, protection from elements, sleep, and ejaculation then you have fullfiled the base of my version of the piramid. Now fuck off, I gave you enough undeserved (you)s itt.

>>212465118
based greek philosopher. I also wont wait for all the middle ones to fill up (if ever) to try and partake in the top part.

>>212466012
>My version of the pyramid which I made up in my mind means living as a sexless, friendless, impoverished, recluse, in a cave with no status
>This is what self-actualization should look like for you and everyone else

>>212458506
> Meanwhile some uneducated, illegal asylum seeker from North Africa or Central Asia with no job, who barely spoke English let alone the local language just lands here and starts dating a new woman every week like it was nothing because he's good looking, tall and well built.
Middle eastern and Asians are just as low SMV as Indians in Europe

I would say that cultures are heavily determined by Y-chromosomal haplogroups even more so than by religion, geography, or political system. R1b cultures are characterized by narcissism, superficiality, a particular focus on appearance, style, and material possessions, very low levels of imagination, and weak self-reflection. These are the countries of bodybuilders and metrosexuals. I1 cultures are obsessed with discipline, cleanliness, hierarchy, rules, instructions, symmetry, and perfectionism. They are extremely conformist, rigid, and pedantic. These are the countries of narrow-minded and authoritarian policemen and bureaucrats. Since the West is dominated by only these two haplogroups, societal values are heavily determined by them.

>>212458885
They terrify me on an existential level.