Thread 212485230

Poland used to be so kino. . . .

>>212485230 (OP)
either that or the Soviets would have intervened and it would have ended with 10x more casualties + direct Soviet occupation

>>212485230 (OP)
I'm so sorry for all the crimes my countrymen committed against Poland. We will never be able to make amends to them.

>>212485455
You should rather be sorry for creating Poland
The problem was already solved

>>212485405
So—would Moscow have invaded without martial law?

Probably yes, at least at the threat level. Soviet forces were in place and Politburo discussions went right to the brink. But once Jaruzelski cracked down internally, Brezhnev and his colleagues took the cheaper, safer route of letting the Polish Army handle Solidarity. In that sense, martial law was both a “lesser evil” for Poles and a face‑saving escape hatch for the Kremlin. It’s almost certain that if Jaruzelski had failed to impose control, then Soviet tanks would have rolled in.

>>212486462
yeah, thankfully we have avoided that
not like the alternative was great but still

>>212486462
thanks chat jeet-pt

>>212485230 (OP)
Threadly reminder that Solidarnost wanted to provoke a Soviet intervention to start a full-scale war against the USSR and drag NATO in

He saved not only Poland but also Europe and likely the rest of the world

>>212486833
take your meds schizo

>>212486833
You reek of bologna.

>>212485230 (OP)
https://youtu.be/IH2uVcCIQc8

>>212486833
that would have been so fucking based

>>212487522
yeah Hungarians and Czechoslovaks being hunted for sports while westoids watched in 56 and 68 was really based huh

>>212487601
that's not what would happen in pasta anon's described scenario

>>212487732
his scenario is a meth-induced fantasy, not a single NATO bullet would fly towards a soviet soldier for Poland in the 80's. Hell, even now nobody is sure article 5 would hold

>>212485230 (OP)
It didn't went far enough

Every single Solidarity sympathisers should've been executed

>>212487601
They deserved it tho
They were doing very dubious reforms

>>212487464
kek

>>212487732
>>212487841
I said that WW3 is what Solidarity was secretly counting on, not what would have happened. Read declassified records of the US state department. They explicitly mention that the yanks advised you to escalate the strikes and promised unspecified support in your "fight for freedom"

In reality they had no plans of helping you of course, the goal was to provoke a war between Poland and the USSR so that neoconservatives in the US could broadcast bodies of killed Polish civilians on cable TV, rally support for Reagan opposing of le evil communism, and wreak havoc in Eastern Europe. Basically what Biden did with Ukraine but without javelins and himars. You guys have no idea how lucky you got

>>212485493
We didn't created Poland. And you rather be sorry for creating communism. If it wasn't for you, krauts, we would never have thought of this inhumane and evil ideology.

>>212488391
This is a lie
Americans would never do such evil thing

>>212488391
The unspecified support was funding through church institutions. The US did actually intervene by telling the USSR to not meddle inside Poland and they never did this for Hungary and Czechoslovakia.

fucking jews destroyed our industry and turned us into western slaves

>>212488954
That's how the free market works. Many of those state companies could only exist in a specific hermetic environment where the state handles everything and there were no alternatives.

>>212488490
You would be ruled by westerners today without Lenin tho

>>212489135
Free market isn't real because all of these huge companies receive subsidies to btfo their competition.
Remember 2008?

>>212489175
Don't look up the Romanov dynasty.

>>212489135
>Przypomnijmy, że niedawno brytyjski "Guardian" napisał, że niemiecka Grupa Schwarz (należą do niej Lidl i Kaufland) dostała preferencyjne kredyty na kwotę ok. 900 mln dolarów na rozwój sieci sklepów w Polsce oraz innych krajach Europy Środkowej i Wschodniej. Pieniądze pożyczyły Bank Światowy i EBOiR, których głównym celem jest wyrównywanie nierówności w bogactwie różnych państw. Finansują one więc głównie duże inwestycje infrastrukturalne oraz programy społeczne. Dlaczego teraz sfinansowały Lidla i Kauflanda? Obie sieci odmawiają komentarza w tej sprawie.

>>212485230 (OP)
>poles got to have BMWs during commie times
You lived on easy mode compared to rest of us

>>212491181
I thought all the party bosses in the East got BMWs and Volvos?

>>212491181
Germans were very nice to us (turn subtitles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQtjq5W51U8

>>212485405
LIES
Soviets explicitly told Jaruzelski that they won't invade

>>212492295
>he believes what Soviets say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej-KqF5CJes

they did it better in Africa

>>212492328
1.It was told in private talks between Jaruzelski and russian administration.
2. It would force USA to intervene because of Regan retardation.

>>212486833
Poland was a Warsaw pact country, not a NATO state.
Any war would have looked like in Hungary or Czechoslovakia, which actually provoked the Pact to invade them

>>212492516
>1.It was told in private talks between Jaruzelski and russian administration.
and? the soviets were pathological liars even to their "own" guys
>2. It would force USA to intervene because of Regan retardation.
delusional, all we would have got from the west would be "deepest concern"

>>212485230 (OP)
the commie pig truck driver who run over man is 100% polish police pensioner and today probably visiting croatia this july

>>212492605
depends, some people were charged with crimes and punished, also when PiS was in power they lowered their pensions to the minimum

>>212489236
>beaten by japan
>failed to quell rising unrest
>subsequently beaten by Bolsheviks
weak ineffectual cucks however

>>212492895
The Romanov dynasty died out in the main line in the XVIII century and what people mean by Romanov is actually a cadet branch of the Oldenburgs. They were already ruled by westerners.

>>212489135
>wolny rynek to jest jak januszex płaci 30% podatku a lidl 10% w niemczech xD

>>212488496
Not sure if sarcasm but yes we absolutely would

>>212492222
>saar we're western please give us cars
Poles were the original Indians

VGH... stan wojenny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx6hosFOrvI

>>212493838
well, if it works then it's fine to me