Thread 212600940

2 people working for $15/hr is a perfect wage.

It's enough for 2 people to afford a house, 2 cars, in a good city, and even enough to have a baby.

People who whine about it "not being enough" is PURE greed. You don't know how lucky you are already.

yeah

Without extraneous expenses, very possibly. You’d get sick of beans and rice, though.

>>212600940 (OP)
If you're stuck making $15 an hour with no advancement that's a personal problem.

$15 an hour is a starting wage for uneducated people who are fresh in the workforce.

>>212600940 (OP)
>48 hours a week

who the fuck?

>>212601012
48 is barely above a hobby. Real men work 60-80 hours a WEEK.

>>212600940 (OP)
Is this bait? $15/hr at 40hrs/week is $31200, so for two it'd be $62400, which is only enough for ONE person to live decently. Definitely, not two people and a child. The minimum wage in my county is only $18/hr which is hardly better.

>>212601057
Minimum wage really isn't a very effective way to increase quality of life for the working class

>>212600997
Americans have literally the cheapest food in the world relative to income. If you spend more than 400 USD per person on food monthly you're fucking retarded

>>212600940 (OP)
>just work a dogshit job that pays you just enough for rent and food goy, do not complain
>don't like it? just get a degree that will cost you big time

>>212600940 (OP)
>boomer academic posts bullshit tale on social media

>>212601084
>Americans have literally the cheapest food in the world relative to income
Yes this is true (though I think Singapore might have us beat).

Transportation and housing is what's expensive in the USA.

>>212601057
Include the tax. Both federal and state tax.

>>212601071
It depends, I agree it isn't the best way. That being said, the minimum wage SHOULD be enough to live on without welfare. If your company is above a certain size and/or has above a certain amount of revenue, it should be legally required to pay AT LEAST $20-21/hr. We already have laws like this for providing high quality benefits legally if you have a certain amount of employees or above a certain amount of revenue. The best way to increase quality of life for the working class is lowering housing cost via expanding Section-8 vouchers, and building low-cost and social housing. And also increasing time off with shorter days and more weeks of vacation.

>>212600940 (OP)
people are greedy
if people do not act on thier own self interest the economy and entire social system would literally explode and kill everyone
next time you give advice keep that in mind that no matter what you do short of pointing a gun at someone head they will not do the harder thing
set up systems that are effortless and people will do them, set up systems that require of people and you might as well be be playing with dolls in baby crib for the level of realism you deal with

>>212601096
>bullshit tale

What bullshit tale? Minimum wage jobs at convenience stores or fast food places like 7/11 or McDonald's offers great retirement plans and healthcare benefits.

Charles Murray is an accredited political scientist.

>>212601161
In my state, at 31200, not using any tax deductions like IRAs or HSAs, you'd pay 13.74% in income tax, so you'd have 26914 after tax, though I think at that level you'd quality for free healthcare and some SNAP assistance in my state.

>lower house prices
>lower med related prices
>lower crime (you know what i mean)
if all these critierias are met is us the paradise on earth

>>212601057
>>212601161
You're not accounting for the value of the benefits.

>>212601196
Better architecture and city design too, which we used to have.

>>212601189
He's advocating that you do NOT need free healthcare OR food stamps, since he's in agreement with the government in ending those programs.

Is it possible for 2 people to earth $15 an hour, paying income taxes, with no government assistance, to own a home, 2 cars, and a child? What would the breakdown be like for mortgage, car payments, food, etc, per month?

>>212601163
>The best way to increase quality of life for the working class is lowering housing cost via expanding Section-8 vouchers, and building low-cost and social housing.
We need a better market for market rate housing, that's the most important thing.

Subsidized housing should really only be necessary for low-income families and seniors. Also, if we want more social housing, we're going to need to be able to build them cheaper. We can't build affordable housing at $500k a unit.

>>212601205
So add whatever median health expenses are, since you'd get free healthcare, and then you'd maybe get an extra $100/mo for groceries since that income puts you above the maximum grocery benefits. And that's it, since that income is also above the Earned-Income-Tax-Credit qualification.

Americans don't suffer.

>>212601187
You're not getting over 30hrs/wk or $15/hr at those places.

>>212601237
>that name
now lets see the skin color of people living around

>>212601233
I don't want to block out the sun and pave over our nature to build hideous cappieblocks. The best way to lower housing costs is to disincentive real-estate as an investment, and deport the tens of millions who shouldn't be here, who are taking up housing units. There should be progressive real-estate taxes for each home you own, going up 10% of the home value for every extra home you own.

>>212601163
>If your company is above a certain size and/or has above a certain amount of revenue, it should be legally required to pay AT LEAST $20-21/hr
This would cause unemployment, especially in low cost of living areas, and completely nuke part time jobs for teenagers and students.

Also why does company size matter? Why should small businesses be able to pay people $15 an hour, while larger businesses have to pay $20? That doesn't really make sense.

>>212601258
See, you're being greedy again. Just because your home has a few bullet holes doesn't mean it's unlivable.

>>212601237
Bumfucknowhere Niggerville, Ilinois

>>212601218
1. He's vermin
2. The government isn't ending those programs, just adding work and/or job application requirements for benefits
3. No it isn't at all possible to do that unless you live in the middle of nowhere in a god-awful state. Again, this man is vermin who should be castrated and turned into a slave

>>212601258
>>212601278
Literally 77% white lmao you guys will use any fucking excuse

>>212601262
This would destroy the rental market, which would be very bad for low income people and anyone who doesn't want to own a home (for instance, if you're only living somewhere temporarily).

Renting is a valid option. We don't need to incentive home ownership over renting.
>I don't want to block out the sun and pave over our nature to build hideous cappieblocks
Blocking out the sun is good, I like shade. And increasing density is good for quality of life.

>>212601270
This is bullshit. Minimum wages have been implemented and raised across the country, and this has not happened. This is a Reagenite myth. And they can pay more because they make more revenue. If you can hire over 50 people, you can give them good benefits. Again, we already have laws for this, and it has not caused mass unemployment as you say it does. Stop worshipping greedy vermin who see you as nothing more than work cattle.

Theres no way this guy believes this shit right?

>>212601306
No it wouldn't moron. It'd make it so there are more independent landlords who only own a home or two. Also, please commit suicide, skyscrapers should be rare and at the very least have good architecture.

>>212601300
Still bumfucknowhere

>>212600940 (OP)
If you work 48 hours per week you are working too much to have kids

>>212601345
>It'd make it so there are more independent landlords who only own a home or two
Why exactly is this a good thing? I don't particularly care whether or not my landlord is some mom and pop landlord or an investment firm. A mom and pop landlord isn't going to own a 300 unit apartment building also, that's just not realistic.

Investment firms buying apartment buildings incentives developers to build, which expands the housing supply.

>>212601108
>Transportation
Your gas prices are like 1/3rd of what euros have to pay lol

>>212601030
Turns out this guy don't even work
He just makes tiktok videos

>>212601300
>77%
unless the rest of those numbers are asian i suspect the 13% is higher here

>>212601360
The kid can get a job too, and stop being a fucking leech. Imagine 3 people in a home earning $15/hr. That's $45/hr combined!

>>212601371
Yes but many are in places where having a car isn't optional. Also the gas prices here being cheap is because our gas taxes are low.

>>212601071
It's actually the most effective way, but only if it raises constantly and above inflation

>>212601384
just have 10 kids and then no one in the house needs to work
I knew a guy with 10 kids and all he did all day was collect bikes he found
super fat too it was kinda funny

>>212601374
>making TikTok videos
>not work

Go and tell streamers that. They do 80+ hours a week, and they work Sat/Suns.

>>212601345
Behead landlords and expropriate anyone with more than one house
Make the state take control of such basic amenities as housing

>>212601388
>Yes but many are in places where having a car isn't optional
So? Having a car isnt optional for most euros either unless you want to spend 2 hours commuting. Americans are the most spoiled people on the planet and you dont even realise it, you literally have the highest salaries than any country on Earth excluding some tax havens like Monaco, cheapest gas, food, utilities and electronics in the entire developed world while having lower taxes. Even your real estate is cheaper than anywhere in Europe relative to income

>>212601418
>>212601384
Based. We need to go back to 1820s working standards. That's where the golden age of mankind was.

Plus we should distribute cocaine to workers to make them avoid this dumb stuff called sleep

>>212601391
Making it easier to build housing and expanding public transportation are both way more effective than increasing the minimum wage.

Modest minimum wage increases won't cause too many negative effects, but increasing the minimum wage $8 above market rate for entry level fast food workers is not a good idea.

>>212600940 (OP)
This "intellectual" literally never did anything of note according to wikipedia yet he claims he's worked 48 hours a week for sixty (60!) years. Fucking grifter dipshit. If only americans actually used the second amendment for good.

>>212601461
And who needs a house or apartment when you can just pay two pennies to lean over a rope and doze off!

>>212601463
Public transportation you're right, making it easier to build housing isn't.
You're just going to have a bunch of billionaire companies buying all the real estate for especulation.
>Modest minimum wage increases won't cause too many negative effects, but increasing the minimum wage $8 above market rate for entry level fast food workers is not a good idea
Very well.

>>212601497
That's how real men slept

Now every young men wants a "roof to live". Bunch of crybabies if you ask me

>>212601499
>You're just going to have a bunch of billionaire companies buying all the real estate for especulation.
This isn't a real problem.

The companies buying real estate rent it out, so it doesn't actually reduce housing supply. Also, who exactly is supposed to own and manage a large apartment building if a large company doesn't buy it? Are you expecting some random dude to just spend $100M on an apartment building, manage it and rent out all the units?

Investment firms aren't just buying housing and leaving it vacant, that's a leftists myth that doesn't make any sense. Why would a company buy housing, leave it vacant and collect 0 rent, and pay a bunch of property taxes? That' makes no sense. The real vacant properties companies buy are vacant lots and surface parking lots for land speculation purposes, and that would be fixed by imposing a land value tax.

you work that ass, boi, I need your tax money to pay for my social security checks

>>212600940 (OP)
No one is purchasing a house on $15/hr
Epic ragebait tho

you haul 16 tons and what da ya get another day older and deeper in debt. tell saint peter i cant go i owe my soul to the company store

>>212601538
A developer gets investment from many people who each purchase two of the apartments he's building. They can then live in one, and rent out the other. There.

It's scary how much this is considered normal now. In the days of the cold war these capitalist retards would do anything to give their workers a decent quality of life in their countries in order to stop them from voting some communist fuck into power, and now that communists are gone they treat their people like shit because the danger of regime change is gone so they can lash out on the middle class all they want and everyone is treating it like it's a normal thing

>>212601656
We're just retvrning to tradition or something

>>212601656
Was a thread a week or so ago about how the Cold War forced incredible innovation, and increases in quality of life, but now that it is gone, innovation has stagnated and QOL has steadily decreased. China is basically capitalist too, so it isn't like there'll be another war of ideologies. Unironically, if the culture war was leverage properly, it could lead to huge increases in QOL.

>>212601057
My wife and I live comfortably on that and we could support 1 child if we didn't have to pay for daycare
>Hurr ur a flyover
We live in Las Vegas

>>212601770
>be serf
>earn 1 penny every day
>happier than dogshit

>be lazy worker now
>earn $15/hr
>whine every second

Charles Murray is right. Zoomers need to SHUT THE FUCK UP and MAN UP!

>>212601814
The medieval serf didn't know what he didn't have
so of course he was happy

>>212601805
>>Hurr ur a flyover
>We live in Las Vegas
Vegas is a squalid shithole the only reason it's not considered flyover is because of tourism

>>212600940 (OP)
>2 people working
but that wasn't the case until recently
women in the workplace made rent prices skyrocket and birth rates plummet

>>212601849
Yes, but think about the productivity for your CEOs. Think about the tax revenue collected, and the things the money is being used for.

>>212601844
It's one of the most booming cities in the US, retard. Cope harder.

>>212601950
Booming in what? spics living in ghettos, strippers, and gambling?
Vegas is a disgusting inhuman place inhabited by some of the most revolting human trash on the planet

>>212601057
He said 48 hours each, which includes 8 hours overtime which would be +50% typically

>>212601986
Is that how jobs work in the US? You can just waltz your way into your local convenience store, demand a full-time job, with 8 hours of OT per week, in perpetuity, with 100% work protection, with sick pay, and job security of not being laid off, because just 1 month of unemployment would derail everything because you live literally paycheque to paycheque?

>>212600940 (OP)
>2 people working for $15/hr is a perfect wage.
>It's enough for 2 people to afford a house, 2 cars, in a good city, and even enough to have a baby.
no, it isn't

>>212601071
the republican party has presented zero alternative ways to increase quality of life for the working class

>>212601163
How to solve the homelessness crisis. Guaranteed studio box apartment for all over 18. If you want a bigger place, werk for it.

We'll need this really bad when AI molests the job market in 10 years

>quality of life
>living standards
>GDP
>minimum wage
>working class
>tax credits
>tax deductions
>housing
Sorry but I'm not falling for any of these materialist psyops

>>212601805
Las Vegas is worse than flyover states, people visit the strip to gamble, fuck, and get high and/or drunk, and then leave right after to avoid staying in Vegas too long.

>>212601881
>Think about the tax revenue collected, and the things the money is being used for.
Importing millions of browns and funding subversive progressive horseshit? Oh and also abortions and tranny surgeries of course.

>>212602147
Not a bad idea honestly. That is the concept of basic standard of living. Everyone is guaranteed what they need to live ok (maybe require part-time work/volunteering like 9 months out of the year), but if you want more then you have to work for it.

>>212602056
No, but if you are fortunate enough to have a minimum wage job with consistent mandatory overtime you can live like he suggests you can. Most minimum wage jobs would rather hire 2 part timers than 1 full timer. If you are a full timer, they will go fucking psychotic if you go one second over 40 hours and cut you down to about 30 for the next week just to make sure you don't get too uppity and start expecting that +50% rate.

We need to slit the throats of lolbertarians open

>>212600997
>>212601084
>>212601108
>>212601371
DOGFUCKING
RAPED
KIKE

>>212600940 (OP)
>yeah you can barely live a good life in bumfuck, nowhereville if BOTH parents work full-time jobs
Damn bro where do I sign?

>>212602494
48h is more than full time

I get 10 hours a week average

>>212600940 (OP)
>Couples
>Baby
Lol look at this retarded boomer thinking that still happens normally for people.

>>212601071
>>212601805
>>212601986
>>212602386
DOGFUCKING
RAPED
KIKE

>>212602056
Theres no OT bonus in that pay its just 8h of work 6 days a week = 48h

>>212602290
>>212602315
>>212602335
>>212602386
DOGFUCKING
RAPED
KIKE

>>212600940 (OP)
>Boomer tells people to settle for less than they got
Typical

>>212601977
>>212602290
You do realize that it's a city of 2.4 million people and that there's more than just Fremont St and the strip, right?

>>212602728
>there's more than just Fremont St and the strip, right?
You're so right there's also lots of shithole ghettos and stripmalls to see

>>212601057
God, you're a spoiled bitch.
What are you doing with fucking 60k/year you insane tranny that that's your minimum to live "decently"? Fuck it, I doubt you even work.

>except a few megalopolises
so where 99% of the jobs, money and homes are
boomers like this shouldn't be allowed to breathe. I would turn off his oxygen support machine.

>>212600940 (OP)
Retarded boomservative

>>212600940 (OP)
mr murry $15 an hour jobs are rarely full time, at best you'll get 20 hours a week
so everything he says falls apart

>>212601582
Powerful

>>212600940 (OP)
If both works 48 hours a week who's going to take care of the baby?

>>212602522
don't state these things out in the open, you'll upset the americans

>>212600940 (OP)
charles murray is so disconnected from reality

everywhere pays $15/hr now so all the prices increased to make it worthless

my household income is over 100k in a shithole economically depressed state and it's still not enough to stay ahead of the costs

>>212605680
>100k and still can't live comfortably
I swear to allah all americans are retarded.

>>212605377
Conservaboomers never think of that