>>212609322 (OP)
Not great, I am very self conscious of it and I try my best. But I still sound like a euro. English speakers think I'm some sort of northern euro when I speak.

I have a fantasy that I'd be the president of some African shithole and go meet with Trump on one of these occasions, then woo him with my accentless American English and knowledge of American sports. He'd go like "funny guy, I like him" and make some fairly small investments in my country which would amount to like 200% of the GDP.

>>212609322 (OP)
Not great, I am very self conscious of it and I try my best to speak like a stereotypical italian. And in fact I sound like an Italian. English speakers think I'm some sort of terrone when I speak.

>>212609322 (OP)
Better than any anglo I've ever spoken to.

>>212609322 (OP)
i really just can't hate this retard, hes too damn funny

>>212609486
*Better than that of any Anglo to whom I've spoken

>>212609416

>>212609322 (OP)
Common Liberians unironically speak awful English

>Liberian English
https://youtu.be/Y76c6UqN0dc?si=AgGWNGWBpIQqMiEv

>>212609322 (OP)
If I took proficiency test I'd probably get C1 but I feel like my grammar and active vocabulary has been slipping recently. I have a slight accent but it's less noticeable than that of an average pole and I usually subconsciously mimic American pronunciation despite only ever learning British one.

>>212609543
Never met an anglo who actually tryhards their speech that much.

>>212609837
>speech
diction*

I'm unlearning English. It brought me nothing but crazy shit. Stelletje mongolen.

>>212609969
yeah speak dutch instead

>>212609969
.

>>212609942
No, speech.

>>212610007
>>212610020
That is not even dutch.

>>212609837
Only when nitpicking at ESLers :^)

>>212610007
>>212610020
Lmfao

>>212610040
the joke is that it's so similar it basically sounds like that

>>212610047
Not even. Only in writing. None of them could put together a proper sentence without Google.

>>212609322 (OP)
Not good I have difficulties for speaking and writing but by against it is good for reading and listening.

>>212609322 (OP)
ChadGPT has destroyed my ability to communicate in English. Now I just write my thoughts in Italian and translate them in the shart idiom

>>212610103
yeah that's normal with any language, understanding a language is always much easier than producing it, mastering a language is all about closing that gap

What do you guys get from English? You get to play non-localized video games, watch TV, and go on the internet. Is that all?

>>212609322 (OP)
why do canadians suffer from TDS

>>212610181
The American penis average is bigger than the Canadian average look it up. That's why.

>>212610165
Work related matters too

>>212610165
access to the largest repository of human knowledge and entertainment
you try learning about any specialized topic while not knowing english
EOPs probably take it for granted that they have easy access to all this stuff and that it must be available in other languages, so much isn't

>>212610165
If you aren't fluent in English these days you're practically illiterate to the wider world.

>>212610165
worth it just to shitpost on 4chan. work related advantages are just bonus.

>>212610101
>None of them could put together a proper sentence without Google.
No, only non-native speakers need to use Google to form a proper sentence, and a non-proficient one at that. That's just part of what being fluent in the language means.

>>212610293
Says the burger after making a post with multiple errors.

>>212609543
Both are equally valid.

>>212609463
>some African shithole
....you already live in one

>>212610464
that's part of the fantasy smart guy

>>212610375
One error, and it's comparable to you forgetting the "that of."

>>212610101
>You HAVE to believe me! Even though I'm an ESL from irradiated ex-Soviet oblast #7492-4!

>>212610165
Shitposting on the 'chan
Pirating English media is 10 times easier

>>212610415
No, they aren't.
>Let me tell you about your native tongue!
No? The fucking nerve of you cunts.

>>212610554
No, just speaking colloquially instead formally already makes it an improper sentence in this context.

>>212610165
Talking to hot tourist women

>>212610557
I don't care what you do or don't believe. I'm just saying I don't find the attempt at nitpicking impressive.

>>212610600
I'm speaking casually because 4chan isn't a formal environment

>>212610584
>appeal to authority fallacy
rookie mistake!

>>212610643
4chan is a serious business

>>212610643
I know. This is an environment where using formally improper sentences is not just accepted but even expected.
My claim is that, if you had to use actually proper formal English, you would be unable to do so in real time.

>>212610766
I'm curious what you mean by that. I think I actually make more mistakes when typing online, because in real life, I would hear myself speak, it would sound wrong, and I would correct myself. Online, I make mistakes like that one I made earlier, and other grammatical mistakes, more frequently.
I have heard that Finnish has both a casual version and a formal, written version that most people couldn't hold a conversation in, but English isn't diglossic in the same way that Finnish is.

>>212610915
Go paste your post into ChatGPT and ask it to make it formal, then observe the difference.

>>212609322 (OP)
at this point you honestly can't blame americans for being uneducated

What is this.......L-Latvian's... problem?

>>212611725
esl delusions

>>212611796
Probably interacted with English people for the first time and got a thorn in his arse because they weren't speaking in the manner that he had learnt from his books and Harry Potter films

>>212611664
This is, frankly, not that different. It just sounds more corporate and very ChatGPT-ish.
I guess I couldn't speak the same way 19th century authors wrote, if that's what you meant, but that would just be a matter of spending enough time reading such books and listening to others speak that way in the righr environment for a little bit.

>>212609322 (OP)
Im gonna talk like a jeet and fucks timmy gon do

>>212612071
Lmao, this is how all my foreign colleagues type their E-mails in an attempt to be 'formal'. It's jarring.

>>212612071
whenever I see em dashes I know it's ChatJeet

>>212610648
Ignore the bong; you are right— they're both equally valid.

>>212612071
I found a pair of very pretty but complex sentences from Jane Eyre. I definitely couldn't speak like this all the time;

Bessie had been down into the kitchen, and she brought up with her a tart on a certain brightly painted china plate, whose bird of paradise, nestling in a wreath of convolvuli and rosebuds, had been wont to stir in me a most enthusiastic sense of admiration; and which plate I had often petitioned to be allowed to take in my hand in order to examine it more closely, but had always hitherto been deemed unworthy of such a privilege. This precious vessel was now placed on my knee, and I was cordially invited to eat the circlet of delicate pastry upon it.

>>212609486
>>212609543
Both sentences have grammatical issues, but the second one is structurally correct (with one minor adjustment). Here's why:
Capitalization Error: "anglo" should be capitalized as "Anglo" when referring to a person of English descent or heritage (it's derived from a proper noun).
Grammatical Issue: This sentence directly compares the subject (implied to be some quality like "His English" or "Their accent") to a person ("any Anglo"). This is illogical. You need to compare the quality of the subject to the same quality possessed by the Anglo person.
Informal Preposition: Ending with "to" is common in speech but considered informal by some strict grammarians.

"Better than that of any Anglo to whom I've spoken."
Correct Comparison: "that of" correctly refers back to the implied quality being compared (e.g., "His English is better than that [the English] of any Anglo...").
Formal Preposition: "to whom I've spoken" is grammatically correct and formal.
Capitalization: "Anglo" is capitalized.
Minor Adjustment Needed: While grammatically sound, this sentence requires context to know what "that" refers to. It only works if the quality being compared was mentioned previously. For example:
"His pronunciation is excellent. It is better than that of any Anglo to whom I've spoken."

The structurally and grammatically correct sentence is:
"Better than that of any Anglo to whom I've spoken."
For the sentence to be fully clear and natural:
It must follow a sentence establishing what is better (e.g., "His English", "Their accent", "This dialect").
It is quite formal. A slightly less formal but still correct version would be: "Better than that of any Anglo I've ever spoken to."

The first sentence can be fixed by adding context and capitalization:
"His English is better than that of any Anglo I've ever spoken to." (Adding the subject and "that of" for correct comparison, plus capitalization).