Thread 212674256

Why is Russia attacking Ukraine? Redpill me.
It's kind of depressing if you think about it. It's akin to USA and Canada killing each other.

>>212674256 (OP)
Ukraine was getting too close to the West and Russia didn't like that. Plus Ukraine held some territories that belonged to Russia in the past and they wanted them back.

it's nato expansion, at least ukraine betraying neutrality status, basically a reverse cuban missile crises

Because every time Ukraine starts to grow Russia pulls some economic bullshit to make their economy take a downturn. They got tired of this, ousted their pro-Russian leader in 'le evil western backed color revolution', and tensions grew. From there Russia decided it was time to forcefully bring what they likely see as their misguided vassal state back in line. Putin was sold the lie by his yes-men that Russians would be loved and greeted as liberators. We see how that turned out. And since it started most of those yes-men are now gone.

>>212674256 (OP)
Ukraine forced Russia to invade it, and I say this without irony.

>>212674256 (OP)
well you see, the story first starts in the year 4000 BC...

>>212674256 (OP)
Nobody knows.

>>212674256 (OP)
imperialistic mindset
Russia is just a shit society

>>212674256 (OP)
>Pro-Russian president in charge
>Does a shit job, breaks promises to be closer to Russia
>Public starts protesting
>He cracks down
>Public starts protesting the crackdowns
>President fucks off because crackdowns aren't working anymore, his party impeaches then and he is now ousted in absentia
>Russia flips its shit because that means Ukraine leaving its dwindling zone of influence, in Europe its really just Belarus left, and occupies parts of it so it cannot join NATO and would be too awkward to join EU
>Also some argument about ancestral clay and nazis or something
That's basically it, Russia's satellite wants to leave, but they don't want them to leave so it so they try to at least keep them fully out of rivals hands, after 2022 it also turned into a nationalism thing also

>>212674268
>>212674289
Not even Putin uses that propaganda. Putin wants all of Ukraine.

Putin says 'the whole of Ukraine is ours'
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-the-whole-ukraine-is-ours-theory-may-take-city-sumy-2025-06-20/

>>212674256 (OP)
Ukraine didn't want to be an impoverished Russian vassal anymore

>>212674256 (OP)
>Main reason: Ukraine was getting too close to the US/UK/FR/GR axis of evil
>Secondary reason: Putin is a Russian boomer and they're obsessed with regaining the glory they once had after WWII*

*Not concrete I just read some compelling writings from Russian political columnists

>>212674331
your mother forced me to rape her

If Yuros are leaving Russia why aren't Central Asians?

>>212674256 (OP)
To stop the biolabs churning out jewish gay nazi supersoldiers or however the conscript is raped

>>212674331
Right, because Russia is sooooooooo threatened by the West

>>212675429
They are, Azerbaijan has fucked off, Armenia, after Azerbaijan kicked them in the groin while Russia's dollar store NATO was just watching and not doing anything, really doesn't want to remain for much longer, Georgia's government is doing all it can not to end up with a Maidan of their own, Kazakhstan really doesn't give a shit and has said that it won't help Russia, so that leaves what? Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan who...I don't know what those two are up to actually

>>212674256 (OP)
They're too similar to each other so they feel like they have to set their differences apart through the means of war

>>212674509
you forgot to mention that the coup was sponsored by CIA

The truth nuke is that if you want to become a great leader in russian history you have to kill millions of russians. The more russians you kill the more "based" you are because no one hates russians more than other russians.
This is why Putin is using tactics that maximize russian death and suffering instead of just carpet bombing the entire country in 2022 and destroying Kiev with the ballistic missile stockpile they had. They just hit civilian areas with a few missile every day (instead of actual military targets on the front) then send 5 niggas on a bike every 10 minutes across the entire front losing 30k men every few months for a bombed village or two

>>212675597
>the CIA shat in my pants

>>212674256 (OP)
For power and territorial gains, same as all invasions. It's more complicated but also it really isn't

>>212675489
In fact, yes, the West threatens Russia.

>>212675642
explain this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QxZ8t3V_bk&ab_channel=CitizenActionNow

>>212675706
How

>>212675597
Damn, CIA hired a bunch of random civilians and none of them have spoken out about CIA hiring them, huh?

>>212675748
so you think CIA had nothing to do with the color revolutions?

>>212675740
>a single old woman managed to btfo the entirety of the russian intelligence services despite Ukraine sharing a border with Russia instead of America.
>the cia shat in my pants
You guys are so fucking incompetent its insane, even Romania can stop Russia from interfering with our elections and you cant stop a single fat american american woman from destroying your entire empire KEK

>>212675792
I don't believe that color revolutions are possible without outright mind control devices

>>212675746
Giving Ukraine thousands of long-range and Leopard tanks

>>212675823
the funniest part is that its apparently America's fault that Russia is a shit hole that everybody is trying to escape.

>>212675840
we gave them a couple dozen Leopards. we should be giving them thousands though.

>>212675840
Russia was forced to invade because west gave Ukraine material support during the war?

>>212675840
>Giving Ukraine thousands of long-range and Leopard tanks
This happened BECAUSE Russia invaded Ukraine you fucking retard

>>212674256 (OP)
They had no choice but to invade to stop NATO expansion (NATO is now bigger than it was when the 3-day special military operation began).

>>212674256 (OP)
Same reason any country invades another one, to expand their power and influence. Everything else is cope created by retards to try and justify there own bullshit worldview

>>212675868
>>212675867
They wouldn't have provoked their imperialist neighbor in the first place. Nothing would have happened to them if they hadn't flirted with NATO membership.

>>212675947
Ukraine couldn't have joined NATO to begin with due to Donbass situation tho

>>212675740
You didn't listen to the entire thing

>>212675966
They simply had to follow Moscow's orders, and a million Ukrainians wouldn't have died. No one in the West would have invaded them if that had been the case.

>>212675987
feel free to post it

>>212675947
Look, at the end of the day, I don't think ukrainians want to be a part of the russosphere. And who could blame them? If you know anything about the history of the region, or how shit Russia is, who could blame them? It's still not a valid casus belli for invasion

>>212675853
Why do you like starting wars in Europe? Do you find it fun?

>>212675998
>So you have to remain a worse Belarus because yes
>No
>Wtf man you're FORCING me to kill hundreds of thousands of people on both sides

>>212676028
Yes, exactly that. Screw them. They forced Russia to invade. They did the same thing as Poland in 1939.

>>212674268
The territory thing only applied to Crimea, which they already de facto control since 2014. Nothing new changed there.
>>212674304
There is a sense that if Ukr does better than Rus economically it might be too embarrassing for Russia. But Ukraine is still poorer per capita. It is somewhat less unequal than Russia however, hence the average Ukrainian is richer, especially in the big city centers west.
>>212674331
>>212675947
Tru, Ukraine shouldn't have dressed like that.
Zigs, not even once
>>212675429
They lost virtually all their influence in the Caucasus and their relationship with Kazakhstan is now a lot more shakey. Their only reliable ally is now Belarus.

Putin still stuck in the Cold War and muh power blocks+he's too stupid to figure out how to make others like his country

>>212674256 (OP)
Ukraine was occupied by western NGOs and glowies and turned to anti-russia despite significant portion of population being pro-russian

>>212674256 (OP)
Lust of power. Like there is no moral reason behind it. They saw it as beneficial to Russia so they did.
Its evil behavior and everyone advocating for Russia is an evil person

>>212676102
"The ukranians will welcome us a liberators!" Moment

>>212676008
It's basically 2 US officials talking about who they want to take the lead after Ukraine's govt melted down and not agreeing with EU's stance of doing nothing as usual

>>212675597
>The CIA made these people favour a free and prosperous west over our dysfunctional shithole and protest against a corrupt president

>>212674256 (OP)
Russian minorities in Donbass were being tortured by Ukrainian military forces, notably the Azov Battalion. Really it's no different from how NATO carved out a chunk of Serbia.

>>212676132
Occupied nations have their people groomed into fake nationalisms
For example america is under the rule of a jewish oligarchy, and europenis under the rule of america.

It just boggles my mind how Russians seem to be fine with it. No real progress in the war since more than 2 years. Like do they not care? Do they think sanctions and putting so much stuff into defence and dwindeling economic reserves will help them long term?

>>212674256 (OP)
>It's akin to USA and Canada killing each other.
Yes, in a way. Russia is not an empire without Ukraine.

>>212674256 (OP)
denazification

>>212676261
Dat's where they become, de nazis!

>>212676261
There's no nazis now. Sadly.

>>212675597
Who in this case did nothing wrong

geopolitics is the front, but real reason is russian imperialism

russian patriots see ukraine not as the state but rebellous province, plus it's drifting towards "the enemy"
however i always felt that nato expansion was nothing more than casus belli, and they prove it by almost completely pulling off troops and anti air from Kaliningrad, American border, and Finnish border, which means they know NATO is not going to attack them.

>>212676148
yeah, cause Ukraine has been doing so great ever since