Thread 212692048

native american headdresses looks bad ass

i prefer mesoamerican and andean ones

>>212692304
>>212692231
>>212692197
queer retard looking

>>212692048 (OP)
>>212692197

cannibalism imparts a certain savage style on a stone age people.

>>212692197
>>212692231
>>212692304
Looks demonic

>>212692361
Plains Indians weren't cannibals

>>212692197
Pic was a mummy discovered in Caral recently. It may have the oldest known headdress from here and South America, made from fibers (lower right corner). It also features the oldest feather art known in the Andes (lower center bottom).

>>212694340
we all know! this whole board loves peru stop humblebragging

>>212692048 (OP)
>>212692197
>>212692231
>>212692304
>>212692353
>>212692396
This scares the paleface

>>212692197
weak

>>212692197
You would

>>212694667
Even our natives are better than the Spics ones

>>212694667
God, I love North American natives. If I could choose to be born any other race I'd chose those guys.

>>212694706
>even ours

>>212694818
Plains Indians had a very meat rich diet, they ate a lot of buffalo meat

>>212694667
>implying

>>212695051
If this is true Guatemalans or South Mexicans would be taller than Spanish people

Guess what, they're not

>>212694340
They are finding a lot of stuff from Caral-Supe lately

>>212696148
A headdress with a similar shape as the one in the Caral mummy from the Chimu

>>212692197
Same

>>212696200
Classic Teotihuacan and Zapotecs had very extravagant, giant headdresses.

>>212696148
Other than that, many Caral figurines show people wearing lawtu-like headdresses, basically a piece of cloth or cord wrapped around the head.

>>212694667
It's the trade off for creating a writing system

>>212696223
You're not ready for this.

Interesting thread for a change have a bump

>>212696388
why did this type of square hat that was very popular before colonization among andeans die off? it looks kino

>>212696517
You know my people have a mass-sacrificing, cannibalising period too

>>212696200
Yep, the Chimu often had cylindrical headdresses like that, the fanciest, but they were common all around. During Inca times, Collasuyu peoples were known for them. Pic related.

In the image, Chinchaysuyu corresponds to the Peruvian highlands rather than the coast (Chimu lands), since it was Poma’s homeland. The Chimu were little regarded by highlanders after the Inca conquest, the first reports mention that highlanders considered coastal people barbaric, lesser people, etc

>>212696819
Here's a recreation of a Colla representative sent to the Atacama Desert during the Inca Empire. In Collasuyu, the Incas often governed through Colla intermediaries close to them. They even began calling all the Altiplano peoples "Colla" so today, the most common use of the term doesn't actually match the original Colla kingdom.
>>212696635
Basically it appeared with the Middle Horizon (Wari and Tiwanaku), especially around Wari territory and ended with the end of that period.

>>212696819
>the first reports mention that highlanders considered coastal people barbaric, lesser people, etc
Which is funny, because coastal artifacts are often more impressive than highland ones across almost all periods, while highlanders tended to be more rudimentary or rustic. Here's a Chimu headdress similar to >>212696200

>>212696812
你是江西人?
i think it's fun when there are parallels between eurasian cultures and mesoamerican/andeans.
>>212696819
weren't chimu artisans brought from chan chan to cusco due to their skill?
>>212697141
do you have any pics of inca era headdresses?
>>212697213
yes. it's an interesting development.
in mesoamerica during the postclassic i'd certainly say art was just as good as during the classic if not even reaching a new zenith but in the andes the incas are kinda boring imo. no offense lol. they are much more spartan and abstract than the peoples before them.

there's still a certain beauty in their simplicity of decoration but i still prefer moche, paracas and tiwanaku. earlier andean art is specially complex and colorful. i REALLY wonder why people in the north coast stopped doing portrait vessels, specially cause the chimu and lambayaque seemed to still have been very good artisans as their moche ancestors.

>>212697956
Pic is a sling llawtu

>>212692048 (OP)
cool

>>212692048 (OP)
This style is only for Plains Indians (the best kind) like Lakota and Sioux.

>>212700051
For the Incas, not many examples have survived, but typically Inca men wore llawtu (a cord, sometimes more like a headband or turban), and women wore iñaca (or ñañaca, sort of like a veil). Many of their subjects did too, especially in more Incanized regions like large parts of the highlands. But across much of the empire, there were lots of different types of headwear.

Men also wore chucu helmets during war, often decorated like in the pic, it has a qassana tokapu motif

>>212700051
how is this worn?
>>212703534
how come even though the inka were the last major civilization of the andes there doesn't seem to be many inkan artifacts like there are chimu or moche stuff?

That's a very cool thread
Gracias amigos para enseñarnos todas estas cosas

>>212704001
>how is this worn?
You wrap it around the head as many times as necessary, like in this image
Btw people like the Chachapoya used the lawtu sling as part of their traditional clothing for example.

>>212692891
everyone is a cannibal if they're hungry enough

>>212704001
>how come even though the inka were the last major civilization of the andes there doesn't seem to be many inkan artifacts like there are chimu or moche stuff?

The Cusco heartland has a pretty bad climate for preserving things like bodies, textiles, etc. For example, you can find images from the 1940s showing Nazca mummies being displayed in Cusco for curious visitors, because locally nothing was that well preserved.

Most of the preserved Inca stuff comes from the coast because it's a desert, but that wasn’t their primary area. It competes with local stuff and often has some local twist. In the mountains, only some family heirlooms are that well preserved. Well, aside from a small number of extremely well preserved items from a dozen or so Capacocha burials found at the tops of stratovolcanoes, distant from the heartland.

>>212704001
For example, caps like your image (likely mislabeled) were local to the coast, to the Nazca people. They continued to be produced after their conquest by Wari. Pic for example is a cap with human hair correctly labeled from the south coast from Wari times, acquired by the Brooklyn Museum.

https://coleccion-textil.irinaartetextil.com/objeto_textil/00013/

There's the possibly that yours could be from the Chincha, the culture that developed in the Nazca territory after the Wari fell, and then came into Inca hands. But I’ve never seen a Chincha cap like that, so I think it’s unlikely.

>>212706627
This one is from Nazca times

I used to have one saved with little horns, but I couldn’t find it

>>212703534
>Men also wore chucu helmets during war
That image shows that there was more variety than what is usually seen in Inca art, which basically depicts only this type of war helmet. Some may have had metal coverings, as some accounts mention.

>>212703534
some other war headdresses

>>212692048 (OP)
I disagree, I think it looks pretty good.

>>212694667
Why are they all so fat?

>>212703534
Special headwear was also wore for certain events like dances, many dances had specific attires, which is something that continues to his day.

Pic, for example, shows Chuncho performers, Chuncho meaning Amazonian barbarian, originally meant to mocking them. There are still many different variations of the Chuncho dance across Peru.

>>212707601
Though, since these ones don’t have facial paint, they might be Ayarachi

While women in Inca art are almost always seen wearing iñaca, there are some extremely well-preserved representations of fancy gold or silver illa (earth payment amulets) shaped like women, still dressed and with elaborate headdresses. This headdress, from a Capacocha mummy, was buried with an illa wearing the same miniature headdress.

Colonial drawing of the burial of a Chimu curaca with a large headdress. Below are Chimu earspools showing an authority figure being carried.

Another Chimu headdress

Nazca

Chimu again

From Huarato, near Nazca

Paracas

>>212708103
A Paracas mummy

>>212708148
Another one, both were females

>>212692197
They are quite beautiful. My rez recently hosted 2 tribes from Mexico. Their head-dresses and regalia were amazing.
>t. woodland native

A Moche (pre-Chimu culture) war helmet is shown on this pot

Nazca mummy (a culture contemporary with the Moche) wearing llawtu.

From around Arequipa

Colla

>>212707982
Chimu too

>>212708476
The Chimu spread a similar style all the way down to Lima. Pic is from Puruchuco, near Pachacamac, used by the local curaca there during Inca times.

Paracas (pre-Nazca culture)

Chimu

Moche

Tarapaca

>>212708947
Also Tarapacá

Chachapoyas

Paracas

Jacaru headdress, from Lima’s countryside. They also preserve the use of tupu (large pins), acsu (dress), and shucuy (moccasins), but that’s another story.

Post cute andean girls for me to jack off to.

>>212709302
Can’t do, here’s the use of the ñañaca veil in Bolivia across time (also tupu, acsu)

Ashaninka headdress from the Peruvian Amazon. Their dress was heavily influenced by the Incas, for example, they use kusma, a word recorded for unku in Chinchaysuyu.

>>212709600
>also tupu, acsu
and lliclla

>>212709736
Ashaninka women's veil

>>212709771
cute!

Wari

This one from Recuay museum is based on a finding, the museum obviously needs more funding, like they used a mass-produced mannequin

>>212709771
Peruanas are sexo

i think the northwestern tribes have the coolest aestetics

>>212712425
They display other male ones in a similar manner.

But what’s interesting about that one in particular is that around the Ancash region (where the town of Recuay is located), similar-shaped headwear is used during certain dances, like the Pallas and Shacshas in some towns. You also see this in parts of the Huanuco region.

Vid from Huaraz, the capital of the Ancash region, well, Lake Parón is about 2 hours from Huaraz.

>>212713026
>headwear is used during certain dances, like the Pallas and Shacshas in some towns
Shacsha is a traditional warrior dance from Ancash, dates back to pre-Inca times and is linked to the Wayllas people. Wayllas/Huaylas is the former name of the Ancash region, during the colony and when it was an Inca province. Their main centers were Caraz and Huaraz, capitals of Hanan and Hurin Wayllas, respectively. Recuay was also an Inca town, but today the name is associated to an ancient culture first studied in that area.
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>>212713026
>similar-shaped headwear is used during certain dances, like the Pallas and Shacshas in some towns
Shacsha was originally a warrior dance from Ancash, dating back to the pre-Inca kingdom of Wayllas, the former name of Ancash until 1839. As an Inca province, Caraz and Huaraz were the capitals of the Hanan and Hurin Wayllas, respectively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4x3QpX4XaU

>>212713648
Are you some kind of university professor that has gone haywire?

>>212713026
And Palla is an exclusive women’s dance from Ancash and nearby areas, one of the words for princess, specifically a married one
>>212713871
Nah

>>212697956
No, I’m not from Jiangxi (I don’t think that province was under the Shang’s control too). When I said ‘We’ I was talking about pan-chinese civilization and those who identify under it in general.

>>212712913
They are cool too. I think in the later years they made armor from chinese coins.

>>212714300
Too bad our peruanon is more knowledgable on how many men his pinoy ex fucked.

Traditional headwear used in a llama packers’ dance from a province in the Arequipa region.

>>212714842
Headscarves used during a local Chachapoya festival known as Raymi Llaqta (town festival)

Headwear from Capachica, Puno region (from Chachapoyas it’s at the other end of Peru)

Traditional headdress from Ayaviri, Puno region. She’s a local singer, here’s a Quechua song by her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-ZeRvfDrV0