it blew my mind when I found out that Europeans have 0 nature on their continent. Its actually quite sad. The forest on the right would be considered a historic nature heritage site in Europe, and the europeans don't even see a problem with it.
case in point: all the Europeans who will comment on this thread, genuinely wondering what the problem is
Why do Europeans hate nature so much? Is it just an American gene to love and preserve nature? The settler and pioneer and explorer and the cowboy of olden days, their blood is still in us Americans.

>>212710330 (OP)
>Why do americans build their houses out of wood
It's just old world seethe about how they don't have any extra trees. I hear in China there's like no animals. The Chinese ate them all.

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The USA has destroyed most of its primeval forests just like Europe has and I'm sure with Trump in power you're going to lose even more to logging

>>212710488
Everyone looked so exhausted back then

>>212710330 (OP)
>The settler and pioneer and explorer and the cowboy of olden days, their blood is still in us Americans.
60% of American genetic material arrived after 1850

It is very sad indeed. I've seen small patches of intact forest and its magical, its like another world.

>>212710330 (OP)
Unlike the US, Europe has explicit policies to preserve all old-growth forests. That's to be expected, the American mind is confused and disgusted by the notion of "nature".

>>212710516
Dehydration unironically

>>212710569
based Linkola enjoyer

>>212710569
They were stories being told for science knows how long, abruptly ended.

>>212710536
Cowboy era didn't end till the 1900s

>>212710578
there is no old growth in europe retard. we have national parks and untouched wilderness areas bigger than your countries

>>212710578
Least ignorant euroshart

>>212710578
Euro apes are so fucking retarded. lol

>>212710609
>there is no old growth in europe retard
most educated mutt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_old-growth_forests#Europe

>>212710653
>AI Talking About America's Old Growth Forests: The United States has significantly more old-growth forest than Europe. While Europe retains some old-growth areas, they are comparatively small and fragmented. The US, on the other hand, has vast expanses of old-growth, particularly in the Tongass National Forest in Alaska and other regions.

>>212710692
>AI
>tongue ass
An American post, to be sure.

>>212710578
>Europe has explicit policies to preserve all old-growth forests
Too bad you don't have any.

>>212710330 (OP)
euros replaced God with government and seek to destroy all natural beauty by trying to appease to mankind to regulate everything, there are parts of europe where they can't even cut down trees on their own private property without permission from the government first. they are truly pathetic creatures

Here about half the land is forest, a good deal of it untouched and dense to the point of being impassable
In case of the rest of europe it's just a matter of population density

>>212710653
based on your source, there are 64.7 sq miles of old growth in the great nation of Austria
Meanwhile the Tongass National Forest has 8,436 sq miles of old growth, a quarter of the size of your entire country

>>212710771
>These are the forests the laws would apply to

>>212710330 (OP)
No nature?

>>212710839
There's a skyscraper out of frame

>>212710839

>>212710488
did they cut that down for shits and giggles?
how would they even transport and process a log that huge?

>>212710916
In the past, before smartphones, people used these things called their brain to solve problems.

>>212710854
Nope. No skyscrapers in the middle of England. Just farms and little patches of forest

>>212710915
I've never seen a more American looking park

>>212710944
looks like shit

>>212710944
thats so fucking ugly
is that seriously the best nature you can find in england? a random hill with farms and a cell tower behind it?

>>212710944
>>212710944
There is a road that looks pretty big to the right and a giant tower on that hill in the distance and a shed towards the middle left

>>212710967
>looks like shit

lots of people's houses actually

>>212710985
nice selfie

new world north american continent is superior I know

>>212710978
Well yes, we live in an island. You're never far away from a village or a farm

>>212710964
actually this is what an average park in america looks like

Americans will go into Amsterdam and go
>where's muh wilderness
>heh, I guess us Americans just do it better!
Please go to Norway, get lost inna woods there and die already, gosh

>>212711096
get lost in my toilet and drown little plumber

>>212711052
must suck major dick to be in that situation. I can go to some pristine wilderness mountain range in montana that youve never heard of that is half the size of england and be 100 miles from the nearest civilization, all because i have the privilege of being an american
but then again europeans probably would get scared in that situation because there arent any trains or doctors and engineers around

>>212711077
America is big. You haven't filled it up yet. You think that is somehow an achievement

>>212711117
>>212711121

>>212711052
Simon made fun of it once on one of his youtube documentary channels about how it struck him as odd that Americans can just run off into the wilderness off grid. He said he can find a forest and hide somewhere, but within a few minutes an old lady would walk by and ask what is he doing hiding in the forest.

>>212711121
actually we are quite full. i heard england needs more doctors and engineers though, better import more indians and arabs

>>212710578
>policies to preserve all old-growth forests
Unless they have lignite under them.

>>212711151
Congratulations, there are large parts of your continent without Americans
>>212711155
>actually we are quite full
Even you think there are too many Americans

>>212710402
I assure you they have animals in china
We sell soy to them so they can feed their pigs

>>212710794
But the argument was there is none in Europe he proved there was

>>212710915
Post a literal park in texas

>>212710330 (OP)
American trees aren't very interesting to look at. They're just brown poles

>>212710915
that grill is definitely American, the park in my town has a bunch of those.

>>212710578
They hate nature, because their retarded neo-protestant beliefs forbid them from enjoying anything, so they need to flatten centuries old woodlands to make room for soulless suburbs. Nature is fun and pretty, so nature has to go and need to be replaced with uniformed lawns where nothing but a single species of grass can grow but only up to a certain height before it gets mowed down.

>>212711235
i meant wild animals
>>212711210
Thank you

>>212711790
>tf
>tp
Nigga the U.S had the first national parks in the world and has a thriving outdoorsman culture. Meanwhile Europe has .... what exactly? Urban density & forest owned by centuries old buttfuck families that don't let anyone on it?

You people are spectacularly retarded.

>>212710330 (OP)
Europe has been chopping forests for 2000 years, the US only for 400. You'll get there eventually...

>>212711846
>no right to roam
sorry but you completely fail on the outdoors culture.

>>212710330 (OP)
I like trees :)
>>212710402
I like animals and eating them :)
>>212710488
I like Trump :)
>>212710516
I like not having to work so hard or such long hours due to automation :)
>>212710536
I like my ancestors :)
>>212710578
I like nature :)
>>212710594
I like drinking water :)
>>212710602
I like sheriffs :)
>>212710785
I like The Holy Writ :)
>>212710854
I like skyscrapers :)

>>212710916
By workhorse team and then train after cutting it up on site
The US used to have quite a few extremely good draft horses
They even still had several pairs of Clydesdales at the county fair when I was growing up, and they'd announce when they were having the pulling contest. You wouldn't believe how much weight a pair of Clydesdales can pull through mud. And you wouldn't believe how much they enjoy it, champing at the bit doesn't describe it, it wasn't even really timed they just sent until they stalled out, yet they'd be false starting before they were hitched, that's how eager they were to pull.

>>212710536
>60% of Amrican genetic material arrived after 1850
Just patently, objectively incorrect. The most populated part of the U.S is almost entirely Old Stock. Though many of the cowboy/pioneers were post 1850 migrants anyway.

>>212711973
I actually prefer to hike through miles of redwoods than to call myself a nature lover for lurking in my neighbor's backyard creeping on them

Hungary got EU funding to build a treetop bridge and then cut down all the trees kek

>>212712131
>backyard
why do you always assume its someones private property? dont regular citizens own land in usa?

>>212712171
your sentence is directly contradictory. private property would mean owning land.

>>212712171
Do you ride the short bus? I grew up on 60 acres and parents weren't wealthy at all, they just took a loan for a good deal on unwanted land. Why would I need a loicense to walk on land I live on? And do you think scrappy white pine can compare to redwoods? Are you dense?

>>212712215
no. private property would imply the land you live on. owning land detatched from that and maybe even a state or two away is something different.

>>212710330 (OP)
every forest is private property and economically used here. thats the problem

private land ownership = bad for nature

>>212712159
Jesus Christ, literally PUCCIA tier comical stupidity and corruption.

Primeval forests are a treasure and I've been writing to my politicians to start naturalizing unused plots of land and replanting a mix of native trees instead of rows of pine trees like the commies have done until now.

>>212710578
>Europe has explicit policies to preserve all old-growth forests.
lol no, even our "nature reserves" are largely not original forest and of course very much managed and in economic use, with skiing slopes, lifts, hotels, roads, forestry, cow grazing etc.

>>212712242
so you only walked on thoose 60acres as you grew up? grim. i grew up on a traditional farm here with 80 acres of farmland, some 50 acres of forest surrounding it and an additional 250 acres of forest and highlands a short drive away, i hiked everyehere else and others would hike and camp on our land. everything here from the coast to the highest mountain is owned by someone. that land is our national park, everyone can hike and camp everywhere.

>>212712293
scamming the EU is something all countries should strive to do

>>212712459
>norway
>everyone can hike and camp everywhere.

meanwhile in the alps... a farmer blocks a popular hiking trail and demands an entry fee on his land.

>>212712547
dangerous. by doing so he offers a paid service and can be held responsible and economicly liable for his visitors and whatever might happend to them.
a key part of the right to roam law here you are resposible for your own safety, you cannot under any circumstance hold the landowner responsible.

>>212710330 (OP)
That's just the result of hundreds of years of intensive industry and agriculture. If you weren't a democrat voting pansy, you would understand.

>>212710330 (OP)
there are forests everywhere here idk what youre talking about
sure if you go in the middle of the rhineland, northern italy or england you wont be seeing much, but its like getting between new york and dc or on the californian coast and saying theres no nature.

>>212710569
at least we don't die from the heckin common cold. My totally unbiased history teacher (a random youtube channel) told me that living to 30 made you an old man because everyone died of dysentery at age 19. So glad we don't have to deal with that anymore. Yep, I'm nice and safe in my apartment in the middle of the city surrounded by other cities, but when I want to enjoy some nature, I walk down to my public park to look at the three trees the city just recently planted and will eventually cut down when they get more than 10 feet tall because drivers start complaining they can't see to turn the corner at 35mph and keep hitting each other. Moral of the story: nature bad, industrial civilization good. Nothing bad will ever come from taking antibiotics every time I get a cold. I'm sure this won't cause an acceleration in natural selection of extremely deadly and resistant bacterial infections which will decimate the human population.

>>212712650
here neither. the farmer lobby is insanely strong. farmers are the new nobility, they are a class above regular citizens. they are allowed to do as they please and dont have any duties or responsibilities. the hiking trails are maintained by a volunteer club called the "alpenverein", the farmers dont have to do anything.

>>212713377
egalitarianism just goes against the natural order of things

>>212710915
Meanwhile yank parks have street lights and parking lots.

>>212710330 (OP)
"Nature" isn't just big trees retarded mutt. Americans killed all their wildlife btw, even more so than Europeans despite being a new country.

americans aren't even allowed to just walk into the woods and camp and forage

they need to do it in designated parks at designated camping zones(TM)

>>212710578
truke

>>212710330 (OP)
>Why does a continent with 4x our population density have less areas of untouched nature?
It's a mystery.

Its unironically true that Americans have way more nature and actual forests. No need to come up with copes to deny that. That doesn't mean we don't have any, but most of it is concentrated in certain parts of Italy, Spain and Romania. Pine plantations are unfortunately very common here. The good news is that broadleaf forest is very slowly regrowing in places like Germany and France. Wild animals like boars and wolves are increasing too.

>>212710330 (OP)

>>212710330 (OP)
>Is it just an American gene to love and preserve nature?
No.

>>212712547
based farmer staying wary of trespassers

>>212714126
yes but they dont have easy access to it, nature can be further away for them than say a cityfag somewhere in central europe. he will never be more than a few hours in train from the alps or a short flight away from norway, both places you can start your hike as you leave the train or plane.

Yes it's called industrial forest and forest industry.

>>212710578
the post that broke americans

>>212710330 (OP)
WRONG
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bia%C5%82owie%C5%BCa_Forest
I didn't expect americabro to check information before making a thread.
But yeah we have too little of true wilderness, which happens when you are in an old continent that cut most trees from forests before the idea of enivonment protection became influential. Also we have shit government which doesn't do too much to protect it.

>>212710330 (OP)
Wow

>>212710330 (OP)
first of all: foresting
second of all: america doesnt give ashit about nature. if you watch they foresting practices in comparison to europes, you see how brutal americans just cut down trees without a single care because they just have so much of it.
you cant even do that in europe or you get your ass beat so hard be the government they wood money wont be worth the fine
you always say you are care but i have seen different. same for canadians btw
Also look at your gardens and your green sprayed grass and compare them to a proper garden and tell me again who loves nature.
you get fines for having a nature like garden.

>>212710330 (OP)
The forest near my house is like the one on the left though

>>212710794
>yours are bigger
no shit sherlock your country is bigger
that wasnt the question
your entire country is bigger than europe you brainlet

>>212716487
there is an australian farmer who's farm is larger than some european countries

>>212710330 (OP)
What are you talking about? The US has Forest coverage of 33.9%. Meanwhile there are 18 countries in Europe that have higher than that. On average Europe is 39%. Of course if you cherrypick countries like UK or Netherlands you won't find much trees there.