Thread 212776164

how is it possible that japan became the richest country in the world *right after* getting bombed to shit by the USA?

>>212776164 (OP)
Korean, Japan and Taiwan are proof hard work and collective work ethic will pull your country up.

>>212776164 (OP)
Japan is declining though.

>>212776164 (OP)
USA bombed them but then built them right back up because they rightly saw the japs as a potential ally in a region that was extremely vulnerable to communism.

America could have just left them to turn into a festering shithole like the Philippines or whatever. Japs owe the USA big time.

>>212776164 (OP)
>>212776251
They had just enough brains to flourish under US occupation unlike other brown shitholes like yours and the middle east.

>>212776164 (OP)
It was the Soviet Union who defeated Japan with Operation August Storm. Your shit bombs had almost no effect besides killing civilians


How Japan got so rich. Your country of criminals helped them to have a military base near China. But now it's over because your shitty criminal country is totally broken and Trump trying to reduce the value of the dollar is your last hope

>>212776459
>Operation August Storm
I've never heard of this

>>212776536
You should read about the Khalkhin-Gol battles. Literally the primary reason why Japan attacked America and not the USSR

>>212776164 (OP)
Western Europe and Japan got rebuilt by America after ww2. That’s the main reason for their success today. No country gets rich from playing by the roles

>>212776704
So JApan rivaled the American economy in the 80s tech sector because America was funneling them money? Damn, the more ya know!

>>212776164 (OP)
Yo are overestimating the power of aerial bombing.
Normally you target only military facilities.
Only small part of cities get damaged by that unless you use atomic bombs or Dresden-like carpet bombing.

>>212776789
After rebuilding their country, the Americans set the system up for Japan and funded them way before the 80s. These are 3 privileges not a a lot of countries get.

>>212776789
if america didn't rebuild them after wwii (which they could have just not done that) then ya obviously they would have been borked

Wealth of a nation is the result of hard work, intelligence, and functional systems and culture.
Japan had them all.
From the 90's onwards the system wasn't functional anymore, it couldn't adapt.

>>212776915
Japan has been bombed 1045 times.
Of course, the damage to civilians was great, and since most Japanese houses were made of wood, many houses were also destroyed by fire caused by the bombings.

>>212777255
kek

>>212776164 (OP)
your country built them back up to stop them from becoming communist like china

>>212776359
>>212776349
If they gave that money to other Asian countries, it would still be shit. Japanese work ethic is next level.

>>212776164 (OP)
For cars, they made a superior product.

But overall, Japan devalued their own currency to outcompete other countries. This changed in the 80's and they've been stagnant since.

>>212776164 (OP)
Their scientists, engineers and policymakers thought, "Hey, instead of destroying Asia, why don't we try to be likeable to Gaijin?"

>>212778381
>"Instead of making shitty tanks that get mogged by Russians, what about fuel efficient cars?"
>"Yeah!"
>"Neato!"

>>212776164 (OP)
2 waves of industrialization

first the late 1800 industrialization during the Rangaku period, they had roughly 50 years of peace with a colonial power (dutch) that willingly shared everything, transmitting the knowledge of industrial and scientific revolution that was occurring in europe. in the 17th and 18th centuries, the dutch were the most economically wealthy and scientifically advanced of all european nations, which put them in a privileged position to transfer western knowledge to japan. the japanese purchased and translated scientific books from the dutch, obtained from them western curiosities and manufactures (such as clocks, medical instruments, celestial and terrestrial globes, maps, plant seeds), and received demonstrations of Western innovations, such as the demonstrations of electric phenomena, and the flight of a hot air balloon in the early 19th century. This led them to their industrialization in the late 1800s and were able to defeat a Western power in 1904-1905 in war and avoid colonization. they also had good geographical advantage as an island nation was more defensible than continental countries so it would be hard to launch an invasion against them which also kept them from being colonized before that time as well. obviously this started to change with more advance military aircraft in WW2 and the nuclear bomb.

second, after WW2, they weren't building up, they were rebuilding and still had mature institutions and tech know how from 70 to 80s years of prior industrialization. the US also gave major economic assistance including tech transfers like advanced production techniques and management practices. the Korean War also became a major boost as japan became the U.S.’s military supplier and logistics base, reviving manufacturing.

I grew up in the 90s-00s. Back much of daily tech (tvs, vcrs/dvd players, kitchen appliances etc) was from Japanese brands. These days it's all gone. Japan was smart enough to innovate (and/or copy, see pic attached) at some point but nowadays they've been outcompeted because they thought the world owed it its success.

>>212777851
I mean, shells cause much more damage than aerial bombardment and it’s way more cheaper and effective.

In order to neutralize a city, you need hundreds of long-range strategic bombers that were expensive af and months-long preparation.
Carrying bombs hundreds kilometers away with slow-speed bombers was also risky.

Besides, bombing civilian residents has militaristic meaning as proven in the Battle of Britain.

That is, the damage Americans inflicted on us was minor compared to that of Russian mass artillery fire to Germany, which were carried out 10 times more.
Even in Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Tokyo, the large part of the prefecture was intact.
You can’t even bomb a whole prefecture let alone a whole country.
The big wing tactics was basically a waste of money.

>>212778770
>Carrying bombs hundreds kilometers away with slow-speed bombers was also risky.
Japan ceased to have a functioning air force by late 1944 so there really wasn't anything stopping Superfortresses from bombing Japan. We basically ran out of military targets. Same thing happened in North Korea during the Korean War.

>>212778786
Zero kept existing till the end of the way no matter ineffective they were and bombers had to fly at low attitude to secure accuracy.
Also bad whether in the pacific plagued American airplanes.

I’d call it a risk taking into consideration how expensive they were and how much more effective and cheaper shells were in comparison.

>>212778770
>the large part of the prefecture was intact.
They don't drop bombs on the countryside or farmland.

>Only small part of cities get damaged by that unless you use atomic bombs or Dresden-like carpet bombing.
They used incendiary bombs to cause effective destruction.
A very effective strategy to burn down all the inhabitants living around the factory.
That strategy was much more effective than using scarce bombs or providing large numbers of bombers against urban areas in Japan, where houses are densely built mostly of wood.

>>212778941
The Zero was useless without a carrier because it was a ship-based aircraft.
The fighters protecting the Japanese mainland were Type I to Type IV fighters, but to attack before the bombers could gain flying altitude, they had to make a suicide attack, ignoring the fuel on their return.

>>212776459
Very old (and obviously ridiculous) commie propaganda

>>212778941
The Japanese air force completely ceased all defensive operations to counter American air raids by early 1945, even if they had the fuel to launch them. B-29 bombers at low bombing altitude were far higher than anything Japanese planes or AA guns could reach, and were essentially untouchable at this point in the war.

>>212779434
>>212779591
American lost 450 B-29, 150 of which were shot down by Japanese fighters and AA-guns.
Off course kill ratio was overwhelming in favor of Americans but they weren’t completely defenseless either.

>incendiary bombs
Yes they were effective.
My whole point is:
Bombardment alone was not devastating enough to wholly eliminate the possibility of rebuilding the post war economy.

Japans situation was more like Germany in WW1.
Battles were taught in foreign land and surrendered before theirs was invaded.
Economic recovered faster than and “outpowered” the French.

>>212776164 (OP)
They literally built up a bubble and failed to let it pop which is why they have 4 straight decades known as the lost decades and the largest debt to gdp ratio ever recorded.

It wasn't healthy nor organic.

>>212780492
how is it possible that 4 fucking decades can go by and they can't fix their economy

>>212780542
You have no idea how prideful Japan is. To fix the problem they had to let the economy naturally fail but they weren't ever going to lose face internationally.

>>212776164 (OP)
The bombs were full of money not fissile material
It's a coverup
We bribed the Japanese to surrender

>>212776343
my benis inclines when I see Japan women though

>>212780578
>To fix the problem they had to let the economy naturally fail
can you please explain your stupid economic theory in a bit more detail, I'm genuinely curious

>>212776164 (OP)
>Richest
They weren't though. But their rebound was mainly due to the fact that they still had all the monetary capital and human resources available to them after the war. Their people were well educated, and large companies that became rich in the war could easily rebuild entire blocks and several dozen factories for ever one that they lost during.

>>212780656
there was like a solid year that japan was the richest country

1. the bombing wasn't so fatally severe
2. US economic aid or some shit
3. they profited off of Korean war. produced weapons and supplies for the US forces in Korea

>>212780626
>explain your stupid economic theory
Nawh, fuck you. Learn how to approach people if you expect them to give you their time.

BWC

>>212780832
that's fine

Authoritarian central control through their central bank and a war economy adapted to post-war construction. The same thing that was responsible for their rise also brought their downfall
Look for "prince of yen" documentary

>>212780542
It's a demographic issue. People invest money into businesses because they think they'll make even more money in the future, at which point they'll be able to sell it off to someone else at a higher price, and then that someone else will expect the same thing, over and over again forever.

But if the number of consumers and workers available to the business is in freefall there likely won't be any growth in the future and therefore there's no reason to invest. Capitalism is a pyramid scheme and can't function in an environment of decline.

>>212776704
Europe would have rebuilt without the US regardless. Japan most likely too. However the US did contribute to the rebuilding.

>>212780969
Prince of the Yen is flawed. It has too many inaccuracies such as the Plaza Accord is what started the decline of the Japanese economy. It wasn't. The plaza accord was signed late in Sept. 22nd of 1985. The Japanese Yen started its decline from its recent peak in February of that year because their economy was shrinking already and it NEVER saw anywhere near those levels ever again.

>>212776164 (OP)
Culture plain and simple. This is the reason East Asian cultures can achieve successes rivalling the west while the other third world shitholes stagnate in crime and corruption.

To those saying it is because the US funded and built them up, you are forgetting that Japan was able to build itself up to rival the European powers on its own through the Meiji restoration and even go as far as to defeat one of them in war only 40 years later - something no one expected at the time. It then went on to the point in WW2 that it poised a serious challenge to the US, a country with vastly greater manpower and resources, despite the Western powers conspired against it in the League of Nations in the lead up to that war.

Japan was able to achieve this because it had the requisite cultural characteristics to learn and command Western technology that became available to it when it opened it.

People like to say that Africa was prevented from developing because the West stole all it's resources. Japan had no resources so to speak of in the first place.

>>212779956
>Bombardment alone was not devastating enough to wholly eliminate the possibility of rebuilding the post war economy.
You should have said it first
or always keep saying it

>>212776164 (OP)
Japan was already the richest Asian country in 1930s. It didn't take that much time to become super rich in 1980s.

>>212781123
Lol no plaza accord is a complete retard meme spread by the most gullible chinese diaspora as evidence of evil americanism. Currencies don't decide whether a country is successful or not. The accord only acts as a reason for the bank of japan to act as retardedly as it has, which has been one of the main causes.

>>212781316
And even then no action by any of the japanese authorities is really a main cause. The main cause is the rises of South Korea and China, taking Japan's business away from Japan.

Cars? China. TVs? China. Whatever small electronics? China.

>>212780740
Koreans suffer
??????
PROFIT

>>212776164 (OP)
People forget that Japan pillaged over 2 Trillion US Dollars worth of gold from the Asian countries they invaded during WW2. They used that to rebuild after the war,

>>212776359
>>212776251


Really? Rather, the true reason is that Japan had a nice amount of stolen resources they stole from Asia during their invasions of various Asian countries to prop up their Post World War 2 Reconstruction.

>>212776164 (OP)
>so rich
we are richer than them

>>212784026
>>212784056
What makes a SEA monkey this schizopheric, no access to pussy?

Japan was rich before that too, they modernized before the rest of asia. Not being colonized helped.

>>212784109
Good joke

>>212784307
>no access to pussy?
do you have access to pussy?

>>212784364
.

>>212784437
All these "Muh GDP growth!" from shit countries just telling us how GDP stats are easily-manipulated and useless metric.

>>212784471
it's almost funny how japanese posters loved to boast about their high gdp figures for years and years on this website but now they are "easily-manipulated and useless metrics"
keep crying

>>212784546
Where is Spain

>>212784471
Your country was a backwater shithole until the west forcefully opened you up and sent you tons of intellectuals to civilize you.

>>212784711
False


Matthew C. Perry, American naval officer, "Narrative of the Expedition of an American Squadron (1852-1854)"
>Simoda shows an advanced state of civilization, much, beyond our own boasted progress in the attention of its constructors to the cleanliness and healthfulness of the place. There are not only gutters, but sewers, which drain the refuse water and filth directly into the sea or the small stream which divides the town. (p. 467)

>Hakodadi, like all the Japanese towns, is remarkably clean, the streets being suitably constructed for draining, and kept, by constant sprinkling and sweeping, in a neat and healthful condition. (p. 507)

>>212784684
well done anon

You know how Europe became poor in the 70's and onwards? It was due to Japan. They took over the largest industries by operating at a loss for decades. It eventually crashed on them but Europe never really recovered.

>>212784915
False. Eurotards were already behind the calculator war and its semiconductor explosive growth in 1960-70s.

>>212776164 (OP)
They gained access to the American market and tailored their economy towards exporting to it

>>212785116
Where is your shithole

>>212785052
I was thinking of stuff like shipbuilding, office supplies, various electronics.

>>212785140
You can't afford a cat but I can. That means I'm superior

Lol.

Claims to be worth Billions in GDP

Debt is 250% of GDP

LOL

>>212785408
Filipina slut gets creampied by a Japanese man
https://xhamster.com/videos/adorable-filipina-slut-gets-creampied-by-a-japanese-man-xhlLRsr

>>212785582
I bet SEA girls lips smell like Japanese dick. lol

>>212785616
>>212785582

You don't even breed, you have a virginity epidemic in Japan, yet you post outliers of Japanese having sex? Is sex so special there that so many of you are virgins it's considered a rarity that a Japanese man is having sex? LOL!

Almost every Filipino has had sex, nigga, that's it's not special here.

That's why we have a positive population growth rate, cause most Filipinos have sex, unlike with Japan wherein your population is shrinking because you don't even have sex.

>>212786225
>believing a literal ethnic nip in nipland can speaku engrish with the exception of gookmoot
you're stupid if you think the nip flags are the nip posters themselves. those are fecaloid pajeets with nip flags, probably one of those janitors/garbage collector visajeet worker in tokyo or osaka.

i fucking hate them, they ruined everything wherever they go.

>>212776164 (OP)
>Aadesh Singh
>a turdie name
who? and is this another "let me tell you about your country" bs?