Thread 212795286

Real nigga economy vs wannabe nigga economies

>>212795286 (OP)
>put LED tv screens on sidewalks for no reason to boost gdp

>>212795286 (OP)
Well China does have like 4 times the population, so there's a good bit more demand

>>212795557
Not more population than India, Europe and America combined

>>212795582
They use less per capita than USA, India is still really poor and much of their population still lives in undeveloped rural villages, and Europeans suffer rather than have air conditioning.

Well they only use a little bit more per capita than Europe. China of course has a lot of energy intensive manufacturing so that makes sense.

>>212795286 (OP)
>China concentrates all of the world's production, but also all of the nature ravaging pollution
They can have it, I want my air to be a gas, not a solid.

USA is as high as it is purely because of air conditioning, 100%. They laugh at our proclivity to melt at anything over 20 Celsius, but refrigerate their homes to a point where you can leave the milk out.

>>212795286 (OP)
Now do per capita.

>>212798372
China's air pollution has actually improved a lot over the last decade. It's still not on par with most of Europe, but they nowhere as polluted as they were in 2008.

>>212795286 (OP)
This just proves Japan is more technologically advanced and power semiconductor devices are well-spread throughout the nation.

>>212798588
LOL, I love your Singaporean sense of humor.

>>212795286 (OP)
At least we’re saving the environment by deindustrialization and make room for low CO2 footprint people xD

>>212798702
>>212798705
>In the early 2000s, China had extremely poor air quality as a result of rapid industrialisation, leading to a public outcry in the run-up to the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

>In response, Chinese authorities fitted scrubbers to coal power plants to curb the dirtiest emissions and tightened rules governing vehicle exhausts, leading to a 75 per cent drop in sulphate emissions.

>But there is a sting in the tail of this environmental success story. According to a new analysis, China’s dirty air had inadvertently been cooling the planet, and now that it is gone we are starting to see a greater warming effect.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2474067-dramatic-cuts-in-chinas-air-pollution-drove-surge-in-global-warming/

Funny how the world works huh.

>>212795286 (OP)
EU is not a country

>>212798869
>China is becoming less polluted because they cut down on this one specific pollutant
>I'm actually serious
Oh, you're a Chinese expat. Why'd you leave your glorious homeland if it's so great?

>>212795487
>10% of US gdp is imputed rent

>>212799310
>I have no argument

You can find hundreds of sources, Chinese air and water pollution are down across the board and still dropping fast. Why do you think that they invested in renewables and EVs for?

>>212798396
still, eu population is not decreasing to have a decreasing line

>>212799436
>Chinese air and water pollution are down across the board and still dropping fast
According to whom? CCP statistics?
>Why do you think that we invested in renewables and EVs for?
You invested in those for soft power and also to flood the world with that government subsidized low quality crap and undercut any local production, so capturing the global market for further exploitation.

>>212799544
Yes, that’s just our retarded politicians shutting everything down because flushing your toilet twice is literally a crime against nature oder so.

>>212799393
Oh yeah america is crumbling, two more weeks, we're not literally the only country visited by aliens because we're on the verge of reaching the singularity at all

>>212799812
>According to whom? CCP statistics?

You know there's thing called satellites that are looking down on earth, that can see the amount of pollution that countries emit right?

>You invested in those for soft power and also to flood the world with that government subsidized low quality crap and undercut any local production, so capturing the global market for further exploitation.

Solar+storage is clearly the future of energy. China just jumped on the train first. You can blame the Americans for suppressing renewables for decades in favor of oil/gas for so long, instead of investing in them first and capturing the market 20 years ago.

interesting
south korea produces more electricity than the uk, germany, and france

>>212799812
>You invested in those for soft power and also to flood the world with that government subsidized low quality crap and undercut any local production, so capturing the global market for further exploitation.
But it's ok when Japan does it

>>212800053
>China ahead in renewables transition
Tell me when its there. Currently it's still the most polluted country in the world by far, building 100GW of coal power last year, even India can't compete.

And no, satellites can't reliably track pollution. Even if we're talking strictly about visible types like air pollution, because cloud cover is a thing.

>You can blame the Americans for suppressing renewables for decades
So why are complaining now that they are developing their own green industries and tariffing you so they can develop without competition? You should be happy for the environment.

>>212800373
We actually tried a lot every since the beginning to be into renewables and electric stuff. The first presidential car that wasn't driven by horses was electric. It just turned out to be all retarded and shit cause like the batteries were like all gay and heavy and shit.

China fakes all their GDP stats

Even China's last leader admitted all of their GDP stats are fake. Poor third world country

Every Chinese wants to marry a white boy so they can flee China.

>>212800222
Japan isn't aggressive and belligerent, like China. China should try this thing called "being polite and civilized".

>>212800493
First ICE car was also utter shit and considered purely a novelty. You need to keep developing a thing for it to become better. Although I agree electric cars are shit as a concept, electric trams, trolleys, metros and trains are the future: all of the benefits without having to have a literal bomb on board.

>>212800373
>So why are complaining now that they are developing their own green industries and tariffing you so they can develop without competition? You should be happy for the environment.
Because Americans cannot be trusted on green tech. Just like they cannot be trusted to make media that isn't slop.

>>212800652
>Japan isn't aggressive and belligerent
They're spoiled instead

>>212800373
>Currently it's still the most polluted country in the world by far

Not even close lol.

>building 100GW of coal power last year,

Mainly because they want to close alot of the older dirty plants and also a lot of their coal plants are just for backup for their renewables. Coal versions of gas peaker plants.

>So why are complaining now that they are developing their own green industries and tariffing you so they can develop without competition?

Who said I'm angry? America had a chance to take over the renewable market 20 years ago, they went "drill baby drill" instead and dumped nuclear too. Literally the same thing is happening with Trump.

>And no, satellites can't reliably track pollution. Even if we're talking strictly about visible types like air pollution, because cloud cover is a thing.

There's independent tracking agencies operating within China.

Smelly country

Every Chinese person ever wishes they were born in Taiwan instead

Fujian wishes to region with Taiwan. One day they will and they will see their GDP skyrocket. They will wave the ROC flag proudly.

>>212800824
This video is from NATO ally Georgia

>>212800930
>Posting jeet fake news
Desperate

>>212800493
Nah, you fucking gave up after barely trying.

>>212800742
>>212800778
>>212800801
This is kind of underwhelming after I saw all of this shit happening to real Chinese workers in /b/ and /gif/ rekt threads.

>>212800992
>Ching Chong it's not true China wasn't humiliated like a cuck!

>>212801048
>Admitting you spend time on those boards consuming that kind of content
Lol

>>212801048
Well this is a blue board so sadly I can't post the real versions

>>212801073
>It's true because Gagandeep Akshit Dikshit said so
Lol

>>212801143
It's true because we know Pakistan used Chang anti air and we know it didn't work. Keep coping Chang

>>212795286 (OP)
How the hell have Japan and Russia not budged for 40 years?

>>212801149
corr propa scran

>>212800373
I've been to both and India is so much more polluted that it makes Chinese air look like Swiss mountain also air. India is just a total shithole

>>212801170
>Indian reports
India is a joke

>>212801206
They stagnated hard
>>212801170
Shooting Europe's best jets is considered "not working"?

>>212801249
>The images and videos are fake because they make China look weak and pathetic
Sorry Chang

>>212801090
Hey, you have to educate yourself somehow. We can't have people erroneously think that China is a safe and developed country.

>>212801255
Luckily he is in China, a civilized country. In America they would have shot him within a few seconds.

>>212801315
That's why you fled to Canada where you get pounded by BWC daily

>>212801283
Let's do that by posting decade old webms. China is already more automated than Japan and Germany and they're not slowing down anytime soon. End goal is full automation, no humans on the factory floor at all.

>>212801283
>I'm educating myself by watching incidents that could come from any country

>>212801370
Projecting your homosexuality?

>>212801473
Sorry, not Chinese where 8% of the male population is gay, the highest on earth

>>212801379
Interesting how China has already taken Germany and Japan in per capita here. USA being left behind in manufacturing as usual.

>>212801255
Food delivery people in China work for less than 0.5 cents per delivery. Think about it. Chinese are really poor. Even if they graduate from the most prestigious universities in China, They can't find jobs and become unemployed, so they deliver food for less than 0.5 cents per delivery. No Wonder, the world is full of Illegal Chinese immigrants.

>>212801229
They're both terribly polluted, but China is worse, simply because it's more corrupt and has more polluting industries.
>muslim going to bat for China
How's that Xinjiang cotton, soft?

>>212801521
China is very sad. They could have been rich like Taiwan, Japan or Korea but decided to follow a retarded ideology from a hippy jew.

>>212801479
I think in America he would have been run over or shot before the video ended.

>>212801538
>They're both terribly polluted, but China is worse, simply because it's more corrupt and has more polluting industries.
China doesn't have 20 storey tall landfills in its capital city. Sorry jeet.

>>212801379
Tell me when that actually happens. I wonder what the billions of newly unemployed Chinese people will do to the CCP.

>>212801421
That's the thing. Those aren't random accidents that could have happened to anyone in any country. They are all results of blatant disregard for safety standards.

China is in the top 7% of worst polluted countries on earth

>>212801564
>a retarded ideology from a hippy jew.
Christianity?

4000 people die a day in China of smog

>>212801538
Keep living in an alternate reality lol. China air quality is improving at an insane rate, equal to the rate in which they're installing renewables and switching over to EVs.

>>212801653
>Those aren't random accidents that could have happened to anyone in any country. They are all results of blatant disregard for safety standards.

Christianity built the richest countries on earth including Taiwan
While communism built the poorest

>>212801625
you know this changoid is absolutely seething when it brings up india apropos of absolutely nothing

>>212801716
Yes anon. The Philippines and all those countries in Africa are so rich....

>>212801727
The post I responded to directly talked about India.

another propaganda push by the ccp.
i wonder what they're covering up now?

>>212801653
>Tell me when that actually happens. I wonder what the billions of newly unemployed Chinese people will do to the CCP.

Why do you think China isn't worried about their demographics going down the toilet? Worry more about the Indians in Europe when they get their job taken by A.I and robots.

>>212801716
Japan exterminated its Christian population in the 1580s. Today it's better off than every Catholic country.

>>212801795
Their horrible air quality that kills 4000 Chinese a day

>>212801795
You're extra upset this time because you got BTFO when your spamming usually just gets ignored.

>>212801538
What's wrong with Xinjiang? It's a nice place. Isrsel on the other hand is committing a genocide.
>china is worse
You obviously never went there you dumb finnoid. I have (unfortunately). You have no idea how bad India is until you go there.

>>212801653
>Tell me when that actually happens. I wonder what the billions of newly unemployed Chinese people will do to the CCP.
China simultaneously has a population crisis where there are not enough workers, and also an unemployment crisis where there are not enough jobs for people.

>>212801863
https://epic.uchicago.edu/insights/chinas-air-quality-policies-have-swiftly-reduced-pollution-improved-life-expectancy/

I wonder if you will keep spamming the same stats like you spam decades old webms

>>212801951
>>212801969
>Gets so mad he starts spamming from both IPs
Lol

>>212801564
Every year, more than 10 million people graduate from University in China, but less than 30 percent of them can find jobs. And most of those jobs pay less than the minimum wage. But that doesn't mean the Chinese government does provide any unemployment benefits to these highly educated unemployed people in China. If China wasn't a dictatorship ruled by the Single Communist Party, They would have already collapsed.

4000 dead a day from horrible air quality
horrible China

>>212795286 (OP)
What is the reason for this? Five-year plans demanding x new power plants per year?

>>212801869
CHAAAAAAAAANG

>>212801988
>If China wasn't a dictatorship ruled by the Single Communist Party, They would have already collapsed.
Based CCP

>>212801625
>we don't dump our garbage next to our cities like Indians, we take it into the (formerly) beautiful and scenic Zhangjiajie National Forest Park!

>>212801700
Again, according to whom? And why are they still building lots of coal power plants if they're switching to renewables?

>>212801714
How strange, why hasn't the government ordered an excavator to bury that train to protect face? Truly, America has so much to learn from China.

>>212802040
>we take it into the (formerly) beautiful and scenic Zhangjiajie National Forest Park!
What do you call this schizophrenia? Zhangjiajie draws millions of tourists a year. but according to you it's been turned into a landfill.
>How strange, why hasn't the government ordered an excavator to bury that train to protect face?
This is fake news from the Japanese internet btw

>>212801869
I'm surprised he doesn't get banned for spamming.

>>212802040
>Again, according to whom?

China isn't North Korea, there's plenty of independent reporters and air quality tracking data that you can find within China. All report the same data.

>And why are they still building lots of coal power plants if they're switching to renewables?

As backup plants. Same logic as gas peaker plants, but coal.

>>212802106
4chan is an American website and the hack proved the mods are all feds. They aren't gonna ban their own.

>>212802040
>And why are they still building lots of coal power plants if they're switching to renewables?
Because overall energy demand is up. Do they teach math in Finland?

Why can't China be first world?

>>212801820
Is that why they cancelled the one child policy and are promoting big families, because they don't care about the demographics? And why should I be worried more about high skilled service jobs being replaced than menial factory jobs?

>>212801912
>we not bad, Israel bad!
>we might be bad, but India worse!
LOL. Just shut up at this point. Your inept pro-China posts are smearing China instead.

>>212802204
But I thought Ukraine was first world. Slava Ukraini.

>>212800032
How much of your GDP is schizobabble.

>>212802228
>>we might be bad, but India worse!
I accept your concession. Earlier you claimed pollution is worse in China than in India (lol).

>>212802228
>Is that why they cancelled the one child policy and are promoting big families,

Backup plan in case their plans for full automation don't work out.

>And why should I be worried more about high skilled service jobs being replaced than menial factory jobs?

Both are going away fast.

China has some of the worst air quality on earth. Very sad!

>>212802324
Deepseek R1 is an open weight model you can run locally without an Internet connection. Do you know anything about computers at all?

>>212802036
Based? What's Based? If they continue to forcefully and irrationally hide, manipulate, and cover up the wrongdoings, they will eventually be like unable to avoid the harm of the tens of millions of ghost apartments and ghost cities in China. For now, the Chinese Communist Party is forcibly suppressing the anger of Chinese youth with ultranationalistic propaganda, but it will explode soon. I think Jinping will soon attempt to invade Taiwan to escape the crisis of political power.

>>212802378
>I think Jinping will soon attempt to invade Taiwan to escape the crisis of political power.
Least schizophrenic South Korean
Last spotted trying to get Yoon out of prison

>>212802102
>don't believe your eyes, believe the CCP!

>>212802129
>China
>free press
LOL, ROFL even. And China is BARELY freer than NK. Like a few point of difference.
>our green energy is so good, we're building coal plants as insurance
Makes perfect sense. If your brain is on propaganda.

>>212802186
Then why aren't they building more renewables? Is the quality of Chinese green energy tech so bad that they need to rely on coal for the future?

>>212802378
Looks to me like SK is actually worse when it comes to political crisis and having a large depression among it's youth

>>212802378
The country that murdered 65 million citizens doesn't give a shit about being evil

>>212802427
>>don't believe your eyes, believe the CCP!
Can you show me a photo of Zhangjiajie being turned into a landfill then? It's a genuinely extraordinary claim and I want to see it.
>Then why aren't they building more renewables?
They are

>>212802286
>this pathetic level of trolling
Also that chart just proves that Indians are more honest than the Chinese. India physically can't pollute more than China. It's literally impossible because of their industry size.

>>212802338
Wow, so are you actually anti-CCP? You keep saying that all their plans are bullshit that will probably fail, so they always need something to fall back on.

>>212802496
Literally just google "trash in Zhangjiajie National Forest Park". Lots of videos from different news agencies will pop up.

>>212802427
>Makes perfect sense. If your brain is on propaganda.

Looks like someone hasn't heard of gas peaker plants. Running a coal plant for a few times a year to make up for lulls in power generation is of course much better than 24/7 365 days a year.

>Then why aren't they building more renewables? Is the quality of Chinese green energy tech so bad that they need to rely on coal for the future?

But they are already building more renewables than the rest of the world combined?


>And China is BARELY freer than NK. Like a few point of difference.

Nowhere close.

>>212802629
>Literally just google "trash in Zhangjiajie National Forest Park". Lots of videos from different news agencies will pop up.
From Google Gemini
>Viral videos in May 2025 exposed decades of accumulated garbage, including domestic waste and animal waste, dumped in the karst caves after the local government banned trash burning without implementing alternative waste removal. Cleanup efforts are underway, with 51 tons of garbage already removed from two caves.
Good to see the government has already effectively responded to it.

>>212802629
>India physically can't pollute more than China. It's literally impossible because of their industry size.
This is where you are actually wrong. India pollutes more than China despite having no industry, due to having no environment standards or regulations. Delhi's air pollution is far worse than Beijing for example.

Third world country

Well the fact that China is getting people to seethe so hard proves that they're doing something right

>>212802691
>China is building more and more coal plants every year because it might need a tiny bit of energy during lulls and the thousands of already active coal plants are not enough
Is all CCP propaganda designed only to be good enough to convince retards?

Again, building renewables doesn't mean anything if you're still the world's number one polluter.

>China much better than NK: in China they only put you in death camps if you're anti-CCP, in NK, they kill you right in the street if you're against the leader!

>>212802707
>proved wrong, doesn't even apologize
If they even used a famous nature park as a dump, it means there's millions and millions of tons of garbage all over Chinese nature that will never be cleaned until someone makes the CCP lose face over it first.

>>212803191
>Again, building renewables doesn't mean anything if you're still the world's number one polluter.

>https://www.iqair.com/sg/world-most-polluted-countries

Weird, China is actually 21st on the list. Not the number one spot.

>Is all CCP propaganda designed only to be good enough to convince retards?

But you aren't convinced, so it clearly isn't working for retards

>>212802823
What difference does China having regulations make if they don't follow them because that would reduce profits? And Beijing being cleaner than Delhi (if true) only proves that CCP officials don't want to breathe the same polluted air their Chinese serfs breathe, while Indian officials poison themselves in solidarity with their people. Not that being better than India is even something you should aim for. It's being worse than them that makes it extra embarrassing for you.

>>212803451
>you don't appear to be as polluted if you tamper with all of the sensors to save face
Who could have guessed!
>clearly isn't working for retards
But YOU are convinced, so clearly it does?

>>212803477
>And Beijing being cleaner than Delhi (if true) only proves that CCP officials don't want to breathe the same polluted air their Chinese serfs breathe, while Indian officials poison themselves in solidarity with their people
This cope is so incredible you have to be Indian.
Of course, Beijing is one of the more heavily polluted cities, Shanghai and Shenzhen are much cleaner, so you aren't even close to being correct.

>>212803591
It's obvious from this thread you're the retard not him. "No U" is all you got lmfao.

It's gonna to be 2050 and China is gonna to have Mars bases and this guy will still be posting the same webms from 2005 lol.

>>212803733
>Filename
I can't imagine living life this mad and obsessed ever

>>212803609
>admits to Chinese cities being terribly polluted as some sort of "gotcha"

>>212803655
>capitulates

Why do you traitors even feel the need to defend China? You escaped that shithole to live in an infinitely better country. I bet you would cry and leave claw marks in the dirt if someone tried to repatriate you to your glorious Chinese homeland.

>>212799812
Chinese EVs are just the most advanced. They hold all keys in battery industry and own heckin germs even in IT part of cars

>>212804067
>Why do you traitors even feel the need to defend China?
Because it makes you seethe

>>212804100
The funniest part is that they stole the tech that got them started and now refuse to build factories in Europe with the same conditions as they gave Tesla and others because they're paranoid the Europeans will return the favor and steal their advances.

>>212804221
I admit, it is vexing that people that think China isn't even suitable for living in, still defend that terrible country that does its best to make the world a worse place for everyone, Chinese people included.

>>212804405
I think China has improved a lot over the years. I'm actually seriously considering moving over there if they ever make it easier to get citizenship

>now refuse to build factories in Europe with the same conditions as they gave Tesla

BYD is building factories in Europe though. It's Europe that making it difficult for them because they don't want chinese cars to take over their market.

sure stinks of gutter oil and bat soup in here

>>212804622
If you're really a citizen of Singapore, then moving to China is a retarded idea. I wouldn't even vacation there. Just visit Taiwan if you want all of the good with none of the bad.

And yes, they wanted to build something in Turkey, from what I remember, but the "difficult" part was literally just the same conditions they give anyone who want to build a factory in China (so they can have an easier time stealing IP).

>>212805148
Singapore and Taiwan is gonna get jeeted hard, already happening in fact.

>but the "difficult" part was literally just the same conditions they give anyone who want to build a factory in China (so they can have an easier time stealing IP).

Don't blame the player, blame the game. It's not like China wasn't upfront about their demands, tech transfer for market access. European countries could have refused, like China is doing right now, but they got too greedy. And stolen IP doesn't fully explain China's rise, how else did they get the best batteries in the world? They developed a lot of in house.

>>212795286 (OP)
Okay but if it's so great there then why don't you go back?

>>212805438
Because I was born in Singapore?