>>212807193 (OP)
Fined for what exactly

>>212807233
for giving water to brown people

>>212807193 (OP)
HOA are the neighborhood karens and snitches right? we don’t do that here.

gatorade would be better, unironically

>>212807193 (OP)
No.
There's basic rules in place instead like "don't turn your yard into a scrapyard" and stuff but that's about it.
I live in picrel and nobody gives a shit if you cut your lawn or have a bunch of shit there.

The concept is perfectly fine if you don't live around insane people, but we have more like a nationwide concept of permits and not being assholes so it's not really necessary.

>>212807193 (OP)
So HOAs are in areas where gubberment doesn't take care of the streets etc. so you don't have to pay as much taxes, right? But the HOA leaders are always some megalomaniacal assholes who enjoy torturing people for their own enjoyment.

>>212807272
Americans really are this racist?

>>212807450
i love you brownie :)

you can drink from my garden hose :))))))

>>212807353
Gatorade would be expensive; these people don't like to spend too much money virtue signaling.

>>212807233
he has a sign in his front yard and a cooler. trust me when I say this as an arizona boy but our hoa is literally the worst. fortunately he is taking the bastards to court so the board members can be removed. I think he will win considering it's actually a law that business are required to give out free water here, and a home owner doing it out of pure kindness will be seen as god's work by our judges. most hoa members are truly awful people.

>>212807193 (OP)
If you people don't have HOAs, how is a building where apartments are individually owned managed?

If the roof breaks, who pays for it?

>>212807502
Simply being nice to people isn't virtue signalling. Is empathy still a sin?

>>212807193 (OP)
we have like homeowner unions in apartment buildings. we elect a chairman or multiple and have meetings concerning our shared property. it's mostly for the good tho i find the dealings and meetings cumbersome so i tend to avoid them and ask for the protocol after the fact

>>212807507
>all* hoa members are truly awful people.
Fixte

>>212807450
it's Arizona. You can legally shoot a brown person over there for not saying thank you after holding a door open for them

>>212807448
>So HOAs are in areas where gubberment doesn't take care of the streets etc. so you don't have to pay as much taxes, right?
No, you don't get a tax break for being in an HOA. There are unincorporated areas (areas that are not inside a municipality so they get services directly from the county) that generally pay less taxes, but many HOAs are inside cities.

The government still provides services to HOA residents. However, HOAs have to take care of all the infrastructure within their subdivision, and maintain the streets. Sometimes the city will provide garbage collection, sometimes they make the HOA do it, it just depends. The reason we require HOAs for single family home developments, which is unusual elsewhere, is that cities know they will not receive enough in property tax from the homes to pay for providing infrastructure, so they force the developer to create an HOA to take care of it.

>>212807530
In my cunt I bought an apartment in a borettslag. The rules for what they can control over us is very small but the thing is we are the ones controlling it. I can simply vote no on things I don't like.
We pay in monthly for building maintenance, thats about it.

>>212807546
We get the protocol in our mailboxes. It's nice.

>>212807558
I sit on the board of the HOA for my 10 unit condo building. Am I now a bad person?

>>212807650
fuck off idiot

>>212807193 (OP)
What an effeminate man

>>212807193 (OP)
based
fuck communism

>>212807749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85ZF5LXI_mA

>>212807193 (OP)
No need. We have that scandi autism so things are in order anyway.

>>212807702
>In my cunt I bought an apartment in a borettslag. The rules for what they can control over us is very small but the thing is we are the ones controlling it. I can simply vote no on things I don't like.
>We pay in monthly for building maintenance, thats about it.
That seems pretty much like an HOA.
>I can simply vote no on things I don't like.
People can do the same thing for HOAs in USA.

>>212807718
>Am I now a bad person?
Yes, fuck HOAs. You're not a free country if some random faggot association will fine you for not having your own property cattered to their taste. I hope people grow corn in their front lawns and raise bats in their backyard just to spite HOAniggers.

>>212807803
My neighborhood.

>>212807813
If HOAs are controlled by petty tyrants, that's the fault of the homeowners, not the concept of an HOA.

Yes, people in appartment complexes and those sharing the same roof are legally required to set up an association which maintains the shared spaces.
These vary a lot. Most are known for being very reluctant and doing the bare minimum simply because it's legally required. Others are hell on earth where a few decidated lunatics use them to police the entire building

>>212807813
You have the choice to live in an HOA or not stupid fucking mexican. Don't like their retarded ass rules? Don't live in one. It's that simple.

>>212807532
It’s a fascinating look into the mutt mindset. No one could ever possibly do something good for someone else. There must be some ulterior motive.

>>212807809
Well I don't live around assholes so there's no problem. I would assume most HOAs in america arent too bad if their neighbours aren't being cocks. Never heard of anyone have an issue with this in my country. Would be a one in a thousand.

>>212807813
Well no one has front lawns in my building, the only lawn is a shared space so yes it would be very strange for someone to start growing corn on it.

>>212807803
>>212807828
>go to Swede's house
>get a glass of water from his tap
>he Tikkie's me $2 at the end of the day

>>212807193 (OP)
It's not very common in New England

>>212807941
yeah, HOAs are basically as good as the home owners are.

>>212807975
>Tikkie's

>>212807888
Sorry, can't hear you with that HOA cock down your throat and up your ass

>>212807975
I find it funny swedengate got all the blame when the rest of us did the same. I regularly sat in the basement playing video games while my friend ate dinner, then when it got late I went home and ate the dinner my parents made me. Once in a while we would call ahead and ask for permission to eat with the friend if both parents said it was okay, it was usually okay.

>>212807193 (OP)
What is the Libertarian stance on HOAs?

>>212808071
It should be "they should be allowed to exist and if the market doesnt want them then they wont use it" but we all know libertarians are just using it as an excuse to hide their real beliefs.

>>212808071
You could take a few arguments on this from a libertarian perspective:
1. HOAs are a private contract entered into voluntarily by private actors. Therefore, property rights are not violated.
2. The perpetuality of HOAs represents a property rights violation. Property owners should be able to secede from an HOA as long as they do not need the shared infrastructure.
3. The cities requiring an HOA to be created is a property rights violation. People should be able to build a new development without an HOA as they please

A counter argument to that last one is that they should be able to build, but the city should be able to deny services.

>>212807530
two ways of co-ownership here.
one where you own the physical apartment. once two or more units do so sharing the same buildings they are bound by one law. it for eksample state that they form a single legal entity wether they like it or not. most team up and form a board with meetings and voting over the cost of maintaining the shared structure. it cant say anything about what you do inside your walls, it can force you to pay your share of for instance a leaking roof.
the other is where you only own the right to live in the apartment. there another law apply, they can dictate some things you do within your walls, you cant rebuild for instance but they can force you to accept a planned rebuild like modernizing all bathrooms in the block. you still have a right to vote over it but lol democracy, popular vote wins. its these houses where boomers might ban ac or demand washing machines to be in the basement. luckily boomers are dying off.

>>212808071
HOAs are privatized governance. Basically a libertarian dream.

>>212808035
Glad to see it was a cultural thing and not just me being somewhat of a sperg.

>>212808221
What's wrong with washing machines

>>212808258
We didn't realize it was weird until it blew up on the internet because foreigners didn't understand how we communicate and plan ahead.

>>212808221
>one where you own the physical apartment. once two or more units do so sharing the same buildings they are bound by one law. it for eksample state that they form a single legal entity wether they like it or not. most team up and form a board with meetings and voting over the cost of maintaining the shared structure. it cant say anything about what you do inside your walls, it can force you to pay your share of for instance a leaking roof.
This is the same thing as an HOA
>the other is where you only own the right to live in the apartment. there another law apply, they can dictate some things you do within your walls, you cant rebuild for instance but they can force you to accept a planned rebuild like modernizing all bathrooms in the block. you still have a right to vote over it but lol democracy, popular vote wins. its these houses where boomers might ban ac or demand washing machines to be in the basement. luckily boomers are dying off.
This is something else. Housing co-op I guess? Not very common in USA.

>>212807193 (OP)
Not really. If you are part of a housing cooperative you obviously have to follow the rules the members decide on, other than that the municipalities have varying rules on what you're allowed to do like >>212807434

>>212808301
>This is the same thing as an HOA
Not quite, since living in the same physical structure is a requirement here.

>>212808445
I think it's more like a condo association

>>212808445
We have HOAs for apartment/condo buildings also.

You just don't have them for single family homes like we do in USA.

>>212808473
>>212808513
But those are housing cooperatives.

>>212808301
nope not even close.
its because they are apartments in the same building. someone has to own the building, that legal entity does. and its law greatly limits what they can do over the individual owners units it basicly cant do shit, its only about the shared building. hoa holds rights over detatched housing, does the hoa own their lawn? no. then how can it have any right over it? the only way a hoa could function here is detatched housing sold as the co-op thing, only legal way for them hold any right over "your" lawn because the lawn isnt yours, its theirs. such detatched housing neighbourhoods does exist here but not common. these sounds exactly like your hoa, and that further fuel what i always suspected: hoa housing owners dont own their houses, just the right to live in them.

>>212808582
We would still call this an HOA in USA.
We have HOAs that are just about maintaining a shared building and common space.
>its because they are apartments in the same building. someone has to own the building, that legal entity does
Our detached house HOAs exist because someone has to own and maintain the private streets and shared infrastructure.

>>212808710
hoa is legally closest to our co-op right-to-live thing case closed.
the city or county owns that. in the few cases they dont, sharing a water line doesnt give others the right to fine you for not moving the lawn, whatever agreement that be like can only be about the actual water line nothing else.
dude dont you have any laws that protects peoples freedom over there? is it only about having the right to screw others over?

>>212809060
For housing co-op, you own the right to live in the apartment. For our HOAs, you own the apartment itself, the HOA owns the common areas, structure and interior, but you own individually the actual unit.

As far as people in detached house subdivisions getting fined for their lawn being too long, that's HOAs taking the power that otherwise would be given to municipalities. Some get ran by busy bodies and they become extreme. .
>whatever agreement that be like can only be about the actual water line nothing else.
The water line (and other infrastructure such as streets) are the reason cities require it.
>the city or county owns that.
Cities and counties in USA don't want to own the streets of new subdivisions because they are well aware that they will not be receiving enough property taxes to make up for the expense.

>>212809060
>dude dont you have any laws that protects peoples freedom over there? is it only about having the right to screw others over?
Some states have laws limiting HOA powers. Others do not.

Federal government can't regulate things like this, its up to the state government.

Interesting HOA chat which has led me to learn a lot but what the fuck has this got to do with giving bottles of water to someone?

>>212809428
dont you have extreme property taxes?
i live rural so everything the county does is 10x more expensive, something like 50 houses here share the same well with km's of pipework. county owns it up to and including the first shutoff valve on your property. same with power, same with sewage. heck they just rolled out fiber the same way. its all ready layed out right intside my property. i have to pay for getting it inside my house.
property tax is fixed 300€/year per house and include trash as well. access roads for houses can be privately owned but if its used for public traffic, county pays for maintendance.
you guys dont know how to run a society.

>>212807304
It's a civic organization you agree to join as a condition for purchasing a house in that neighborhood. It was intended to try and preserve segregation and the consequences of the Civil Rights Act but like any organization with no accountability often its powers get abused.

>>212807193 (OP)
High rises in Manhattan have 7,000$ per month HOA fees. Lol

>>212809826
*avoid the consequences

>>212807193 (OP)
thankfully no
i heard closest thing to hoa is "unwritten rules in germany" and german snitching culture in general

>>212809769
>dont you have extreme property taxes?
That's entirely up to the state and local government. It can be as high as 2.5% in New Jersey or as low as 0.28% in Hawaii.

>>212809769
>dont you have extreme property taxes?
Depends on the city/county
>you guys dont know how to run a society.
Nah I support it. If people want to build more sprawl, they should pay for it themselves.

Otherwise the costs of suburban sprawl would wreck cities.

>>212808293
no that shit is still fucking weird
who the fuck calls their friends parents to ask if its ok to eat with them
fucking scandis i swear

>>212810057
sprawl build is paid for by the developer, no hoa strings attatched because the moment its approved and connected to the mains it becomes the citys property. what city wants to deal with several hundred hoas when it comes to maintaining a basic grid? no wonder its expensive.

>>212807888
HOAs are monopolistic because good luck getting a non-HOA house without a shitload of issues while within reasonable commuting distances of areas where all the jobs are.
They are not a "nice to have" option anymore, especially since you're not allowed to have the home, that you own mins you, to leave the HOA, which alone makes them objectively SHIT.

>>212811542
>that you own mins you
that you own mind you*

>>212810516
Its cheaper because the city just provides services to the HOA, and the HOA takes care of the rest. That's less infrastructure for the city to maintain.

>>212809826
>you agree to join
kinda like how you agree to pay taxes

>>212808156
Libertarians tried to take over a small village in New Hampshire to make their own irl Rapture where Great Men [tm] could work without parasitic untermensch clinging to their teat.
...Except the only people who showed up were basement dwellers, drug users, and convicted sex offenders. They voted to defund town services because a town works department that fixes potholes is literally marxism, and after trash collection services were discontinued, so much trash piled up that the town got overun with bears.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Grafton,_New_Hampshire#Free_Town_Project

>>212807193 (OP)
We live in total anarchy

No
we're not communists, we respect individual rights and freedoms

>>212807193 (OP)
only for shared buildings like appartments
and at most its
>dont smoke in the elevator or any other shared hallway
>no TV dishes(make it muslim proof)

>>212807193 (OP)
I find curious that USA has so many genuinely kind hearted people but at the same time some of the most despicable cunts out there. Hope dat nigga David can continue his kind work

>>212808326
>If you are part of a housing cooperative you obviously have to follow the rules the members decide on
So an HOA

Why are US HOAs batshit insane?

I live in a turd world shithole with tons of gated communities and outside of organizing trash or being too loud at night no one cares

>>212814467
>Why are US HOAs batshit insane?
Powertripping HOAs give literally whos a sense of arbitrary authority and power over others.

>>212807532
Unironically, yes. When Jesus divided the bread and fish, it was to demonstrate a greater point about the power of faith. If He wanted His followers to go around giving out food for free, He would make them capable of the same miracles. Today, we see they are not. Why? Divine mandate.

>>212807193 (OP)
i dont think so but i remember when i was a kid our lawnmower broke down and it took like a month for it to get fixed so the lawn really grew out then someone complained at a town hall meeting and they sent someone to mow it while we were out and charged my dad like 200 leafs or some shit like that without asking

>>212807532
Empathy is bad

>>212807920
That's just a general anglo mindset.

>>212809987
>closest thing to hoa is "unwritten rules in germany" and german snitching culture in general
Fuckin germans bringing that shit over here fuck em

>>212807193 (OP)
Can a house leave HOA? I never understood it. Coop is a reasonable idea but HOA makes no sense to me.

>>212814467
Give small people a modicum of power and watch their little egos explode.

>>212815513
no lmfao. HOA homes are renter's deluxe and their subordinance to HOAs is codified in city ordinance. the whole neighborhood can agree to deactivate an HOA, but all it takes is 3 houses to agree to reactivate it, and boom, now your mortgage is under threat by a bunch of narcissistic mentally ill white faggots and their pet browns.
when we tell people that the american dream is dead, we are being literal.

>>212815138
Sure but like with everything else amerigolems take it to an exreme

>>212815880
Grim. So HOA is controlled by the people who live there and they vote in every decision? Like a coop?
Or is it fucked too?
>Home owners
Lol