Thread 212811714

Is the Hanfu the worlds best traditional dress?

It's fake
t. knower

The best dress is the absence of a dress (or any other clothing)

Gonna need more examples

>>212811746
If it's fake how are they wearing it?
>>212811954
Of course

>>212811834
Same
Clothing is a insult against God

>>212811834
>>212812076
I for one like women in pretty dresses

>>212812054
Meh japanese one looks better

>>212812122
This has been fact checked as FALSE

>>212812054
the Hanfu has lost its traditions and production methods.
today's Hanfu is a replica made of synthetic fibers by analogy with old books and old paintings.

>>212812163
What about Mongolian or vietnamese traditional dress? What about the traditional dress from central asian?

>>212811714 (OP)
No, Hanfu is the worlds newest COSPLAY\LARP! Its made up!
>No, Hanfu is the worlds newest COSPLAY\LARP! Its made up!
No, Hanfu is the worlds newest COSPLAY\LARP! Its made up!
>No, Hanfu is the worlds newest COSPLAY\LARP! Its made up!

Hanfu is fake as fuck and is a recent cosplay trend.

Long story short, some Chinese were upset with the ACTUAL TRADITIONAL CHINESE clothes that was selected for world leaders wear during the APEC meeting in 2001. The clothes in question is called the "magua" and has ties to back when China was under Manchu rule and this rubbed them the wrong way since so much of Chinese clothes and culture actually comes from Manchu's (yeah, China isn't the originators they like to convince ignorant westerners of).

Thus some Chinese nationalists decided to recreate a 'modern take' on what they basically wished Chinese clothes looked like and recreated a bunch of traditions and rituals to go with it--aka, they are larping.

Basically, they are role playing a China that never existed but they wish did.

You can also blame the CCP for destroying China's history and culture during the "Cultural Revolution" for motivating these Chinese to engage in fantasy cosplay as they lost touch with their true past history and its caused a great deal of confusion in China as to what their actual history and customs are and where they come from. This is also drives many Chinese to (wrongly) claim they invented everything.

>>212812767
>Mongolian
Basically just Qing Hanfu
>vietnamese
Lame
>What about the traditional dress from central asian?
Not as cool

>>212812163
Kimonos are made of a variety of materials and weaving, tailoring, and dyeing methods that remain as traditional techniques.
The undergarments, accessory cases, sandals, and Uchikake that come with the kimono are also made using traditional techniques.
Kimono is not cosplay like today's Hanfu, but a formal dress for formal occasions for ladies, and it is also an everyday wear for old ladies.

>>212812884
There is nothing wrong with investigating the past and constructing what was done in the past. That's a completely legitimate cultural expression.
>as they lost touch with their true past history and its caused a great deal of confusion in China as to what their actual history and customs are and where they come from. This is also drives many Chinese to (wrongly) claim they invented everything.
All thirdies do this. This is like the least special thing Chinese people do

>>212813172
>others lie like dogs and claim other peoples cultures are their so why is it bad when we chinese do it?
Are you really this dense? Oh wait, you're a chang. No need to answer.

>Nothing wrong with digging up the past and bringing it to the future
Sure and thats a beautiful thing to do. Don't let culture die like (((they))) want it too. But what you don't realize is that the 'hanfu' movement is recent and its A FABRICATION of what THEY WISHED THEIR CLOTHES LOOKED LIKE. Its not authentic yet you guys run around saying 'we're the beeeeeeessssssssssssst and all of japan and korea copy us!" But you're wearing fake clothes pulling artistic influence from comics, fantasy stories, and other peoples traditional clothese. Your actual authentic clothes don't look that fancy and it was heavily influenced by the Mongols who ruled you to begin with.

Then you guys go on wikipedia, quora, etc. and call ancient chinese attire 'hanfu' like it always existed as that which is a bold faced lie. Then you take modern made clothes and then try to back date them to say, 'see, it always looked like this, I promise you! Oh, don't look at those ancient paintings, they are wrong!'

Your past is wiped out and you have no idea what really happened in your history (and I feel for you, the CCP shouldn't have wiped out your history and culture like that) but to totally pull shit out of the ass and tell it to the world like its authoritative is fucking despicable. And yet that part, that deception, is the only 'authentic chinese' thing about hanfu.

Picrel, traditional kuruminhafu clothes

>>212812886
>Qing Hanfu
Qing are Manchus who also ruled you and heavily influenced your culture. Manchus are a group of Nomads who aren't even Chinese. You guys got your culture and identify from many non chinese peoples around you who ruled you.

And lets not mention the Jurchens that also ruled you. Lets also not forget the Xinjiang people and Tibetans, and Joseonjok you guys stole as your culture.

You guys are the absolute construction of other peoples customs and cultures influencing yours mixed with theft of other countries cultures--yet you guys then go around the world telling everyone you're the epicenter of asian culture.

Fuck Off. The age of Chinese lies are going to end with the truth. You're the most heavily influenced people and culture to ever exist in the region. And you steal claims to other peoples culture on top of that. Pathetic.

>>212812884
so what you're saying is it the same shit as what europe did during the second half of 19th century?

>>212813316
>Sure and thats a beautiful thing to do. Don't let culture die like (((they))) want it too. But what you don't realize is that the 'hanfu' movement is recent and its A FABRICATION of what THEY WISHED THEIR CLOTHES LOOKED LIKE. Its not authentic yet you guys run around saying 'we're the beeeeeeessssssssssssst and all of japan and korea copy us!" But you're wearing fake clothes pulling artistic influence from comics, fantasy stories, and other peoples traditional clothese. Your actual authentic clothes don't look that fancy and it was heavily influenced by the Mongols who ruled you to begin with.
why do you write like a faggot?

>>212813459
You only see faggotry because you're a faggot.

>>212813462
I see faggotry because you're sperging over cosplay

>>212813487
No, its more like your just putting out faggotry feelers looking for fags because you're a faggot.

>>212811714 (OP)
yes
china has like 4k years of history if not more. of course over that long they have perfection it

>>212812163
That looks worse than a kimono tho but >>212812886 looks better

>>212813316
>>others lie like dogs and claim other peoples cultures are their so why is it bad when we chinese do it?
I didn't say that, I'm simply saying that lying about past achievements is something all third world countries do. I'm not Chinese either so I don't get why you are seething so hard.
>A FABRICATION of what THEY WISHED THEIR CLOTHES LOOKED LIKE
Shieeet nigga you telling me reconstruction is based on le nothing? Because you said so?
>Oh, don't look at those ancient paintings, they are wrong!'
Kind of looks like Hanfu's.

>>212813612
Winning

>>212813611
I even cited a source, ya dingus. and you can look at actual historical works to see what the clothes actually looked like, dingus.

good ol changs being changs

>>212813612
Her face at 0:3 is adorable
>>212813513
You wish, projecting homo

>>212813864
lol, delusional fantasy ruined? lol, too bad so sad faggot.

>>212813864
I'm gonna go with 6

>>212813898
Are you actually autistic or some kind of retarded boomer. When I made first comment I didn't even mean to call you a homosexual but just and overly emotional and "queer"(in the original meaning of the word) like in the expressions likd "newfag" or "fake and gay" but you take everything too seriously.
Anyway have fun fighting with ccp on Mongolian basket weaving forum I'm going to sleep.

>>212813858
>I even cited a source
No you did not, little chud. Please stop being mad and enjoy the authentic beautiful traditional dresses of the Chinese

>>212814115
see the academic article >>212812884

Changs push a fake history of their culture and accomplishments. They are rabid thieves of other peoples cultures as their own. All because the chinese have a societal norm of "be cunning to get ahead at any means" & "If you don't want me to steal it, you have to stop me".

Sad low brow underdeveloped 'culture'.

>>212814013
>When I made first comment I didn't even mean to call you a homosexual
faggot brings up faggoty then claims the other guy he called a faggot is obsessed with faggotry
you changs are pathetic.

>>212814215
Maybe your schizophrenia would be cured if you simply married a Hanfu girl?

>>212814279
>married a Hanfu girl
oh, you mean have an fake made up imaginary girl? Is that what you do? lol

>>212814279
Do Hanfu girls like schizoids?

>>212814344
>Is that what you do
That sounds very nice. I would like to infact.

>>212813517
They destroyed all of it after the communist revolution THOUGH

>>212814598
You've been reading too much Falun Gong shit my man. China hasn't destroyed its culture and history any more than America has.

As much as I am infected with yellow fever, Paithanis still mog. They are not larp and they are older

>>212811714 (OP)
the problem with hanfu is just a huge larp, not suitable for modern times, they could do a modern design of it but no, they just have to keep it as a costume because they cant design
also i did see some modern variation of chinese qipao before, not sure if the company is still alive or not

>>212814622
We had somewhat of a cultural revolution under Obama and then Biden and we've stopped revering our past. Same with China but to a greater extent.

>>212814650
Big fan of Thai sarees too

>>212814502
Yes! Try your luck out.
>>212814650
I always assumed those were super impractical to wear. Like a lite version of a Roman toga. They do look nice though

>>212814742
>also i did see some modern variation of chinese qipao before
Would like to see that

I hate looking at pretty girls because I know they will never want me

>>212815847
TRVKE

Modern ones are prettier

>>212815946
Wdym #1 and #4 look good

Getting a cute and young Chinese gf is impossible

>>212814598
all these photos posted itt are post communism, RETARD

>>212815946
2, 3 and 11 are the best looking

>>212816392
What a cute but slightly older Chinese gf?

>>212811714 (OP)
I like seeing white girls in hanfu

>>212818025
I love all girls wearing genuine Chinese dresses

>>212811714 (OP)
the ones who wear them make it the best

>>212819478
>genuine
It's a larp. Same with most european "traditional" dresses. Slavix are especially good at this.

>>212819562
I’ve been told by a Taiwanese anon they are a bit dumb but I love them nevertheless
>>212819645
If it’s a LARP why do they wear it then chud?

>>212811714 (OP)
Maybe. Maybe not. But can they do this in it.

>>212811714 (OP)
>>212812054
It's larp. They just wear the movie-prop clothes that are based on nobility fashion. And they only start wearing them in the 2010s. There was no tradition of use.
Hanfu would have been less gaudy and more practical if they were real traditional clothes and were worn continuously over the generations. For instance, Hanfu wore by Chinese are still multi-layered while Kimono became a streamlined piece.

>>212812884
Anon that's every traditional garb in the world ever.
Lmao Americans think Slovaks looked like this a 1000 years ago.

>>212819645
It's a LARP in that it's what was considered "Sunday best" 150 years ago, maybe tweaked a little bit to make it look more flashy.

I find it so funny that Chinese people miss and wear Hanfu lol Behind all the talk of “reviving tradition” is nothing but a hollow fantasy of former glory and some slick state branding. The real history was broken ages ago, rather than truly inherited, it’s just nicely rewrapped for modern taste

>>212823162
Meanwhile, Indians have continued to wear Saris since way, way back. There's no need to "revive". What other places have traditional wear as everyday wear like this?

>>212811714 (OP)
Qipao or Cheongsam clears.

>>212823900
That’s actually not quite the same. In India, even under Mughal rule, the Sari was never outright banned or replaced by a foreign-imposed dress code. By contrast, during the Qing dynasty in China, Han Chinese were forced to abandon Hanfu, adopt the pig tail hairstyle, and wear Manchu-style clothing.

It wasn’t a natural decline and It wasn’t a natural evolution of fashion. it was cultural erasure imposed by foreign conquerors.
Comparing that to India, where traditional dress continued without such eradication, really misses the historical context.

>>212811714 (OP)
why is she white

>>212824076
Na I think a flowing dress always looks better

Traditional brazilian dress

Women's clothing of aristocrats and commoners 1000 years ago

kosode worn by commoners underwent a minor transformation and became a kimono for both commoner and warrior women.

Hanfu is a total larp born out of jealous from vapid chinks who destroyed their own culture and now are seething at kimono, hanbok, ao dai, etc.

It's literally aliexpress garbage they're wearing. They don't have artisans who passed on their skills for generations making/designing """hanfu""".

>>212826550
Damn left is super layered

>>212826804
>who destroyed their own culture and now are seething at kimono, hanbok, ao dai, etc.

More like the niggas having their culture evolve so many many times that they're having a hard time trying to pin down which clothes actually represent the Chinese State and its people.

There's irony in Mainland niggers actively rejecting the Qipao/Cheongsam as some form of cultural imperialism imposed on them by the Qings when the Qings went balls deep into being assimilated to the Chinese blob and laid the blueprint of what China and its territories would eventually become.

We all love Hanfu here

>>212825505
Agree to disagree.

>>212811714 (OP)
sarang/qipao mogs

>>212830908
We're going to have to I'm afraid

>>212830908
We'll have to.

why is china the only country in history where traditional dress has made a comeback?