New 'toss.

Right side of the orange cereal box 4th panel

Stonetoss. Act like a buffoon, think like a brilliant

>>212823157 (OP)
WHERE MOGUS

>>212823157 (OP)
He's right

>>212823157 (OP)
I don't get it

>>212823157 (OP)
sussy box

>>212823157 (OP)
Can't tell if he's being serious or not
Does he realize those higher wages only apply to those working in the industry?
Everyone else gets poorer

>>212823378
What if the food production and industry is broken beyond what's beneficial for people's health?
Cheap laborers would just make it continue to malnourish people for longer.

>>212823378
>>212823157 (OP)
alt-rights don't make sense
>Hate Israel and Jews
>Love Trump and the Republicans
>Trump and the Republicans love Israel and send billions of dollars to them
Fucking hypocrites

>>212823157 (OP)
Exceptionally retarded comic but it's not surprising, it's just disappointing yet again.

>>212824060
The alt-right don't like Trump and Republicans, at least not on the Israel issue.

>>212824060
half of his posts about trump are mocking his relations with israel and poor international decisions
https://stonetoss.com/comic-tag/trump/

why do libs love poor dumb savage brown people so much and want them everywhere? The only nice parts of California are the white parts, rich or poor, and the state as a whole was so much better when it was more white. Why are lefty's so in denial of this fact?

>>212826395
>The alt-right don't like Trump and Republicans

Yea, which is why they actively shilled for the faggot in 2016 and everyone has to deal with their faggot glownigger retardation until now.

>>212828533
>blaming the Libs for wanting piss-poor brown labor
>but not the Republiniggers for not doing dick at all and still allowing them to come in

Haha, yea.

>>212823378
>Does he realize those higher wages only apply to those working in the industry?
so?

>>212828697
are you really conflating dems and reps on this issue? sure the cattle gop barely moved a finger to do anything remotely useful to the citizens but dems actively love browns and for them, the poorer and more violent the better. Libs want borders thrown open and every mongrel the world over to pour in, they actively campaign for stuff like this. Libs are fucking evil man

>>212828697
>they actively shilled for the faggot in 2016
that was almost 10 years ago and no longer relevant, yes we used to like trump, shapiro, peterson etc but not anymore, stop bringing up ancient history

>>212828845
>dems actively love browns and for them, the poorer and more violent the better. Libs want borders thrown open and every mongrel the world over to pour in, they actively campaign for stuff like this. Libs are fucking evil man

Record shows that Dems deported more shitskins than whatever Republiniggers have done so far. Shut the fuck up and do your homework shillnigger, you're dropping faster than a brick.

>>212823378
You're right. They should just let a new class of slave labourers develop so that wages stay as low as possible for everyone except the tiny minority that is in on the scam where they loot civilization for everything of value

>2025
>pebble throw

>>212823157 (OP)
>these same people have argued against minimum wage increases for decades
Ironic how racism has finally led them to the correct conclusion. Just like how antisemitism finally got them to turn against their corporate and GOP overlords.

>>212828917
a dem administration might have and who knows wtf is going on there, but to pretend that the entire public purpose of the dems is to spread brownness wherever and however they can is just delusional, it's literally THE issue they base their party on currently. I couldn't care less what a dem president does if 99% of his party does everything they can to promote brownness everywhere

>>212828697
>Yea, which is why they actively shilled for the faggot in 2016
2016 was nine (9, nueve, neun) years ago.

>>212828845
you were saying?

>why are you talking about epstein, goy, don't you know that biden used an autopen?

>>212828997
i wondered what happened to redpanels. Also fun fact: he is one of the last some 5000 or so speakers of texas german, he has a greater claim to aryanism than most amerimutts

>>212829073
>republicans want SOME brown people in so that makes them the same as libs who want ALL brown people in!!
delusional

>>212828997
You are a slav lol

>>212829140

>>212829148
literal cope

>>212823157 (OP)
he just can't miss !

>>212829148
>Some
>All

They're still letting in shitskins ( which is the main bulk of what every faggot here kvetches about ). You're really dropping faster than a brick at this point if you refuse to face the fact that Dems and Republicans often colluded with each other over this issue just so they can sit on their asses and get paid with your taxes.

>>212829936
Bro 14 million shitskins entered the US in biden 4 years.
>nooo saaar the democrats are the real racists
Is this real? They were literally calling ICE gestapo and calling for Riots against ICE a month ago

>>212823317
Immigration only serves to lower wages so the rich can grow their profit margin

>>212830084
>rollback of the federal contractor wage rule
>1938 exemption allowing employers to pay as little as 25c/hr to disabled workers, kept
>idiotic tariffs eating into workers real income
>no federal minimum wage hike since 2009, despite massive increase in living costs
>rollback of safety-net programmes like SNAP and medicaid
...
>umm its diego lowering your wages, pooroid!

>>212823378
NOOO NOT THE OVERPAID HRKEKS

>>212830297
Not an argument incel
Explain how immigration raises wages for the average american or you're just reddit posting

>>212830297
Migrants exploit the welfare system and safety-net and migrants are imported to depress wages and vote for democrats duh
>minimum wage
If you raise the minimum wage there will be just more incentive to import illegal workers
And when they try ti prosecute them they are met with democrat "no human is illegal" and "ice is da gestapoooo" moaning.

>>212824060
>>212828697
So what would Hillary, Biden, etc have done to stop sending money to Israel in your uneducated, subhuman opinions?

>>212830084
This too, I genuinely don't get why you faggots don't actually go after the ones that bankroll the Dems every campaign season in return for pushing the policies they want but are happily content with blaming Dems for everything going wrong with the US.

It's almost as if every other faggot in this site is just a larpfagging nigger who's too chickenshit or lazy to actually do something lol.

>>212830297
>>212830381
45/50 states have their own minimum wage. "Federal minimum wage" is nothing but a brown foreigner talking point

>>212823378
He's completely ignoring the Epstein and trump rape unlike most of our media.

>>212830485
>Epstein case started 2 presidencies ago
>only because an urgent matter once Trump ends multiple wars and disarms Iran

>>212830297
The price of owning libtards

>>212830446
It's still a retarded talking point because the point is that there is less avaliable jobs willing to employ you for a minimum wage when there is 6 beaners living in a rented apartment (inflating housing prices btw) willing to do it for half of it.


So your living conditions worsen, housing prices rise, grocery prices also rise because there is higher demand of groceries cause duh, more people means more demand, and the capital is more dispersed.
Instead of having fewer workers with high wages and low prices you have many workers with high prices and low wages.

So based! At least exporters can make themselves richer by overproducing cheap and invading foreign markets (america has no labour shortage btw, you produce more than you consume, everythng extra is exported)

>>212830084
>Immigration only serves to lower wages

This is just a myopic view.
99% of everything you buy depends on cheap labor.
Without that cheap labor it won't be affordable.
First world living standards depend on the existence of a third world with third world living standards.

>but, but we are going to move all the jobs back home
You don't have a labor force big enough for that, to name but one reason why you cannot do that.

>>212830544
How many wars has drumpf ended?

>>212830612
>Without that cheap labor it won't be affordable.
Because they will have to pay citizens more to produce it? hmmmm its almost like we've come full circle

>>212830616
India/Pakistan war, Palestine/Israel war, Israel/Iran war

>>212830646
Citizens don't want to move to move to some flyover state in bumfuck nowhere and work for peanuts doing hard labor

>>212830646
B-but the jewish billlionaires will lose revenue...

>>212830705
So you mean they would have to raise the wage they pay their workers to incentive them to relocate?

>>212830705
>Citizens don't want to move to move to some flyover state in bumfuck nowhere and work for peanuts doing hard labor
Because the wage is low and cant afford them a livelihood.
A livelihood cant be afforded with a low wage to start with because certain static types of capital (property for example) are inflated as result of migration

>>212830741
They can't raise wages high enough

>>212830786
But you are saying that without the foreign workers everyone will starve.
Why wont starving people take those high wages and jobs?

>>212830786
People are willing to relocate to oil wells in the middle of the ocean doing some of the toughest and riskiest jobs there are. You're retarded and deluded if you don't think there's a price you could pay to get people to pick fruit, something that is objectively easier and less demanding than the majority of trade jobs are.
And I think that wage is a lot lower than you think it is

>>212823378
wtf chuds don't even know their own ideology

>repubs will raise wages if brownoids are removed
florida immediately tried to legalise more child labor and failed. then the trump exemption came

>>212830863
>more money circulates to blue collars
>people can consume more products made by small business (which are more expensive) therefore reactivating local economies
>uhhh this is bad because

I swear redditors cant even understand a basic economic cycle
>>212830893
You will raise wages and thats it.
If there is a labour shortage they will have to find a way across it.
>child labour
Too based to be true.
That would make having children economically viable again and cause a baby boom

>what is supply vs demand

Yea. I guess Argentineans really are the masters of economics

gd why are libs soo disingenuous
>more browns are good for the economy!
the countries they come from are shitholes because they're full of browns and browns will work for pennies
>b-but they do jobs no one else will do!
whites will do it if it pays well
>b-but those jobs will never pay as much as whites want!
they will if the business owner has no choice of millions of browns
>y-you're just racist!!
yep

>>212823378
There's also no reason to assume that deporting mexicans who do farming jobs for pennies will drive up wages, american's don't want field labor jobs and companies aren't going to suddenly offer a living wage for it, they'll offer minimum wage, no one will take the jobs, they'll raise it to a dollar or two above minimum wage, no one will take the job still, then they'll just start importing from other countries because that will become cheaper than paying someone what it would take to get them working in the fields like a slave, american's necessarily rely on an undocumented slave class whether in our own country or another to keep prices down

>>212831056
If you were able to use that vwry basic principle you would understand why having a large supply of labour means wages go down.
I know for a retarded chink pajeet is too hard too rub two braincells but make an effort with that tiny shitskin brain of yours

>>212831092
>they will if the business owner has no choice of millions of browns
trump immediately caved and allowed illegal browns to stay though >>212829073

>>212831092
>whites will do it if it pays well
>rightoids literally do not understand profit margins
Lol so much for the pro capitalism party

>>212831098
woww imagine if we stopped all immigration of any kind haha wouldn't that be crazy then the business would have no choice but to pay actual citizens a good wage

the american strawmen of "leftists" who advocate for undocumented slave labour to keep costs down is exceptionally retarded

>>212831149
>this policy doesnt work!
>okay maybe it does but WHAT IF HE DIDNT DO IT!
So you admit the problem with trump is that he is not going far enough.
>>212831159
American agricultural sector is the real victim here, how dare you wontnlet them pimp the country to make themselves cheaper?

>>212831171
>stop all immigration
>offer minimum wage for slave labor jobs
>no one takes them
>food gets imported instead
>stop all imports
>wages don't go up because food is a necessity and americans end up working slave labor jobs while prices still go up
Every single person who spouts the higher wages line doesn't understand profit margins and would not be willing to work in the fields themselves you would cry the moment you couldn't spend all day shitposting here

>>212831174
Ironically you have created your own straw man
Bleeding-heart liberals who advocate for illegal migration and lax borders don't acknowledge/recognize that wages are pushed down by it they only think about muh heckin migranterinos and their tacos o algo

>>212831174
Literally this whole thread is leftists advocating for slave labour to keep wages down

>>212831098
>hey'll just start importing from other countries because that will become cheaper than paying someone
Yes they will just spontaneously find a way to import 80% of America's food demand (3rd largest country on the planet btw) out of nowhere.

>>212831171
The point the maltese was making was that a lot of businesses are simply not profitable to run if you were to pay people high or even normal wages.

>>212831235
>So you admit the problem with trump is that he is not going far enough.
no I want native american labourers protected AND an honest approach to wage depression and predatory business practises. you use race as a wedge issue to protect the interests of the wealthy

>>212831130
>Niggertinean calling someone brown

When all else fails, resort to calling them a slur I suppose.

>>212831174
There's humour in your average financially illiterate 4chan poster thinking that everything will blow over if businesses were forced to hire actual Americans, all while pretending that the ones who actually create the jobs and have enough of a sway in their cunt's economy would not throw a massive bitchfit over not making as much and try to game the system to get their way again.

>>212831256
>>offer minimum wage for slave labor jobs
>>no one takes them
Thats the point king
They will be forced the salaries. Crazy.
But your assumption relies on them keeping minimum wages despite making their production fall therefore making them lose the domestic market
>>food gets imported instead
There is tariffs in food and producers dont like losing their consumer markets

They cant withold their own markets being invaded bt brazil kmao

>>212831265
>Bleeding-heart liberals who advocate for illegal migration and lax borders don't acknowledge/recognize that wages are pushed down by it
exactly, they don't recognize that it has an effect on wages at all, therefore the comic is attacking a strawman

Argentinian economics everybody

>>212831380
>force the salaries to go up
>everything else goes up as well ( because it turns out that everyone wants to make a profit )
>rinse, lather and repeat until it turns into a balloon that's ready to burst.

Argentina numero uno economia experto o algo

>>212830084
which makes goods cheaper

>>212831380
>They will be forced the salaries
disgusting socialism!

>>212831361
Beyond the posturing (we know each other why are you doing this bit lmao) wage depression is explicitly caused because there is avaliable cheap labour.
If there is less labour, there is more demand than supply, therefore the supply increases price.
Is that simple.
>>212831373
I called you a slur just next to my argument.
You dont adress arguments and instead make passive-agressive pesky comments with zero substance because you know you are a economically iliterate gookjeet trying to run cover for a shitty cheap labour policy that has only increased american income inequity over the last 30 years

>>212831455
Weird how food prices have been skyrocketing for the last 5 years and at the same time the food industry has been hitting consistently record profits despite uncontrolled immigration for the greater portion of the last 5 years

>>212831446
>everything else goes up as well ( because it turns out that everyone wants to make a profit )
Everything else (meaning groceries) but you are forgetting the very basic fact that a population decrease also comes from a decrease in demand both for housing and essentials.
Which has a... you name it! A DEFLATIONARY EFFECT WOOOAHHHH

>>212831505
economists on both sides of the spectrum argue it has small or neutral effects and its sector dependent. they argue that
>globalisation and offshoring
>weaker unions and no collective bargaining
>technological change and automation
>corporate monopsony
>misclassification of workers ("contractors") or gig economies
are all worse. illegals dont work in every conceivable sector because thats absurd

>>212831505
Almost all your arguments have been resolved and answered by anons in this thread, but you keep on repeating the same arguments like a broken record all over again and expecting everyone to just roll over and let you get a free win.

>muh zero substance argument
Let's not pretend that everything you've been saying has any substance to begin with. I know Latrinos are bad at arguing and like pulling asspulls that they learn from their fellow retards on Tele, but somehow you managed to lower the bar.

>>212829148
ach nein die stinkkatze ist kaputt

>>212831747
Not a single argument i made was responded with anything other than the reddit tourists and other paid shills pulling some pesky passive agressive comment and avoiding the substance of the argument


You wont adress the fact that importing labour supresses wages and makes the cost of living higher because it inflates a real state bubble that for obvious reasons, inflates the cost of living.


If american buying power increases due to a wage increase, and there is a re-valuation of that dollar in regards to its capacity to buy real state, then the only losers of this equation are exporters which are likely losing foreign markets
Which in effect would only be a problem if you opened your markets to foreign agricultural exports
Hence, tariffs supress that.
And a strong border is needed anyway to regulate trade.

Anyway you are either a SEAmonkey or a indian
Doesnt 80% of your race live in literal mudhuts? Lol

>>212831955
>You wont adress the fact that importing labour supresses wages and makes the cost of living higher because it inflates a real state bubble that for obvious reasons, inflates the cost of living.

I actually do. But the alternative that's offered by every faggot here (including you) won't work in the long run and will just be gamed again, and eventually we'll return back to the status quo and you'd be back here repeating whatever bullshit slop that's being pumped through here or wherever the fuck you spend your time on.

You're dropping faster than a fucking brick, boy. But that's expected of your kind.

>>212830806
No more will be imported and American Farmers go broke
>>212830834
Margins in agriculture aren't high enough. You can't compare the oil industry to the agricultural industry.
The latter is seasonal work and requires less skill. The former is a bullion dollar industry.
Imagine how expensive fruit and vegetable would have be to justify moving thousands of city slickers to rural Oklahoma

>>212828997
This, Stonetoss is a Nazi

>>212830544
No trump brought it up over a decade and recently
Do you want video of him over 12 years calling for it.
He clearly was raping kids

>>212832373
>American Farmers go broke
Sensible German knows what is up. They will have to sell to oligarchs. Bill Gates has already been buying land for decades now. I'm betting they will use slave labor for it. Burgers will not see a dime.

For foreigners
Right now in America about 80% are sure trump is a pedophile

>>212832266
>. But the alternative that's offered by every faggot here (including you) won't work in the long run and will just be gamed again,
So the argument is "dont do things because the other party will just make sure to set it back"
You dont -actually- have a plan other than keeping the clearly failed cheap labour model
>>212832373
>No more will be imported
You mean
"No, more will be imported"
Or "No more will be imported (outside?)"?
In either case you can supress the competitiveness of imports via tariffs and use part of the tariff revenue to subsidize local productions.
European farmers are a good example of how you destroyed that industry via overregulation and now you are giving it thenlast blow with the Mercosur trade agreement.

>>212832828
Lmfao fuckinh retard american (and most really) agricultural producers throw away hundreds of thousands of tonnes of edibles yearly because they overproduce, and overproduction leads to loss and surplus.
American agricultural sector is heavily industrialized.
Not the poor farming oligarchy!!!

>nearly started another 2 decades long sandnigger war in the middle east
>sends 50 trillion billion to pissrael like a good goy
>deletes all of epsteins files to cover his ass
>promised peace in shitkraine and mongolistan in 24 hours, chose to double down and escalate it even further
>chimps out on other countries with ChatGPT tarrifs crashing the economy
>times his announcements in a way his donor friends can make tons of money
>literally ran a meme coin dump scam to launder money
>backed off on 90% of his promises, claims he is doing great

I hope the two deported spics and 50 dead trannies was worth it

>>212833106
If the alternative is easy and feasible as what you've said, why haven't they done it yet?

Use your latrino brain and your decade's worth of knowledge from what passes as education in your shithole this time.

>>212833487
Because america is a oligarchy?
Just to be clear btw, arround 30-40% of the american food produce is wasted.
Arround 30 Million tonnes of agricultural edibles are left to rot in america every year to keep the supply lower and thus not have loss as result of overproduction

America does not has a labour shortage nor its short of agricultural produce.
It literally just has a leech class of oligarchs sucking the country dry and collaborating with migrants for it.

why are argentinians so economically illiterate when they literally lived through it?

The funny thing about globalist jew media is that the rest of the world thinks we're suffering right now when the past 6 months have been a crazy relief in all ways for the average American

my gas is cheaper, my roads are emptier and safer, my groceries/bills and airplane tickets are cheaper, I even rode a 50% empty plane for the first time in 5 years a couple weeks ago. I'm finally getting recruiter emails and cold calls again for the first time in like 3 years (tech industry).

meanwhile some insane leftist cat woman thinks the world is ending because violent retards and hordes of scab workers are getting sent back home. Crazy shit

>212833289
worst bait I've ever seen

>>212823378
you mean the banking and media industry?

>>212823157 (OP)
I don't understand if this is criticizing Trump or what.
I would happily pay higher prices for groceries and other things if it meant they were produced domestically and by Americans getting decent wages.

>Niggertinean finally uses his brain and sees the answer to it all

Thank God.

>>212833561
The ethnoreligious identity of this oligarchy?

>>212833710
Nouveau riche WASPs and some minority Jews.

At the end of the day, the enemy of the white man is his fellow white man.

>>212833673

The thing they don't tell you is that the price raise wouldn't match the income raise ratio. They're hiding and hoarding a lot of profit at the top in most enterprises. That's why despite tariffs kicking in all over the place right now prices have barely budged, they always had more margin to work with they were just taking as much as they could.

We know full well a fast food joint could bump people up from $10/hr. to $16/hr., hire slightly better people, not miss a beat in terms of profit.

>>212833746

WASPs are older money than Jews in America. They basically ride entirely off of legacy now. The current wave of nouveau riche are Asian tech elites imo, the Jewish dynasty is starting to rot.

>>212823157 (OP)

>>212833848

>>212833673
no you would not
people say this shit but they would always pick the cheapest option between A and B. and that's perfectly rational because they would be lowering their own living standards for no reason otherwise.

>>212833710
Your agricultural oligarchy is fairly white isnt it?
>>212833746
Half of the american oligarchy are jews. Not a bit of them.
Especially american media, banking, finance, tech, academia and virtually every other relevant business is heavily influenced by a lobby of jews.

Thats the upside of having no working class i guess.
Jews are just PMCs and priests. no jews plowing the fields.
Maybe thats the only model that survives in capitalism.
Landless and with no proles to babysit

>>212833885

>>212830612
>This is just a myopic view.
that's right, they also lower living conditions so that there's less social trust, and create divisiveness, anger and frustration which you inevitably vent on the niggers themselves instead of the jews at the top. and you can't complain about it because it's racist
immigrants in my country benefit from legal loopholes so they can literally get away with fraud. they also get that's how they manage to shit 6 children each. a citizen doing the same would go to jail. of course the gubba also gives niggers free funds which citizens do not get. citizens only get taxed to death
but Europeans are so fucking cucked it's all hopeless. they'll only wake up when niggers hit critical mass and start killing whites in the streets

>>212833925

>>212833811
Honest to God, I don't get why 4channers kvetch and whine about how they're being stomped on by "Da Oligarches" and the brown horde they bring in. If the whole problem relies on the idea that you're not making as much, why not just game the system, start your own system and profit off their backs.

Aren't 4chan posters white anyways? It should be easy for them to wrap their heads around.

>>212833886

This is a fallacy. I can't be assed to check the exact source of manufacturing for every product I use, some of them even hide it in creative ways, even if I want to support American. But I know if the system supports American it's working me towards that direction naturally.

>>212833886
This.
Revealed preferences versus stated preferences, basically the oldest concept in economy
Never trust what people say they will do, watch what they do instead and act accordingly

>>212833957

>>212833964
No most of the users are brown. There are very very few white people left.

>>212833964
*start your own business

>>212833964

Because I'm a white man with natural morals and an intuitive understanding of what's healthy for the larger social/national system, and you're not. Lol.

Greedy cancerous short sighted shit like that hurts us in the long run. If I thought like that I would just rob or burglarize someone.

>>212833995
It's like the Epstein files but not involving trump raping children. Neat!

>>212833942
I feel like libtards would rather be groomed by negroes in the school into becoming some sort of sissy over growong a pair and admiting their shitty ideology is a contracting and dying mess that failed blatantly

But hey, when blank slate liberalism loses legitimacy and people realizes other races act as collectives, you gotta make it about class. (The other races still cooperate across class)

>>212833964
>why you complaining bro just start your own business

>>212834023

This isn't a fake dynamic either. If you look at the American industrialists and magnates of the early 20th century they're VERY different compared to our current breed. They routinely supported the nation and the common worker even as they built enterprises and reaped great rewards. Henry Ford famously championed the idea of a worker-consumer-citizen who could simultaneously earn and spend a lot. JP Morgan used his own money to bail out the fed, finance electrical grid construction in cities. Carnegie started foundations and schools.

Our modern leaders are short sighted kikes who don't have this gene. They merely want to scrape any money possible and leave the country to die. Cancer

>>212833964
Because if you start your own business but -they- own the media they can literally bankrupt you by saying your products have maggots, to make it extremely brief.

Qnd to own the media right now you need an audience, logistics, and a way to reach them that cannot be obstructed

>>212834093
>>212834023
>>212833964

There's a name for this too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking

very brown coded, and no surprise Jews and Indians are all over it

>>212834093
henry ford 'supported' workers because they would buy henry ford's shit, my man

>>212834093
Most if it has to with what businesses they come from
Tech freaks are always gonna be exceptionally egoistic and selfish

>>212834052
Alright you need to erase everything you think about Americans liberals

We are the ones calling for the Epstein files, stopping aid to Israel, and wiping out anything where the government gets involved in religion or race

The people telling you the opposite about us
Are trying to keep the files hidden
Want aid to Israel
Want a cultural war

They assume extremist sjw scum is us.

>>212834001
>No most of the users are brown

Like you? I guess it is.

>>212834023
>Muh Morals

That's a really nice cope. But I guess you have to come up with something to excuse your poorfaggotry.

>>212834121
So larp and be a part of "they."
Unless this "they" is just another pathetic cope from you, which in this case, yea. It's expected.

>>212834163
Nigga who cares about Epstein libtards supported anti-ice mejican riots geg

>>212834226
Yeah. Just duh. Do you think I am An American

>>212834258
No we fucking care about people raping kids and it being covered up. Call us liberals crazy.
You don't care because you seem to have mental issues.
People shouldn't be raping kids.

>>212834147

Exactly, you fucking retard. This is why it's a good thing to support a healthy larger system. You understand 2nd and 3rd order effects. If you have a weak and poor middle class your consumption and innovation in this bloc halts and grinds to a stop. Everything corrupts. Ford saw the larger system, as did other American businessmen, and pursued a strong nation first. This is why we became what we did.

>>212834226

I promise I'm richer than you faggoti. Don't you have some tarantula soup to be making for dinner?

>>212834226
>So larp and be a part of "they."
You cant larp and become a jew, they have been doing this for millenia, their social system is tailored to be resilent, they only hire and do things that retain capital wuthin the community.
That way they keep themselves alive.

You actually first need an audience, then you need to make sure you have a way to reach them, then you can commodify something to create a currency backed into something that cant be blown by speculation-trolling.
You would need something to commodify and a cult like audience.
I actually plan to make my own cult after im done wih college.
But yeah. Until then? Just whining here

>>212834394
You just want from trying dissuade me from bringing up Jewish pedophile ring and then rant about Jews
Are you high

>>212834364
>I promise I'm richer than you faggoti
While posting from a small apartment where 50% of your wage goes? Yea.

>Don't you have some tarantula soup to be making for dinner?
Shit's more nutritious than whatever slop that passes as food there.

>NO NO I'M ACTUALLY RICH REEEEE

Same fucking energy as a lower middle class nigger going to Africa and thinking he's on the same level as a Rockefeller LOL.

>>212834394
>yap yap yap

Niggaz be copin for being a fuck-ass weak poorfag. Sad!

>>212834449
8/10 major liberal donors are jewish lmao

Also epstein was also friends with clinton.
Both american parties are jewed so idk why are you trying tonplay a different image.
Like, lil bro, bernie is a communist jew

>>212826395
Buddy if they vote for Trump then they support whatever policy he takes.

>>212834364
>This is why it's a good thing to support a healthy larger system.
This is happening because you keep electing people who want to lower corporate taxes and are adamantly against any government investment, even though governments and infrastructure are required things to do business.

>>212834509
Because people shouldn't rape kids.
Are you high. It's a simple thought devoid ff politics. When you can get them you go after them. You can't point to the past and said well so and so did this SO PEOPLE CAN RAPE KIDS NOW.

>>212834163
>We are the ones
but you don't do anything. you just gobble corpo cock. it doesn't matter what you say on twitter because the people who use you can just ignore your tantrums.you can't even stop harry potter sales lol
then they just show you some niggers and rainbows and you clap in 62 genders

>>212833561
Argie, you don't know about farming. A lot of things in farming aren't automated yet. If oligarchs could just automate everything, they would.
And even if we were to assume they would automate after the immigrants left, then the jobs wouldn't come back to Americans. It's like Americans thinking that if the factories in China were to re-open in the US, everything would be automated and they would be paid six-figures salaries to press a button. The reality that LLM models are showing is that people would just be fired.

And once again, if automation is not possible, they will use the prison complex for much cheaper labor. It's obvious capitalism.

>>212834628

Socialists are utterly mindbroken. No you fucking moron, "growing government" doesn't help business, it strangles it. Guess who the "biggest government" states are in our country? Guess who can't build a fucking strip of train tracks after 10 years and $100 billion?

Robbing the working people, robbing businesses, squatting on the cash and patting yourself on the back is ENTIRELY why your stupid fucking country is broken and why parts of ours is as well. We need a massive reduction in government size and scope and the return of resources/freedom to the people.

>>212834690
>Let me tell you about your ideology with my bullshitbhead canon

Not one of you can justify letting anyone get away with raping kids. Not Clinton, not trump no one.
Fucking asshats thinking this is a football game where kid rapists like trump are allowed to be president and fuck Clinton too

>>212834719
>Argie, you don't know about farming
Half of my family are landownerd with farms. They grow cash crops tough (soy)
Im fairly familiar with "throwing away food so there is less avaliable, inflating the prices so the costs even out"

America has no shortage of labour, america has a large agricultural sector that supresses wages and cheapens costs by heavy migration and heavy strain on the housing markets.
Which in turn deepens the buying power gap and concentrates capital on the oligarchy
If americans had higher wages, and those wages were able to buy housing, which in turn would lower costs of living? American buying power would increase, which in turn would create more incentive for industries to move to american markets.

The thing here is a stagnant economic model that is just consolidated that way to keep the capital concentrated in a small minority that has been voraciously centralizing the markets for decades.
American buying power is fundamentally reliant on the fact that they have a lot of dollars and those dollars allow them to buy things like real state in america. Which is the basis of lofe and business there.
Making it about the most valuable assets avaliable

>>212834806
why do you assume if I talk shit on american liberals I am pro trump or something? I think all burgers are equally fucking retarded, domesticated and powerless. what makes you worse is that some of you are higher IQ and better educated and willingly choose to spread this cancer for clout and profit

>>212834649
I mean yes but i liked somewhat discussing economics
What are we suppssed to discuss about epstein?
Graphic scenes of child rape?
He was an iseaeli blackmail operative controlling and having deep ties with figures like the prince of the UK and american politicians
I think thats the one key point to have in mind really.
Everything else is gossip

>>212834093
>Henry Ford famously championed the idea of a worker-consumer-citizen who could simultaneously earn and spend a lot.
Ironically, this is exactly what Lula has been saying here and everybody seethes and calls him a commie.

>>212835104
>soy
A lot of other crops have to be hand-picked. A lot of Argentinians come here to pick grapes, for example.

>American buying power would increase, which in turn would create more incentive for industries to move to american markets.
Yes. And that is against the interest of oligarchs.

>>212834797
you seem to be under the misconception that corporations are supposed to help you, when they're in fact supposed to allocate resources effectively with the ultimate goal of enriching themselves.
the government is supposed to help you. if you think people are falling behind for whatever reason, that probably means the government needs more money, not less. taxes are an effective way to distribute wealth, not well paying jobs at wallmart.

>>212834394
>I actually plan to make my own cult after im done wih college.
>But yeah. Until then
Most delusional clitty award just dropped.

one of the major reasons why ancient rome never industrialised is because they relied on slave labour

>>212835553
Argieschizo is precious, isn't he?

>>212835413

>supposed to

They're a business. Businesses are everything. Businesses do everything. We're all employed by a business, or have a business, that's how an economy works. You play these gay little word games, pretend like something "should" do something or "deserve", no, businesses just ARE. The fundamental building block of an economy.

The government simply TAKES. It doesn't create. It takes from the worker, and it takes from the business that employs and pays the worker. It isn't my fucking friend. I will pay more to the government over the course of my life than all businesses combined. You fell for the biggest Jewish trick of all. It's a mafia like entity that operates off of extortion, coercion, and grift.

>>212835340
>A lot of other crops have to be hand-picked. A lot of Argentinians come here to pick grapes, for example.
Yes, but the point is, the problem is not a shortage. Is that they arent willing to increase wages.
You can press them to do that by making it impossibke for them to access this whole cheap labour
>>212835413
A system purpose is what it does.
The government is not supposed to help you (and dont read this as a capitalism apologetics, its not) the government is meant to govern, and for that it might use any possible method to persist over time.
Democracies decay into authoritarian surveillance because those systems are mire likely to remain over time than open systems.
Things reproduce themselves, and make other things that assist them in that reproduction of themselves.
>>212835553
I'm a very charming person irl.
If you knew...

i like this argentinian poster
he always wipes the floor with everyone in these threads, he seems to know his stuff

>>212835674
Sadly most of blue /pol/ is just racebait and bot posting these days, i used to come here for discussion since red /pol/ is unusable and too high traffick.

>>212835643
>Businesses are everything.
I'm not some anticapitalist, you don't have to explain to me that businesses are everywhere. But it's also an undeniable fact that businesses need a government to operate. They need roads, electricity and a legal system just like you do, these are not problems that can be solved by the private sector. The private sector is also too risk-averse or ineffective when it comes to competing with a government. see: china. If you dismantle your government, you will become an ass-backwards feudal society and fall behind everyone else. Most billionaires actually understand this.
>>212835674
first member of his cult

>>212835860

Not everywhere, EVERYTHING. You don't have an economy without a business. It's like saying a word doesn't need letters. A government is built on top of the natural formation that is businesses and workers. This attempt to pit us against the entities that literally employ and pay us is retarded kike commie shit.

When you cry about "businesses not being taxed" you're ignoring the fact that it comes out of your paycheck and into a government bureaucrat's pocket. We ARE business.

>>212835860
>first member of his cult
i've never seen anyone actually disprove any of his points in these threads
people often resort to name-calling before that

>>212835662
Hey dumbass do you not realize that here in the US 75% of the crop land is used to grow corn, soy, and hay, all of which require small work forces. This means the remaing 25% is fruits, vegetables, nuts etc, mostly owned by small family farms in the middle of some dying county that require good amount of workers, whether illegal or legal.
Saying illegal farm workers bog down wages in the agro sector is laughable since the vast majority of small farms in the US don't even break even every year.
Or do you think Farmer Bob likes having to go through the process of hiring H-2A visa workers and dealing with all the paperwork work and regulations to get those people on his farm, because like you stated, this country is full of US citizens willing to move to some small town to work for 10 hours since thats all Farmer Bob can afford to pay without going bankrupt

>>212835948
>When you cry about "businesses not being taxed" you're ignoring the fact that it comes out of your paycheck and into a government bureaucrat's pocket.
When you ask walmart to employ cletus instead of juan, it's also coming out of your pocket, except cletus won't be spending it on schools or roads. So why would i want to give the money to cletus instead of the government?

>>212823157 (OP)
Why would there be higher wages? This fucking idiot writes the dumbest takes in these comics

>>212836291

Juan won't either, and he'll send 50% of it back home in remittances while avoiding most taxes.

By employing Cletus

>he doesn't have to go on welfare and be a drain
>he can contribute
>he can earn and pay taxes and be enfranchised

Stop being small minded and see the bigger picture. You need your people employed.

>>212836137
Everyone did. He's just schizoing out now because no one's giving him the w

>>212836393
>Juan won't either, and he'll send 50% of it back home in remittances while avoiding most taxes.
But you'll be paying him less.
>>he doesn't have to go on welfare and be a drain
Cletus can go to school and learn to not be a drain, both are welfare programs, except he's actually learning something to improve his material conditions in one case, in the other he's a wagie working menial labor.

holy shit this thread

white countries should not let in ANY browns, it's that simple. why do you people want to let browns in so bad? not a SINGLE white country should let in ANY browns from anywhere, it's that simple

>>212836279
Arround 28% of Big Ag. workers are undocumented, arround 30% for mid sized farming business, at any rate the labour demand is hardly more than 1 to 4 million seasonal workers.
A thing a 300M country can easily provide.
If these small scale, local farms which often sell overprized produce were paying higher wages there would be a larger consumer market for their products which are expensive.

Secondly, part of why they cant break even is because the market is highly competitive.
Which is incidentially because the market is open.
If you close trade *namely tariffing importers* the competition would lower, and, by consequence, making their own production more viable, if your concern is that of small farmowners you can just subsidize them with the tariff revenue and/or derregulating.
If property prices fall as result of a lower agrocultural activity and a lower housing demand anyway, you would see a bubble crash among speculators and a lot of trusties buying farmland, likely leading to the rise of new producers of the sorts.
Turns out that when you let people actually own things many will actually just do things

Which is quite hard when property is trapped in a ever growing bubble constantly inflated by ever increasing migration, regulation and taxation punishing small property owners and favouring large industrial scale corporate landowners and making it only profitable to sell and a constant redistribuion of these assets into essential consumption markets via welfare, (which levels buying power down, which reduces investment capacity)

>>212836867
>just lower competition bro
>pay more for everything, that will solve the problem
no thanks.

>>212835662
>Is that they arent willing to increase wages
Exactly. Consider the following: if the American oligarchy had any interest in raising the wages, they would have. Middle class farmers are already going under because they can't afford higher wages, so they will go broke. Also, white people can't work under the sun for hours. And it's white farmers saying it: https://youtu.be/yxrg27J5NM8?si=7w1y-NPRIwyRY3iK&t=253
So these white middle class farmers will go broke due to a shortage of willing workers, billionaires will buy the land and either strike a deal with the prison complex for slave labor and/or automate everything, whichever yields the better cost/benefit. What you will not see is a thriving middle class of farm workers.

Imagine thinking there will ever be a class of rich peasants!

And if you need proof that they would rather use slave labor than pay proper wages, they used slave firefighters in LA earlier this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LzipRhzK1c

>>212834797
You say that, but pic related is proving otherwise. If the US is broken, the problem is with the execution, not the idea. Also, how do you expect businesses to grow if there is no infrastructure? Things have to be moved around, you know.

Oh! And another point is that Trump's tariffs on China lowered exports to China, who is now buying soy from Brazil (thank you, Trump!). Trump is indirectly harming farmers as well.
>US farmers were “still reeling” from Trump’s first trade war and “certainly not thrilled about an extended” second one, Kentucky soyabean farmer Caleb Ragland, a three-time Trump voter, said last week.
https://www.afr.com/world/south-america/trump-s-trade-war-a-boon-for-brazil-but-has-us-farmers-reeling-20250414-p5lrir

>>212838417

Pic related immediately shot up in production and prosperity the moment they abandoned strict communism and liberalized their underlying economy. It contradicts your fundamental premise that growth stems from the top down. If they liberalized further they would grow even more. You can't be serious lmao

>>212838874
Their companies are filled to the brim with government subsidies. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. It's the same with EMBRAER here in Brazil, where the government invested in it for years before it started to turn a profit. Speaking of which, isn't Musk rich as fuck because of government money?

Also, China has massive railroad and cargo ship production. Do you think these things just spawn by random companies? The companies move in to the contries that have good infrastructure because it's cheaper to produce there. Which is why, despite being cheaper than China, India doesn't get the same amount of corporations chasing after it.

>>212823378
those in "the industry" can purchase more from other people, making other people richer. checkmate.

stronetoss is brown no matter how much it upsets him to look in the mirror

>>212840300
he speaks texas german, there's less than 5k left, he may be one of a handful of speakers his age left

>>212823378
HOLY FUCKING STREETSHITTING
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

>>212830385
Both would have still sent money to Israel but at least democrat voters wouldn't have their heads so far up their own asses to think the president is still against the deep state like they've been saying since 2016, more so with the recent Epstein list proving otherwise.

>>212831380
>They will be forced the salaries.
with what money?

>>212839567
Why dont we just print money and give them that then? Then they can go spend it at other stores, win-win

>>212833588
Our retarded president has been slowly pissing off Drumpt for the past year, and when Drumpt finally turned his sights on us to fuck us back, our coward president put his tail between his legs and is treating the orange man all nice now.

>>212828997
Whiter than you Pajeet

>>212830084
It's not immigration though that lowers it, is it? It's racism. It's legally marginalising the working class. For example, wages (direct and indirect) in the usa dropped in the 80s not because General Motors and US Steel started hiring undocumented migrants, they dropped because the usa establishment busted the unions and shipped production overseas to switch to a financial model of profiting. "Wages dropping" really means purchase power parity dropping, so toubhave to take in consideration real incomes and prices rising.

>>212835239
>He was an iseaeli blackmail operative
source?

>>212843089

>>212823157 (OP)
Fat, brown hands drew this comic.

>>212843224
so why ehud barek was introduced to him AFTER he was PM if he was an israeli agent? and why would he discuss openly about a supposed agent? and why would he literally meet him in his apartment in new tork? is he trying to entrap himself? lmao retard
Also epstein literally met with american presidents long before he met ehud barak

>>212843711
>and why would he literally meet him in his apartment in new tork? is he trying to entrap himself?
I dunno you should ask him

>>212823157 (OP)
>higher minimum wage is bad doe

>>212844390
bibi was already smearing him for that years ago btw

>>212830485
if that's where the party's at, then go watch the mainsteam media, and talk on mainstream platforms.

>>212831315
If you can't run a business without violating the law, your business deserves to fail. Either that or, and here's a radical idea, maybe taxes are just too high.

>>212823157 (OP)
I don't work in the fields though so why would I care?

>>212846528
>but how does it affect you personally?

>>212834797
>remove a district from rhode island

HUH? IT ONLY HAS 2

>>212846568
Doesn't really affect many people at all. Vast majority don't work the fucking fields. We use prison labor even in places there's not illegals.
Besides Trump isn't going after farm labor.

>>212846633
You're so retarded it's not even worth elaborating.

>>212846675
>I hate what you said, but have no argument for it.
Face it, not using prison and illegals to work the fields will increase the cost of living for the majority of us. You don't have to think it's right, or good, but it's the truth.

>>212823157 (OP)
Even Stonetoss has become shit now, it's really over

>if we kick da beaners out corpos will pay us more
are all right wingers this delusional or just the twitter ones like pebblethrow

>>212828951
>scam where they loot civilization for everything of value
Like Canada did? Clearly nothing of value was created, it's a zero sum game

>>212847049
this is unironically what happens if the supply of labor goes down. you just have to actually be part of that labor source

>>212847215
>expecting corpos to take this one lying down

Corpos will just move their operations somewhere that's cheap or game the system to bring back their steady stream pet slaves.

>>212847049
Rightwingers/autists aren't really well known for their mental capacity t b h.